9/11 OT
Tim Bruening
of the zaniest ideas I have ever seen: An online futures market in
terrorism! Speculators would have been able to buy futures contracts
that would pay off in the event of such things as the assassination of
Yassar Arafat, a biological attack on Israel, or a North Korean missile
attack. The Pentagon said that such futures trading had proven
effective in predicting oil prices and elections, and that futures
markets are often better at predicting things than experts. However,
the idea has been dropped after withering criticism from Senators Byron
Dorgan (D-N.D.) and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.). They called it grotesque and
morally repugnant, and worried that terrorists might take advantage of
the terrorism futures market (We're going to bomb the Washington
Monument next month. Please buy 10,000 "Bombing of Washington Monument"
futures contracts!).
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visas to appear at one of 221 American embassies or consulates for a
face to face interview go into effect.
The California Chamber of Commerce warns that longer waits for visas
could discourage tourists from visiting California. A San Francisco
attorney reports that many of her immigrant clients are canceling trips
overseas to avoid being trapped outside the U.S. A Sacramento
immigration attorney predicts that the requirements will keep immigrants
and their love ones apart.
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Congressional 9/11 report, it says that two Saudi citizens (Omar
al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassnan) with at least direct links with two
hijackers were probably Saudi intelligence agents and may have
reported to other Saudi government officials. Its unclear whether the
report suggests that said Saudis were spying on the hijackers or
collaborating with them.
This would explain why the U.S. is reluctant to declassify that
section of the report: It doesn't know which Saudi officials can be
trusted with that section!
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cut the air marshal program by 20%, at a time when the Homeland Security
Department is warning of new threats against airplanes. The TSA as also
delivered only 2% of the money set aside to automate baggage bomb
screening.
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identified as a likely Saudi operative who befriended two 9/11 hijackers.
Omar denied any advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks.
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doesn't have an extradition treaty with the U.S.
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Red: Communists are a foot.
Orange: Beware of highwaymen.
Yellow: Beware of cowards.
Green: Eco-terrorists in the vicinity.
Blue: Danger of depression.
Purple: Danger of royalists.
Brown: Caution: Polluters!
Tim Bruening
Tim Bruening wrote:
I would therefore suggest giving those classified pages only to Saudi
officials we are certain can be trusted.
Tim Bruening
to terrorists in the U.S.
Meanwhile, Hamas has violated its truce by conducting a suicide bombing.
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Russians supplied the British arms dealer with a shoulder fired missile,
and FBI undercover agents posed as terrorists and offered to buy the
missile.
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their names on a terrorist related no-fly list. The men roused suspicions
by buying one way tickets to New york with cash.
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arms, and sophisticated equipment.
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200 suspects in 15 raids.
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Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002 will apply to the UCD
Biodefense Lab. It prohibits disclosure of information about select disease
organisms, about the researchers using said organisms, and about releases of
said organisms. Anyone disclosing such information can be fined or jailed.
Thus, the public will have no way of knowing which very dangerous diseases
are being worked on, or know for sure that bioweapons aren't being made in
the biolab.
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victims of the 1988 Pan Am 103 bombing may finally persuade the U.S. to
life its sanctions.
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arrested and taken to an undisclosed location to be interrogated by the
Americans.
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lab) are circulating a community resolution declaring that they oppose
the lab because:
I. It makes Davis and UCD terrorist targets (In May, a letter containing
powder was mailed from overseas to the City Manager's office).
II. Deadly pathogens (such as anthrax, smallpox, Ebola, hantavirus,
ricin toxin, rabies, and drug resistant TB) studied at the lab could
infect the public. This isn't as far fetches as it might seem. The
anthrax spores that were mailed to U.S. Senator Tom Daschle, NBC News
anchor Tom Brokaw, and several others have been genetically matched to
anthrax spores at the Biosafety Level Four lab at Fort Detrick, MD and
several other labs. This strongly indicates that even Level 4 Biosafety
labs can have security breaches. Also, some of the biological agents
are transported to and from BSL4 labs by "common carriers" such as
Federal Express (when the germs absolutely, positively, have to get
there overnight!). On March 19 of this year, a FedEx package containing
tissue infected with live West Nile virus en route to a Texas lab,
popped (due to CO2 pressure from dry ice) in a Columbus, Ohio shipping
center. Cleanup crews were not informed that the sample contained live
West Nile virus.
III. Under the Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and
Response Act of 2002, research and accidental releases at the lab will
be kept secret from the public. Thus the public won't be able to know
how much danger it is in.
IV. Moreover, without public oversight, nothing would prevent the lab
from creating biological weapons in violation of the Biological Weapons
Convention.
V. The Homeland Security Department will set research priorities, and
the Defense Department will conduct research and have access to the
lab. This increases the probability that bioweapons will be created.
VI. UCD and Davis will be subjected to a new, alien culture of security
that eschews openness, freedom of movement, creative research, and
socially productive community life.
For more info, see the Stop UCD BioLab Now! website (www.simpalife.com).
Tim Bruening
flying drones to count illegal aliens crossing the Mexican border into
the U.S. I suggest using such drones in Iraq to watch out for
saboteurs attacking key infrastructure targets, or look for Weapons Of
Mass Destruction (TM).
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Tim Bruening wrote:
I hope they don't think of arming the drones!
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Thursday have the biomed industry worried that they might by the targets
of animal rights terrorists. Some in the industry speculate that animal
rights activists targeted Citron because its linked to an animal testing
lab on the East Coast.
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transcripts from and near the World Trade Center during the September 11
terrorist attacks. They are mostly chilling calls from people trapped
in the WTC.
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allegedly funnel money to terrorist groups. Why didn't it do so YEARS
ago?
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Undercover LA police officers posed as citizens trying to report police
misconduct, but their complaints were ignored by LA police officers.
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and 74 others. Meanwhile, Afghan soldiers battled with Taliban fighters
in southern Afghanistan.
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have arrested 19.
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assassinated cleric are vowing revenge. Since Saddam supporters are
suspected of setting off the car bomb, that means that we may have an
anti-Saddam jihad!
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Tim Bruening wrote:
A suicide bomber killed 6 at a bus stop in Israel today, while soldiers were
waiting for a bus. He's the smartest suicide bomber I've heard about for a
while (IMHO, its a good idea to target the enemy's military so that it can't
fight back).
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> The death toll in the Najaf car bombing is up to 85. Iraqi authorities
> have arrested 19.
The last I heard, it was up to 125.
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in Florida when he woke me up to tell me about the terrorist attacks on
the World Trade Center and Pentagon. I got the impression that the
White House was in danger too.
Where were you that terrible day?
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Center and Pentagon, today is the 30th anniversary of the Pinochet coup
in Chile, and the 85th anniversary of 4,000 U.S. troops arriving in
Russia to try to overthrow that country's government.
Lawrence Foard
Back in my old apartment in San Francisco. Tonight I'm in a hotel in
New Jersey, you can see the lights that are where the towers used to
be from the front parking lot.
--
Be a counter terrorist perpetrate random senseless acts of kindness
Rave: Immanentization of the Eschaton in a Temporary Autonomous Zone.
We are nothing but sunlight detours, in the road between fusion and eternity.
Tim Bruening
Tim Bruening wrote:
Yesterday, I saw American flags on the sidewalks in downtown Davis, and
heard "Proud To Be An American" at my dentist's office. My teeth are
great!
I helped to assemble the comics pre-pack for the Sunday Enterprise.
Assemble: To build a male cow.
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lawyers the power to issue administrative subpoenas, allow the JD to
hold terrorism suspects without bail (without having to prove to a judge
that the suspect is dangerous or a flight risk), and make more
terrorism-related crimes subject to the death penalty.
That last provision doesn't sound like it would be very effective, given
the willingness of Al-Qaida terrorists to commit suicide in spectacular
manners!
Tim Bruening
immigration practices are hindering scientific research. Many
foreigners who would otherwise be conducting scientific research in the
U.S. have had visa problems, and/or have been barred from sensitive
subject matters (such as disease research). Foreigners from Syria,
Iran, Iraq, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, and Sudan are prohibited from
working with 82 disease agents classified as potential bioweapons
agents. So are convicted felons, people under indictment, and those
with a dishonorable military discharge. Researchers who are allowed to
work with those substances must undergo FBI background checks and bar
unauthorized personnel from their labs. In response to those
restrictions, biologist Daniel Protnoy destroyed all his bubonic plague
samples, some going back 20 years, so that the FBI wouldn't hassle him.
32 scientists and editors connected to some of America's most
prestigious scientific journals have agreed to self censor any
scientific advances that might threaten national security.
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Tim Bruening wrote:
Israel has vowed to oust Yassar Arafat. IMHO, we should cut off aid to Israel
unless it freezes its settlements and unfreezes Arafat.
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debris pile cooked together the components of the buildings and their contents,
including huge numbers of computers, and emitted gases of toxic metals, acids, and
organics for at least 6 weeks, and also emitted fine aerosol particles. These
pollutants are capable of penetrating and damaging human lungs, and entering into
the blood stream. Many people who worked at the debris pile have suffered health
problems since.
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able to sneak weapons past screeners, according to Rep. John Mica
(R-Fla) on Friday. He asked the GAO to compare federal screeners to
private ones, but the GAO found little difference.
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reported cases of persistent coughs, wheezing, shortness of breath, and
sinus inflammation to the World Trade Center health registry. Up to 500
Fire Department employees may have to retire early due to breathing
problems.
In October 2001, the UCD air quality study group, led by James Cahill,
found very high levels of fine metals, sulfuric acid, organic
carcinogens, and very fine insoluble particles such as glass. At the
same time, the EPA was assuring people that the air was safe.
In August, the EPA's inspector general issued a report concluding that
the White House pressured the EPA to issue misleading reassurances that
the air was safe. The White House convinced the EPA to add reassuring
statements and delete cautionary ones by having the National Security
Council control the EPA's communications. In other words, the Bush
Administration hijacked the EPA! For that, Bush should be impeached.
IMHO, forcing the EPA to lie about polluted air that thousands of
patriots are breathing is a "High Crime And Misdemeanor"!
Tim Bruening
Pan Am jet over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, after Libya agreed to pay
the victims' families $2.7 billion.
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Palestinian terrorists who hijacked a Pan Am jet in Pakistan in 1986 and
killed 22. The National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers thinks
it has more to do with Ashcroft's zeal for the death penalty then with
deterring future hijackers.
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SUVs.
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was subdued with the help of passengers and duct tape after wandering
back and forth on the plane, talking, and then moving forward, at which
point the passengers (probably thinking "terrorist") surrounded him and
shoved him to the floor. The man (Brian Kane Eager) was ordered held
for 72 hours for psychological examination. Does anyone here know
Brian? (Might he be on the autistic spectrum?).
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request for $59 million for a Regional Center of Excellence, which would
have done the bulk of the research planned for UCD's proposed biolab.
This is a major blow to the biolab, depriving it of much of its income.
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for detecting biological weapons sued, charging that anthrax and other
lethal substances could be released from the facility into the Bay Area
by an earthquake or terrorists, exposing thousands of Bay Area
residents.
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receive over twice the annual allowed dose of radiation. The worker was
working without forceps or gloves in a glovebox to purify the
radioactive element californium, and received 111 rems (annual allowed
dose is 50) on a hand. This bodes ill for UC's ability to manage the
proposed UCD biolab.
Tim Bruening
Saddam Hussein might have been involved in 9/11, to the astonishment of
intelligence analysts and members of the Bush Administration.
Evidence of such a connection has never been made public, and details
that Cheney has cited to argue for such a connection have been dismissed
by the CIA as not having any basis in truth.
An unnamed senior defense official with access to high-level
intelligence expressed confusion, saying that "There isn't any new
intelligence that would precipitate something like this". Former CIA
counter terrorism specialist was appalled and astounded.
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that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with the September 11 terrorist
attacks. The question now becomes: How in the world did 70% of the
American people become convinced that there was such a link? Who's been
spreading rumors of a Saddam-9/11 link?
Tim Bruening
helped torch the West Covina car dealership last month and committed
vandalism at three other dealerships.
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intelligence analysts have concluded that he is probably sick or
injured, maybe even dead!
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Diego that have burned down 4 homes. The FBI estamates that the ELF
movement has committed 1,000 crimes. I fear that the ELF and Al-Qaida
might join forces, since they both oppose the U.S. government and
American capitalism.
Tim Bruening
(By Caroline Sutton, 1981): An article about how they washed the windows
on the World Trade Center! Each tower had an automatic window washer
resembling a crane. An operator standing on the roof would send the
window washer by remote control down a column of 97 windows (a "bay",
ranging from the 106th floor to the 9th floor). The machine traveled 60
feet/minute while shooting water from a spray nozzle, brushing, and then
vacuuming the windows. It took only 33 minutes to make the round trip.
10 bays could be cleaned in a day, and each tower had 248 bays totaling
over 22,000 windows. However, the machine couldn't be used on the 107th
floor windows, which therefore had to be cleaned by people hanging from
scaffolds with brushes and squeegees. The windows on floors 1-6 were
also washed by hand. Floors 7, 8, 108, and 109 didn't have windows.
Now the automatic window washers are toast!:(
Tim Bruening
However, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said
yesterday that designation as a Regional Center of Excellence is not a
precondition for getting a biolab, so UCD is still in the running.
Tim Bruening
passenger itineraries to a Defense Department contractor (Torch
Concepts), which used that information in a study (titled Homeland
Security: Airline Passenger Risk Assessment) seeking ways to identify
airline customers who are flight risks. The data was not shared with the
government, and has since been destroyed, but the Electronic Privacy
Center may sue.
Tim Bruening
stopped from boarding a plane for Boston at San Francisco International
Airport and detained and questioned by police. They were on the FBI's
no-fly list. They were eventually allowed to board with boarding passes
marked with a huge red "S", the meaning of which was unexplained. They
are suing to find out how they got on the list. They suspect that their
work in publishing the anti-war newspaper War Times got them on that
list. The Transportation Security Administration denies that.
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Washington.
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plan was to hijack 5 planes on each coast, but Osama bin Laden scaled it
down. The planning started in 1996.
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> This just in on CNN: There's a student with a gun inside a school in
> Washington.
This incident has been resolved. The student is in custody.
Tim Bruening
Pakistan by the U.S. for over staying his visa (and fearful of being
persecuted in Pakistan again) has fled to Canada. He is one of many
immigrants to flee the U.S. to avoid being deported for immigration
violations. Even legal immigrants have fled, fearful of being deported
if they register with the government. Such deportations have soared due
to 9/11. Many left after the government targeted a small segment (those
from Muslim nations) of the 7 million illegal immigrants. This is the
first time I have ever heard of large numbers of people FLEEING the U.S.
to escape politically motivated persecution!
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allegedly bringing pipe bombs to two schools, forcing the evacuation of
nearly 700 students. They may not be up to Al-Qaida style terrorism,
but IMHO, bringing pipe bombs to school is terrorism.
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agree to a truce proposed by the incoming Palestinian Prime Minister, or
join the new Palestinian government. That's alright. Israel won't
agree to a truce either!
Tim Bruening
Texas University won biolab grants instead.
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in Florida when he woke me up to tell me about the terrorist attacks on
the World Trade Center and Pentagon. I got the impression that the
White House was in danger too.
Where were you that terrible day?
enigma
news:4142FC7D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:
in NH talking on ICQ to my friend in NYC. i was relaying news,
because they weren't getting much. he lives on upper west
side, so wasn't directly affected. i was also passing info
from him on to some friends in Boston who couldn't reach
family members.
lee
--
It is paradoxical that many educators and parents still
differentiate
between a time for learning and a time for play without seeing
the vital
connection between them. -Leo Buscaglia, author (1924-1998)
Rowe Rickenbacker
Oh yeah! It's 11/9... I didn't notice.
Well, that day I got up as normal, went to school as normal, then got
home and went on the computer as normal, then an American contact told
me that planes had crashed into the WTC. I thought he was kidding, so he
told me to go downstairs and turn on the news, which I did, and was
quite suprised.
To be honest, though, I think a far too big a deal was made of it. Not
to disrespect the dead, but have you seen some of the things the IRA did
in the UK, with American backing?
Rowe
doesn't see anyone invading the RoI anytime soon, y'dig...
Tim Bruening
enigma wrote:
> Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
> news:4142FC7D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:
>
> > Three years ago today, I was sleeping in my stepdad's
> > vacation apartment in Florida when he woke me up to tell me
> > about the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and
> > Pentagon. I got the impression that the White House was in
> > danger too.
> >
> > Where were you that terrible day?
>
> in NH talking on ICQ to my friend in NYC. i was relaying news,
> because they weren't getting much. he lives on upper west
> side, so wasn't directly affected. i was also passing info
> from him on to some friends in Boston who couldn't reach
> family members.
What is ICQ?
Rowe Rickenbacker
> enigma wrote:
>
>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>
>>> Where were you that terrible day?
>>
>> in NH talking on ICQ to my friend in NYC.
>
> What is ICQ?
It's an instant messenger. Vaguely similar to MSN Messenger, but has
been around longer and has a lot more plugins and things. It's now
owned by AOL, though... I'm not sure what's going to happen to it.
Rowe
Sojourner
AOL.....netscape.....microsoft.....what do you think?
=)
Sojo
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>
>>> What is ICQ?
>>
>> It's an instant messenger. <snip> It's now owned by AOL, though...
>> I'm not sure what's going to happen to it.
>
> AOL.....netscape.....microsoft.....what do you think?
AOL, yes. Netscape, yes. Microsoft, no.
I think they're all much of a muchness in the end.
I actually prefer Microsoft to the AOL conglomerate...
It's a shame Apple are best buddies with them, really.
Rowe
Hylander
<WhereAreA...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What is ICQ?
>>
It's whatever you want it to be my child. See, ICQ exists in your
heart and will be there whenever you think good happy thoughts.
I hope this message makes you feel warm and happy inside.
Hylander.
btw, vomitting while laughing isn't fun.
Rowe Rickenbacker
>>>> What is ICQ?
>
> It's whatever you want it to be my child. See, ICQ exists in your
> heart and will be there whenever you think good happy thoughts. I
> hope this message makes you feel warm and happy inside.
Oh, it does, oh mighty Gongawonga.
> btw, vomitting while laughing isn't fun.
Speaking from experience, I imagine?
Rowe
Hylander
<use...@templeofdreams.net> wrote:
>Hylander wrote:
>
>>>>> What is ICQ?
>>
>> It's whatever you want it to be my child. See, ICQ exists in your
>> heart and will be there whenever you think good happy thoughts. I
>> hope this message makes you feel warm and happy inside.
>
>Oh, it does, oh mighty Gongawonga.
thank you. the little guy sends his regards.
>> btw, vomitting while laughing isn't fun.
>
>Speaking from experience, I imagine?
Actually, more like a "near vomit experience".
Hylander
enigma
news:2qhr36F...@uni-berlin.de:
it's been owned by AOL for *years*. i stopped using the
actual client because the built in advertising drove me buggy
(anyone else hate flashing, blinking, moving ads?).
fortunately Trillian doesn't have *any* ads & all my instant
messenger programs are neatly in one spot & i can see who is
on which service (my Tom is currently online in 7 different
IDs, 3 of which are ICQ <g>)
i actually have 4 ICQ IDs, all of which only have 6 digits...
people keep trying to get me to give them up.
lee
Sojourner
>
> AOL, yes. Netscape, yes. Microsoft, no.
>
> I think they're all much of a muchness in the end.
> I actually prefer Microsoft to the AOL conglomerate...
> It's a shame Apple are best buddies with them, really.
>
> Rowe
AOL tried to shaft me once with over $250 dollars in charges back when
they grew so fast. After numerous calls, waiting sometimes two hours to
be talked to, I put in a dispute with my credit card company and won.
They didn't have a leg to stand on.
The small guy can still win.
Sojo
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>
>>> enigma wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Where were you that terrible day?
>>>>
>>>> in NH talking on ICQ to my friend in NYC.
>>>
>>> What is ICQ?
>>
>> It's an instant messenger. Vaguely similar to MSN Messenger, but
>> has been around longer and has a lot more plugins and things. It's
>> now owned by AOL, though... I'm not sure what's going to happen to
>> it.
>
> it's been owned by AOL for *years*.
I know. And I know because I was using ICQ when the changeover happened.
It was about that time that I discovered MSN, and found it easier and
more user-friendly, so stayed with it. I ran them both together for a
while, but I hardly know anyone on ICQ (anymore) who isn't on MSN -
especially since most of them moved to the Microsoft network.
Personally, I prefer Yahoo Messenger, but hardly anyone I know seems to
use that one, unfortunately.
> fortunately Trillian doesn't have *any* ads & all my instant
> messenger programs are neatly in one spot & i can see who is on which
> service (my Tom is currently online in 7 different IDs, 3 of which
> are ICQ <g>)
I used Trillian for a while. Then used Miranda. Miranda is better, IMO.
Yahoo doesn't support third party clients, though, so I just stuck with
the originals. I have MSN, Yahoo, and Skype - MSN nearly always on
"Appear Offline" until an alert appears in the corner saying someone I
want to talk to comes on.
> i actually have 4 ICQ IDs, all of which only have 6 digits... people
> keep trying to get me to give them up.
Wow. I had a 6 digit one, but I forgot the password to it and had lost
the email address ages ago, so I got a new one, but it was longer. The
problem with ICQ numbers is that I can never remember them... if I could
*choose* the number, or it was shorter, then I'd remember it easily -
any numbers over 5 digits I tend to have problems with.
Rowe
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> AOL, yes. Netscape, yes. Microsoft, no.
>>
>> I think they're all much of a muchness in the end. I actually
>> prefer Microsoft to the AOL conglomerate... It's a shame Apple are
>> best buddies with them, really.
>
> AOL tried to shaft me once with over $250 dollars in charges back
> when they grew so fast.
What were they trying to charge you for?
> After numerous calls, waiting sometimes two hours to be talked to, I
> put in a dispute with my credit card company and won. They didn't
> have a leg to stand on.
>
> The small guy can still win.
Damn right. Good on you. I'm smiling, anyway.
Rowe
Sojourner
>
> What were they trying to charge you for?
>
> Rowe
When they were giving out the floppies and a 30 day trial, the contract
said that it was 30 days or so many hours (I can't remember how many).
Anyway, we used way past the hours but within the 30 days. The contract
did not state that the trial period ended on "whichever comes first" so
naturally I took the longer of which ended up being the 30 days.
They later changed the contract and hid the original one I agreed to.
They made it sound almost the same but it was worded differently...just
enough to change the conditions. Thanks to browser caching they weren't
able to pull that one over on me.
They didn't have a leg to stand on.
One can only guess why I am anti-AOL to this day.
There's few things I hate worse than a slick talking saleman, fine print
or other types of deception which is merely disclaimered to the point of
legal exclusion. Fortunately, their contract was too vague to be binding
to their intentions.
Sojo
enigma
> enigma wrote:
Personally, I prefer Yahoo Messenger, but hardly
> anyone I know seems to use that one, unfortunately.
i do :) redenigma
>
>> fortunately Trillian doesn't have *any* ads & all my
>> instant messenger programs are neatly in one spot & i can
>> see who is on which service (my Tom is currently online in
>> 7 different IDs, 3 of which are ICQ <g>)
>
> I used Trillian for a while. Then used Miranda. Miranda is
> better, IMO. Yahoo doesn't support third party clients,
> though, so I just stuck with the originals. I have MSN,
> Yahoo, and Skype - MSN nearly always on "Appear Offline"
> until an alert appears in the corner saying someone I want
> to talk to comes on.
Miranda looks pretty good. i'll probably try it out.
but it's Windoze, i thought you had a Mac?
Yahoo runs ok on Trillian, except when they break it &
Trillian has to make a new patch. it bugs me that they try to
force you to use thier client by breaking it on purpose.
my MSN is usually off. i should put it on appear offline.
it'd be easier to catch my brother online that way... he's
hard to talk to on the phone, his voice is very soft... plus
i'm afraid to call because if his wife answers i'll never get
off the phone. she talks forever!
what's Skype? something else to google....
>
>> i actually have 4 ICQ IDs, all of which only have 6
>> digits... people keep trying to get me to give them up.
>
> Wow. I had a 6 digit one, but I forgot the password to it
> and had lost the email address ages ago, so I got a new
> one, but it was longer. The problem with ICQ numbers is
> that I can never remember them... if I could *choose* the
> number, or it was shorter, then I'd remember it easily -
> any numbers over 5 digits I tend to have problems with.
yeah, i have to ask other people what my ICQs are everytime i
lose them (setting up a new client or computer or after a
crash...), but they all have the same password anyway which is
one of a set of 4 i use for things, so i manage to get it
right eventually :)
lee
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> Personally, I prefer Yahoo Messenger, but hardly anyone I know
>> seems to use that one, unfortunately.
>
> i do :)
You already know I added you :)
>> I used Trillian for a while. Then used Miranda. Miranda is better,
>> IMO. Yahoo doesn't support third party clients, though, so I just
>> stuck with the originals.
>
> Miranda looks pretty good. i'll probably try it out. but it's
> Windoze, i thought you had a Mac?
Not currently on the net. I use the "Family PC" for communication. It
makes downloads more complicated, but Windows XP seems completely
hopeless as far as communication is concerned. At one point I could
share files, when I expressly typed in the name of my laptop as a
network address, but I can't get it to work anymore, and I think there's
no chance that internet-sharing will ever work.
I can disconnect the modem from the PC, then reconnect it to the Mac,
but the effort doesn't seem worth it when I can just access everything
on here (and risk virus attack, etc etc) and keep my Mac clean with just
what I want on it :)
> Yahoo runs ok on Trillian, except when they break it & Trillian has
> to make a new patch. it bugs me that they try to force you to use
> thier client by breaking it on purpose.
Well, I often think of the amount of spam that I used to get on ICQ when
I used it, and yet there's none of that on Yahoo. It's also unfair to
them if you don't let them have their adverts on - sure, they're a big
company, but they still have to make their money *somewhere*.
> my MSN is usually off. i should put it on appear offline.
That's generally what I do. Unfortunately I have a combination of people
who upset me (unintentionally) and people who I would like to talk to.
Sometimes a person is both, but there it gets complicated. Either way...
I tried to get only the people I am happy talking to on my Yahoo
account, but it didn't work out that way. Oh well. I'm not sure how I
want things now... it's not something I can currently get my head round!
> what's Skype? something else to google....
www.skype.com, or something like that. Sojo posted the address - it's
a messenger, but specialises in VoIP. The company makes it's money from
selling credit to call offline numbers through your VoIP client. Quite
a nice idea, especially since the rates seem competitive.
> i have to ask other people what my ICQs are everytime i lose them
> (setting up a new client or computer or after a crash...), but they
> all have the same password anyway which is one of a set of 4 i use
> for things, so i manage to get it right eventually :)
Hm. I might end up with another ICQ number. We'll see.
Rowe
Tim Bruening
Do you claim that the U.S. government provided aid to the IRA? If so,
please post proof.
Rowe Rickenbacker
> Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
>
>> To be honest, though, I think a far too big a deal was made of it.
>> Not to disrespect the dead, but have you seen some of the things
>> the IRA did in the UK, with American backing?
>
> Do you claim that the U.S. government provided aid to the IRA? If
> so, please post proof.
Oh, please.
Are you asking because you couldn't find any,
or because you couldn't be bothered to look?
Rowe
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Feel my soft felt lining and quiver, villain!
Tim Bruening
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> > Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
> >
> >> To be honest, though, I think a far too big a deal was made of it.
> >> Not to disrespect the dead, but have you seen some of the things
> >> the IRA did in the UK, with American backing?
> >
> > Do you claim that the U.S. government provided aid to the IRA? If
> > so, please post proof.
>
> Oh, please.
>
> Are you asking because you couldn't find any,
> or because you couldn't be bothered to look?
Did any Presidents sign any orders authorizing aid to the IRA? Did
any CIA agents provide arms and training to IRA personnel?
Philip W Lee at hyphen dot dot
They turned a blind eye to the IRA fundraising activities for decades;
Sure, it was technically illegal, but that doen't mean much if the law
wasn't enforced, which it wasn't until after 9/11.
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Rowe Rickenbacker
> Did any Presidents sign any orders authorizing aid to the IRA?
Certainly didn't try to stop it. Passive is almost as bad as active,
in such a situation. Hasn't Bush spoken enough about not standing by
watching the poor innocent people being slain by the evil arabs?
Or is it okay for people to do it in the name of Christianity?
> Did any CIA agents provide arms and training to IRA personnel?
Couldn't tell you.
Joel Smith
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
>> Did any Presidents sign any orders authorizing aid to the IRA?
>
> Certainly didn't try to stop it. Passive is almost as bad as active,
> in such a situation. Hasn't Bush spoken enough about not standing by
> watching the poor innocent people being slain by the evil arabs?
My understanding is that most of this happened before the current
presidential term.
--
Joel
Philip W Lee at hyphen dot dot
It wasn't dealt with until after the Al Quaida attrocities, so it
extended through two Bush administrations.
Rowe Rickenbacker
Yes - although it was still going on during Clinton's term, I think.
My point was that while the president may be different, the job
description would not have changed so much in that time! Attempting
to stopping people from being killed, either through food/medical
aid or through force is something the USA has been fond of doing for
years, yet it seems the IRA slipped through the net.
Nick Leverton
Rowe Rickenbacker <use...@templeofdreams.net> wrote:
>> Do you claim that the U.S. government provided aid to the IRA? If
>> so, please post proof.
>
>Oh, please.
>
>Are you asking because you couldn't find any,
>or because you couldn't be bothered to look?
Actually that's an allegation I hadn't heard before, except from folk
who didn't realise IRA on a tax form was an Individual Retirement Account
(pension scheme).
Some American people did, sure. I don't have figures but it was commonly
said that collections - significant sums - were made during "the struggle"
for "the cause". But did their government ?
Nick
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what is normal anyway. Thank you". -- not quite DNA
Loki
news:cikrn1$bdi$1...@warren.leverton.org:
> In article <2r44qtF...@uni-berlin.de>,
> Rowe Rickenbacker <use...@templeofdreams.net> wrote:
>
>>> Do you claim that the U.S. government provided aid to the IRA? If
>>> so, please post proof.
>>
>>Oh, please.
>>
>>Are you asking because you couldn't find any,
>>or because you couldn't be bothered to look?
>
> Actually that's an allegation I hadn't heard before, except from folk
> who didn't realise IRA on a tax form was an Individual Retirement
> Account (pension scheme).
>
> Some American people did, sure. I don't have figures but it was
> commonly said that collections - significant sums - were made during
> "the struggle" for "the cause". But did their government ?
>
> Nick
DeVelera tried to get support from the US government several times and
failed, to the best of my knowledge no one else had any better luck.
Getting money from those who'd left Ireland and their decendents was far
more lucrative for the IRA -- many of those who left Ireland in the 19th
and early 20th centuries were republicans, some even members of the IRB
and IRA.
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2.5. Sanity is shutting down.
Tim Bruening
elections officials. If I were a hard line conservative, I would be
urging that we organize friendly Iraqis to go undercover and wage
guerrilla warfare against the insurgents.
Tim Bruening
Rowe Rickenbacker wrote:
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> > Did any Presidents sign any orders authorizing aid to the IRA?
>
> Certainly didn't try to stop it. Passive is almost as bad as active,
> in such a situation. Hasn't Bush spoken enough about not standing by
> watching the poor innocent people being slain by the evil arabs?
>
> Or is it okay for people to do it in the name of Christianity?
>
> > Did any CIA agents provide arms and training to IRA personnel?
>
> Couldn't tell you.
I was imagining the CIA providing arms and money to the IRA in the same
way it provided arms and money to the Nicaraguan Contras and the Afghan
rebels during the 1980s.
Tim Bruening
simulation of a smallpox terror attack. Within hours, it was obvious
that the situation was out of control, with millions at risk all over
the world.
Tim Bruening
want to engage in terrorism. How do we do that?
Tim Bruening
detainees from hurting themselves, when you don't know how to use anti
psychotic drugs. At Abu Ghraib, the Army didn't provide adequate
medical resources for treating mentally ill detainees (of which there
were many), so guards such as Pfc Lynndie England had to improvise.
This I read in an editorial by M. Gregg Bloche and Jonathan H. Marks,
published in the Sacramento Bee on Feb. 7, and in the New York Times
earlier.
Tim Bruening
Palestinians!