Re: MooLogic asked, "Can Marijuana Help Kids with Autism?"
elizabeth
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> This mom says giving her kid pot has made all the difference.
>
> Gina Kaysen Fernandes: As the mother of an autistic child, Marie Myung-
> Ok Lee is navigating uncharted territory as she struggles to manage
> her son's condition. She has bravely come forward to share her son's
> battle with this mysterious disorder, and to discuss how medical
> marijuana has brought them both back from the brink of despair.
>
> http://www.momlogic.com/2009/11/can_marijuana_help_kids_with_autism.php
>
> dope 'em up and throw away the key
>
> <chessucat flaps hand>
Pot is far less harmful than Ritalin. Sheesh.
Stephen Wilson
"elizabeth" <efra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You reckon? They're both drugs. They both have harmful side effects.
Some facts about marijuana:
you can get hooked, it can affect your memory, reduce your ability to react,
make it difficult to concentrate, make you anxious, cause paranoia, etc.
After a long time on it, you lose interest in things. It can also cause
psychosis.
Other effects are it can cause include making you shake, giving you nausea,
headaches, decreased co-ordination, breathing problems, increased appetite,
reduced blood flow to the brain and issues with reproductive organs.
I know people who are hooked on marijuana. I've witnessed some of these side
effects in them.
Less harmful than Ritalin? That's a matter of opinion.
Eva
"chessucat" <ches...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> This mom says giving her kid pot has made all the difference.
>
> Gina Kaysen Fernandes: As the mother of an autistic child, Marie Myung-
> Ok Lee is navigating uncharted territory as she struggles to manage
> her son's condition. She has bravely come forward to share her son's
> battle with this mysterious disorder, and to discuss how medical
> marijuana has brought them both back from the brink of despair.
>
> http://www.momlogic.com/2009/11/can_marijuana_help_kids_with_autism.php
>
>
> dope 'em up and throw away the key
>
> <chessucat flaps hand>
Yeah, but marijuana is not a sedative, so "dope 'em up" doesn't really
apply.
However, I personally can't tolerate the stuff. I never could.
I have sensory defensiveness, and marijuana *intensifies* sensations.
Most people find this very enjoyable--colors are brighter, sugar is sweeter,
they feel like they're hearing more music in between the notes, etc.--but
it's painful and unbearably head-jamming to me.
A lot of autistic people have sensory defensiveness, and it would be a big
mistake to give them marijuana thinking it would make them calm and happy.
You might instead see the mother of all meltdowns.
Just my 2 cents.
Eva
Phil Carmody
> "elizabeth" <efra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 3, 11:28 am, chessucat <chessu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>>
>>> This mom says giving her kid pot has made all the difference.
>>>
>>> Gina Kaysen Fernandes: As the mother of an autistic child, Marie Myung-
>>> Ok Lee is navigating uncharted territory as she struggles to manage
>>> her son's condition. She has bravely come forward to share her son's
>>> battle with this mysterious disorder, and to discuss how medical
>>> marijuana has brought them both back from the brink of despair.
>>>
>>> http://www.momlogic.com/2009/11/can_marijuana_help_kids_with_autism.php
>>>
>>> dope 'em up and throw away the key
>>>
>>> <chessucat flaps hand>
>>
>>Pot is far less harmful than Ritalin. Sheesh.
>
> You reckon? They're both drugs.
Anyone uttering a sentence like that is bound to be a source of much
nonsense, let's see...
> They both have harmful side effects.
>
> Some facts about marijuana:
>
> you can get hooked, it can affect your memory, reduce your ability to react,
> make it difficult to concentrate, make you anxious, cause paranoia, etc.
> After a long time on it, you lose interest in things. It can also cause
> psychosis.
>
> Other effects are it can cause include making you shake,
Yet it's used medically for Parkinson's disease
> giving you nausea,
Yet it's used medically to treat nausea
> headaches,
Yet it's used medically to treat headaches
> decreased co-ordination
Yet it's used medically to treat various movement disorders
> breathing problems,
Yet it's used medically to treat asthma
> increased appetite,
What's wrong in that? As long as you balance your calorie intake
with expenditure, there's no problem at all. All those sports stars
you see on telly - they have huge appetites.
> reduced blood flow to the brain
Yet it's used medically to treat high blood pressure
> and issues with reproductive organs.
Yet it's used medically to treat high blood pressure, a major cause of
erectile disfunction.
And who would care if it were to cause decreased fertility - you're
posting to alt.support.childfree, if you hadn't realised?
Phil
--
Any true emperor never needs to wear clothes. -- Devany on r.a.s.f1
Snoid
"chessucat" <ches...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> This mom says giving her kid pot has made all the difference.
>
> Gina Kaysen Fernandes: As the mother of an autistic child, Marie Myung-
> Ok Lee is navigating uncharted territory as she struggles to manage
> her son's condition. She has bravely come forward to share her son's
> battle with this mysterious disorder, and to discuss how medical
> marijuana has brought them both back from the brink of despair.
>
> http://www.momlogic.com/2009/11/can_marijuana_help_kids_with_autism.php
>
>
> dope 'em up and throw away the key
>
> <chessucat flaps hand>
I can't seem to smell the intention of this post.
Snoid
"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> you can get hooked, it can affect your memory, reduce your ability to
> react, make it difficult to concentrate, make you anxious, cause paranoia,
> etc. After a long time on it, you lose interest in things. It can also
> cause psychosis.
>
> Other effects are it can cause include making you shake, giving you
> nausea, headaches, decreased co-ordination, breathing problems, increased
> appetite, reduced blood flow to the brain and issues with reproductive
> organs.
>
> I know people who are hooked on marijuana. I've witnessed some of these
> side effects in them.
>
> Less harmful than Ritalin? That's a matter of opinion.
>
Paranoia : Definition = undefined fear (?) , or the fear that could not be
easily defined (?... nice defintion)
[Nerd people definition :
The belief that your enemies are better organized than u are.:]
The word *paranoia* , *psychosis* doesn't represent anything (So, as the
word *anxious* is totally
redundant universal word in english)
There is only a bad luck. To live in *therapy culture* society. Which has
no results, which
should have been banned a loooong ago etc and blah blah. I mean seriosly
who did it help? materially? directly and indirectly?
Do u wish to know someone who is totally brainwashed by some therapy method?
Do u want to date a psychiatrist?
If one substance is allowed , it should be every. Stephen , i remeber u
mentioned coke .
I ve heard u can got hooked to it too.
ps : I barely touched marijuana , but stories of Ritalin are really bad :S
Eva
I would like to know whether other autistic/aspie adults share my experience
of it. Thanks, Eva
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"Eva" <EvaDStr...@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> ....I personally can't tolerate the stuff. I never could.
astri
> I posted the following in the thread about "giving autistic kids
> marijuana." I would like to know whether other autistic/aspie adults
> share my experience of it. Thanks, Eva
i'm sensory defensive
never tried pot or any other street drugs
don't like how alcohol feels at all
or prescription drugs that affect sensory perceptions
yuck
-- astri
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Arak
>
> A lot of autistic people have sensory defensiveness, and it would be a big
> mistake to give them marijuana thinking it would make them calm and happy.
> You might instead see the mother of all meltdowns.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
> Eva
I have a similar reaction. I feel dizzy, paranoid and my senses
heighten even more if I take marijuana, which is not good. That's why
I couldn't stand the stuff when I did try it and won't do any form of
illegal drug. (Heck, I have bad enough reactions to the legal ones!)
It did make me hungry, but it does that to most people.
Arak /|\
Stephen Wilson
"Phil Carmody" <thefatphi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rubbish. No physician prescribes it to their patients. There is only
anecdotal claims from patients who tried it. And the tremors caused by
Parkinson's are due to a different mechanism than those caused by marijuana.
>> giving you nausea,
>
> Yet it's used medically to treat nausea
I'd love to know which doctors you know of who prescribe marijuana.
>> headaches,
>
> Yet it's used medically to treat headaches
You're making this up. Go on then. You've made the claim. Now back it up.
Money where your mouth is. Reference one study - anywhere - that supports
such a statement.
>> decreased co-ordination
>
> Yet it's used medically to treat various movement disorders
No it's not.
>> breathing problems,
>
> Yet it's used medically to treat asthma
No it's not.
>> increased appetite,
>
> What's wrong in that? As long as you balance your calorie intake
> with expenditure, there's no problem at all. All those sports stars
> you see on telly - they have huge appetites.
Big appetite in a sports star is completely different to a big appetite in
someone with normal activity levels.
>> reduced blood flow to the brain
>
> Yet it's used medically to treat high blood pressure
No it's not.
>> and issues with reproductive organs.
>
> Yet it's used medically to treat high blood pressure, a major cause of
> erectile disfunction.
No it's not.
> And who would care if it were to cause decreased fertility - you're
> posting to alt.support.childfree, if you hadn't realised?
This is cross-posted if you hadn't realised.
Phil Carmody
'caused by marijuana' - your comprehension skills are pretty poor ...
>>> giving you nausea,
>>
>> Yet it's used medically to treat nausea
>
> I'd love to know which doctors you know of who prescribe marijuana.
The queen of fucking England used to know them. I trust they
were the finest money could buy.
>>> headaches,
>>
>> Yet it's used medically to treat headaches
>
> You're making this up. Go on then. You've made the claim. Now back it up.
> Money where your mouth is. Reference one study - anywhere - that supports
> such a statement.
Just start with wikipedia. I normally deride that as a source, but
as a tertiary source it's pretty OK. Work your way up the tree to
secondaries and primaries.
>>> decreased co-ordination
>>
>> Yet it's used medically to treat various movement disorders
>
> No it's not.
see above
>>> breathing problems,
>>
>> Yet it's used medically to treat asthma
>
> No it's not.
see above.
And I personally used to know one person who was prescribed THC
pills for asthma, your disbelief renders you groundless.
>>> increased appetite,
>>
>> What's wrong in that? As long as you balance your calorie intake
>> with expenditure, there's no problem at all. All those sports stars
>> you see on telly - they have huge appetites.
>
> Big appetite in a sports star is completely different to a big appetite in
> someone with normal activity levels.
>
>>> reduced blood flow to the brain
>>
>> Yet it's used medically to treat high blood pressure
>
> No it's not.
See above. Focus on ones containing the word 'hypostensive', 'tain't
rocket science.
>>> and issues with reproductive organs.
>>
>> Yet it's used medically to treat high blood pressure, a major cause of
>> erectile disfunction.
>
> No it's not.
See above
>> And who would care if it were to cause decreased fertility - you're
>> posting to alt.support.childfree, if you hadn't realised?
>
> This is cross-posted if you hadn't realised.
Of course it's crossposted, you fucknut, I was and am perfectly
aware of that. However, given that it was you who posted something
pro-fertility to a.s.cf, you remain the one who is inviting derision.
Which I gladly provide. I gladly provide it to all idiots.
Stephen Wilson
>>>
>>> Yet it's used medically for Parkinson's disease
>>
>> Rubbish. No physician prescribes it to their patients. There is only
>> anecdotal claims from patients who tried it. And the tremors caused by
>> Parkinson's are due to a different mechanism than those caused by
>> marijuana.
>
> 'caused by marijuana' - your comprehension skills are pretty poor ...
'caused by marijuana'. Yes. That is what I said. Smoking marijuana can cause
people to shake. You seem to be the one with the comprehension issue here.
>>>> giving you nausea,
>>>
>>> Yet it's used medically to treat nausea
>>
>> I'd love to know which doctors you know of who prescribe marijuana.
>
> The queen of fucking England used to know them. I trust they
> were the finest money could buy.
I think you've smoked one too many.
>>>> headaches,
>>>
>>> Yet it's used medically to treat headaches
>>
>> You're making this up. Go on then. You've made the claim. Now back it up.
>> Money where your mouth is. Reference one study - anywhere - that supports
>> such a statement.
>
> Just start with wikipedia. I normally deride that as a source, but
> as a tertiary source it's pretty OK. Work your way up the tree to
> secondaries and primaries.
I just tried wikipedia. No mention there that cannabis has ever been used to
treat headaches, apart from a solitary mention of its use in ancient india.
Here's just one excerpt from the Independent: "Cannabis should not be
legalised for most pain relief because it is no more effective than codeine
painkillers and could lead to severe side-effects, doctors report today. But
the doctors, from Britain and Switzerland, call for more research on using
cannabis for chronic pain. They say, in the British Medical Journal, that
cannabinoids the active substance have no benefit for people suffering
headaches and post-operative pain."
I stand by my statement.
<snip>
>>> Yet it's used medically to treat asthma
>>
>> No it's not.
>
>see above.
>
>And I personally used to know one person who was prescribed THC
>pills for asthma, your disbelief renders you groundless.
Bollocks. Marijuana often makes asthma worse. THC is a chemical that can be
extracted from cannabis. It can also be synthesised. Being prescribed THC is
a different matter altogether from being prescribed marijuana..
>
> Of course it's crossposted, you fucknut, I was and am perfectly
> aware of that. However, given that it was you who posted something
> pro-fertility to a.s.cf, you remain the one who is inviting derision.
>
> Which I gladly provide. I gladly provide it to all idiots.
Predictable response. One thing I've learned is there's no point trying to
reason with a dopehead.
Have a nice day!
Stephen Wilson
"Philip W Lee" <a...@lee-family.me.uk> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> Yet it's used medically to treat headaches
>>>>
>>>> You're making this up. Go on then. You've made the claim. Now back it
>>>> up.
>>>> Money where your mouth is. Reference one study - anywhere - that
>>>> supports
>>>> such a statement.
>>>
>>> Just start with wikipedia. I normally deride that as a source, but
>>> as a tertiary source it's pretty OK. Work your way up the tree to
>>> secondaries and primaries.
>>
>>I just tried wikipedia. No mention there that cannabis has ever been used
>>to
>>treat headaches, apart from a solitary mention of its use in ancient
>>india.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis
> "Cannabis as a medicine became common throughout much of the Western
> world by the 19th century. It was used as the primary pain reliever
> until the invention of aspirin."
> Queen Victoria was given Cannabis by her doctor for the treatment of
> period pain.
OK... and the word "headache" appears... where?
> The principle reason it was made (and remains) illegal is that it's
> difficult for drug companies to make money from it.
There's plenty of money to be made from it. If it really was so beneficial,
do you think the government would think twice about treating it the same way
as alcohol and tobacco? Meanwhile the main people who benefit are illegal
drug pushers. Which is actually one reason I think it should be made legal.
That way, people who want marijuana wouldn't have to get it from a supplier
who's keen on getting people hooked on whatever will make them the most
profit.
>>
>>Predictable response. One thing I've learned is there's no point trying to
>>reason with a dopehead.
>>
> But you aren't "reasoning", are you?
> You're not even comprehending!
Want to think that over again? This thread all began because someone asked
whether marijuana could help children with autism. I'm sure that if I had a
condition that I thought it would help, I'd give it a go. But I don't think
it's a suitable treatment for children with autism. And I don't think
prolonged use does anybody any good.
Yet you've turned the thread into ways of justifying your own use.
tom c
>
> I'd love to know which doctors you know of who prescribe marijuana.
>
>>> headaches,
>>
>> Yet it's used medically to treat headaches
>
> You're making this up. Go on then. You've made the claim. Now back it up.
> Money where your mouth is. Reference one study - anywhere - that supports
> such a statement.
Some links Nevada State Medical Marijuana Program:
http://health.nv.gov/MedicalMarijuana.htm
http://health.nv.gov/MedicalMarijuana_FAQ.htm
"7) Who can ingest medical marijuana?
Under NRS 453A, only a person with a qualifying debilitating medical
condition who has obtained a valid Nevada Medical Marijuana Program card is
excepted from criminal laws of the state for engaging in the medical use of
marijuana as justified to mitigate the symptoms or effects of the person's
debilitating medical condition."
http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=2046
http://www.medicalmarijuanareferrals.com/
As for studies the OP is on his own.
tom c
Stephen Wilson
> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> considered
> It's further down in the same paragraph, specifically migraines.
> The fact that it was the primary pain reliever of it's day should give
> a pretty good clue though.
Pain relief is one thing. Headaches are another. I accept that there have
been claims that cannabis helps certain people with certain conditions (eg
arthritis). I don't accept it's particularly good for them and it doesn't
improve their condition, but may offer temporary relief from certain
symptoms (but in doing so may cause additional symptoms).
Besides, the link you've provided is confined to pain relief in the 19th
century, and doesn't provide much in the way of backing citations. Doctors
back then used a number of things to treat conditions that we wouldn't dream
of using today. I'd like to think we've made a little progress since then,
both in terms of medication and knowledge of whether it's particularly
effective and what the long term effects are.
The fact remains that you claimed cannibis is "used medically to treat
headaches", and yet all you've found to back up this claim is a tenuous
mention to pain relief in the 19th century.
>>> The principle reason it was made (and remains) illegal is that it's
>>> difficult for drug companies to make money from it.
>>
>>There's plenty of money to be made from it.
>
> Not by business unless you can patent it.
You can make a profit out of anything if there's sufficient demand for it.
You can't patent carrots. People sell carrots. The patent for aspirin
expired years ago - the only thing patented there is the name, and then only
in certain countries. And that's sold in large quantities.
>> If it really was so
>> beneficial,
>>do you think the government would think twice about treating it the same
>>way
>>as alcohol and tobacco?
>
> But then they wouldn't get their nice non-executive directorships
> after we sling them out of power.
> You think we live in a democracy?
> If we did, it would never have been outlawed in the first place.
Better the government we have now than anarchy.
Can you really imagine what the country would be like if people took
cannabis freely? People driving around, pleasantly stoned. "Oh, I just ran
someone over. Never mind!" Or others who have become fearful and paranoid.
While one user just sits in a corner giggling to themselves, another suffers
hallucinations, and another suffers anxiety and depression. And this is
before you address any physical health risks.
It wasn't outlawed for completely random reasons. It was made illegal to
help protect some people from themselves, and also to protect the general
public from the actions of other people.
>> Meanwhile the main people who benefit are
>> illegal
>>drug pushers. Which is actually one reason I think it should be made
>>legal.
>>That way, people who want marijuana wouldn't have to get it from a
>>supplier
>>who's keen on getting people hooked on whatever will make them the most
>>profit.
>>
> Wow, who'd have thought that prohibition could play into the hands of
> organised crime!
Yes, OK, we know that's one of the dangers. Everything has its pros and
cons.
>>>>Predictable response. One thing I've learned is there's no point trying
>>>>to
>>>>reason with a dopehead.
>>>>
>>> But you aren't "reasoning", are you?
>>> You're not even comprehending!
>>
>>Want to think that over again? This thread all began because someone asked
>>whether marijuana could help children with autism. I'm sure that if I had
>>a
>>condition that I thought it would help, I'd give it a go. But I don't
>>think
>>it's a suitable treatment for children with autism. And I don't think
>>prolonged use does anybody any good.
>
> I'd say that http://www.autism.com/treatable/drug/marijuana_org.htm
> gives some guidance on that.
You would? I can see a few comments there from anonymous sources. I can't
see a link to a single study, no scientific review, no summary listing any
pros or cons. In short, the guidance is non-existent.
>>Yet you've turned the thread into ways of justifying your own use.
>>
> Since I don't use it, that's a bit of a stretch.
>
> I have in the past, and found it helpful. I haven't for many years.
> When it's made legal I'll be self-medicating again, which will (from
> experience) help with sleep, sensory issues, anxiety and aggression.
> It does so with less side effects than anything else I know.
If it works for you, go ahead. But don't pretend there are no dangers, that
because you don't get any side effects obvious to yourself that no-one else
will, or that just because it's a plant it's any better for you than a
synthetic drug.
As for self-medication, you can't regulate for strength, purity, quantity,
etc. And there's a big difference between you taking it as a consenting
adult, and a parent giving it to their child.
For anyone looking for some more definitive advice, there's what looks like
a useful (and unbiased) summary at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4583648.stm
Phil Carmody
> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> considered
> Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:58:00 -0000 the perfect time to write:
>
>>
>>"Phil Carmody" <thefatphi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:87ocnc9...@kilospaz.fatphil.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet it's used medically for Parkinson's disease
>>>>
>>>> Rubbish. No physician prescribes it to their patients. There is only
>>>> anecdotal claims from patients who tried it. And the tremors caused by
>>>> Parkinson's are due to a different mechanism than those caused by
>>>> marijuana.
>>>
>>> 'caused by marijuana' - your comprehension skills are pretty poor ...
>>
>>'caused by marijuana'. Yes. That is what I said. Smoking marijuana can cause
>>people to shake. You seem to be the one with the comprehension issue here.
Marijuanam, if used in appropriate quantities, more often stops you
shaking. It quite literally does the opposite of Parkinson's disease.
>>>>>> giving you nausea,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet it's used medically to treat nausea
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to know which doctors you know of who prescribe marijuana.
>>>
>>> The queen of fucking England used to know them. I trust they
>>> were the finest money could buy.
>>
>>I think
That's not in evidence.
>>you've smoked one too many.
>>
>>>>>> headaches,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet it's used medically to treat headaches
>>>>
>>>> You're making this up. Go on then. You've made the claim. Now back it up.
>>>> Money where your mouth is. Reference one study - anywhere - that supports
>>>> such a statement.
>>>
>>> Just start with wikipedia. I normally deride that as a source, but
>>> as a tertiary source it's pretty OK. Work your way up the tree to
>>> secondaries and primaries.
>>
>>I just tried wikipedia. No mention there that cannabis has ever been used to
>>treat headaches, apart from a solitary mention of its use in ancient india.
>
> You need to look more carefully. From
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis
> "Cannabis as a medicine became common throughout much of the Western
> world by the 19th century. It was used as the primary pain reliever
> until the invention of aspirin."
> Queen Victoria was given Cannabis by her doctor for the treatment of
> period pain.
Not just period pain, but also travel sickness. She was allegedly
one pukey motherfucker.
> The principle reason it was made (and remains) illegal is that it's
> difficult for drug companies to make money from it.
Unless they're the only ones who can peddle it. If you look at the
history of (il)legalisation, they were still pushing the stuff like
there was no tomorrow, and certainly didn't want cheap alternatives
to be available elsewhere.
>>Here's just one excerpt from the Independent: "Cannabis should not be
>>legalised for most pain relief because it is no more effective than codeine
>>painkillers and could lead to severe side-effects, doctors report today. But
>>the doctors, from Britain and Switzerland, call for more research on using
>>cannabis for chronic pain. They say, in the British Medical Journal, that
>>cannabinoids the active substance have no benefit for people suffering
>>headaches and post-operative pain."
>>
>>I stand by my statement.
>>
>><snip>
>
> <irony>
> Of course, modern medicine isn't influenced at all by the need for Big
> Pharma to make money, is it?
> </irony>
>>
>>>>> Yet it's used medically to treat asthma
>>>>
>>>> No it's not.
>>>
>>>see above.
>>>
>>>And I personally used to know one person who was prescribed THC
>>>pills for asthma, your disbelief renders you groundless.
>>
>>Bollocks. Marijuana often makes asthma worse. THC is a chemical that can be
>>extracted from cannabis. It can also be synthesised. Being prescribed THC is
>>a different matter altogether from being prescribed marijuana..
>
> Indeed - studies have shown it to be less effective.
I don't know about that, but I do know that some are prescribed
governmentally-approved spliffs as I've seen them on documentaries.
So they're both used, at least in the US.
>>> Of course it's crossposted, you fucknut, I was and am perfectly
>>> aware of that. However, given that it was you who posted something
>>> pro-fertility to a.s.cf, you remain the one who is inviting derision.
>>>
>>> Which I gladly provide. I gladly provide it to all idiots.
>>
>>Predictable response. One thing I've learned is there's no point trying to
>>reason with a dopehead.
>
> But you aren't "reasoning", are you?
> You're not even comprehending!
Indeed. I also like the presumption that because I am prepared to defend
the use of medical marijuana I must be some kind of drug user, and thence
that my arguments must be false. I forget which combination of logical
fallacies that must be, but for brevity I'll dub it /argumentum ex rectum/.
I think I'm the only person (OK, 2 of us, my g/f accompanied) I know of
in my age-group who has recently taken a long weekend to Amsterdam, where
I had nothing but free time, and not stepped foot inside a single coffee
shop. If I'm a 'dopehead', then I can only conclude in Stephen Wilson's
fucked up little world, The Pope's a buddhist too.
Phil Carmody
> "Philip W Lee" <a...@lee-family.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:irhgf558ta6cur5jr...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet it's used medically to treat headaches
>>>>>
>>>>> You're making this up. Go on then. You've made the claim. Now back it
>>>>> up.
>>>>> Money where your mouth is. Reference one study - anywhere - that
>>>>> supports
>>>>> such a statement.
>>>>
>>>> Just start with wikipedia. I normally deride that as a source, but
>>>> as a tertiary source it's pretty OK. Work your way up the tree to
>>>> secondaries and primaries.
>>>
>>>I just tried wikipedia. No mention there that cannabis has ever been used
>>>to
>>>treat headaches, apart from a solitary mention of its use in ancient
>>>india.
>>
>> You need to look more carefully. From
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis
>> "Cannabis as a medicine became common throughout much of the Western
>> world by the 19th century. It was used as the primary pain reliever
>> until the invention of aspirin."
>> Queen Victoria was given Cannabis by her doctor for the treatment of
>> period pain.
>
> OK... and the word "headache" appears... where?
Practically everywhere there's a mention of high blood pressure
symptoms, usually at the top of the list.
Please stop flaunting your ignorance so publically, it's not
becoming.
Phil Carmody
> The patent for aspirin
> expired years ago - the only thing patented there is the name
Oh, man, that's hilarious.
elizabeth
<stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Philip W Lee" <a...@lee-family.me.uk> wrote in messagenews:o0vhf51vkvbodj0rb...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > gives some guidance on that.
>
> You would? I can see a few comments there from anonymous sources. I can't
> see a link to a single study, no scientific review, no summary listing any
> pros or cons. In short, the guidance is non-existent.
>
> >>Yet you've turned the thread into ways of justifying your own use.
>
> > Since I don't use it, that's a bit of a stretch.
>
> > I have in the past, and found it helpful. I haven't for many years.
> > When it's made legal I'll be self-medicating again, which will (from
> > experience) help with sleep, sensory issues, anxiety and aggression.
> > It does so with less side effects than anything else I know.
>
> If it works for you, go ahead. But don't pretend there are no dangers, that
> because you don't get any side effects obvious to yourself that no-one else
> will, or that just because it's a plant it's any better for you than a
> synthetic drug.
>
> As for self-medication, you can't regulate for strength, purity, quantity,
> etc. And there's a big difference between you taking it as a consenting
> adult, and a parent giving it to their child.
>
> For anyone looking for some more definitive advice, there's what looks like
>
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It's pretty clear you're a dope, but haven't smoked any. Your loss.
So, if you can't blame your stupidity on pot, what caused it?
Stephen Wilson
>>
>> OK... and the word "headache" appears... where?
>
> Practically everywhere there's a mention of high blood pressure
> symptoms, usually at the top of the list.
And with that comment, you've demonstrated your complete lack of any medical
knowledge. Well done!
> Please stop flaunting your ignorance so publically, it's not
> becoming.
Physician - heal thyself.
This isn't for your benefit, but for anyone else reading this rubbish...
Most people with high blood pressure have no more headaches than anyone
else. If they do get a headache, it's not because of their blood pressure.
Stephen Wilson
>
>It's pretty clear you're a dope, but haven't smoked any. Your loss.
Yeah? Whatever you say darlin'.
Stephen Wilson
> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>> The patent for aspirin
>> expired years ago - the only thing patented there is the name
>
>
> Oh, man, that's hilarious.
Oh yeah, laughing boy? So what's so funny? Can't be your stupidity. That's
pretty sad. Or would be if you were aware of it...
tom c
>
> This isn't for your benefit, but for anyone else reading this rubbish...
> Most people with high blood pressure have no more headaches than anyone
> else. If they do get a headache, it's not because of their blood pressure.
>
>
http://highbloodpressure.about.com/od/associatedproblems/a/headaches.htm
High blood pressure is commonly referred to as a "silent disease," because
it typically doesn't announce itself with any hallmark signs and has no
universal symptoms. In spite of this, there are a very few symptoms that,
together with warning signs in the medical history, usually make a doctor
suspect high blood pressure. Among these, recurrent or worsening headache
had been the closest thing to a "real" high blood pressure symptom.
http://www.depression-guide.com/headaches/high-blood-pressure-headache.htm
Is Headache Related to Increases of Blood Pressure?
Headache is generally regarded as being a symptom of high blood pressure,
although it is also stated that hypertension is the "silent killer". Many
people who have high blood pressure think that when they get a headache it
means that their pressure has gone up. The problem here is that both
headache and high blood pressure are very common, which means that it is
certainly true that the two occur together, but what exactly is the
connection?
There is some evidence from other studies that people with hypertension are
more likely to have migraine headaches, and also some reports that some of
the blood pressure lowering drugs such as calcium channel blockers and
beta-blockers are effective for treating these. Again, this may not
necessarily a result of a lower blood pressure. The message here is that if
you have hypertension and are getting headaches, it does not mean that your
blood pressure out of control, and that the best treatment for the headache
may be the traditional pain killers such as aspirin.
Blood Pressure Drugs Prevent Headaches
A provocative new study shows four completely different classes of these
drugs prevent headaches. That suggests an obvious conclusion to researcher
Malcolm Law, FRCP, professor of epidemiology at the University of London.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000701.htm
The number one symptom of Subarachnoid hemorrhage is headache with elevated
blood pressure.
Symptoms
The main symptom is a severe headache that starts suddenly and is often
worse near the back of the head. Patients often describe it as the "worst
headache ever" and unlike any other type of headache pain. The headache may
start after a popping or snapping feeling in the head.
Other symptoms:
a.. Sudden or decreased consciousness and alertness
b.. Difficulty or loss of movement or feeling
c.. Mood and personality changes, including confusion and irritability
d.. Muscle aches (especially neck pain and shoulder pain)
e.. Nausea and vomiting
f.. Photophobia (light bothers or hurts the eyes)
g.. Seizure
h.. Stiff neck
i.. Vision problems, including double vision, blind spots, or temporary
vision loss in one eye
Additional symptoms that may be associated with this disease:
a.. Eyelid drooping
b.. Eyes, pupils different size
c.. Sudden stiffening of back and neck, with arching of the back
(Opisthotonos; not very common)
d.. Seizures
Pete
WHO CARES?...Pete
Phil Carmody
> "Phil Carmody" <thefatphi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:87bpja5...@kilospaz.fatphil.org...
>> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>> The patent for aspirin
>>> expired years ago - the only thing patented there is the name
>>
>>
>> Oh, man, that's hilarious.
>
> Oh yeah, laughing boy? So what's so funny?
Your willingness to demonstrate your abject ignorance of the
concepts you talk about so publically.
> Can't be your stupidity.
Correct, it can't be my stupidity, as it's clearly your stupidity.
> That's pretty sad. Or would be if you were aware of it...
Even when your mistake brought to your attention you're still
not aware of it. I do feel some sadness, that's true, as it's
almost unfair to enter a battle of wits with someone so ill-
prepared, and in fact witless. But fuck it, if you're set yourself
up as a palooka, I don't mind taking one last jab.
However, as you are incapable of learning, I simply have no more
time for you, and you can join the rest of the idiots in my
killfile.
<splat>
Oooh, you must have landed on your head, that was a very soft
impact.
Stephen Wilson
> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>> "Phil Carmody" <thefatphi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:87bpja5...@kilospaz.fatphil.org...
>>> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>>> The patent for aspirin
>>>> expired years ago - the only thing patented there is the name
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, man, that's hilarious.
>>
>> Oh yeah, laughing boy? So what's so funny?
>
> Your willingness to demonstrate your abject ignorance of the
> concepts you talk about so publically.
Well the point you responded to above infers that you think I'm wrong in
saying that there's no patent on aspirin. Yet the fact is that Bayer
patented aspirin in 1897, and the patent expired in 1930, at which point it
became a generic drug.
So either you're deriding me for being factually correct, or I'm completely
missing your point. If you ever had one to make in the first place...
Stephen Wilson
>
> Even when your mistake brought to your attention you're still
> not aware of it.
That's right. I'm still not aware of it. Which mistake are you talking
about?
> I do feel some sadness, that's true, as it's
> almost unfair to enter a battle of wits with someone so ill-
> prepared, and in fact witless.
"IKYABWAI"?
> However, as you are incapable of learning, I simply have no more
> time for you, and you can join the rest of the idiots in my
> killfile.
Guess I'm in good company then.
Stephen Wilson
> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> considered
> company) can make from a generic is (by their standards) trivial.
>
> To make the kind of money their shareholders expect requires a
> monopoly.
It's true that a drugs company will make most money on a drug that has not
yet become generic. It's also true that someone must be making money out of
aspirin, because it's still widely available. I'm not pretending that drugs
companies are always honest, or necessarily always have good motives. But
there are a few things that you also need to consider. A lot of people who
work for drugs companies aren't just doing it for the money. Many do join
because they have a genuine desire to help make life better for sick people.
Also, the general public expect more and more wonder drugs. The only way to
develop new drugs is to carry out lots of research. And research costs
money.
There's good and bad in every company - drugs companies included. As a
patient, I do my own research. Investigate the pros and cons of whatever
treatment is suggested. At the end of the day, you're the one who has to
take the ultimate responsibility for your health. I've been prescribed drugs
in the past, and I have chosen not to take them. I've had the odd spliff in
my time too. The best policy (IMHO) is to keep a healthy dose of sceptism -
and that applies to conventional medicine but equally to alternative and
complementary medicine. And a good dose of common sense goes a long way too!
Phil Carmody
> company) can make from a generic is (by their standards) trivial.
>
> To make the kind of money their shareholders expect requires a
> monopoly.
No, the point was that "the only thing patented there is the name"
is the dumbest thing I've heard on usenet all week. Trademarks are
not patents.
"jordy"
> On Nov 3, 11:28 am, chessucat <chessu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > X-No-Archive: yes
>
> > This mom says giving her kid pot has made all the difference.
>
> > Gina Kaysen Fernandes: As the mother of an autistic child, Marie Myung-
> > Ok Lee is navigating uncharted territory as she struggles to manage
> > her son's condition. She has bravely come forward to share her son's
> > battle with this mysterious disorder, and to discuss how medical
> > marijuana has brought them both back from the brink of despair.
>
> >http://www.momlogic.com/2009/11/can_marijuana_help_kids_with_autism.php
>
> > dope 'em up and throw away the key
>
> > <chessucat flaps hand>
>
> Pot is far less harmful than Ritalin. Sheesh.
I always wish that I could handle pot and other recreational drugs.
the problem is that I'm in my own world too much as it is... pot, for
example,
just causes me to go even further into my own world...