Re: illegal witholding of services from those on the autistic spectrum

[Autindividual]

Self-Being is NOT a Disability, Diesease, or any other kind of Disorder!!!

[Aquarian Monkey]

On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:40:37 PM UTC-4, Phil W Lee wrote:
> https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/30719 sign it,
> share it, blackmail, force, beg people you know to sign it, them,
> their friends, their friends friends, their friends dog....
>
> Full text of petition:
>
> The government should stop councils from exempting Autism as a
> disability
>
> Responsible department: Department for Work and Pensions
>
> We call upon the government to stop local councils exempting Autism as
> a disability to cut costs. Local councils refuse to accept Autistic
> Spectrum Disorders as a disability for schemes and services such as
> Blue Badges, Radar Keys and Social Services Support, even when
> applications are backed by letters from medical professionals - this
> discrimination needs to stop NOW!

I personally find it very sad that they would deny assistance to people who need it to save money. Shame on people like that. It may be true that some people with autism do not need assistance, but some do. I think if someone needs assistance to be self-sufficient to their highest capability, that society owes them that.

I would sign the petition if an American signature would help. Luckily here in the States, when the ADA was amended, autism was listed as a diagnosis that almost always results in some level of disability. I know that doesn't always guarantee people the help they need, but it sounds better than what is happening across the pond.

Auitindividual, I do not believe the autism my kids have is a disease or disorder, but it does leave them impaired, and if they need to be categorized as being disabled when they are older to get the support they need, I hope that no one insists that they shouldn't be able to have it, ykwim? It would be sad if they had to relinquish who they could be if they had support because of someone's insistence that they did not have a disability.

[Autindividual]

Aquarian Monkey <Aquaria...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:10203823.1756.1335406315015.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbez18:

> Auitindividual, I do not believe the autism my kids have is a disease
> or disorder, but it does leave them impaired, and if they need to be
> categorized as being disabled when they are older to get the support
> they need, I hope that no one insists that they shouldn't be able to
> have it, ykwim? It would be sad if they had to relinquish who they
> could be if they had support because of someone's insistence that they
> did not have a disability.

My own personal experience ever since I entered this miserable alien world,
is that far and away the greatest impairment is that which is Deliberately
and Needlessly Imposed upon and Against those who are noticeably different,
in the inherently Evil spirit of Meanness, Insensitivity, Intolerance, and
general Hostility.

Not only that, there's something Far more important at stake here than
getting any so-called 'support', 'assistance', or other hand-out...it's our
DIGNITY!!!

To Trade THAT for any Illusory so-called 'benefit' is akin to the Biblical
account of Esau selling his BirthRight away to Jacob in exchange for
essentially a bowl of soup!

We were all little kids with autism - now we're 'big kids' with autism,
because we survived, and so will the little kids today - neither they, nor
we, need to be Stigmatized with the label of mental disorder in order to
survive - IT'S A TRAP...to ENFORCE NeuroConformity!!!

If little autistic kids can be Deemed to have a 'mental disorder', then I
will have to endure such FALSE Labeling myself - NO THANKS, I'LL HAVE NO
PART OF IT!!!

I attribute my own creativity to my own Individuality, my own SELF-BEING,
i.e. my Autism - with the result being that I've just started writing songs
#7 and 8 for my album project, and I'll not have that Vilified or Demonized
in exchange for ANYTHING!!!

I much prefer the Right Attitude over the Victimhood-Embracing Sickling
'Security blanket' mentality and although I'm not a feminist, and I do take
issue with the rest of the verses in the song, Helen Reddy's "I Am Woman"
says it best in the second verse:

You can bend but never break me
'Cause it only serves to make me
More determined to achieve my final goal
And I come back even stronger
Not a novice any longer
'Cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul

That verse is NOT gender-specific, it applies to everyone with the Courage
to embrace it by personal conviction - and I most cordially Everyone to do
precisely that!

[Aquarian Monkey]

So are you saying that because of your own personal beliefs and your own personal success, others should be denied support if it will help them achieve their own success? Surely you recognize that autism is a heterogeneous thing, and what may apply to one, may not apply to all, especially due to the vast differences in how autism affects one's life? Seems rather short-sighted and potentially self-centered to me. I do not judge the life of another based on my own abilities and experiences. Each person is an individual.

Clearly you feel very strongly about your opinion, and I respect that, but it would seem that it doesn't hold true in all cases. I would also argue that receiving support or assistance does not mean one cannot have dignity. To claim that would be to claim that anyone blind, deaf, or otherwise disabled does not have dignity, would it not? I am in the business are caring for the disabled and those who cannot care for themselves. I would not say they are without dignity.

IMHO, I think it is fair for you to speak for yourself, but perhaps less so when you superimpose your personal experience on others. Most of whom you have never met.

On Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:17:44 AM UTC-4, Autindividual wrote:
> Aquarian Monkey wrote in

[Autindividual]

Aquarian Monkey <Aquaria...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:28016112.710.1335481593921.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbx14:

> So are you saying that because of your own personal beliefs and your
> own personal success, others should be denied support if it will help
> them achieve their own success?

No, not at all. What I am saying is that the Price of such 'support' must
not be more expensive than we can afford...and 'trading', i.e. Throwing
Away our Dignity for it is far too high a price. Furthermore, if it's to
be Genuine help, it will ultimately have to come from some sector other
than the NT one as the NT idea of 'support' is Always to 'cure', or
otherwise Change us to Their NT Standard way of thinking and existing.

> Surely you recognize that autism is a
> heterogeneous thing, and what may apply to one, may not apply to all,
> especially due to the vast differences in how autism affects one's
> life? Seems rather short-sighted and potentially self-centered to me.
> I do not judge the life of another based on my own abilities and
> experiences. Each person is an individual.

Yes, of course I recognize that - Difference is what it's all about, and
it's something I Celebrate. However, if someone wants to have me labeled
as 'disordered' because they are having problems, then I would actually
proceed to tell them, in full view of the Difference factor, that Their
condition may be a 'disorder', but mine is Not, and that I prefer Not to
be Pigeonholed with the 'disorder' 'disability' 'disease' crowd.

> Clearly you feel very strongly about your opinion, and I respect that,
> but it would seem that it doesn't hold true in all cases. I would also
> argue that receiving support or assistance does not mean one cannot
> have dignity.

While that's certainly possible, it's not very probable, particularly
when considering that 'the government' is to be involved.

> To claim that would be to claim that anyone blind, deaf,
> or otherwise disabled does not have dignity, would it not?

Not quite. The blind cannot see, the deaf cannot hear, the lame cannot
walk or perform other Physical activity, but the autistic, IF autism
continues to be viewed as a Mental Disorder, will be considered not to be
able to think/behave 'right' - where 'right' is the Established
NeuroTypical Standard of Conformity and Compliance...Big difference.

> I am in the
> business are caring for the disabled and those who cannot care for
> themselves. I would not say they are without dignity.

I used to work with the disabled and I noticed 2 basic types, one type,
the Victim crowd, wanted everything done for them and constantly relied
on their disability as a 'security blanket' to 'justify' constant
laziness while shamelessly imposing on everyone else around them. The
other type, by sharp contrast and a refreshing departure from the
pathetic first type, was what I referred to as the 'Dignity crowd'. They
Refused to view themselves as sickling victims and saw their disabilities
as challenges to be risen to and ultimately overcome or at very least
brought under their own control.

> IMHO, I think it is fair for you to speak for yourself, but perhaps
> less so when you superimpose your personal experience on others. Most
> of whom you have never met.

I am speaking for myself. I do Not want to be Labeled as 'Mentally
Disorderd' because others less inclined to rising to life's challenges,
which can include autism, would rather take their perceived 'easy' way
out.

Perhaps I should explain how I came to be deposited/marooned in this
Alien world and how by all known science and reason, I should, as of next
month, have been dead for the last 56 years. It might help to encourage
those who need it...it has given me the attitude with regards to
challenges that if I can do it, Anyone can.

[Nick Cramer]

Autindividual <Aut...@self.org> wrote:
> Aquarian Monkey <Aquaria...@gmail.com> wrote in

> > So are you saying that because of your own personal beliefs and your
> > own personal success, others should be denied support if it will help
> > them achieve their own success?
>
> No, not at all. What I am saying is that the Price of such 'support' must
> not be more expensive than we can afford...and 'trading', i.e. Throwing
> Away our Dignity for it is far too high a price. Furthermore, if it's to
> be Genuine help, it will ultimately have to come from some sector other
> than the NT one as the NT idea of 'support' is Always to 'cure', or
> otherwise Change us to Their NT Standard way of thinking and existing.

What does NT mean?

> > Surely you recognize that autism is a
> > heterogeneous thing, and what may apply to one, may not apply to all,
> > especially due to the vast differences in how autism affects one's
> > life? Seems rather short-sighted and potentially self-centered to me.
> > I do not judge the life of another based on my own abilities and
> > experiences. Each person is an individual.
>
> Yes, of course I recognize that - Difference is what it's all about, and
> it's something I Celebrate. However, if someone wants to have me labeled
> as 'disordered' because they are having problems, then I would actually
> proceed to tell them, in full view of the Difference factor, that Their
> condition may be a 'disorder', but mine is Not, and that I prefer Not to
> be Pigeonholed with the 'disorder' 'disability' 'disease' crowd.

Et vive la différence! I can see that my 8-year old grandson is very
talented and smart. I don't consider him disordered, disabled or diseased.
I hope he's able to get through school without being f***ed up by it and
that when he's grown, he's able to reach his potential and cope with
society. Or something like that.

> > Clearly you feel very strongly about your opinion, and I respect that,
> > but it would seem that it doesn't hold true in all cases. I would also
> > argue that receiving support or assistance does not mean one cannot
> > have dignity.
>
> While that's certainly possible, it's not very probable, particularly
> when considering that 'the government' is to be involved.

I would run like hell if I heard the words, "Hi. I'm from the Government.
I'm here to HELP you!

> > To claim that would be to claim that anyone blind, deaf,
> > or otherwise disabled does not have dignity, would it not?
>
> Not quite. The blind cannot see, the deaf cannot hear, the lame cannot
> walk or perform other Physical activity, but the autistic, IF autism
> continues to be viewed as a Mental Disorder, will be considered not to be
> able to think/behave 'right' - where 'right' is the Established
> NeuroTypical Standard of Conformity and Compliance...Big difference.
>
> > I am in the
> > business are caring for the disabled and those who cannot care for
> > themselves. I would not say they are without dignity.
>
> I used to work with the disabled and I noticed 2 basic types, one type,
> the Victim crowd, wanted everything done for them and constantly relied
> on their disability as a 'security blanket' to 'justify' constant
> laziness while shamelessly imposing on everyone else around them. The
> other type, by sharp contrast and a refreshing departure from the
> pathetic first type, was what I referred to as the 'Dignity crowd'. They
> Refused to view themselves as sickling victims and saw their disabilities
> as challenges to be risen to and ultimately overcome or at very least
> brought under their own control.

The more victims, the bigger and more powerful the government can be! Those
who rise up to overcome challenges are a threat to social equality!

> > IMHO, I think it is fair for you to speak for yourself, but perhaps
> > less so when you superimpose your personal experience on others. Most
> > of whom you have never met.
>
> I am speaking for myself. I do Not want to be Labeled as 'Mentally
> Disorderd' because others less inclined to rising to life's challenges,
> which can include autism, would rather take their perceived 'easy' way
> out.
>
> Perhaps I should explain how I came to be deposited/marooned in this
> Alien world and how by all known science and reason, I should, as of next
> month, have been dead for the last 56 years. It might help to encourage
> those who need it...it has given me the attitude with regards to
> challenges that if I can do it, Anyone can.

I hope you publish that autobiographical extract(here).

--
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[Bob Badour]

On 4/26/2012 10:11 PM, Nick Cramer wrote:
> Autindividual<Aut...@self.org> wrote:
>> Aquarian Monkey<Aquaria...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
>>> So are you saying that because of your own personal beliefs and your
>>> own personal success, others should be denied support if it will help
>>> them achieve their own success?
>>
>> No, not at all. What I am saying is that the Price of such 'support' must
>> not be more expensive than we can afford...and 'trading', i.e. Throwing
>> Away our Dignity for it is far too high a price. Furthermore, if it's to
>> be Genuine help, it will ultimately have to come from some sector other
>> than the NT one as the NT idea of 'support' is Always to 'cure', or
>> otherwise Change us to Their NT Standard way of thinking and existing.
>
> What does NT mean?

Neurotypical

I have a very hobbesian view of governments. They exist to wield a
monopoly on violence, and ultimately everything they do is rooted in
violence or the threat thereof.

[Autindividual]

Nick Cramer <n_cram...@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:20120427011132.107$k...@newsreader.com:

> What does NT mean?

NT is a term used to indicate 'NeuroTypical', the condition of
NeuroTypicality. It's used to provide the Classic Hegelian Dialectic
Manipulation artificial environment, serving as the Anthesis, the
'solution' to the Thesis, the 'problem', in this case autism, with the
Synthesis being Conformity. In other words, in that context, it basically
means 'non-autistic', 'non-disordered', 'non-diseased', 'non-disabled',
or simply 'normal'. Although it's often presented ostensibly, more by
implication than anything else, as indicative of a 'properly', 'rightly'
function nervous system, in reality i.e. Practice, it's a De Facto
Established Standard of Behavior whereby and wherewith Everyone is in one
way or another, Coerced or otherwise Pressured to Conform and Comply. It
Scorns and seeks to subdue and ultimately Eliminate Individuality - and
autism literally means Self-Being, or being oneself. Thus the Objective
of NT is to change the behavior of Everyone, from being their own
Individual selves, to being just like everyone else i.e. Uniformity. The
less-than-pure Motive is quite obvious - Manipulation and Control on a
very large, literally a global scale with relatively little effort. For
instance, as an analog, just as padlocks which are 'keyed alike' make it
simple and easy to Use them because a single key unlocks them all, so it
is also that NeuroTypicality likewise makes it simple and easy to Use
i.e. Control people because their NT Behavior will then be Uniform and
thus require little effort on the part of their Manipulators. For a most
accurate portrayal of this, see Aldous Huxley's excellent book, "Brave
New World".

> Et vive la différence! I can see that my 8-year old grandson is very
> talented and smart. I don't consider him disordered, disabled or
> diseased. I hope he's able to get through school without being f***ed
> up by it and that when he's grown, he's able to reach his potential
> and cope with society. Or something like that.

That's the Challenge we all face - and the public FOOL system is all
about Conformity so it's a real struggle and a constant battle - oh, how
well I personally know that - the attitude there is far too often; 'how
DARE you to be different'...but I Dared, and Always will ;)

> I would run like hell if I heard the words, "Hi. I'm from the
> Government. I'm here to HELP you!

YES INDEED!!!
Ideally we'd run to BATTLE STATIONS!!!

> The more victims, the bigger and more powerful the government can be!

PRECISELY!!! That is what I've been suggesting all along - and that it's
Extremely Dangerous, even Deadly!

> Those who rise up to overcome challenges are a threat to social
> equality!

Most Definitely - and we NEED as many like that as we can Muster!!!
And that so-called 'equality' is the Slavery of Socialism!

> I hope you publish that autobiographical extract(here).

Okay, that sounds like a good-enough mandate - I think I will, it's about
time for it anyway.

[Autindividual]

Bob Badour <b...@badour.net> wrote in
news:0fGdnXuT0NXLzgfS...@giganews.com:

> I have a very hobbesian view of governments. They exist to wield a
> monopoly on violence, and ultimately everything they do is rooted in
> violence or the threat thereof.

How so very True, and since they Use Violence and the Threat thereof as
their Primary Tactic to Control their Subjects, they are by definition,
TERRORISTS, for they Rule by FEAR and thus also maintain and further pursue
a monopoly on TERRORISM...which means we Need a REAL War on Terrorism,
THEIR TERRORISM!!!

[Zeke Zebedee]

Withholding of Radar keys eh?

Now tell me true, why an autistic individual might require to use a toilet
that is essentially adapted for wheelchair users? They are not even that
good for people with other mobility impairments.

One of the ironies of this world is that I used to be at one time the
official supplier of Radar Key's to a certain City Council. Yep I was the
middle man between the company that produced the blanks and the Council.

Eke it's Zeke


"Phil W Lee" <ph...@lee-family.me.uk> wrote in message
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[Nick Cramer]

Bob Badour <b...@badour.net> wrote:
> On 4/26/2012 10:11 PM, Nick Cramer wrote:
> > Autindividual<Aut...@self.org> wrote:
> >> Aquarian Monkey<Aquaria...@gmail.com> wrote in

> > [ . . . . ]

> > What does NT mean?
>
> Neurotypical

Thanks.

> >>> [ . . . . ]

> >> While that's certainly possible, it's not very probable, particularly
> >> when considering that 'the government' is to be involved.
> >
> > I would run like hell if I heard the words, "Hi. I'm from the
> > Government. I'm here to HELP you!
>
> I have a very hobbesian view of governments. They exist to wield a
> monopoly on violence, and ultimately everything they do is rooted in
> violence or the threat thereof.

Which the 2nd Amendment has been fighting a losing battle to counter!

[Nick Cramer]

Autindividual <Aut...@self.org> wrote:
> Nick Cramer <n_cram...@pacbell.net> wrote in

> > What does NT mean?
>
> NT is a term used to indicate 'NeuroTypical', the condition of

> NeuroTypicality. Be like the ants and bees - serve the Leader! [ . . . ]
> [ . . . . ]

> > I hope you publish that autobiographical extract(here).
>
> Okay, that sounds like a good-enough mandate - I think I will, it's about
> time for it anyway.

[Aquarian Monkey]

Zeke, good to see you! :)

On Friday, April 27, 2012 6:53:47 PM UTC-4, Zeke Zebedee wrote:
> Withholding of Radar keys eh?
>
> Now tell me true, why an autistic individual might require to use a toilet
> that is essentially adapted for wheelchair users? They are not even that
> good for people with other mobility impairments.
>
> One of the ironies of this world is that I used to be at one time the
> official supplier of Radar Key's to a certain City Council. Yep I was the
> middle man between the company that produced the blanks and the Council.
>
> Eke it's Zeke
>
>
> "Phil W Lee"

[dolph...@fsmail.net]

On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:40:37 PM UTC+1, Phil W Lee wrote:
> https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/30719 sign it,
> share it, blackmail, force, beg people you know to sign it, them,
> their friends, their friends friends, their friends dog....
>
> Full text of petition:
>
> The government should stop councils from exempting Autism as a
> disability
>
> Responsible department: Department for Work and Pensions
>
> We call upon the government to stop local councils exempting Autism as
> a disability to cut costs. Local councils refuse to accept Autistic
> Spectrum Disorders as a disability for schemes and services such as
> Blue Badges, Radar Keys and Social Services Support, even when
> applications are backed by letters from medical professionals - this
> discrimination needs to stop NOW!

I would support people for whom autism is a disability receiving social services support if it helps them live indepedently. However, I do not see why anyone with autism deserves to have a Blue Badge. If you are autistic and capable of driving then I think you should be able to park in normal places. What am I missing?

I am also unclear why anyone with autism would need a radar key (to access disabled toilets rather than use public toilets). Maybe there is the occasional case which merits it, but I don't see why generally.

This petition does not make clear what the government is doing to the detriment of autistic people. Impairments caused by autism appear to be covered by the Disability Discrimination Act 1995. I need more information as to what actions have been taken which make this petition relevant before I can consider signing it.

I searched on Google (pages from the UK) for the keywords: disability exempt autism. Nothing of concern came up on the first two pages. I tried again adding the word "council". Again nothing (except one page which explicitly included autism as a disability). Can anyone find any evidence to support what the petitioner is saying?

Dolphinius
(Male, age 40 +/- a few months, UK, self-diagnosed AS)

[dolph...@fsmail.net]

On Friday, April 27, 2012 3:32:07 AM UTC+1, Autindividual wrote:
> Aquarian Monkey wrote in

> news:28016112.710.1335481593921.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbx14:

> > Surely you recognize that autism is a
> > heterogeneous thing, and what may apply to one, may not apply to all,
> > especially due to the vast differences in how autism affects one's
> > life? Seems rather short-sighted and potentially self-centered to me.
> > I do not judge the life of another based on my own abilities and
> > experiences. Each person is an individual.
>
> Yes, of course I recognize that - Difference is what it's all about, and
> it's something I Celebrate. However, if someone wants to have me labeled
> as 'disordered' because they are having problems, then I would actually
> proceed to tell them, in full view of the Difference factor, that Their
> condition may be a 'disorder', but mine is Not, and that I prefer Not to
> be Pigeonholed with the 'disorder' 'disability' 'disease' crowd.

I would descibe mine differently. Relative to what is normal, I do have a disorder. However, I do not consider it to be a disadvantage (overall) or a disability (in terms of being able to live independently). If I were to be tasked with finding someone willing to get married to me, socialising an average amount and bringing up a family then, yes, I do have a major disability. However, life doesn't have to be about that. In the way I have managed to shape my life I have exceptional ability in some areas (that I use to the benefit to society).

> > Clearly you feel very strongly about your opinion, and I respect that,
> > but it would seem that it doesn't hold true in all cases. I would also
> > argue that receiving support or assistance does not mean one cannot
> > have dignity.
>
> While that's certainly possible, it's not very probable, particularly
> when considering that 'the government' is to be involved.

I think one can have support and dignity. Suppose you were born blind and deaf. You would need help in the world and would probably never be able to live independently. However, there is an amazing amount you could potentially achieve. If you have the attitude to make the best of the hand you are dealt then I think you should have dignity.

I am not sure why 'the government' makes a difference. Not everyone is born with a family that can support them.

> > To claim that would be to claim that anyone blind, deaf,
> > or otherwise disabled does not have dignity, would it not?
>
> Not quite. The blind cannot see, the deaf cannot hear, the lame cannot
> walk or perform other Physical activity, but the autistic, IF autism
> continues to be viewed as a Mental Disorder, will be considered not to be
> able to think/behave 'right' - where 'right' is the Established
> NeuroTypical Standard of Conformity and Compliance...Big difference.

In the UK, the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 states: "a person has a disability for the purposes of this Act if he has a physical or mental impairment which has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on his ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities".

So I think you can be autistic and not disabled. Equally you can be autistic and disabled under this definition.

> > IMHO, I think it is fair for you to speak for yourself, but perhaps
> > less so when you superimpose your personal experience on others. Most
> > of whom you have never met.
>
> I am speaking for myself. I do Not want to be Labeled as 'Mentally
> Disorderd' because others less inclined to rising to life's challenges,
> which can include autism, would rather take their perceived 'easy' way
> out.

I agree with Autindividual here.

> Perhaps I should explain how I came to be deposited/marooned in this
> Alien world and how by all known science and reason, I should, as of next
> month, have been dead for the last 56 years. It might help to encourage
> those who need it...it has given me the attitude with regards to
> challenges that if I can do it, Anyone can.

I would be interested to hear more.

[dolph...@fsmail.net]

On Friday, April 27, 2012 9:05:46 AM UTC+1, Bob Badour wrote:

> I have a very hobbesian view of governments. They exist to wield a
> monopoly on violence, and ultimately everything they do is rooted in
> violence or the threat thereof.

I am not convinced that governments (the people who are elected to government, at least in the UK) necessarily are. However, the backers of government (who want to protect or enhance their wealth) do not always have qualms about the methods used to achieve their ends.

In the UK, I think that civil liberties have become increasingly restricted since the generation of politicians that actually fought in the Second World War have retired or died. It is not at a critical state yet, but politicans are increasinly succumbing to short term views rather than doing things that are for the best for a healthy society in the long term.

These days politicans are too influenced by advisers (from the police or miltary) who make the case for increased powers. In the past we had politicians who knew the history of what they had fought against and who would stand up to this.

[Bob Badour]

On 4/28/2012 12:59 PM, dolph...@fsmail.net wrote:
> On Friday, April 27, 2012 9:05:46 AM UTC+1, Bob Badour wrote:
>
>> I have a very hobbesian view of governments. They exist to wield a
>> monopoly on violence, and ultimately everything they do is rooted in
>> violence or the threat thereof.
>
> I am not convinced that governments (the people who are elected to government, at least in the UK) necessarily are. However, the backers of government (who want to protect or enhance their wealth) do not always have qualms about the methods used to achieve their ends.

I can only conclude you know little English history. Why do we tolerate
governance if not for the protection of the monopoly on violence?

[dolph...@fsmail.net]

On Monday, April 30, 2012 5:42:16 AM UTC+1, Bob Badour wrote:

You imply that we elect the people who are least likely to be violent against us (or who are most likely to protect us from violence by others)?

[Bob Badour]

Anarchy quickly resolves into "the strongest, most vicious, most
ruthless will rule and take whatever he wants."

The only way to prevent daily petty bloodshed is for good men to wield
an overwhelming monopoly on violence to maintain rule of law.

To ensure good men wield the monopoly requires responsible governance
with checks and balances.

In a sense, we give up a tiny bit of our freedom by accepting civic duty
in order to preserve safety and freedom for all. Without rule of law,
commerce doesn't work, and property is as much burden as asset.

Government's entire reason for being is to wield a monopoly on violence,
and everything governments do is rooted in violence or the threat thereof.

[Zeke Zebedee]

To see you nice. As Brucie used to say :)

Eke it's the Zekeration game.


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[Zeke Zebedee]

Of course notwithstanding my earlier post there are some reasons why some
autistic people may require a Radar key, and it is perfectly possible to get
them privately anyway, I used to get them wholesale to supply to the
Council, as a middle man. I charged a mark up, but that went to the Coventry
Council of Disabled People.

It is not a universal that any person with a specific condition will need
either a Blue Badge or a Radar key, it depends upon individual need, rather
than diagnosis.

Eke it's Zeke


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