Here's my list for the doctor
wilson
out for ADHD, AS, learning disabilities, whatever.
This is the first real psychiatric appt. I've had; previous were these
fifteen minute meetings just to see if I should be medicated or not
(ergh).
In order to facilitate matters, I have made a list of things so that I
can stay focused when I am in the office. I have had a great
difficulty with therapy or shrink appointments in the past as I tend
to get nervous, sit there and go "huh?".
This is something I could either give the doctor, read to him, or
else, I could use it as a list of things to remember to tell him.
If anyone could let me know if this is a good idea, a bad idea, or if
there is something else I should say - please let me know.
Here goes.
~
* I had great social difficulty ("not fitting in") up until my teens.
I have gradually learned to "fit in" more and more over the years. I
can "fit in" now but it takes a lot of conscious effort.
* I am very lazy and unmotivated to do anything most of the time.
* I was being treated for social anxiety; I have great anxiety about
"screwing up" because of my childhood of being an outcast.
* I frequently "blank out" when trying to talk.
* I have a lot of 叢hobia' type issues which interfere with my day to
day functioning. At thirty years old, if I see a bee anywhere near me
I will typically startle and start screaming and running. I have been
known to suddenly panic and jump out of a doctor's chair. I know that
other thirty year olds do not do this, but I cannot help it.
I also panic sometimes and cancel events at the last minute or cancel
plans.
* I have trouble motivating myself to get up or leave the house in the
morning.
* I find myself memorizing what I am going to say, or practicing the
conversation, for hours, by myself, before I meet with somebody.
* I never know in advance if I'll be in the mood for social company;
it feels like a lot of work. I very, very often cancel social
engagements at the last minute.
* I find myself "checking out" in social situations where more than
one person is involved. People tell me that I act immature in groups.
* I am constantly told that I have said things that I intellectually
know I should not have said.
* I feel frequently that I have no control over how I act, or what I
say.
Many of my "seeming weird" is because I can't stop doing nervous
mannerisms; e.g. fidgeting, scratching, moving about. I cannot stop
even if I know I should.
* I am satisfied with my social life, but tend to have difficulty with
social relationships in "institutional" contexts. For example, as a
child, I made friends when school was out, but was ostracized in
school. As a teenager, I started making a lot of friends for the first
time when I dropped out of school. I alienate people I work with or am
in school with.
* Have difficulty on the job the moment the "novelty" wears off.
* It's difficult for me to sit for eight hours and do a job, but I can
sit and do my interests for eight hours.
* I am fixated on my personal interests to the extent that it strongly
impairs my functioning; I do my interests (constructing a detailed
sci-fi universe, since age 14) and can't pull away. I neglect
housecleaning, my partner, and other responsibilities.
* I have very few interests and the few I have are so strong that they
impair my ability to concentrate on anything else; my interest
(presently, my science fiction writing) tends to interfere with any
ability to do a job. It also interferes with school. I can't do
anything else *but* my interests. However I enjoy my interests a great
deal. A previous professional suggested 双bsessive compulsive
personality disorder' and OCD has come up as an 訴dea' at various
points in my earlier life, but I do not experience stress from my
obsessive interests. I enjoy them. They give me great pleasure,
sometimes more than "creature" interests like food or sex. I can sit
all day focused on my work and not eat at all. If I am really focused,
I can stay awake for twenty four hours. I am hypoglycemic/pre-diabetic
but I do not experience 鼠ow blood sugar' when I'm in an obsessive
mode.
* Everything else goes to hell. I can't keep the house clean. I am a
slob. I have trouble paying bills.
* I become totally absorbed in something for a while. The moment my
attention shifts, I literally lose my skills and have to start over. I
studied graphic design for a few years and suddenly I find I have
"lost my skills". I have forgotten how to do jobs I was employed at
the moment things hit a "slow patch" or after a vacation. If I am not
wholly involved in something then I am not involved in it at all.
* I go through long periods of time having little to no interest in
sex. My interests are often more interesting to me.
* I have been in my "line of work" for eight years and am still "entry
level"; all movement has been lateral (into other entry-level
positions in related tasks/fields) instead of vertical. I am always
struggling to break into something. I am only interested as long as I
am in "learning mode". I seem to only last at a job long enough to
learn how to do the job. Then, predictably, my obsessive interests
start intruding.
* I am either "no attention whatsoever" or I am "total tunnel vision".
* When concentrating, I often startle *very* badly if somebody tries
to get my attention.
* I cannot change my attention once I am attendant on something.
* I cannot control my reactions at times and end up behaving very
innappropriately - e.g. freaking out in public sometimes when I'm
overloaded.
* I get overloaded easily. I know that others do not get overloaded or
overstimulated as easily as I do.
* Frequently on the job, if my boss tries to talk to me while I'm on
the computer, I won't hear him. It's like I'm deaf.
* It is difficult to impossible for me to hold a conversation while
somebody in the other room is talking.
* I t is impossible for me to hold a conversation while a TV or radio
is playing.
* It took me a long time to learn how to drive. Even now, I cannot
drive if somebody is talking in the car. I am still very terrified of
driving alone, however.
* I never learned to ride a bicycle.
* I feel stressed out when I am in a room of people who are having
different conversations. Being in a room where people are listening to
a lecture or otherwise behaving in an organized fashion, is less
stressful, but it is still stressful. I start feeling panicky when I
am in a room full of people and they are talking to each other.
* I have a great deal of trouble being motivated. I will know I should
do something but can't get myself to do it. Making agendas just means
I have piles of agendas, or I end up perseverating on the listmaking
itself. I cannot force myself to do anything, even get out of bed,
sometimes, even if it's something I want to do.
* I often feel very perfectionist and feel I must do something
perfectly or I may as well not do it. I have dropped out of many
classes because of a perception that I was not going to be an A
student.
* I have a long history of starting off things on a high note (an A
student; a worker with perfect attendance; etc) then suddenly showing
a rapid decline after about three weeks.
* I frequently let friendships lapse during times in my life when I am
working or in school, because I feel very overwhelmed by social
obligations.
* I was being treated for agoraphobia for a while. I have trouble
motivating myself to leave the house when I do not have a strict place
I have to be at a specific time. I also find many public places very
overwhelming.
* I have trouble taking an interest for very long in anything aside
from my "topic". I must filter other stimuli through my "topic" in
order to retain any kind of information; when taking an anthropology
class, I was able to remember terminology because I would apply it to
my "topic".
* I have trouble with imaginative work outside of my own "topic". I
had a great deal of trouble working as a graphic designer; I would
spend hours perseverating on looking at other peoples' designs trying
to get ideas. I devoted a lot of time to keeping a clipping book of
others' designs and became fixated on this itself, but could not do my
own design. I could only work as a production artist and invariably
floundered when I was given more responsibility.
* I have a lot of nervous habits (rocking, fidgeting, biting my
nails). I can't control them.
* I have trichotillomania. I have never been treated for this. I was
very embarrassed about it in my teen years, and couldn't admit that I
had the problem. I often have a problem with pulling my hair out. I
pull it out and then spend hours plucking hairs that seem irregular. I
bite the ends off, especially if I find a "crunchy one". I am not able
to stop once I start. It is very time consuming. I wore a wig all
through my teen years as I had plucked myself bald. Now I have greater
control, but I still pull out bald spots from time to time on my head,
and I spend a great deal of time plucking out my body hair. I often
spend hours engrossed in this. I find that if I am totally honest
about the problem with people, it is somewhat easier for me to control
the urge.
* I have had trouble obtaining low-skilled part-time type work because
of greater emphasis on social conformity and a "friendly appearance".
I cannot even fake being that kind of person. People say I am "dry" or
act like a robot. On the job, people complained that I acted rude when
I thought I was not being rude, and they complained that I spoke with
a 素lat voice'.
* I frequently feel like I am in a "fog".
* I have a long history of clumsiness. I was in Adaptive PE all of my
school life due to motor coordination issues. It is difficult for me
to hand-write.
* I have a great deal of trouble making myself understood at times, I
can see the concept in my mind but cannot bring it down beyond the
level of abstraction. It is like trying to translate a wholly alien
language into English. Frequently I get angry when I am trying to
communicate but I cannot bring the thing out of my mind into an
English sentence. It is easier for me to write than to talk.
* When I am asked to explain how I do something, I must write it in
numerical order and recount it from the beginning. I can't orally
explain it. This poses a great deal of difficulty for me on the job; I
could only succeed at jobs where communication was restricted to
emailed reports.
* I frequently cannot think up the words for objects.
* Even when I could *do* the job and it could hold my attention,
something else always went wrong. There was always *something* to
screw up.
* I have been fired the most quickly from the jobs I enjoyed the most;
I was told that I behaved in an immature, hyper and overenthusiastic
fashion.
* I require constant praise and supervision on the job in order to
stay motivated.
* I have become so terrified of 壮crewing up' with people I work with,
that I become totally silent. People get upset at me if I talk about
my special interests, so I do not talk at all if I can help it.
* I have had a difficult time with social boundaries on the job; I
find myself getting "too personal" and only realizing after the fact
that I should never have said the things I have said. I will be told
疎fter the fact' that I have said something I would never
intentionally say. It is like I am not aware of what I say.
* I can't work without heavy, clearly delineated supervision and a
step-by-step task list. I have great difficulty making task lists
myself. I can't work from my home because it is too distracting.
* I have found it impossible to both work and be in school at the same
time even if I am only doing both part-time. It's as if anything I do
requires a lot of concentration.
* I have found it difficult to go to school full-time.
* I live in a perpetual state of chaos. I have a great deal of
difficulty sticking to schedules that other people have not imposed
upon me.
* I experience communication difficulties in my relationship. He tells
me that I do not listen very well. I often do not remember things he
has told me. He finds it very difficult to get or keep my attention.
* I have a very great difficulty paying attention during a
conversation.
* I have one or two very close friends, who live a great distance from
me. I also have a husband. I don't feel I need much more social
contact.
* I prefer to relate to people over a computer than in real life as I
can control the amount of stimulation I get. I can also control what I
say so that I do not say something bad.
* I have a low social threshold and feel overwhelmed by "too many
people" being in my life at one time.
* I find myself panicking badly at times when I am around more than
one person at a time.
* I have great difficulty getting to sleep. I find myself staying up
late at night consumed with projects. I cannot stop my mind.
* I find that I do not like being around people who do not share my
interests which encompass a fairly narrow band.
* I do best in work where most of my communications are through email
and there is little 祖hummy' social environment. I have had great
difficulty maintaining the credentials and skills to obtain this kind
of work [e.g., computer work]
* I have low self esteem.
* People at work/school often find me distracting.
* I very frequently 壮hut down' in conversations and lose my ability
to speak. I forget words. This causes me to appear incompetent or
nervous on the job.
Childhood:
* My mother says that I was a somewhat late talker, but that this runs
in the family so is normal for our family.
* Pre-school teacher thought I seemed 双dd' and that my mother should
get me 鼠ooked at'.
* I had engrossing obsessive interests as a child. I did not learn how
to read until age 6, when a teacher realized I was obsessed with cats,
so started teaching me from books about cats.
* I read texts at an adult level as a child, but could not understand
novels. I did not have an interest in fictional work at all until I
was a teenager. I enjoy novels now, but have to read them about three
or four times to understand everything.
* I liked mostly talking to adults about my interests (usually science
topics).
* I liked making up stories and making up games more than playing in
other kids' games.
* I could never figure out the rules to games.
* I spent my entire childhood with various professionals trying to
label me and figure out what was wrong.
* I would seem 創ormal' frequently as long as I wasn't in school. I
made friends outside of a school setting. They would have nothing to
do with me at school, however.
* I often had temper tantrums, any little thing could make me cry.
* I would cry whenever I was at birthday parties.
* Some of my interests were precocious or strange; I was interested in
Chinese philosophy when I was 12. I did not like being around other
children because they didn't share my interests, and I didn't like
playing their games.
* I was moved from school to school. I did not fit in at any school
setting I was in.
* I began failing all of my classes at age 12. I couldn't keep up in
school after about two weeks. I would feel overwhelmed.
* I took a college class in my special interest of the time (geology)
and got a B in it, while I was failing all the other classes.
* I would do well in a subject when privately tutored or learning on
my own, but couldn't function in the school setting.
* I was consumed with morbid feelings until I was out of school.
Became preoccupied with death.
* As a little girl, a teacher remarked that I had an extremely
negative personality.
* I dropped out of school at 15 and the morbid feelings ceased.
* It always felt like I was a 組enius' under some contexts but a
complete moron in others, and this always frustrated me.
Previous diagnoses, suspected diagnoses, etc:
* Suspected of ADHD several times but never tested for it.
* Teacher asked mother to have me checked for epilepsy when I was 9.
* Other teachers brought up the possibility of autism.
* Previous doctor brought up "social anxiety disorder" and also
"obsessive compulsive personality disorder".
* Took Trazodone for one month, while in the care of Dr. Phil Hom
(Contra Costa Mental Health). This was the only time I had a
consistent and normal sleeping pattern.
* I was considered 組ifted' but also recognized as 鼠earning disabled'
as a child.
* An acquaintance was recently diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. She
loaned me the book "Asperger's Syndrome: A Guide for the Parent and
Professional". I do not know if I meet those criteria now, but I am
sure that AS would've been one of the labels to be slapped upon me if
the label had existed in my childhood. I also recognize a lot of ADHD
type things. I am not qualified to make this kind of judgment upon
myself, however.
Since I am not trying to get on disability and there probably is no
drug I could take to change things which are intrinsic to my lifelong
nature, I am not trying to get a "label".
The only reason such would be helpful is that it would help me avail
myself of resources available to the learning disabled, which I feel I
require in order to academically succeed.
What I am interested in, is insight and growing as a person. I want to
find "where I fit" in the world. I would like to have a better idea of
what my strengths and weaknesses are and stop trying to fit myself, a
"square peg", into the round holes of the world. I know that I have
weaknesses that other people don't have, but I also know that I have
talents that other people don't have. I would like to identify these
talents, and also identify some kind of work that I could succeed in,
and learn how to compensate for the troubles that I have in school. I
would like to have better communication with my husband. I want to be
a better, more fulfilled person than I am. I want to be 壮uccessful'
in some means. If it becomes determined that medication could help me
in some contexts however I would be willing to try it.
~
/end
Thoughts, anyone?
Philip W Lee at hyphen dot dot
perfect time to write:
<snip life history>
>
>Thoughts, anyone?
That looks pretty much like my experience (even down to the geology
<g>)
I was diagnosed AS last year, at the age of 41, and after about 2
years of personal research into it.
It looks to me like a "textbook" case of Asperger Syndrome.
I also have 2 sons with AS (aged 6 & 5) as well as a daughter (3) who
is apparently "normal" (whatever that is), so we live in a complete
and permanent state of chaos.
--
Note: remove "spamspoiler" from return address.
ares
places where you repeated almost the same thing and it might be more
organized to read if you can hone it down or edit it a bit. Like the writing
jumps around a lot so maybe you can organize to group similar thoughts
together. This might not be relevant but all this time I thought you were a
guy and figured it out that you weren't. (It's easier to picture a 30 year
old female running around screaming after seeing a bee).
Even though, the list is a good idea. You sound like to me like you have a
major case of ADD and suppposedly they can hyperfocus too which sounds like
what you do. Was wondering even if you could be bipolar. Sounds like a
tough one to figure out; I'm really interested in what they will figure out
for you.
ares
"wilson" <awil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b393f088.04082...@posting.google.com...
> Going in for my first psychiatric appt. in two weeks to get checked
> out for ADHD, AS, learning disabilities, whatever.
>
> This is the first real psychiatric appt. I've had; previous were these
> fifteen minute meetings just to see if I should be medicated or not
> (ergh).
>
> In order to facilitate matters, I have made a list of things so that I
> can stay focused when I am in the office. I have had a great
> difficulty with therapy or shrink appointments in the past as I tend
> to get nervous, sit there and go "huh?".
>
> This is something I could either give the doctor, read to him, or
> else, I could use it as a list of things to remember to tell him.
>
> If anyone could let me know if this is a good idea, a bad idea, or if
> there is something else I should say - please let me know.
>
> Here goes.
> ~
>
> * I had great social difficulty ("not fitting in") up until my teens.
> I have gradually learned to "fit in" more and more over the years. I
> can "fit in" now but it takes a lot of conscious effort.
>
> * I am very lazy and unmotivated to do anything most of the time.
>
> * I was being treated for social anxiety; I have great anxiety about
> "screwing up" because of my childhood of being an outcast.
>
> * I frequently "blank out" when trying to talk.
>
> * I have a lot of 'phobia' type issues which interfere with my day to
> deal. A previous professional suggested 'obsessive compulsive
> personality disorder' and OCD has come up as an 'idea' at various
> points in my earlier life, but I do not experience stress from my
> obsessive interests. I enjoy them. They give me great pleasure,
> sometimes more than "creature" interests like food or sex. I can sit
> all day focused on my work and not eat at all. If I am really focused,
> I can stay awake for twenty four hours. I am hypoglycemic/pre-diabetic
> but I do not experience 'low blood sugar' when I'm in an obsessive
> a 'flat voice'.
>
> * I frequently feel like I am in a "fog".
>
> * I have a long history of clumsiness. I was in Adaptive PE all of my
> school life due to motor coordination issues. It is difficult for me
> to hand-write.
>
> * I have a great deal of trouble making myself understood at times, I
> can see the concept in my mind but cannot bring it down beyond the
> level of abstraction. It is like trying to translate a wholly alien
> language into English. Frequently I get angry when I am trying to
> communicate but I cannot bring the thing out of my mind into an
> English sentence. It is easier for me to write than to talk.
>
> * When I am asked to explain how I do something, I must write it in
> numerical order and recount it from the beginning. I can't orally
> explain it. This poses a great deal of difficulty for me on the job; I
> could only succeed at jobs where communication was restricted to
> emailed reports.
>
> * I frequently cannot think up the words for objects.
>
> * Even when I could *do* the job and it could hold my attention,
> something else always went wrong. There was always *something* to
> screw up.
>
> * I have been fired the most quickly from the jobs I enjoyed the most;
> I was told that I behaved in an immature, hyper and overenthusiastic
> fashion.
>
> * I require constant praise and supervision on the job in order to
> stay motivated.
>
> * I have become so terrified of 'screwing up' with people I work with,
> that I become totally silent. People get upset at me if I talk about
> my special interests, so I do not talk at all if I can help it.
>
> * I have had a difficult time with social boundaries on the job; I
> find myself getting "too personal" and only realizing after the fact
> that I should never have said the things I have said. I will be told
> 'after the fact' that I have said something I would never
> and there is little 'chummy' social environment. I have had great
> difficulty maintaining the credentials and skills to obtain this kind
> of work [e.g., computer work]
>
> * I have low self esteem.
>
> * People at work/school often find me distracting.
>
> * I very frequently 'shut down' in conversations and lose my ability
> to speak. I forget words. This causes me to appear incompetent or
> nervous on the job.
>
> Childhood:
>
> * My mother says that I was a somewhat late talker, but that this runs
> in the family so is normal for our family.
>
> * Pre-school teacher thought I seemed 'odd' and that my mother should
> get me 'looked at'.
>
> * I had engrossing obsessive interests as a child. I did not learn how
> to read until age 6, when a teacher realized I was obsessed with cats,
> so started teaching me from books about cats.
>
> * I read texts at an adult level as a child, but could not understand
> novels. I did not have an interest in fictional work at all until I
> was a teenager. I enjoy novels now, but have to read them about three
> or four times to understand everything.
>
> * I liked mostly talking to adults about my interests (usually science
> topics).
>
> * I liked making up stories and making up games more than playing in
> other kids' games.
>
> * I could never figure out the rules to games.
>
> * I spent my entire childhood with various professionals trying to
> label me and figure out what was wrong.
>
> * I would seem 'normal' frequently as long as I wasn't in school. I
> made friends outside of a school setting. They would have nothing to
> do with me at school, however.
>
> * I often had temper tantrums, any little thing could make me cry.
>
> * I would cry whenever I was at birthday parties.
>
> * Some of my interests were precocious or strange; I was interested in
> Chinese philosophy when I was 12. I did not like being around other
> children because they didn't share my interests, and I didn't like
> playing their games.
>
> * I was moved from school to school. I did not fit in at any school
> setting I was in.
>
> * I began failing all of my classes at age 12. I couldn't keep up in
> school after about two weeks. I would feel overwhelmed.
>
> * I took a college class in my special interest of the time (geology)
> and got a B in it, while I was failing all the other classes.
>
> * I would do well in a subject when privately tutored or learning on
> my own, but couldn't function in the school setting.
>
> * I was consumed with morbid feelings until I was out of school.
> Became preoccupied with death.
>
> * As a little girl, a teacher remarked that I had an extremely
> negative personality.
>
> * I dropped out of school at 15 and the morbid feelings ceased.
>
> * It always felt like I was a 'genius' under some contexts but a
> complete moron in others, and this always frustrated me.
>
> Previous diagnoses, suspected diagnoses, etc:
>
> * Suspected of ADHD several times but never tested for it.
> * Teacher asked mother to have me checked for epilepsy when I was 9.
> * Other teachers brought up the possibility of autism.
> * Previous doctor brought up "social anxiety disorder" and also
> "obsessive compulsive personality disorder".
> * Took Trazodone for one month, while in the care of Dr. Phil Hom
> (Contra Costa Mental Health). This was the only time I had a
> consistent and normal sleeping pattern.
> * I was considered 'gifted' but also recognized as 'learning disabled'
> as a child.
> * An acquaintance was recently diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. She
> loaned me the book "Asperger's Syndrome: A Guide for the Parent and
> Professional". I do not know if I meet those criteria now, but I am
> sure that AS would've been one of the labels to be slapped upon me if
> the label had existed in my childhood. I also recognize a lot of ADHD
> type things. I am not qualified to make this kind of judgment upon
> myself, however.
>
> Since I am not trying to get on disability and there probably is no
> drug I could take to change things which are intrinsic to my lifelong
> nature, I am not trying to get a "label".
>
> The only reason such would be helpful is that it would help me avail
> myself of resources available to the learning disabled, which I feel I
> require in order to academically succeed.
>
> What I am interested in, is insight and growing as a person. I want to
> find "where I fit" in the world. I would like to have a better idea of
> what my strengths and weaknesses are and stop trying to fit myself, a
> "square peg", into the round holes of the world. I know that I have
> weaknesses that other people don't have, but I also know that I have
> talents that other people don't have. I would like to identify these
> talents, and also identify some kind of work that I could succeed in,
> and learn how to compensate for the troubles that I have in school. I
> would like to have better communication with my husband. I want to be
> a better, more fulfilled person than I am. I want to be 'successful'
Dolphinius
> * I have a lot of ?phobia' type issues which interfere with my day to
> day functioning. At thirty years old, if I see a bee anywhere near me
> I will typically startle and start screaming and running.
I love bees (even more than dolphins! :-)). Why are you scared of
bees? Bees have absolutely no interest in humans and hardly ever sting
unless you trap them (e.g. step on them or pick one up) or they think
you're a threat to their hive. The fact you have seen the bee means
you won't do that. (And you'd notice a hive!) You can safely stand by
flowers watching bees while they work gathering nectar.
(I suppose the bees in your area might be different to the bees in
mine but I doubt it. However, in all cases as far as I am aware bees
die if they sting so they only sting as a last resort.)
Wasps are more of an irritation because they are interested in humans.
However, they don't seem to sting unless they feel threatened. If one
lands on you, just very gently move your hand in its direction (like a
cow gently swings its tail) and it will fly off. If it lands nearby,
place a cup over it, gently slide a piece of paper under the cup, and
keep it there for 5 minutes. Then let it out of a window. It will be
so glad to get out of the dark cup that it will usually fly away. (If
you try to let it out earlier then it often flies straight back in.)
I have often wondered why a single wasp often hovers round food and
just seems to admire it rather than land and take some. Then the other
day I worked it out: I think that wasps are programmed not to land on
the food unless there are other wasps hovering around. This may be a
safety thing (it's safer to land if there are other wasps protecting
the area) or more likely it may be a communication thing (if a wasp
sees another wasp hovering it suggests food).
> * It's difficult for me to sit for eight hours and do a job, but I can
> sit and do my interests for eight hours.
That's interesting. On days when I'm really into a project at work I
can sometimes work almost 12 hours continuously. But I suppose I'm
lucky to have a job which does interest me most of the time (it
includes a lot of analysis).
> * I am fixated on my personal interests to the extent that it strongly
> impairs my functioning; I do my interests (constructing a detailed
> sci-fi universe, since age 14)
That (the universe) sounds great!
> and can't pull away. I neglect
> housecleaning, my partner, and other responsibilities.
(Luckily I'm an ISTJ so I naturally put my duties before play :-))
> * I go through long periods of time having little to no interest in
> sex. My interests are often more interesting to me.
How does your husband handle that?
> * I have one or two very close friends, who live a great distance from
> me. I also have a husband. I don't feel I need much more social
> contact.
I'd love that (substitute husband <-> wife :-)). That would suit me
fine too. (At the moment I have less than that but I wouldn't want
much more.)
> Thoughts, anyone?
It was an impressively long list. :-)
I related to an awful lot you wrote and restrained myself from writing
comments of agreement.
I think you are clearly autistic.
Dolphinius
(Male, early thirties, UK, self-diagnosed AS)
The autist formerly known as
that is a characther flaw and a cue for some one to say you need to buck up
your ideas. Heck I had enough of being told I was lazy, almost ended up
believing it, but lazy I am not, just have an EF problem.
Phobias won't get you an AS dx either they are overlay issues not core ones.
I think you will get more like a social phobia dx or anxiety with that like
John and end up with anti anxyolytics.
You need to create a picture of how you are and were relating a clear
developmental history between the two, you need to show how the core
features of an autistic condition may be producing the surface observations.
Because most pdocs are not experienced or tuned into looking for that.
Really you need to say, look I think I have AS check it out and get them to
go through a menu with you of traits.
--
şT
L'autisme c'est moi
"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"
"wilson" <awil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Going in for my first psychiatric appt. in two weeks to get checked
> out for ADHD, AS, learning disabilities, whatever.
>
> This is the first real psychiatric appt. I've had; previous were these
> fifteen minute meetings just to see if I should be medicated or not
> (ergh).
>
> In order to facilitate matters, I have made a list of things so that I
> can stay focused when I am in the office. I have had a great
> difficulty with therapy or shrink appointments in the past as I tend
> to get nervous, sit there and go "huh?".
>
> This is something I could either give the doctor, read to him, or
> else, I could use it as a list of things to remember to tell him.
>
> If anyone could let me know if this is a good idea, a bad idea, or if
> there is something else I should say - please let me know.
>
> Here goes.
> ~
>
> * I had great social difficulty ("not fitting in") up until my teens.
> I have gradually learned to "fit in" more and more over the years. I
> can "fit in" now but it takes a lot of conscious effort.
>
> * I am very lazy and unmotivated to do anything most of the time.
>
> * I was being treated for social anxiety; I have great anxiety about
> "screwing up" because of my childhood of being an outcast.
>
> * I frequently "blank out" when trying to talk.
>
> * I have a lot of 'phobia' type issues which interfere with my day to
> deal. A previous professional suggested 'obsessive compulsive
> personality disorder' and OCD has come up as an 'idea' at various
> points in my earlier life, but I do not experience stress from my
> obsessive interests. I enjoy them. They give me great pleasure,
> sometimes more than "creature" interests like food or sex. I can sit
> all day focused on my work and not eat at all. If I am really focused,
> I can stay awake for twenty four hours. I am hypoglycemic/pre-diabetic
> but I do not experience 'low blood sugar' when I'm in an obsessive
> a 'flat voice'.
>
> * I frequently feel like I am in a "fog".
>
> * I have a long history of clumsiness. I was in Adaptive PE all of my
> school life due to motor coordination issues. It is difficult for me
> to hand-write.
>
> * I have a great deal of trouble making myself understood at times, I
> can see the concept in my mind but cannot bring it down beyond the
> level of abstraction. It is like trying to translate a wholly alien
> language into English. Frequently I get angry when I am trying to
> communicate but I cannot bring the thing out of my mind into an
> English sentence. It is easier for me to write than to talk.
>
> * When I am asked to explain how I do something, I must write it in
> numerical order and recount it from the beginning .Ican'torally
> explain it. This poses a great deal of difficulty for me on the job; I
> could only succeed at jobs where communication was restricted to
> emailed reports.
>
> * I frequently cannot think up the words for objects.
>
> * Even when I could *do* the job and it could hold my attention,
> something else always went wrong. There was always *something* to
> screw up.
>
> * I have been fired the most quickly from the jobs I enjoyed the most;
> I was told that I behaved in an immature, hyper and overenthusiastic
> fashion.
>
> * I require constant praise and supervision on the job in order to
> stay motivated.
>
> * I have become so terrified of 'screwing up' with people I work with,
> that I become totally silent. People get upset at me if I talk about
> my special interests, so I do not talk at all if I can help it.
>
> * I have had a difficult time with social boundaries on the job; I
> find myself getting "too personal" and only realizing after the fact
> that I should never have said the things I have said. I will be told
> 'after the fact' that I have said something I would never
> and there is little 'chummy' social environment. I have had great
> difficulty maintaining the credentials and skills to obtain this kind
> of work [e.g., computer work]
>
> * I have low self esteem.
>
> * People at work/school often find me distracting.
>
> * I very frequently 'shut down' in conversations and lose my ability
> to speak. I forget words. This causes me to appear incompetent or
> nervous on the job.
>
> Childhood:
>
> * My mother says that I was a somewhat late talker, but that this runs
> in the family so is normal for our family.
>
> * Pre-school teacher thought I seemed 'odd' and that my mother should
> get me 'looked at'.
>
> * I had engrossing obsessive interests as a child. I did not learn how
> to read until age 6, when a teacher realized I was obsessed with cats,
> so started teaching me from books about cats.
>
> * I read texts at an adult level as a child, but could not understand
> novels. I did not have an interest in fictional work at all until I
> was a teenager. I enjoy novels now, but have to read them about three
> or four times to understand everything.
>
> * I liked mostly talking to adults about my interests (usually science
> topics).
>
> * I liked making up stories and making up games more than playing in
> other kids' games.
>
> * I could never figure out the rules to games.
>
> * I spent my entire childhood with various professionals trying to
> label me and figure out what was wrong.
>
> * I would seem 'normal' frequently as long as I wasn't in school. I
> made friends outside of a school setting. They would have nothing to
> do with me at school, however.
>
> * I often had temper tantrums, any little thing could make me cry.
>
> * I would cry whenever I was at birthday parties.
>
> * Some of my interests were precocious or strange; I was interested in
> Chinese philosophy when I was 12. I did not like being around other
> children because they didn't share my interests, and I didn't like
> playing their games.
>
> * I was moved from school to school. I did not fit in at any school
> setting I was in.
>
> * I began failing all of my classes at age 12. I couldn't keep up in
> school after about two weeks. I would feel overwhelmed.
>
> * I took a college class in my special interest of the time (geology)
> and got a B in it, while I was failing all the other classes.
>
> * I would do well in a subject when privately tutored or learning on
> my own, but couldn't function in the school setting.
>
> * I was consumed with morbid feelings until I was out of school.
> Became preoccupied with death.
>
> * As a little girl, a teacher remarked that I had an extremely
> negative personality.
>
> * I dropped out of school at 15 and the morbid feelings ceased.
>
> * It always felt like I was a 'genius' under some contexts but a
> complete moron in others, and this always frustrated me.
>
> Previous diagnoses, suspected diagnoses, etc:
>
> * Suspected of ADHD several times but never tested for it.
> * Teacher asked mother to have me checked for epilepsy when I was 9.
> * Other teachers brought up the possibility of autism.
> * Previous doctor brought up "social anxiety disorder" and also
> "obsessive compulsive personality disorder".
> * Took Trazodone for one month, while in the care of Dr. Phil Hom
> (Contra Costa Mental Health). This was the only time I had a
> consistent and normal sleeping pattern.
> * I was considered 'gifted' but also recognized as 'learning disabled'
> as a child.
> * An acquaintance was recently diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. She
> loaned me the book "Asperger's Syndrome: A Guide for the Parent and
> Professional". I do not know if I meet those criteria now, but I am
> sure that AS would've been one of the labels to be slapped upon me if
> the label had existed in my childhood. I also recognize a lot of ADHD
> type things. I am not qualified to make this kind of judgment upon
> myself, however.
>
> Since I am not trying to get on disability and there probably is no
> drug I could take to change things which are intrinsic to my lifelong
> nature, I am not trying to get a "label".
>
> The only reason such would be helpful is that it would help me avail
> myself of resources available to the learning disabled, which I feel I
> require in order to academically succeed.
>
> What I am interested in, is insight and growing as a person. I want to
> find "where I fit" in the world. I would like to have a better idea of
> what my strengths and weaknesses are and stop trying to fit myself, a
> "square peg", into the round holes of the world. I know that I have
> weaknesses that other people don't have, but I also know that I have
> talents that other people don't have. I would like to identify these
> talents, and also identify some kind of work that I could succeed in,
> and learn how to compensate for the troubles that I have in school. I
> would like to have better communication with my husband. I want to be
> a better, more fulfilled person than I am. I want to be 'successful'
Hylander
> I don't think that sounds too good, you do not want to say you are lazy,
> that is a characther flaw and a cue for some one to say you need to buck up
> your ideas. Heck I had enough of being told I was lazy, almost ended up
> believing it, but lazy I am not, just have an EF problem.
>
> Phobias won't get you an AS dx either they are overlay issues not core ones.
>
> I think you will get more like a social phobia dx or anxiety with that like
> John and end up with anti anxyolytics.
>
> You need to create a picture of how you are and were relating a clear
> developmental history between the two, you need to show how the core
> features of an autistic condition may be producing the surface observations.
> Because most pdocs are not experienced or tuned into looking for that.
>
> Really you need to say, look I think I have AS check it out and get them to
> go through a menu with you of traits.
I think the description is quite long. I think this phrase might help.
"Look, I think I have AS". I almost feel like saying. "Is autism and
Asperger's Syndrome just a fake diagnosis?". "Is there any reason why
you think I shouldn't explore that route as to being a possible
explanation for what I go through given that it describes pretty
accurately what I go through?" "Is there any reason why I cannot get a
diagnosis at this point as an adult?".
I'm still pissed that I got stuck with pills (after hearing the
responses) that might not be good for me. What would be nice is not a
daily regiment but an occasional treatment like a tranquilizer if I
were to take a drug. I don't want to get fatter, less active, sleep in
more because these pills basically zonk out the anxiety with
everything else that I need to stay productive at my job which is the
only thing really going for me (and is always on the "edge") right
now.
John
Chris Croughton
<dolph...@fsmail.net> wrote:
> I love bees (even more than dolphins! :-)). Why are you scared of
> bees? Bees have absolutely no interest in humans and hardly ever sting
> unless you trap them (e.g. step on them or pick one up) or they think
> you're a threat to their hive. The fact you have seen the bee means
> you won't do that. (And you'd notice a hive!) You can safely stand by
> flowers watching bees while they work gathering nectar.
Bees are more intelligent than wasps. If a bee gets in through an open
window, I can generally leave it to get out again. Wasps will fly
around the closed windows and ignore the open ones.
I like bumblebees (the ones which allegedly can't fly -- if they've
taken on too big a load of pollen, it's true!). If you are careful you
can even stroke them.
> (I suppose the bees in your area might be different to the bees in
> mine but I doubt it. However, in all cases as far as I am aware bees
> die if they sting so they only sting as a last resort.)
At one time we had some nasty African bees invade, they did sting
without warning. Not all are the same.
Note for Americans: the UK wasps look very much like US bees, I've known
a number of Americans get stung because they didn't see the difference,
UK wasps do have a very narrow waist but it is very thin, not as obvious
as the US ones. The same with several stinging plants, apparently
stinging nettles are a different variety here.
> Wasps are more of an irritation because they are interested in humans.
> However, they don't seem to sting unless they feel threatened. If one
> lands on you, just very gently move your hand in its direction (like a
> cow gently swings its tail) and it will fly off. If it lands nearby,
> place a cup over it, gently slide a piece of paper under the cup, and
> keep it there for 5 minutes. Then let it out of a window. It will be
> so glad to get out of the dark cup that it will usually fly away. (If
> you try to let it out earlier then it often flies straight back in.)
Wasps are stupid. However, if you kill them they give off some kind of
signal (smell or something) which attracts other wasps.
> I have often wondered why a single wasp often hovers round food and
> just seems to admire it rather than land and take some. Then the other
> day I worked it out: I think that wasps are programmed not to land on
> the food unless there are other wasps hovering around. This may be a
> safety thing (it's safer to land if there are other wasps protecting
> the area) or more likely it may be a communication thing (if a wasp
> sees another wasp hovering it suggests food).
Interesting, I wonder if there are any studies on this. If not, you may
have landed yourself a PhD thesis subject <g>.
> That's interesting. On days when I'm really into a project at work I
> can sometimes work almost 12 hours continuously. But I suppose I'm
> lucky to have a job which does interest me most of the time (it
> includes a lot of analysis).
If I get interested I'll work all night (typical programmer
"all-nighter"). If I'm not interested then I'll find it hard to
concentrate at all.
>> * I am fixated on my personal interests to the extent that it strongly
>> impairs my functioning; I do my interests (constructing a detailed
>> sci-fi universe, since age 14)
>
> That (the universe) sounds great!
Yes, indeed.
Chris C
ares
ares
"Chris Croughton" <ch...@keristor.net> wrote in message
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Chris Croughton
<ar...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Wondering if UK wasps are US yellowjackets............
I've heard of 'yellowjackets', I just googled on them. They are
apparently "Paravespula vulgaris", the UK ones are "Vespula vulgaris",
so I suspect that they may well be similar (the description I found of
yellowjackets says that they are often confused with bees, which
Americans I've known here certainly have done). The web sites I've
found seem to be similar in look and description.
Thanks for that suggestion, now I know what to tell American visitors...
Chris C
Rowe Rickenbacker
> wilson wrote:
>
>> * I have a lot of 'phobia' type issues which interfere with my day
>> to day functioning. At thirty years old, if I see a bee anywhere
>> near me I will typically startle and start screaming and running.
>
> I love bees (even more than dolphins! :-)). Why are you scared of
> bees? Bees have absolutely no interest in humans and hardly ever
> sting unless you trap them (e.g. step on them or pick one up) or they
> think you're a threat to their hive. The fact you have seen the bee
> means you won't do that. (And you'd notice a hive!) You can safely
> stand by flowers watching bees while they work gathering nectar.
Wasps are more "investigative" than Bees, and will fly up to you and
crawl all over you. When I was in Edinburgh, I stood there with a wasp
crawling around on my lips when my mouth was closed, because I'd just
eaten a load of candy. Several of my friends were watching and were
really freaked out, but it made them less scared of wasps, since
I let it walk around for a bit and then it happily flew off.
> Wasps are more of an irritation because they are interested in
> humans. However, they don't seem to sting unless they feel
> threatened. If one lands on you, just very gently move your hand in
> its direction (like a cow gently swings its tail) and it will fly
> off.
Good idea. I tend to avoid this, since I don't like making a wasp feel
threatened while it's on me, but it does often work.
> If it lands nearby, place a cup over it, gently slide a piece of
> paper under the cup, and keep it there for 5 minutes. Then let it out
> of a window. It will be so glad to get out of the dark cup that it
> will usually fly away.
Never tried that but it sounds like a good idea. I've heard before that
if you trap wasps then they get "angry", but I don't know if this theory
is justified.
> I have often wondered why a single wasp often hovers round food and
> just seems to admire it rather than land and take some. Then the
> other day I worked it out: I think that wasps are programmed not to
> land on the food unless there are other wasps hovering around. This
> may be a safety thing (it's safer to land if there are other wasps
> protecting the area) or more likely it may be a communication thing
> (if a wasp sees another wasp hovering it suggests food).
That's an interesting theory. I'll look out for it in the future.
>> * I am fixated on my personal interests to the extent that it
>> strongly impairs my functioning; I do my interests (constructing a
>> detailed sci-fi universe, since age 14)
>
> That (the universe) sounds great!
Agreed.
> I related to an awful lot you wrote and restrained myself from
> writing comments of agreement.
Oops.
> I think you are clearly autistic.
Also agreed :)
Rowe
ares
to be amazed at the bug world down here; some sort of 'thing' stuck its head
out from between the remaining papayas as if to say 'what in the world do
you think you're doing?'. This was after I sprayed some of the mess I made
in the tree with a hose. I sprayed again and the whole darn thing came out;
seemed to be 3-4 inches long with a double pointy end and was dark brown and
perhaps 1/2 inch thick and the end seemed to be able to curve a little; and
antennae and looked like 6 legs; I had to get a picture of it. Seemed to be
the wrong color and large for a walking stick bug which I don't think are
able to curve either. Is it possible to upload pictures to newsgroups or is
that considered rude or something? There was another time when my orange
tree seemed to be loaded with bird turds. I look closer and it seemed to be
a small worm maybe an inch long and I look closer and one end appears to
have a face on it that resembled a lizard. I haven't seen them since that
time. Then in my house there are these diamond or almost fish shaped gray
things maybe a centimeter long and inside them appears to be a small worm
that pulls this thing along with it.
I think those yellowjackets are more likely to sting than the regular bees
here too. People here I think more often consider them bees than wasps.
ares
"Chris Croughton" <ch...@keristor.net> wrote in message
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termite
<use...@templeofdreams.net> told one of them in news:2oupchFe7jjpU1@uni-
berlin.de:
>
> Wasps are more "investigative" than Bees, and will fly up to you and
> crawl all over you. When I was in Edinburgh, I stood there with a wasp
> crawling around on my lips when my mouth was closed, because I'd just
> eaten a load of candy. Several of my friends were watching and were
> really freaked out, but it made them less scared of wasps, since
> I let it walk around for a bit and then it happily flew off.
ok ... that seriously creeped me out ... i know i wouldn't handle that well
at all
(shudders)
Sojourner
> Cool; I picked a couple of huge papayas off my tree yesterday
Where do you live?
Sojo
Dolphinius
> I like bumblebees (the ones which allegedly can't fly -- if they've
> taken on too big a load of pollen, it's true!). If you are careful you
> can even stroke them.
I can believe that.
I've never been tempted to try - not because I'd be nervous but
because if I were a bee I think I'd not appreciate being stroked while
trying to get on with my favourite activity (visiting flowers). :-)
ares
ares
"Sojourner" <WhereAreA...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Chris Croughton
<ar...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Cool; I picked a couple of huge papayas off my tree yesterday and I continue
> to be amazed at the bug world down here;
Whereabouts is your "down here"? Somewhere hotter than here <g>...
> some sort of 'thing' stuck its head
> out from between the remaining papayas as if to say 'what in the world do
> you think you're doing?'. This was after I sprayed some of the mess I made
> in the tree with a hose. I sprayed again and the whole darn thing came out;
> seemed to be 3-4 inches long with a double pointy end and was dark brown and
> perhaps 1/2 inch thick and the end seemed to be able to curve a little; and
> antennae and looked like 6 legs; I had to get a picture of it. Seemed to be
> the wrong color and large for a walking stick bug which I don't think are
> able to curve either. Is it possible to upload pictures to newsgroups or is
> that considered rude or something?
Yes, it is considered unsocial, and it's one of the things which can get
your account pulled. Best to upload to a website, where people can look
at it if they want to, and then post the URL. If you don't have a
website, feel free to email it to me (the address above works) and I can
put it on one of mine and post the URL.
> There was another time when my orange
> tree seemed to be loaded with bird turds. I look closer and it seemed to be
> a small worm maybe an inch long and I look closer and one end appears to
> have a face on it that resembled a lizard. I haven't seen them since that
> time. Then in my house there are these diamond or almost fish shaped gray
> things maybe a centimeter long and inside them appears to be a small worm
> that pulls this thing along with it.
Sounds to me like some sort of larva, but I'm not anything like a bug
expert.
> I think those yellowjackets are more likely to sting than the regular bees
> here too. People here I think more often consider them bees than wasps.
I gather so, from my limite web research.
Chris C
ares
ares
"ares" <ar...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:leqWc.390$6b.368@trnddc04...
Dolphinius
If a wasp landed on my lip I wouldn't be particularly comfortable
about it but I agree with Rowe that just letting it crawl around and
fly off is the safest thing to do.
David
Dolphinius <dolph...@fsmail.net> wrote:
> If a wasp landed on my lip I wouldn't be particularly comfortable
> about it but I agree with Rowe that just letting it crawl around and
> fly off is the safest thing to do.
Last autumn, whilst walking in the local park, a wasp flew straight out
at me from amongst a stand of trees and stung me, for no reason
whatsoever just above my right eye.
This year, I've sprayed "Wasp Away" each day on my arms and back of my
head, and smeared it on my forehead and beard.
--
http://www.dacha.freeuk.com/colour/6y-0.htm
Say nothing on Sunday; contemplate this day the Golden Sun:
A Sulphurous Yellow Light - but false - that from Cold Night was Spun.
Sojourner
I kinda thought so. Not many places papaya can grow liek that.
Sojo
Sojourner
> In article <47e4572a.04082...@posting.google.com>,
> Dolphinius <dolph...@fsmail.net> wrote:
>
>
>>If a wasp landed on my lip I wouldn't be particularly comfortable
>>about it but I agree with Rowe that just letting it crawl around and
>>fly off is the safest thing to do.
>
>
> Last autumn, whilst walking in the local park, a wasp flew straight out
> at me from amongst a stand of trees and stung me, for no reason
> whatsoever just above my right eye.
>
> This year, I've sprayed "Wasp Away" each day on my arms and back of my
> head, and smeared it on my forehead and beard.
>
>
i wouldn't worry about it. Sometimes even bugs can get blind or
disoriented from chemicals or something or perhaps agitated byt
something else and they are still in the 'fight or flight' made.
You had an axceptional thing happen to you.
No sense soaking up chemicals through your skin because of it.
SOjo
Sojourner
They have them in the Philippines on their papaya too.
Sojo
ares
loads of papaya trees; they grow like weeds; wish I liked them more.
ares
"Sojourner" <WhereAreA...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:l9vWc.14527$nk.7084@okepread05...
> ares wrote:
>
> > http://www.keristor.net/graphics/papayabug.jpg
> >
> > ares
> >
> >
David
<WhereAreA...@cox.net> wrote:
> David wrote:
> > This year, I've sprayed "Wasp Away" each day on my arms and back of
> > my head, and smeared it on my forehead and beard.
> i wouldn't worry about it. Sometimes even bugs can get blind or
> disoriented from chemicals or something or perhaps agitated byt
> something else and they are still in the 'fight or flight' made.
> You had an axceptional thing happen to you.
> No sense soaking up chemicals through your skin because of it.
Perhaps not but it has stopped the problem of up to half a dozen wasps
flying round me and the sandwiches (sometimes landing on them) when I'm
making lunch.
--
http://www.dacha.freeuk.com/photo/0y08-0.htm
Devil's Arrow at Boroughbridge
Chris Croughton
<dolph...@fsmail.net> wrote:
> Chris Croughton <ch...@keristor.net> wrote in message news:<slrncijmf6...@ccserver.keris.net>...
>
>> I like bumblebees (the ones which allegedly can't fly -- if they've
>> taken on too big a load of pollen, it's true!). If you are careful you
>> can even stroke them.
>
> I can believe that.
>
> I've never been tempted to try - not because I'd be nervous but
> because if I were a bee I think I'd not appreciate being stroked while
> trying to get on with my favourite activity (visiting flowers). :-)
It was a bee-keeper who showed me (and warned me not to try it with
honey-bees, they don't like it). Apparently if you do it slowly enough
they think it's another bee snuggling up to them.
Chris C
Sojourner
> In article <U6vWc.14523$nk.13966@okepread05>, Sojourner
> <WhereAreA...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>David wrote:
>
>
>>>This year, I've sprayed "Wasp Away" each day on my arms and back of
>>>my head, and smeared it on my forehead and beard.
>
>
>>i wouldn't worry about it. Sometimes even bugs can get blind or
>>disoriented from chemicals or something or perhaps agitated byt
>>something else and they are still in the 'fight or flight' made.
>
>
>>You had an axceptional thing happen to you.
>
>
>>No sense soaking up chemicals through your skin because of it.
>
>
> Perhaps not but it has stopped the problem of up to half a dozen wasps
> flying round me and the sandwiches (sometimes landing on them) when I'm
> making lunch.
>
>
use one of those net things.
=)
SOjo
David
One of those "net things" would have to be several of those "net
things", over the kitchen door and over several windows. That would
entail the expense of purchasing them, the frustration of being unable
to actually find suitable "net things" for at least the first few weeks
of the current wasp season, and possibly for the next few wasp seasons,
and, should I actually be able to source suitable "net things" in this
country, the effort of attaching them to windows and door, followed by
the inconvenience of not being able to walk easily through the open
door. Furthermore, one of those "net things" would afford absolutely no
defence against the dread beasties should I decide to consume my
sarnies sat on the garden bench in my back yard. A few depressions of a
relatively inexpensive spray canister each day seems positively trouble
free and by far the more effective by comparison.
--
http://www.dacha.freeuk.com/photo/0y14-0.htm
What's the difference between a Leeds barmaid and a Tetley Horse?
None: they both pull an awful lot of pints!
Molybdenum
>
> I like bumblebees (the ones which allegedly can't fly -- if they've
> taken on too big a load of pollen, it's true!). If you are careful you
> can even stroke them.
The night before I read this post, I had been describing to my husband a
fabulous fluffy bee, full saddlebags, covered in golden dust, that I'd
seen bumbling around on my tomato plants that afternoon.
I remember I used the word "cuddly".
Monica
had no idea one could stroke them!
and probably too much of a wimp to try.
Baba Yaga
>Chris Croughton wrote:
>>
>> I like bumblebees (the ones which allegedly can't fly -- if they've
>> taken on too big a load of pollen, it's true!). If you are careful you
>> can even stroke them.
>
>The night before I read this post, I had been describing to my husband a
>fabulous fluffy bee, full saddlebags, covered in golden dust, that I'd
>seen bumbling around on my tomato plants that afternoon.
What a lovely description. 8-) They couldn't be called anything *but
bumble bees, could they?
>I remember I used the word "cuddly".
They are deeply endearing creatures.
Baba Yaga
who hasn't seen a one this year, only wasps
--
/We/ are the veil that veils us from our self.
- R.D. Laing
Chris Croughton
<cn...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Chris Croughton wrote:
>>
>> I like bumblebees (the ones which allegedly can't fly -- if they've
>> taken on too big a load of pollen, it's true!). If you are careful you
>> can even stroke them.
>
> The night before I read this post, I had been describing to my husband a
> fabulous fluffy bee, full saddlebags, covered in golden dust, that I'd
> seen bumbling around on my tomato plants that afternoon.
>
> I remember I used the word "cuddly".
Just don't squeeze them too hard <g>...
Chris C
Chris Croughton
<spam...@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
> Molybdenum <cn...@sympatico.ca> wrote, in alt.support.autism:
>
>>The night before I read this post, I had been describing to my husband a
>>fabulous fluffy bee, full saddlebags, covered in golden dust, that I'd
>>seen bumbling around on my tomato plants that afternoon.
>
> What a lovely description. 8-) They couldn't be called anything *but
> bumble bees, could they?
Yes, it's a perfect name for them.
>>I remember I used the word "cuddly".
>
> They are deeply endearing creatures.
One of the joys of summer, I can watch them for hours.
> Baba Yaga
> who hasn't seen a one this year, only wasps
Aw. I'd send you some of the ones in my garden, but I don't think
they'd enjoy the trip...
Chris C
NatureloverChris
right now there is a big, busy bald face hornet nest at work. fun to watch from
a safe distance
chris
Chris C >><BR><BR>
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Chris Croughton wrote:
>
>> I like bumblebees (the ones which allegedly can't fly -- if they've
>> taken on too big a load of pollen, it's true!). If you are careful
you
>> can even stroke them.
Do you mean nectar?
> The night before I read this post, I had been describing to my husband a
> fabulous fluffy bee, full saddlebags, covered in golden dust, that I'd
> seen bumbling around on my tomato plants that afternoon.
That sounds pretty cool, actually. I remember seeing bees that I
thought couldn't fly, just kinda legging it around on some surface or
other, but then sometimes they take off again, so I don't know what's
going on :)
> I remember I used the word "cuddly".
Dat soundie so cuwtie! Snarf.
> Monica
> had no idea one could stroke them!
> and probably too much of a wimp to try.
Just be careful where you touch it.
Rowe
would sting you too if you got too close to his tail...
Chris Croughton
<t...@staight.net> wrote:
> Molybdenum <cn...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<412ECD44...@sympatico.ca>...
>> Chris Croughton wrote:
>>
>>> I like bumblebees (the ones which allegedly can't fly -- if they've
>>> taken on too big a load of pollen, it's true!). If you are careful
> you
>>> can even stroke them.
>
> Do you mean nectar?
Well, both, they go in for the nectar but pick up pollen as well. They
get well covered with the stuff.
>> The night before I read this post, I had been describing to my husband a
>> fabulous fluffy bee, full saddlebags, covered in golden dust, that I'd
>> seen bumbling around on my tomato plants that afternoon.
>
> That sounds pretty cool, actually. I remember seeing bees that I
> thought couldn't fly, just kinda legging it around on some surface or
> other, but then sometimes they take off again, so I don't know what's
> going on :)
When they have taken on too much they tend to try, fly for a few inches
and then run out of energy and plomp back down and rest for a while.
Until the evening when the air is a bit denser and they can make it back
to their nest or whatever.
>> I remember I used the word "cuddly".
>
> Dat soundie so cuwtie! Snarf.
They are <g>.
>> Monica
>> had no idea one could stroke them!
>> and probably too much of a wimp to try.
>
> Just be careful where you touch it.
Yes, indeed. I did it under supervision by a bee-keeper (and like with
all bees, confidence is a big factor, if they think you are nervous
they'll get afraid).
> Rowe
> would sting you too if you got too close to his tail...
Don't worry, you're not my type <g>...
Chris C
Molybdenum
>
> On 1 Sep 2004 13:30:46 -0700, Rowe Rickenbacker
> <t...@staight.net> wrote:
>
> > Molybdenum <cn...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<412ECD44...@sympatico.ca>...
> >>
> >> and probably too much of a wimp to try.
> >
> > Just be careful where you touch it.
>
> Yes, indeed. I did it under supervision by a bee-keeper (and like with
> all bees, confidence is a big factor, if they think you are nervous
> they'll get afraid).
This morning Ger found a dead fluffy bee while waiting for the school
bus. So I *had* to try stroking it...but it turns out the texture is too
delicate for me to feel except by touching it to my lips. So I won't be
tempted to go around touching live bees after all :)
I noticed Ger sniffing it, so I did too...and was surprised to find that
it smelled kind of fishy. Rather odd.
Monica
Baba Yaga
Hehe. The thought's appreciated anyway.
Baba Yaga
Chris Croughton
<cn...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> This morning Ger found a dead fluffy bee while waiting for the school
> bus. So I *had* to try stroking it...but it turns out the texture is too
> delicate for me to feel except by touching it to my lips. So I won't be
> tempted to go around touching live bees after all :)
No, bees don't seem to appreciate being kissed, even by pretty girls.
Their loss <g>. I always find it sad when they find their way into my
house and die, it's one reason I have nets over all of the open windows
(I'll kill wasps, but I don't want bees to get trapped).
> I noticed Ger sniffing it, so I did too...and was surprised to find that
> it smelled kind of fishy. Rather odd.
Interesting, I can't remember trying to sniff one. But I have a
permanent not-quite-cold so my sense of small isn't very good anyway.
Chris C
Molybdenum
>
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:29:34 -0400, Molybdenum
> <cn...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > This morning Ger found a dead fluffy bee while waiting for the school
> > bus. So I *had* to try stroking it...but it turns out the texture is too
> > delicate for me to feel except by touching it to my lips. So I won't be
> > tempted to go around touching live bees after all :)
>
> No, bees don't seem to appreciate being kissed, even by pretty girls.
> Their loss <g>.
I guess I could go for the "bee stung lips" look...
> > I noticed Ger sniffing it, so I did too...and was surprised to find that
> > it smelled kind of fishy. Rather odd.
>
> Interesting, I can't remember trying to sniff one. But I have a
> permanent not-quite-cold so my sense of small isn't very good anyway.
That must be terrible, not being able to distinguish things by their size...
Monica
okay, I know it was a typo :)
NatureloverChris
but if you pick it up and brush it again your arm, that can work too
<< > >> had no idea one could stroke them!
> >> and probably too much of a wimp to try.
> >
> > Just be careful where you touch it.
>
> Yes, indeed. I did it under supervision by a bee-keeper (and like with
> all bees, confidence is a big factor, if they think you are nervous
> they'll get afraid).
This morning Ger found a dead fluffy bee while waiting for the school
bus. So I *had* to try stroking it...but it turns out the texture is too
delicate for me to feel except by touching it to my lips. So I won't be
tempted to go around touching live bees after all :)
I noticed Ger sniffing it, so I did too...and was surprised to find that
it smelled kind of fishy. Rather odd.
>><BR><BR>
Chris Croughton
<cn...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Chris Croughton wrote:
>>
>> No, bees don't seem to appreciate being kissed, even by pretty girls.
>> Their loss <g>.
>
> I guess I could go for the "bee stung lips" look...
Not one I favour (either on myself or aesthetically on girls) <g>...
>> Interesting, I can't remember trying to sniff one. But I have a
>> permanent not-quite-cold so my sense of small isn't very good anyway.
>
> That must be terrible, not being able to distinguish things by their size...
Whap! I had to reread what I wrote three times before I saw that one!
<g>
> okay, I know it was a typo :)
Actually, I'm not good with absolute sizes, dinstances, speeds etc.
either. I can deal with relative ones (seeing that a car is coming and
knowing whether I have time to pull out before it arrives, for
instance), but I have no idea in absolute terms (how many feet, yards
etc. a car is away). I found that on my driving test, where the
instructor wanted me to read the number plate of a car about 66 feet
away (the minimum eyesight requirement). I read off a number and he was
confused -- the car I picked was about twice as far away! The one he
wanted looked too close to me...
Chris C
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Molybdenum wrote:
>
>> I *had* to try stroking it...but it turns out the texture is too
>> delicate for me to feel except by touching it to my lips. So I
>> won't be tempted to go around touching live bees after all :)
>
> No, bees don't seem to appreciate being kissed, even by pretty girls.
Even tall autistic ones? :o !
Rowe
Molybdenum
You'd be hard pressed to consider me a "tall, pretty, autistic girl".
I'll allow I am sort of tall, though :)
Monica
Rowe Rickenbacker
*I* didn't *say* pretty >:P
> I'll allow I am sort of tall, though :)
And autistic?
Rowe
Molybdenum
Nope. Just wait 'til you come to visit, you'll see!
And I suspect not many would refer to me as a "girl" :)
Monica
not *quite* ancient, but not nearly girlish...
Gareeth
>
> You'd be hard pressed to consider me a "tall, pretty, autistic girl".
>
> I'll allow I am sort of tall, though :)
>
days are behind me now.
Gareeth
Chris Croughton
I think they have this bias against other species <g>.
Oh, wait, aren't worker bees all female? Perhaps they only like being
kissed by men <g>...
Chris C
Chris Croughton
<use...@templeofdreams.net> wrote:
> Molybdenum wrote:
>
>> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Croughton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Molybdenum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I *had* to try stroking it...but it turns out the texture is
>>>>> too delicate for me to feel except by touching it to my lips.
>>>>> So I won't be tempted to go around touching live bees after all :)
>>>>
>>>> No, bees don't seem to appreciate being kissed, even by pretty
>>>> girls.
>>>
>>> Even tall autistic ones? :o !
>>
>> You'd be hard pressed to consider me a "tall, pretty, autistic girl".
>
> *I* didn't *say* pretty >:P
She looks lovely on my screen! Er, I did say I only do text, not
pictures <g>...
(It's like radio, the pictures are better because they are in my mind,
and I imagine people the way they come over in writing. I'm often
disappointed when I meet people I've met online, not because they are
worse looking (sometimes they are better) but because they don't match
my internal version...)
Chris C
Chris Croughton
You're a kid! I'll be the big 3 0 in a couple of weeks (that's in
hexadecimal, you're only 24 in hex!).
Chris C
Molybdenum
>
> She looks lovely on my screen!
Thank you! <blush>
> Er, I did say I only do text, not
> pictures <g>...
I think that increases the value of the compliment :)
> (It's like radio, the pictures are better because they are in my mind,
> and I imagine people the way they come over in writing. I'm often
> disappointed when I meet people I've met online, not because they are
> worse looking (sometimes they are better) but because they don't match
> my internal version...)
I am *always* SHOCKED when I find out what the people behind familiar
radio voices look like.
With the possible exception of Garrison Keillor :) though I'd probably
seen his picture before I ever heard his voice.
Monica
Chakolate
news:slrncjlqth...@ccserver.keris.net:
You're both kids. I'm 52, and although I'm not prime at the moment, I have
been and will be again.
Chakolate
--
Every tree has an ignominious end, except when they burn. Then they go out
gripped by madness.
--J. Lileks
Chakolate
> (It's like radio, the pictures are better because they are in my mind,
> and I imagine people the way they come over in writing. I'm often
> disappointed when I meet people I've met online, not because they are
> worse looking (sometimes they are better) but because they don't match
> my internal version...)
>
There is definitely that moment of confusion, but generally, when I meet
someone IRL that I've known well OL, it's like meeting an old friend for
the first time.
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> Molybdenum wrote:
>>
>>> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris Croughton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Molybdenum wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I won't be tempted to go around touching live bees after all :)
>>>>>
>>>>> bees don't seem to appreciate being kissed, even by pretty girls.
>>>>
>>>> Even tall autistic ones? :o !
>>>
>>> You'd be hard pressed to consider me a "tall, pretty, autistic girl".
>>
>> *I* didn't *say* pretty >:P
>>
>>> I'll allow I am sort of tall, though :)
>>
>> And autistic?
>
> Nope. Just wait 'til you come to visit, you'll see!
Since you never got around to posting a photo, I guess I'll have to come
and make holiday snaps for the rest of the "ASA Crew" to snarfle at.
> And I suspect not many would refer to me as a "girl" :)
Well, you're almost over the hill, eh? ;-)
> Monica not *quite* ancient, but not nearly girlish...
I'm not *externally* childish, although I like to dress up a bit to let
people know I'm not the mature hottie I appear to be ;-) I'm more of a
spontaneous hottie who would like to think he's original - more so than
most of todays cronies anyway :)
Rowe
dresses in black and listens to CKY ("alternative goth-punk rock" :-P )
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> Chris Croughton wrote:
>>
>>> Molybdenum wrote:
>>>
>>>> I won't be tempted to go around touching live bees after all :)
>>>
>>> No, bees don't seem to appreciate being kissed, even by pretty girls.
>>
>> Even tall autistic ones? :o !
>
> I think they have this bias against other species <g>.
Xenophobes?
> Oh, wait, aren't worker bees all female? Perhaps they only like
> being kissed by men <g>...
Oh, just sexist then ;-)
Rowe
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> Molybdenum wrote:
>>
>>> You'd be hard pressed to consider me a "tall, pretty, autistic girl".
>>
>> *I* didn't *say* pretty >:P
>
> She looks lovely on my screen! Er, I did say I only do text, not
> pictures <g>...
Secret webcam link?! :-o
> (It's like radio, the pictures are better because they are in my
> mind, and I imagine people the way they come over in writing. I'm
> often disappointed when I meet people I've met online, not because
> they are worse looking (sometimes they are better) but because they
> don't match my internal version...)
I get you. The reason I actually liked the Harry Potter movies so much
is that they matched my internal version (reading the books) to a tee.
I don't know what I expect Monica to look like, but I just clicked the
link to Sammi's pictures of the birthday party, and Nick looks exactly
like I imagined him to look... I think I half expected him to be blonde
though :-P
Rowe
Chris Croughton
<chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote:
> Chris Croughton <ch...@keristor.net> wrote in
> news:slrncjlqth...@ccserver.keris.net:
>
>> On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:45:00 -0700, Gareeth
>> <Garee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Molybdenum" <cn...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:413A5285...@sympatico.ca...
>>>>
>>>> You'd be hard pressed to consider me a "tall, pretty, autistic
>>>> girl".
>>>>
>>>> I'll allow I am sort of tall, though :)
>>>>
>>> I get tall and autistic. I don't think I am pretty and at 6 squared
>>> my girl days are behind me now.
>>
>> You're a kid! I'll be the big 3 0 in a couple of weeks (that's in
>> hexadecimal, you're only 24 in hex!).
>
> You're both kids. I'm 52, and although I'm not prime at the moment, I have
> been and will be again.
It's an interesting set of numbers starting at 47:
47 prime
48 30 in hex (and 3*2 * 2^3, Law of Fives)
49 prime
50 half a century, also octal 50 is 40 decimal
51 33 (two threes, Law of Fives) in hex, 3 * 17 (Illuminatus!)
52 cards in a deck, 4 * 13
53 prime again
54 2*3 * 3^2, Law of Fives again
55 a double, and another Law of Fives in a row
56 7 (a special number, being 2^3 - 1) * 2^3, third Law of Fives
57 prime again...
Chris C
Chris Croughton
<chakolateDea...@allvantage.com> wrote:
> Chris Croughton <ch...@keristor.net> wrote in
> news:slrncjlprh...@ccserver.keris.net:
>
>> (It's like radio, the pictures are better because they are in my mind,
>> and I imagine people the way they come over in writing. I'm often
>> disappointed when I meet people I've met online, not because they are
>> worse looking (sometimes they are better) but because they don't match
>> my internal version...)
>
> There is definitely that moment of confusion, but generally, when I meet
> someone IRL that I've known well OL, it's like meeting an old friend for
> the first time.
It is once we start chatting, but I may never get over the shock of them
looking 'wrong'. I have a limited capacity for recognition
characteristics, and they are pretty fixed...
Chris C
Chris Croughton
<cn...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Chris Croughton wrote:
>>
>> She looks lovely on my screen!
>
> Thank you! <blush>
P'jalst! (You know, girls are even prettier when they blush <g>...)
>> Er, I did say I only do text, not
>> pictures <g>...
>
> I think that increases the value of the compliment :)
<g>
>> (It's like radio, the pictures are better because they are in my mind,
>> and I imagine people the way they come over in writing. I'm often
>> disappointed when I meet people I've met online, not because they are
>> worse looking (sometimes they are better) but because they don't match
>> my internal version...)
>
> I am *always* SHOCKED when I find out what the people behind familiar
> radio voices look like.
I am often, some of them look just like their voices (Clement Freud, and
the late Frank Muir for instance).
It's why I insisted on seeing the first Harry Potter film before reading
the books, otherwise I would have been disappointed (or annoyed) at the
characters not looking and sounding like my imagined ones. Having seen
that, I could then use those versions in my internal form of the
books...
> With the possible exception of Garrison Keillor :) though I'd probably
> seen his picture before I ever heard his voice.
I don't know him...
Chris C
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Chris Croughton wrote:
>
>> (It's like radio, the pictures are better because they are in my
>> mind, and I imagine people the way they come over in writing. I'm
>> often disappointed when I meet people I've met online, not because
>> they are worse looking (sometimes they are better) but because they
>> don't match my internal version...)
>
> There is definitely that moment of confusion, but generally, when I
> meet someone IRL that I've known well OL, it's like meeting an old
> friend for the first time.
Exactly!
I met a friend that I met online, who actually lives in my town. We met
outside a HMV, and went to a cool basement cafe she knows, and I met
some of her friends. It was cool because it was a cyber cafe and a lot
of the guys in there were a little aspie, if not just plain ol' quiet
nerdy types, but I got in to some interesting conversations, and
promised to go back sometime. I haven't yet, but it was only about 3
weeks ago, so it's not too late yet :)
Rowe
aka Mr Popular
realises that the vast majority of friends he makes online are female...
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> I don't know what I expect Monica to look like, but I just clicked
>> the link to Sammi's pictures of the birthday party, and Nick looks
>> exactly like I imagined him to look... I think I half expected him
>> to be blonde though :-P
>
> oi!, he's no blonde
I know! :-P
> (and neither am i :))
I saw (not sure where/which) a picture of you that is very fuzzy, but it
shows that you have dark hair. Black maybe? If not, dark brunette.
My hair seems to have lightened in the sun, which is a shame since it's
now almost a light brown, and I want it *dark*!
Rowe
sggaB
> I am often, some of them look just like their voices (Clement Freud, and
> the late Frank Muir for instance).
Tolkien *sounds* exactly like I expected him to.
--
This post may be more literal, unemotional, or impersonal than
it looks. This FAQ has details: http://www.mugsy.org/asa_faq/
Jean B.
>
[snip]
>
> I'm not *externally* childish, although I like to dress up a bit to let
> people know I'm not the mature hottie I appear to be ;-) I'm more of a
> spontaneous hottie who would like to think he's original - more so than
> most of todays cronies anyway :)
>
> Rowe
> dresses in black and listens to CKY ("alternative goth-punk rock" :-P )
Originality reminds me of Leah's attire yesterday and the day
before. I tend to think most things have been worn by someone
over the course of time, but I do think she's come up with a
couple of original things this week. Friday she was wearing a
small black leather vest over a long-sleeved fine mesh top--long
black shorts with lots of hardware and streaming adornments. I
forget what she had one her feet.
Saturday, after we went to a medieval faire, she ended up wearing
a very sheer, red, "medieval" skirt over equally sheer, black
"medieval" pants, a black t-shirt with a Chinese red dragon design
on it, red geta (Japanese footwear with wooden soles), and various
adornments. Leah is really developing some interesting clothing
combos, and she has the utmost contempt for her schoolmates, who
all dress very conventionally.
--
Jean B.
Chakolate
news:2q17pcF...@uni-berlin.de:
> I don't know what I expect Monica to look like, but I just clicked the
> link to Sammi's pictures of the birthday party, and Nick looks exactly
> like I imagined him to look... I think I half expected him to be blonde
> though :-P
>
Has anybody started an a.s.a. gallery?
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> I don't know what I expect Monica to look like, but I just clicked
>> the link to Sammi's pictures of the birthday party, and Nick looks
>> exactly like I imagined him to look... I think I half expected him
>> to be blonde though :-P
>
> Has anybody started an a.s.a. gallery?
Yes. Robin.
He doesn't currently offer hosting for the photos, but I do :)
Rowe
enigma
news:413BC423...@rcn.com:
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>>
> [snip]
>>
>> I'm not *externally* childish, although I like to dress up
>> a bit to let people know I'm not the mature hottie I
>> appear to be ;-) I'm more of a spontaneous hottie who
>> would like to think he's original - more so than most of
>> todays cronies anyway :)
>>
>> Rowe
>> dresses in black and listens to CKY ("alternative
>> goth-punk rock" :-P )
>
> Originality reminds me of Leah's attire yesterday and the
> day before. I tend to think most things have been worn by
> someone over the course of time, but I do think she's come
> up with a couple of original things this week. Friday she
> was wearing a small black leather vest over a long-sleeved
> fine mesh top--long black shorts with lots of hardware and
> streaming adornments. I forget what she had one her feet.
um, she does know those shorts with the rings & straps are
bondage pants, right? they're pretty popular with the younger
punk/goth crowd. they make me uncomfortable though :-/
> Saturday, after we went to a medieval faire, she ended up
> wearing a very sheer, red, "medieval" skirt over equally
> sheer, black "medieval" pants, a black t-shirt with a
> Chinese red dragon design on it, red geta (Japanese
> footwear with wooden soles), and various adornments. Leah
> is really developing some interesting clothing combos, and
> she has the utmost contempt for her schoolmates, who all
> dress very conventionally.
King Richard's Faire?
it's good that she has her own style though. conformity to
one's peers styles is highly overrated :) i don't suppose
she's interested in sewing? one can make wonderful & very
unique clothing. my mom let me start sewing around age 8 & i
was making clothes without patterns in high school. can't say
*anyone* in my school dressed remotely like me (i was in my
'if they're going to stare & make fun of me, then, dammit,
i'll *give* them something to stare at!' stage :) ) now i'm
pretty boring: black jeans, assorted t shirts or turtlenecks.
hair that varies from grey to red to purple or stripes of any
of the above.
lee
--
It is paradoxical that many educators and parents still
differentiate
between a time for learning and a time for play without seeing
the vital
connection between them. -Leo Buscaglia, author (1924-1998)
Jean B.
>
> um, she does know those shorts with the rings & straps are
> bondage pants, right? they're pretty popular with the younger
> punk/goth crowd. they make me uncomfortable though :-/
We've heard the term, which, I admit, makes me uncomfortable. She
is a self-styled goth though.
>
> King Richard's Faire?
Yes! You've been?
> it's good that she has her own style though. conformity to
> one's peers styles is highly overrated :) i don't suppose
> she's interested in sewing?
She's occasionally interested but not enough to get good at it.
Yet.
one can make wonderful & very
> unique clothing. my mom let me start sewing around age 8 & i
> was making clothes without patterns in high school. can't say
> *anyone* in my school dressed remotely like me (i was in my
> 'if they're going to stare & make fun of me, then, dammit,
> i'll *give* them something to stare at!' stage :) )
Well, THAT sounds familiar!!!!
now i'm
> pretty boring: black jeans, assorted t shirts or turtlenecks.
> hair that varies from grey to red to purple or stripes of any
> of the above.
Hehe. Well, I wear black jeans and usually a black t-shirt, with
some esoteric decoration. Now I either have to make more shirts
or find some.
--
Jean B.
enigma
> enigma wrote:
>>
>> um, she does know those shorts with the rings & straps are
>> bondage pants, right? they're pretty popular with the
>> younger punk/goth crowd. they make me uncomfortable though
>> :-/
>
> We've heard the term, which, I admit, makes me
> uncomfortable. She is a self-styled goth though.
how old is she again? i'm one of the older members of Boston
net.goth mailing list, although i seldom get to Boston & i
hate clubbing... we do get together & have picnics/cookouts/
movie nights/poetry readings and Thursdays are coffee nights
in Davis Square. the youngest non-lurker on the list is around
17, i think, but she's at Carnegie-Mellon this year...
>>
>> King Richard's Faire?
>
> Yes! You've been?
not in a few years. it's a 3 hour drive. i used to work as a
boothie there for several years though.
of course, i really can't use the drive as an excuse since we
drive 8 hours to go to Sterling Faire in NY. i love Renn.
faires :)
>
>> i don't suppose
>> she's interested in sewing?
>
> She's occasionally interested but not enough to get good at
> it. Yet.
Simplicity has some great gothable patterns & some pretty
good Renn.faire ones too. if you have a Jo-Ann's Fabrics
nearby you should check them out. Jo-Ann's frequently has 99
cent sales on Simplicity patterns. that might get her
interested.
>> (i was in my 'if they're going to stare & make fun of me,
>> then, dammit, i'll *give* them something to stare at!'
>> stage :) )
>
> Well, THAT sounds familiar!!!!
:)
lee
Molybdenum
>
> enigma wrote:
> >
> > um, she does know those shorts with the rings & straps are
> > bondage pants, right? they're pretty popular with the younger
> > punk/goth crowd. they make me uncomfortable though :-/
>
> We've heard the term, which, I admit, makes me uncomfortable. She
> is a self-styled goth though.
Okay, I had never heard of these so I looked it up.
First of all, what's with the plaid????
Anyway, this sort of put me in mind of a unique and gorgeous pair of
pants I saw somebody wearing last year; I'm not sure if they were made
this way or modified by the wearer, but they looked really cool.
Basically they were just loose-ish pant legs, but each thigh had been
wrapped around with straps so that they conformed to the leg, and then
at the knee the fullness was left to drape. Bet Leah could do that with
those gauzy black pants you mentioned :)
> Hehe. Well, I wear black jeans and usually a black t-shirt, with
> some esoteric decoration. Now I either have to make more shirts
> or find some.
What? You didn't order the "It Is Forbidden to Commit Seppuku" shirt
from j-list???
:)
Monica
Jean B.
>
> "Jean B." wrote:
> >
> > enigma wrote:
> > >
> > > um, she does know those shorts with the rings & straps are
> > > bondage pants, right? they're pretty popular with the younger
> > > punk/goth crowd. they make me uncomfortable though :-/
> >
> > We've heard the term, which, I admit, makes me uncomfortable. She
> > is a self-styled goth though.
>
> Okay, I had never heard of these so I looked it up.
>
> First of all, what's with the plaid????
The plaid? I did notice some at the goth clothing store, but we
didn't pay much attention to it. It just reminds us of my father,
whom we lived with for 5 years. Not fun because he was
progressively demented and spent all of the early years
criticizing Leah.
>
> Anyway, this sort of put me in mind of a unique and gorgeous pair of
> pants I saw somebody wearing last year; I'm not sure if they were made
> this way or modified by the wearer, but they looked really cool.
> Basically they were just loose-ish pant legs, but each thigh had been
> wrapped around with straps so that they conformed to the leg, and then
> at the knee the fullness was left to drape. Bet Leah could do that with
> those gauzy black pants you mentioned :)
That sounds interesting, whether with her gauzy pants or some
other pair.
>
> > Hehe. Well, I wear black jeans and usually a black t-shirt, with
> > some esoteric decoration. Now I either have to make more shirts
> > or find some.
>
> What? You didn't order the "It Is Forbidden to Commit Seppuku" shirt
> from j-list???
Haven't seen that one, and we try to stay away from violent
themes--whether the violence is directed at oneself or others.
She actually is, she says, a "kitty goth", who likes cute things.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
>
> how old is she again? i'm one of the older members of Boston
> net.goth mailing list, although i seldom get to Boston & i
> hate clubbing... we do get together & have picnics/cookouts/
> movie nights/poetry readings and Thursdays are coffee nights
> in Davis Square. the youngest non-lurker on the list is around
> 17, i think, but she's at Carnegie-Mellon this year...
She's going to be 14 at the end of September, so not quite ready
for the big time yet. Maybe in a few years, if she is still a
goth. (We'll have to stay in touch.)
> >>
> >> King Richard's Faire?
> >
> > Yes! You've been?
>
> not in a few years. it's a 3 hour drive. i used to work as a
> boothie there for several years though.
What type of booth? Leah has been gobbling up ear cuffs, since
her areas aren't pierced. She also has her eye on various other
things, which she will use in her daily life. She seems to want a
cape to use as a winter jacket. :-) She is still wearing the
"medieval" shoes she got last year....
> of course, i really can't use the drive as an excuse since we
> drive 8 hours to go to Sterling Faire in NY. i love Renn.
> faires :)
Hmmm. I'm gonna have to look up the Sterling Faire. Leah just
adores them. I though about becoming a member of the SCA, but I
am, um, not a joiner, so that never happened. Very interesting
though.
> >
> >> i don't suppose
> >> she's interested in sewing?
> >
> > She's occasionally interested but not enough to get good at
> > it. Yet.
>
> Simplicity has some great gothable patterns & some pretty
> good Renn.faire ones too. if you have a Jo-Ann's Fabrics
> nearby you should check them out. Jo-Ann's frequently has 99
> cent sales on Simplicity patterns. that might get her
> interested.
We have a Jo-Ann's less than 10 minutes away. We'll have to go
browse through the patterns. They may very well spark her
interest.
>
> >> (i was in my 'if they're going to stare & make fun of me,
> >> then, dammit, i'll *give* them something to stare at!'
> >> stage :) )
> >
> > Well, THAT sounds familiar!!!!
>
> :)
--
Jean B.
enigma
>> not in a few years. it's a 3 hour drive. i used to work
>> as a
>> boothie there for several years though.
>
> What type of booth? Leah has been gobbling up ear cuffs,
> since her areas aren't pierced. She also has her eye on
> various other things, which she will use in her daily life.
> She seems to want a cape to use as a winter jacket. :-)
> She is still wearing the "medieval" shoes she got last
> year....
chain mail. i don't know if Manny is still vending there or
not. he owes me $700 & a brass dagged belt, which i'll likely
never get. he was an ok guy when i started working for him (i
even did a couple upscale jewelery shows for him), but he was
getting really odd... then decided not to pay the boothies,
so...
if Half Moon Leather is there with thier cloaks, i *highly*
recommend them! they're nice people & those cloaks are
extremely well made. they'll last almost forever. they're more
pullover type cloaks though. if she wants a cape for winter
wear make sure it's heavy wool (or polarfleece) & lined
(lining keeps the shape. otherwise the weight will distort the
lines). you also want something that doesn't skimp on the
material. if you can't wrap up in a cape, you won't stay warm.
something that just falls from the shoulders isn't good for
much besides a costume piece.
what medieval shoes did she get? i have Medieval moccasins
but i don't really like them. i have ordered a pair of custom
boots, but i have to get the beadwork done before they can
make them for me as it has to be inset into the leather (the
beadwork is squarestitch wyverns in size 13 beads. about an
inch square, approx.500 beads each). hopefully i'll have it
done by mid-winter so i can get the boots for next summer.
> Hmmm. I'm gonna have to look up the Sterling Faire. Leah
> just adores them. I though about becoming a member of the
> SCA, but I am, um, not a joiner, so that never happened.
> Very interesting though.
what i consider "local" fairs would be King Richard's, Maine,
Vermont, Sterling & Tuxedo NY. Hammond's Castle & the Armory
in Worchester both have one day or one weekend events too.
i want to buy Sterling, but i don't have a spare 2.1
million...
this should keep you busy for a few hours:
http://www.the-meissners.org/ren.html
the MA chapter of the SCA is the Carolignians. you don't want
to join them. trust me... <shudder>
lee
Molybdenum
>
> Molybdenum wrote:
> >
> > "Jean B." wrote:
> > >
> > > enigma wrote:
> > > >
> > > > um, she does know those shorts with the rings & straps are
> > > > bondage pants, right? they're pretty popular with the younger
> > > > punk/goth crowd. they make me uncomfortable though :-/
> > >
> > > We've heard the term, which, I admit, makes me uncomfortable. She
> > > is a self-styled goth though.
> >
> > Okay, I had never heard of these so I looked it up.
> >
> > First of all, what's with the plaid????
>
> The plaid?
When I looked up "bondage pants" I kept getting these pictures of pastel
plaid things. The very first pair that came up was *pink*, no less.
> >
> > What? You didn't order the "It Is Forbidden to Commit Seppuku" shirt
> > from j-list???
>
> Haven't seen that one, and we try to stay away from violent
> themes--whether the violence is directed at oneself or others.
Yeah, I'm a bit uncomfortable with that one, but I know someone who
covets it so I ordered it for his birthday...
> She actually is, she says, a "kitty goth", who likes cute things.
Well then obviously she needs this one:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N46D21A39
:)
Monica
enigma
news:413D3953...@sympatico.ca:
> "Jean B." wrote:
>>
>> Molybdenum wrote:
>> > Okay, I had never heard of these so I looked it up.
>> >
>> > First of all, what's with the plaid????
>>
>> The plaid?
>
>
> When I looked up "bondage pants" I kept getting these
> pictures of pastel plaid things. The very first pair that
> came up was *pink*, no less.
well, punk rockers adopted plaid, & they also adopted bondage
pants, so... plaid bondage pants came on the scene in the late
80s. the blokes wore plaid pants, the girls wore plaid kilts
(like schoolgirl uniforms). pink bondage pants are just
*wrong!* :)
lee <not a fan of plaid either, unless it's a kilt>
Nick Leverton
enigma <eni...@empire.net> wrote:
>
> well, punk rockers adopted plaid, & they also adopted bondage
>pants, so... plaid bondage pants came on the scene in the late
>80s. the blokes wore plaid pants, the girls wore plaid kilts
>(like schoolgirl uniforms). pink bondage pants are just
>*wrong!* :)
Not over here they didn't :_) Tartan was a Bay City Rollers, teenybopper
style of dress. No punk would have been seen dead in anything but a
torn black binliner ...
>lee <not a fan of plaid either, unless it's a kilt>
I like Plaid as long as it's the musical one :)
Nick
--
"And we will be restoring neurotypicality just as soon as we are sure
what is normal anyway. Thank you". -- not quite DNA
Chris Croughton
<ni...@leverton.org> wrote:
> In article <Xns955D64A42D10...@199.125.85.9>,
> enigma <eni...@empire.net> wrote:
>>
>> well, punk rockers adopted plaid, & they also adopted bondage
>>pants, so... plaid bondage pants came on the scene in the late
>>80s. the blokes wore plaid pants, the girls wore plaid kilts
>>(like schoolgirl uniforms). pink bondage pants are just
>>*wrong!* :)
>
> Not over here they didn't :_) Tartan was a Bay City Rollers, teenybopper
> style of dress. No punk would have been seen dead in anything but a
> torn black binliner ...
The idea of punk rockers in tartan is -- disconcerting. However, I have
had the impression in the past from USians that 'punk' over there was a
different phenomenon.
>>lee <not a fan of plaid either, unless it's a kilt>
>
> I like Plaid as long as it's the musical one :)
I don't mind the Welsh one <g>...
Chris C
Nick Leverton
Chris Croughton <ch...@keristor.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:26:26 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
> <ni...@leverton.org> wrote:
>> Not over here they didn't :_) Tartan was a Bay City Rollers, teenybopper
>> style of dress. No punk would have been seen dead in anything but a
>> torn black binliner ...
>
>The idea of punk rockers in tartan is -- disconcerting. However, I have
>had the impression in the past from USians that 'punk' over there was a
>different phenomenon.
That sounds plausible, given the possibility of involvement by the US
music industry and the US fashion industry. Punk, of course, was about
anti-industry, anti-manipulation, and lots of shouting, swearing and raw
anger, not things that would sell well in Main Street, Leftpondia ...
This claims to be a programme on punk in the USA:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/documentaries/punk.shtml
It seems *really* odd having punk on Radio 2 (the "easy listening"
station), British punk rock was banned by the BBC at the time :-)
>>>lee <not a fan of plaid either, unless it's a kilt>
>>
>> I like Plaid as long as it's the musical one :)
>
>I don't mind the Welsh one <g>...
Cymru Into The Garden, Plaid :)
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Jean B. wrote:
>
>> Molybdenum wrote:
>>
>>> Jean B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> enigma wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> um, she does know those shorts with the rings & straps are
>>>>> bondage pants, right? they're pretty popular with the younger
>>>>> punk/goth crowd. they make me uncomfortable though :-/
>>>>
>>>> We've heard the term, which, I admit, makes me uncomfortable.
>>>> She is a self-styled goth though.
>>>
>>> Okay, I had never heard of these so I looked it up.
>>>
>>> First of all, what's with the plaid????
>>
>> The plaid?
>
> When I looked up "bondage pants" I kept getting these pictures of
> pastel plaid things. The very first pair that came up was *pink*, no
> less.
Hopefully you're kidding, but "bondage pants" are (generally black)
trousers that have attachments on to assist bondage. Generally loads
of straps hanging off helps (er, I mean... to keep the look!)
>>> What? You didn't order the "It Is Forbidden to Commit Seppuku"
>>> shirt from j-list???
>>
>> Haven't seen that one, and we try to stay away from violent
>> themes--whether the violence is directed at oneself or others.
>
> Yeah, I'm a bit uncomfortable with that one, but I know someone who
> covets it so I ordered it for his birthday...
Awwwww! Thanks!
>> She actually is, she says, a "kitty goth", who likes cute things.
>
> Well then obviously she needs this one:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N46D21A39
I think you misunderstood "kitty goth".
Preferably not this kind either:
http://www.darkfurr.org/marcony/whitby/2001-11/catgoth-fri.jpg
Strangely a lot of listings on Google list Kitty Goth as a Goth who
dresses up as a Kitty, but I had always heard it used to mean a Goth
who liked cute things, like (shock horror) sometimes branching out
to Pink as well as Black.
Rowe
Jean B.
> chain mail. i don't know if Manny is still vending there or
> not. he owes me $700 & a brass dagged belt, which i'll likely
> never get. he was an ok guy when i started working for him (i
> even did a couple upscale jewelery shows for him), but he was
> getting really odd... then decided not to pay the boothies,
> so...
I think there is only one chainmail booth. Let me look.... It's
Mardigan's Maile.
> if Half Moon Leather is there with thier cloaks, i *highly*
> recommend them!
Oh good! That is where we are looking at capes and cloaks.
they're nice people & those cloaks are
> extremely well made. they'll last almost forever. they're more
> pullover type cloaks though. if she wants a cape for winter
> wear make sure it's heavy wool (or polarfleece) & lined
> (lining keeps the shape. otherwise the weight will distort the
> lines). you also want something that doesn't skimp on the
> material. if you can't wrap up in a cape, you won't stay warm.
> something that just falls from the shoulders isn't good for
> much besides a costume piece.
Thanks for the tips! They are VERY expensive, so we'll see....
> what medieval shoes did she get? i have Medieval moccasins
> but i don't really like them. i have ordered a pair of custom
> boots, but i have to get the beadwork done before they can
> make them for me as it has to be inset into the leather (the
> beadwork is squarestitch wyverns in size 13 beads. about an
> inch square, approx.500 beads each). hopefully i'll have it
> done by mid-winter so i can get the boots for next summer.
Hmmm. I don't know how to describe them so you will be able to
visualize them. Other than saying they are pretty open and
involved a leather thong, my description is useless.
>
> > Hmmm. I'm gonna have to look up the Sterling Faire. Leah
> > just adores them. I though about becoming a member of the
> > SCA, but I am, um, not a joiner, so that never happened.
> > Very interesting though.
>
> what i consider "local" fairs would be King Richard's, Maine,
> Vermont, Sterling & Tuxedo NY. Hammond's Castle & the Armory
> in Worchester both have one day or one weekend events too.
We'll have to look all of them up. Maybe there are links from
some medieval sites I have discovered--or maybe the vendors have
links or mention places and dates.
> i want to buy Sterling, but i don't have a spare 2.1
> million...
Neither do I. Alas.
> this should keep you busy for a few hours:
> http://www.the-meissners.org/ren.html
Thanks--if I get through the posts at a decent hour, I'll start
looking. Or maybe, given what you said, I should put that off
until the morning.
> the MA chapter of the SCA is the Carolignians. you don't want
> to join them. trust me... <shudder>
Uh-oh. I have only been to a few events. The most recent one
must have been about 18-20 years ago. But then I am not into
joining things, so I'm in no danger.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> Jean B. wrote:
>
> When I looked up "bondage pants" I kept getting these pictures of pastel
> plaid things. The very first pair that came up was *pink*, no less.
Let me see if I can find a picture of Leah's favorite pants....
Ooops. I have to restart. I'll try to remember to look. They
are Tripp brand, from hottopic.com/
>
[snip]
>
> > She actually is, she says, a "kitty goth", who likes cute things.
>
> Well then obviously she needs this one:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N46D21A39
>
> :)
She might like it if it was black--but then I can rarely predict
with total accuracy what she will like. It reminds me of the cat
bus from "Totoro".
I'll see if I can keep that on the screen until Leah is out of the
shower. Thanks.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
and not the cat bus. The smile reminded me of the cat bus. Leah
says she saw it somewhere, likes it, and would diegn to wear it as
long as she had on sufficient black accoutrements. Thanks!
--
Jean B.
Rowe Rickenbacker
Plaid? Is that like Tartan?
Rowe
always grins when he sees "bondage pants" since
"pants" in Britain tends to mean "underpants"...
Jean B.
>
> well, punk rockers adopted plaid, & they also adopted bondage
> pants, so... plaid bondage pants came on the scene in the late
> 80s. the blokes wore plaid pants, the girls wore plaid kilts
> (like schoolgirl uniforms). pink bondage pants are just
> *wrong!* :)
> lee <not a fan of plaid either, unless it's a kilt>
That plaid seems to be rather in now, even in the goth stores. I
hate plaid.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
>
[snip]
>
> I think you misunderstood "kitty goth".
>
> Preferably not this kind either:
>
> http://www.darkfurr.org/marcony/whitby/2001-11/catgoth-fri.jpg
Leah would wear ears, but not those ears, since they have PINK in
them.
>
> Strangely a lot of listings on Google list Kitty Goth as a Goth who
> dresses up as a Kitty, but I had always heard it used to mean a Goth
> who liked cute things, like (shock horror) sometimes branching out
> to Pink as well as Black.
>
Leah abhors pink. I don't understand the pink in her favorite
goth store.
--
Jean B.
Molybdenum
>
> Molybdenum wrote:
>
> > Jean B. wrote:
> >
> > > She actually is, she says, a "kitty goth", who likes cute things.
> >
> > Well then obviously she needs this one:
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?N46D21A39
> >
> > :)
>
> She might like it if it was black--but then I can rarely predict
> with total accuracy what she will like. It reminds me of the cat
> bus from "Totoro".
That is indeed, what it is based on.
By the way, I have this shirt...but you knew that, didn't you :)
Monica
Molybdenum
Cool :)
I guess I should read ahead before I reply...
Monica
Molybdenum
>
> Molybdenum wrote:
>
> > When I looked up "bondage pants" I kept getting these pictures of
> > pastel plaid things. The very first pair that came up was *pink*, no
> > less.
>
> Hopefully you're kidding,
Sorry, but no.
http://www.thelastresort.nu/clothes/dogpile/dogpile_pants/pants02.shtml
They're described as "black/red/yellow" but they sure look pink to me!
Monica
Chris Croughton
<ni...@leverton.org> wrote:
> In article <slrncjrr5k...@ccserver.keris.net>,
> Chris Croughton <ch...@keristor.net> wrote:
>>On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:26:26 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
>> <ni...@leverton.org> wrote:
>
>>> Not over here they didn't :_) Tartan was a Bay City Rollers, teenybopper
>>> style of dress. No punk would have been seen dead in anything but a
>>> torn black binliner ...
>>
>>The idea of punk rockers in tartan is -- disconcerting. However, I have
>>had the impression in the past from USians that 'punk' over there was a
>>different phenomenon.
>
> That sounds plausible, given the possibility of involvement by the US
> music industry and the US fashion industry. Punk, of course, was about
> anti-industry, anti-manipulation, and lots of shouting, swearing and raw
> anger, not things that would sell well in Main Street, Leftpondia ...
Yes, exactly. Particularly since a lot of the swearing was using
British colloqialisms which probably wouldn't be understood much there.
> This claims to be a programme on punk in the USA:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/documentaries/punk.shtml
> It seems *really* odd having punk on Radio 2 (the "easy listening"
> station), British punk rock was banned by the BBC at the time :-)
Ah yes, I remember it well <g>. A bit over 10 years ago I went to a
local concert advertised as 'punk'[1]. Yes, the bands were loud, the
vocals somewhat distorted, the words somewhat angry -- but they could
play their instruments! What happened to the 'punk' bands who fired
their guitarist for playing more than 3 chords?
[1] It was weird. I never (well, hardly ever!) look at the local free
paper shoved through my letterbox each week. That Friday I was in a
non-good mood, and wanted loud music, and I also happened to look
through the paper, not for anything in particular. The "What's On" page
happened to say about this concert, within walking distance, so I
went...
>>>>lee <not a fan of plaid either, unless it's a kilt>
>>>
>>> I like Plaid as long as it's the musical one :)
>>
>>I don't mind the Welsh one <g>...
>
> Cymru Into The Garden, Plaid :)
Don't get Maud-lin...
Chris C
Nick Leverton
Chris Croughton <ch...@keristor.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:44:39 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
> <ni...@leverton.org> wrote:
>> That sounds plausible, given the possibility of involvement by the US
>> music industry and the US fashion industry. Punk, of course, was about
>> anti-industry, anti-manipulation, and lots of shouting, swearing and raw
>> anger, not things that would sell well in Main Street, Leftpondia ...
>
>Yes, exactly. Particularly since a lot of the swearing was using
>British colloqialisms which probably wouldn't be understood much there.
After all, they hadn't even had Buffy yet.
>Ah yes, I remember it well <g>. A bit over 10 years ago I went to a
>local concert advertised as 'punk'[1]. Yes, the bands were loud, the
>vocals somewhat distorted, the words somewhat angry -- but they could
>play their instruments! What happened to the 'punk' bands who fired
>their guitarist for playing more than 3 chords?
I didn't like punk at the time, I just didn't feel that anger with
the Establishment. There was as much crap punk as crap anything else,
but at least it was honest crap, done crap to make a point :-)
I prefer 70s punk to the sludgy pop that came in the 80s and 90s
though ... I've always had this unfortunate tendency to actually listen
to lyrics, and most of them are just so banal. That's why these days
I mostly stick to music with, at the most, short samples in :)
>> Cymru Into The Garden, Plaid :)
>
>Don't get Maud-lin...
Just call me Reginald ;-)
enigma
news:2q7138F...@uni-berlin.de:
> Strangely a lot of listings on Google list Kitty Goth as a
> Goth who dresses up as a Kitty, but I had always heard it
> used to mean a Goth who liked cute things, like (shock
> horror) sometimes branching out to Pink as well as Black.
on alt.gothic.fashion, those tend to be perky goths or farie
goths... there are also Hello Kitty goths.
which reminds me of one of my stuffed toys i've made... Hello
Cthulu... yeah, i'm real sad ;)
lee
enigma
> enigma wrote:
>> lee <not a fan of plaid either, unless it's a kilt>
>
> Plaid? Is that like Tartan?
yes, but not any "official" Tartan.
> always grins when he sees "bondage pants" since
> "pants" in Britain tends to mean "underpants"...
i know that :)
but it does give a whole new meaning to 'bondage pants',
doesn't it?
enigma
80s revival. i saw leg warmers in Target yesterday...
since belbottom hiphuggers are also currently in style, i was
trying to envision legwarmers over bellbottoms & it made my
brain hurt :)
the things i think are funniest in Hot Topic is the John
Deere stuff... (although if it was Massey-Furguson i'd
probably buy it...).
oh, Boo has a Ramones Rock & Roll Preschool t-shirt. now i'm
looking for thier Rock & Roll high school one to match... but
my eBay account is suspended because someone tried to hack it
:p
lee
Terry Jones
<slrncjtj4m...@ccserver.keris.net>
>>>>>lee <not a fan of plaid either, unless it's a kilt>
>>>>
>>>> I like Plaid as long as it's the musical one :)
>>>
>>>I don't mind the Welsh one <g>...
>>
>> Cymru Into The Garden, Plaid :)
>
>Don't get Maud-lin...
Or you might meet Bill Gates all alone...
Nick Leverton
Even BG would tremble if an enraged penguin charged him at 60mph.
Nick
I *love* the Internet. I can have a vague thought and it can tell me
what the hell I mean. And you find such great pix exploring the thought !
http://www.tipatat.com/gallery_display.php?art_id=13
Rowe Rickenbacker
I meant kidding about thinking that's what bondage pants are usually
like :-P
Rowe
Rowe Rickenbacker
> http://www.thelastresort.nu/clothes/dogpile/dogpile_pants/pants02.shtml
>
> They're described as "black/red/yellow" but they sure look pink to me!
Oh, and no - it was a simple typo "PLAID PUNK BONDAGE PANTS" should have
been "PLAID PINK BONDAGE PANTS" ;-)
Rowe
Nick Leverton
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> enigma wrote:
>>
>>> lee <not a fan of plaid either, unless it's a kilt>
>>
>> Plaid? Is that like Tartan?
>
> yes, but not any "official" Tartan.
Yeah, that makes sense :)
>> always grins when he sees "bondage pants" since "pants" in Britain
>> tends to mean "underpants"...
>
> i know that :) but it does give a whole new meaning to 'bondage
> pants', doesn't it?
It certainly does...
Rowe
not sure what that meaning is, though.
Rowe