NYU Privacy Complaint Response
Twittering One
Dear Ms. Hooper:
Following up on your concerns and pursuant to your authorization, I
placed phone calls to both Dr. Robin Goodman and Dr. Anita Gurian.
I. Inquiry of Dr. Robin Goodman
In my first conversation with Dr. Goodman, I asked her if any medical
professional had ever given her any oral or written protected health
information or confidential patient information about any individual
who worked or volunteered in the NYU Child Study Center in a situation
in which Dr. Goodman was neither treating nor consulting on the
treatment of such individual. Her initial response was no but that
she would have to think about the question and then get back to me.
At that juncture, I proceeded to tell her that the individual in
question was you, but I did not tell her the nature of the information
or the name of the professional (i.e., Dr. __________) who might have
provided her with such information.
Dr. Goodman called me back a day later, and said she could not recall
anything.
At that time, I told her that the professional might have been
Dr.______________.
Dr. Goodman told me that she does not know who Dr.
_____________ is.
II. Inquiry of Dr. Anita Gurian
I made a separate call to Dr. Anita Gurian. I posed the same initial
question to her, i.e., I asked her if any medical professional (i.e.,
physician, psychiatrist, or psychologist) had ever given her any oral
or written protected health information or confidential patient
information about any individual who worked or volunteered in the NYU
Child Study Center in a situation in which Dr. Gurian was neither
treating nor consulting on the treatment of such individual. Dr.
Gurian's categoric response was that no one has ever given her any oral
or written patient health information about anyone who volunteers or
works at the NYU Child Study Center with respect to whom she is not
personally treating or consulting on the treatment. Given the emphatic
nature of Dr. Gurian's response and the fact that she still works at
the NYU Child Study Center (whereas Dr. Goodman apparently does not), I
saw no purpose in revealing to Dr. Gurian either your name or that of
Dr. ___________.
I do not know what caused you to suspect that Dr. ___________ may have
revealed protected health information about you to either Dr. Goodman
or Dr. Gurian, but I hope that the foregoing alleviates your concern.
I do plan to separately contact Dr. __________, not to discuss you, but
to request that she notify all of her patients to whom she gave an
incorrect "Notice of Privacy Practices Acknowledgment" of the error she
made and to replace it with a correct one.
As you have brought to my
attention and the attention of Dr. Adler and Dr. Cancro, the Notice of
Privacy Practices Acknowledgment that you received from Dr. __________
implies erroneously that her private practice is part of the NYU School
of Medicine Faculty Group--which it is not.
Let me take this opportunity to wish you the best in all your personal
and professional endeavors.
Sincerely,
Mark Steven Brody
Chief Compliance Officer and Privacy Officer
New York University
File: 3.3.17
Twittering One
People die and suffer.
Federal guideslines, ignored.
A lonely grrl,
Somewhere, commits suicide.
It could have been prevented.
That's someone's fault.
That's a failure.
That's illegal.
& it's been
HELL.
FUCK YOU.
No joke.
~ * ~
Blog, or dog? Who knows.
But if you see my lost pup, please bring him home!
I got Leon a brand-new bone.
_________________
http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo
Twittering One
David Schaefer.
Raving Loonie
> ... just ask Dr.
> David Schaefer.
I care Twittering One
I care because I think I understand some of what you have have gone
through
I care because I think that progress can be made on these issues
I care because I think that the progress which might be made is
worthy of making the effort
I care because I think that progess in these things helps everyone
You are one smart cookie, grrl
don't be an ass and toss it
you might gain by it
but the world looses
it would be a waste.
Twittering One
Raving Loonie
> Land.
.. always was
If people who think that they might know better, don't care, plant, and
cultivate then situation is unlikely to get any better by itself ...
Twittering One
.. always was
If people who think that they might know better, don't care, plant, and
cultivate then situation is unlikely to get any better by itself ...
You are RIGHT Raving!
And people neen help and support all the way,
For many reason, both obvious and less obvious.
Twittering One
Is very serious, very damaging.
Pablo
news:1116174286.9...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> An abusive therapeutic situation
> Is very serious, very damaging.
I do not know what happened in your case, but you don't have to rest on what
some information officer says. HIPAA is so new that real questions exist as
to whether care providers are following it correctly. It might not be worth
it to you, but some lawyers are startinng to specialize in HIPAA law.
Violations of HIPAA can be very expensive. If you think you have a case,
you can probably get a free/inexpensive consultation to press the issue. I
know this doesn't address the psychological pain, but it's something.
I realize you don't really care for me, but I don't like to see people
screwed over by systems. I hope you find some relief. Take care.
Pablo
Twittering One
A lot more than that happened, too.
A lot more that is WRONG.
And should NOT happen to anyone, ever again.
I have told my doctors.
I need help pursuing legal action.
Everything is hard for me now.
Pablo
I am sorry to hear this. There is no doubt a statute of limitations, so you
have time to gather yourself a bit. I don't know where you live, but
perhaps your local bar association has a lawyer referral service.
Whatever it was that happened to you, I hope you find relief, whether it be
through the courts or not.
Pablo
Twittering One
I'm afraid no one would believe me, if I told them.
And people keep putting obstacles in front of me,
in my efforts to take action.
I 've been trying to take action for 1 year now.
It's gotten worse, not better.
And no one I tell seems enraged, and they should be.
It makes me numb and dead to have people respond
as if it's neglible.
People need help articulating some things.
Injury will numb a person so badly that they can no longer
stand up for themselves, or protect themselves.
After a while, you begin to feel it's your own fault.
People need to feel emotionally supported,
not a cold blankness.
Keep in mind that HIPPA response also came from
members of the NYU psychiatry department,
where I filed my complaint, based on directions from
the NYU Ethics Committee.
It's a joke, but it's not funny. And it's undermines the profession.
I don't think anyone knows how bad it's been for me.
I can't even say it.
Thanks for your kind words.
Vashti
> I don't think anyone knows how bad it's been for me.
> I can't even say it.
{{{Twittering}}}
I wish I knew of some way to help, I really do! :(
Vashti
Twittering One
I wish I knew of some way to help,
I really do!
~ Vashti
Thanks.
Here in the US, we have well-defined regulations
For the practice of medicine and psychotherapy,
And to protect patient's rights.
Those regulations
Should be followed, regulated.
They exist for a reason.
History shows over and over
Why, too.
We should not undue progress,
Dismiss work done, hard won,
To learn what's right,
What destroys,
What is wrong.
This is 2005.
Anyone who laughs,
Disregards, harms, lies, should loose their license
To practice,
As far as I am concerned.
Twittering One
Most of that's come undone.
Do I feel better a year later?
No, not yet.
Do I feel I learned anything this year I did not know?
Only that,
People are Evil.
The system fails miserably.
Professionals
Are curupt, morally questionable.
O, yes, I knew before.
Now I know first hand.
Anyone who lies
Is capable of doing great harm.
That's a start ...
Pablo
You have expressed yourself well. I do not know what happened, nor is it my
intent to pry. What it leaves me with, though, is a desire to help, if just
to validate your experience. I might not be the most appropriate person for
you to connect with, but know that what you have written above has the
capacity to touch others. It touched me.
I wish you health and hope.
Pablo
Twittering One
it my
intent to pry. What it leaves me with, though, is a desire to help,
if just
to validate your experience. I might not be the most appropriate
person for
you to connect with, but know that what you have written above has the
capacity to touch others. It touched me.
I wish you health and hope.
Pablo
Many thanks, Pablo.
I appreciate.
Validation cen often be the single, simple difference between life and
death,
sanity and helplessness,
renewed strength and destroyed reason.
em
"Twittering One" <twitte...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1116087469.2...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Dogs sport purple fur.
> People die and suffer.
> Federal guideslines, ignored.
>
> A lonely grrl,
> Somewhere, commits suicide.
>
> It could have been prevented.
> That's someone's fault.
>
> That's a failure.
> That's illegal.
>
> & it's been
> HELL.
> FUCK YOU.
>
> No joke
knockity knock knock...
yes no joke
I want to say I am concerned for you.
Are you okay?
May I recommend....
be still...
keep your head down.
yes rest.
B1 must be quiet. yes very quiet indeed.
like a mouse.
Learn to listen to the rustling of the leaves
and map the breeze weaving its way through the trees instead.
Your health to heal you must attend.
Remove yourself from striking distance
and harms way.
Get your mind together
Not everyone who says they are to help you
will help.
Stop talking to doctors
Learn to identify shills agent propagators
and spin merchants!
Me... I too suffered a low down trick
nearly killed me they did.
lucky to be alive
I am.
(though... the perspective was truly awesome and I do appreciate the
rare unique experience...)
Here is a link for you...
might help you understand
a few things 'bout what's going on around you
and behind closed doors.
it is unsettling to learn of such things
but it could be life saving to know...
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/psychopolitics
read both pt 1 and 2 as pt 2 is more alarming
You know you can't trust anyone any more.
(problem I have and why I cut myself
away from even you)
Personally I do not believe in ADD or ADHelloD
or any other acronym
by any other name.
I think your mind is brilliant.
and your playfulness a delightful
My mind was okay until the day I went to a doctor
tricked me he did, unambiguously and with full intent
by deceit and deception.
Took me near five years to recover a normal semblance it did.
So you take care.
em
Twittering One
I want to say
I am concerned for you."
~ em
"The say."
~ Twittering
"Are you okay?"
~ em
"No."
~ Twittering
"May I recommend....
be still...
keep your head down."
~ em
"No, not still.
Seek rightful justice, to stop harm from others,
As well, as I was harmed."
~ Twittering
"Yes rest."
~ em
"I am exhasuted,
After a year of screaming."
~ Twittering
"B1 must be quiet. yes very quiet indeed.
like a mouse."
~ em
"Must scream,
Be heard. Point fingers in right direction.
Scream my lungs out.
FUCKING BASTARDs
Your negligence almost killed me.
Your licsence should be taken away.
I mean that.
Any therapist has immense power over a patient.
That power should never be abused.
Victoria Rivamonte, PsyD
Matthew B. Smith, MD
[colleagues]
I hate you,
And I hope the APA stops you.
This is no joke.
I hope NYU fires you both.
And I know neither of you should
EVER
Have any professional contact with children.
I was sexually abused, psychologically abused,
And the other one covered it up.
I almost lost my life.
This is no joke. This really happened to me.
This a year ago, May 2004.
I'm still not okay.
And yes,
I have told people."
~ Twittering
Twittering One
SHIT.
I was sexually abused.
I almost died.
You're a sick professional who has no right to practice
and do that to others.
em
B1. I am not too sure if you really know just exactly what you are up
against.
When most people are confronted with a view of it for the very first time
they are simply overwhelmed to paralysis at the scale and magnitude.
May I once again suggest, to stop banging your head trying to get something
to work which you have been indoctrinated all your life to believing is in
place to work.
Use your obvious intelligence instead to task an overview of what is really
going on.
If you start reading today and spent everyday for the five years reading,
your fingers will still not meet around the other side and your reel will
still be letting out line as the bob descends ever downward.
I've been chasing this dragon for twenty five years now.
I am both slow and stupid, so for me... there are times where I have to
concede it really does have no end.
Twittering One
Virginia Hooper,
And what I have said is the truth,
So help me God.
5.18.05
And I have told:
Leslie Seiden, MD
Cynthia R. Pfeffer, MD
Twittering One
against.
When most people are confronted with a view of it for the very first
time
they are simply overwhelmed to paralysis at the scale and magnitude.
May I once again suggest, to stop banging your head trying to get
something
to work which you have been indoctrinated all your life to believing is
in
place to work."
~ em
I believe in the law,
And I believe in legislation and justice,
If handled by responsible people.
ANY therapist has enormous power,
No matter what technique.
That power should never be abuses,
And the APA has very clear guidelines.
I believe in medicine,
and I believe there are responsible practicianers.
And the history of medicine is long,
and filled with many lessons.
First do no harm.
I was harmed.
Twittering One
(problem I have and why I cut myself
away from even you)"
I trust Cynthia Pfeffer, with my life.
em
Yes and I used to too, to all of the above.
Then something happened as a personal experience which changed all that.
So now, for me, it is established as a matter of fact.
Twittering One
As a personal experience which changed all that.
So now, for me,
It is established as a matter of fact."
~ em
"What happened,
And is established?"
~ Twittering
Twittering One
As a personal experience which changed all that.
So now, for me,
It is established as a matter of fact."
~ em
I hope a therapist did not do that to you,
Because that is an inordinate
Degree of harm,
A lethal weapon,
If used inappropriately.
It happens in life a lot,
To all our regret.
Twittering One
Has been the worst of my life.
em
> "Yes no joke.
>
> I want to say
> I am concerned for you."
> ~ em
>
> "The say."
> ~ Twittering
>
> "Are you okay?"
> ~ em
>
> "No."
> ~ Twittering
>
> "May I recommend....
> be still...
> keep your head down."
> ~ em
>
> "No, not still.
> Seek rightful justice, to stop harm from others,
> As well, as I was harmed."
> ~ Twittering
I am sadened to hear.
Okay. Try this. Check the link and read it.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/psychopolitics
> "Yes rest."
> ~ em
>
> "I am exhasuted,
> After a year of screaming."
> ~ Twittering
>
> "B1 must be quiet. yes very quiet indeed.
> like a mouse."
> ~ em
>
> "Must scream,
> Be heard. Point fingers in right direction.
> Scream my lungs out.
You must read that link. It was not negligence.
We are all in deeper shit then any one even realises.
and it does not care which side of the fence you are sitting on.
> I mean that.
So do I
> Any therapist has immense power over a patient.
Yes... and Gernerals and newpapers owners, not editors... owners, have been
taken out and put down by these psychopoltical operatives.
hundreds of thousands. no joke.
> That power should never be abused.
Abused? They haven't started yet. They are still getting ready.
aught to learn about what happened in Russia and pre war Germany.
> This is no joke.
shhh... I said for good reason.... keep it down.
> I hope NYU fires you both.
No... they will come after you.
Okay Brilliantone. This is a serious situation you are in.
> I almost lost my life.
Me too.
> This is no joke.
> This really happened to me.
> This a year ago, May 2004.
> I'm still not okay.
You'd best be wise to heed.
Stop taking what ever medication they prescribed for you.
If they ment you harm before, then their medication will just be a follow
through.
> And yes,
> I have told people."
Becareful. You may tell the wrong person.
Twittering One
Twittering One
em
A prescription given me effected a rapid total devastation with long lasting
effect.
Which to this day, after five years, there is still a residual damage.
The story I will not go into, but it concludes to remove all doubt this was
a deliberate act of malevolent intent.
And this was not the first time.
em
em
> And the past year
> Has been the worst of my life.
I am sorry to hear. My worst year was 1999.
Twittering One
Say he wanted to masturbate with you, too?
em
> Call The KGB ~ ! *
heh..? what's that got to do with anything?
Twittering One
"Heh. ..?
Ahat's that got to do with anything?"
~ em
"Twitter
Wrote some poems ~ !"
~ Folly
Twittering One
(problem I have and why I cut myself
away from even you)"
~ em
Meaning?
When, cut yourself off from me?
Do you know me?
em
Only in outlook.
em
> Did your therapist
> Say he wanted to masturbate with you, too?
>
I did not attend therapy and
I hope you can get over it.
Raving Loonie
> You know you can't trust anyone any more.
> (problem I have and why I cut myself
> away from even you)
I admire your acumen and expressive ability.
What you perceive and how you work with it proves true. I notice.
You have good reason to trust yourself 'em'.
> Personally I do not believe in ADD or ADHelloD
> or any other acronym
> by any other name.
ADD is a label for a recognizable and categorizable type of 'thought
process'.
As with other types of thought process, the label arose from
consideration of the pathological limitations brought on by such method
of 'thinking'. We are disinclined to ask the question, 'What's wrong ?'
when things are going swell.
ADD is a label which is cast within the context of negative and
dysfunctional connotation. <shrug> Identification with the label is the
only touchstone that we have to work with. Notwithstanding it's
counterproductive, limiting attributes, it's better than having
'nothing' to relate to.
Everyone has a 'thought process'. Each person has a predilection for
the manner in which they think. Everyone 'specializes'. The act of
specificity itself, provides us with the bulk of our cognitive ability.
The flavor of such specialization is less important, IMO.
> I think your mind is brilliant.
> and your playfulness a delightful
>
> My mind was okay until the day I went to a doctor
> tricked me he did, unambiguously and with full intent
> by deceit and deception.
No, em ...
You, in your own way, are every bit as remarkable as Twittering One.
Both of you amaze me.
> Took me near five years to recover a normal semblance it did.
>
> So you take care.
>
> em
em, I have some familiarity with the things that you make mention of.
My father was a physician. As a 51 year old man, I grew up in the
context of the cold war MAD reality.
My personal ability amounts to understanding and accepting,
'subjectivity'.
the Raving Loonie
Twittering One
months that he was "taking care" of my legal concerns. He said so,
the last week of May 2004. I lost my mind.
No one was contacted.
No one attended to my financial situation.
For months, Smith was the only person in entire world I had contact
with. During those months, he took advantage of my isolated, dependent,
and compromised mental state. I received no medication, other than
dexadrine. And he did sexual things to me during that time. He
discouraged me from seeking legal counsel, and specifically, said,
"Oh, I don't think you need worry about that."
When I finally began to realize he had done nothing, regarding my
material well-being and legal issues, I officially requested my medical
records, in order for me file a HIPAA privacy complaint.
My medical records were lies, misrepresenting the entire past year.
The records did not include that on May 1, I told him I was severely
despondent. The records do not reflect that for a year previously, I
reported to him that experience with Rivamonte was increasingly
"destructive." During that year, he never allowed me that
opportunity to tell him details, as to her destructive behavior, such
as verbally grilling my contact with Goodman, to whom I reported at the
NYU Child Center, as a writer who volunteered; her bizarre
irresponsible behavior, such encouraging me to write her email on her
"private server," after I refused to send her email any more; such
as her demeaning comments to me that further undermined my self-esteem
during the previous year, and more.
Smith's records do not reflect that I blacked out in his office, from
severe stress, and emotional trauma, in May 2004, after severe verbal
abuse in Rivamonte's office, that I regressed to a child-state, that
for months, I believed I was dead, and had gone to another dimension.
Smith's records do not reflect that I told him about these feelings
and experiences, and that I thought I was disassociating. He told me
not to pathologize it.
A year later, of not pathologizing it, I have lost almost everything.
Smith's records do not show that his behavior became increasingly
sexual, and in October, I asked him if he would like to masturbate
together, and he said Yes.
That was the next to the last time I ever set foot in his office.
After that, I spent months alone, and experience the worst hell in my
entire life. I feel brain damaged. My contact with Smith, for months,
was the only emotional or physical contact I had. His fraudulent
medical records broke what thin thread tied me to the world.
Due to his fraudulent medical records, I was unable to file appropriate
HIPAA complaints, and missed the deadline; I was unable to file NY
State Professional Licensing Board complaints, because I lacked
sufficient medical records to substantiate what happened to me:
Both Rivamonte and Smith, colleagues at the NYU Adult ADHD Center,
endangered my life.
Twittering One
comprise 2 office visits with Cynthia R. Pfeffer,
one on June 15, 2004, the other, September 29, 2004.
I called and wrote her numerous times during this period,
expressing my distress and desire for her to take over my
medical care.
She declined, informed me that she unable to be my treating
psychiatrist.
Twittering One
Dear Mr. Brody:
I quote your email to me below. Further, for your records, Dr.
Rivamonte told me that she and Dr. Goodman do indeed know one another.
I asked Dr. Rivamonte this question in 2003, and the subject came up
several times after that date as well.
Sincerely,
Virginia Hooper
In a message dated 8/14/04 4:42:55 PM, VirginiaHooperNY writes:
Dr. Goodman called me back a day later, and said she could not recall
anything. At that time, I told her that the professional might have
been Dr.______________. Dr. Goodman told me that she does not know who
Dr. _____________ is.
Dear Ms. Hooper:
Following up on your concerns and pursuant to your authorization, I
placed phone calls to both Dr. Robin Goodman and Dr. Anita Gurian.
I. Inquiry of Dr. Robin Goodman
In my first conversation with Dr. Goodman, I asked her if any medical
professional had ever given her any oral or written protected health
information or confidential patient information about any individual
who worked or volunteered in the NYU Child Study Center in a situation
in which Dr. Goodman was neither treating nor consulting on the
treatment of such individual. Her initial response was no but that
she would have to think about the question and then get back to me.
At that juncture, I proceeded to tell her that the individual in
question was you, but I did not tell her the nature of the information
or the name of the professional (i.e., Dr. __________) who might have
provided her with such information. Dr. Goodman called me back a day
later, and said she could not recall anything. At that time, I told
her that the professional might have been Dr.______________. Dr.
Goodman told me that she does not know who Dr. _____________ is.
II. Inquiry of Dr. Anita Gurian
I made a separate call to Dr. Anita Gurian. I posed the same initial
question to her, i.e., I asked her if any medical professional (i.e.,
physician, psychiatrist, or psychologist) had ever given her any oral
or written protected health information or confidential patient
information about any individual who worked or volunteered in the NYU
Child Study Center in a situation in which Dr. Gurian was neither
treating nor consulting on the treatment of such individual. Dr.
Gurian's categoric response was that no one has ever given her any oral
or written patient health information about anyone who volunteers or
works at the NYU Child Study Center with respect to whom she is not
personally treating or consulting on the treatment. Given the emphatic
nature of Dr. Gurian's response and the fact that she still works at
the NYU Child Study Center (whereas Dr. Goodman apparently does not), I
saw no purpose in revealing to Dr. Gurian either your name or that of
Dr. ___________.
I do not know what caused you to suspect that Dr. ___________ may have
revealed protected health information about you to either Dr. Goodman
or Dr. Gurian, but I hope that the foregoing alleviates your concern.
I do plan to separately contact Dr. __________, not to discuss you, but
to request that she notify all of her patients to whom she gave an
incorrect "Notice of Privacy Practices Acknowledgment" of the error she
made and to replace it with a correct one. As you have brought to my
attention and the attention of Dr. Adler and Dr. Cancro, the Notice of
Privacy Practices Acknowledgment that you received from Dr. __________
implies erroneously that her private practice is part of the NYU School
of Medicine Faculty Group--which it is not.
Let me take this opportunity to wish you the best in all your personal
and professional endeavors.
Sincerely,
Mark Steven Brody
Chief Compliance Officer and Privacy Officer
New York University
File: 3.3.17
em
"Raving Loonie" <frogwa...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1116512486.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Personally I do not believe in ADD or ADHelloD
>> or any other acronym
>> by any other name.
>
> ADD is a label for a recognizable and categorizable type of 'thought
> process'.
I've met a few adder's. I thought these are smart people. I loved their
intensity, their mind and their soular luminance. ( I got on very well with
them.) It leaves me thinking this whole add thingie is more a program of
social control.
> As with other types of thought process, the label arose
'arose' or 'created'?
> from
> consideration of the pathological limitations brought on by such method
> of 'thinking'. We are disinclined to ask the question, 'What's wrong ?'
> when things are going swell.
>
> ADD is a label which is cast within the context of negative and
> dysfunctional connotation.
the ADD is not dysfunctional but the effects of the medication is.
> <shrug> Identification with the label is the
> only touchstone that we have to work with. Notwithstanding it's
> counterproductive, limiting attributes, it's better than having
> 'nothing' to relate to.
>
> Everyone has a 'thought process'. Each person has a predilection for
> the manner in which they think. Everyone 'specializes'. The act of
> specificity itself, provides us with the bulk of our cognitive ability.
> The flavor of such specialization is less important, IMO.
>
>> I think your mind is brilliant.
>> and your playfulness a delight.
>>
>> My mind was okay until the day I went to a doctor
>> tricked me he did, unambiguously and with full intent
>> by deceit and deception.
>
> No, em ...
> You, in your own way, are every bit as remarkable as Twittering One.
>
> Both of you amaze me.
Thanks. Thats because you must be wacky too. (-;
em
Twittering One
social control."
???
It is solid science: If you are surrounded
By people reenforcing neagtive views of yourself,
You will internalize those views, to some degree.
That is mind control.
Twittering One
???
That is mind control.
Common sense makes sense.
But data is nice, too.
... for the people
Who demand evidence in the legal system.
em
> Matthew B. Smith, MD, my physician of 5 years, led me to believe for
> months that he was "taking care" of my legal concerns. He said so,
> the last week of May 2004. I lost my mind.
my god.
> No one was contacted.
>
> No one attended to my financial situation.
Do you have family you can turn to?
> For months, Smith was the only person in entire world I had contact
> with. During those months, he took advantage of my
> isolated, dependent,
> and compromised mental state. I received no medication, other than
> dexadrine. And he did sexual things to me during that time. He
> discouraged me from seeking legal counsel, and specifically, said,
> "Oh, I don't think you need worry about that."
>
> When I finally began to realize he had done nothing, regarding my
> material well-being and legal issues, I officially requested my medical
> records, in order for me file a HIPAA privacy complaint.
>
> My medical records were lies, misrepresenting the entire past year.
Yes... I've seen a dokta just highlight and delete my on-screen record.
So now according to his record, I was never there and he did not give me
anything. That simple case closed. next!
> The records did not include that on May 1, I told him I was severely
> despondent. The records do not reflect that for a year previously, I
> reported to him that experience with Rivamonte was increasingly
> "destructive."
phuck!
> During that year, he never allowed me that
> opportunity to tell him details,
That reveals alot.
> Smith's records do not reflect that I blacked out in his office, from
> severe stress, and emotional trauma, in May 2004, after severe verbal
> abuse in Rivamonte's office, that I regressed to a child-state,
That was the child I first saw... I went into a child-state as well.
> that
> for months, I believed I was dead,
I thought I was dieing and had to fight with hurrying it up.
> and had gone to another dimension.
That touches upon every major faculty of science from physics, psychologics
to theology.
> Smith's records do not reflect that I told him about these feelings
> and experiences, and that I thought I was disassociating. He told me
> not to pathologize it.
But don't forget to pay his bill. (what a duck!)
> A year later, of not pathologizing it, I have lost almost everything.
I hope that doesn't include house husband and family.
> Smith's records do not show that his behavior became increasingly
> sexual, and in October, I asked him if he would like to masturbate
> together, and he said Yes.
His word against yours. Brilliant.
> That was the next to the last time I ever set foot in his office.
good.
> After that, I spent months alone, and experience the worst hell in my
> entire life.
been there done that. Empathise totally.
> I feel brain damaged.
most likly have been permenently effected.
>My contact with Smith, for months,
> was the only emotional or physical contact I had. His fraudulent
> medical records broke what thin thread tied me to the world.
>
> Due to his fraudulent medical records, I was unable to file appropriate
> HIPAA complaints, and missed the deadline; I was unable to file NY
> State Professional Licensing Board complaints, because I lacked
> sufficient medical records to substantiate what happened to me:
>
> Both Rivamonte and Smith, colleagues at the NYU Adult ADHD Center,
> endangered my life.
Don't try and climb back on your horse and charge out into battle.
You will be greeted with cannon fire.
Think... lay low.... la la la la...
Give your self purpose and fill your days with reading and study.
The only thing you can take with you when you depart this world is what is
in your head... and that which is in your heart. la la la, la la la la.
The internet has proved to be the second most powerful and significant leap
in the development intelligence and awareness in the entire history of this
planet.
Second only to the event... "Let there be light! "
and yet... both of those are going to pale by the even yet to come.
So drink while your cup over fulleth and your plate is full.
em
em
"Twittering One" <twitte...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1116555915.3...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> "a program of
> social control."
>
> ???
Here's the situation. Nobody can tell you. You have to come to a certain
realisation by your own experiences.
> It is solid science:
The word science now has a bad taste in my mouth. (having spent my life
reading through the sciences.)
> If you are surrounded
> By people reenforcing neagtive views of yourself,
> You will internalize those views, to some degree.
That is true and correct.
> That is mind control.
Probably that is where the science of mind control started from about five
thousand years ago. Today, mind control and social engineering are every bit
as complex as software programming and computer engineering.
Only they do not advertise it.
Twittering One
five
thousand years ago. Today, mind control and social engineering are
every bit
as complex as software programming and computer engineering.
Only they do not advertise it.
~ Em
O, yes, I agree.
"Here's the situation. Nobody can tell you.
You have to come to a certain
realisation by your own experiences."
~ em
Tell you what?
I think one can be told warning signs of any danger.
"The word science now has a bad taste in my mouth.
(having spent my life
reading through the sciences.)"
~ em
Art and science exist on the same spectrum,
overlap in areas.
Human behavior?
Raving Loonie
>
> em
You flatter me 'em.
... I couldn't dream of a greater compliment than being called
"wacky" by an Aussie.
Thank you ... truly, thank you
the Raving 'self-depreciating' Loonie
^
|
"
em
> Probably that is where the science of mind control started from about
> five
> thousand years ago. Today, mind control and social engineering are
> every bit
> as complex as software programming and computer engineering.
>
> Only they do not advertise it.
> ~ Em
>
> O, yes, I agree.
>
> "Here's the situation. Nobody can tell you.
> You have to come to a certain
> realisation by your own experiences."
> ~ em
>
> Tell you what?
> I think one can be told warning signs of any danger.
Are these warning signs?
Read about flouride and our water suply.
Saccharine, aspartame, false flags and the art of war. (Both Tsu and
Machavelli.)
Why even Evolution and Big Bang are frudulant. The danger in believing in
these is you can then be tricked into trading away your soul (which both
concludes you do not have) with the you know who.
> "The word science now has a bad taste in my mouth.
> (having spent my life
> reading through the sciences.)"
> ~ em
>
> Art and science exist on the same spectrum,
> overlap in areas.
>
> Human behavior?
Is a science. Human behavior produces art.
A lot of artists are deeply interested in science and philosophy.
Science is a double edge sword. On the one it produce tangible outcome and
does effect work, while on the other is is a tool in the hands of the social
engineers and people programmers.
em
>> Thanks. Thats because you must be wacky too. (-;
>>
>> em
>
> You flatter me 'em.
>
> ... I couldn't dream of a greater compliment than being called
> "wacky" by an Aussie.
How's that?
Raving Loonie
A country which would have 'Waltzing Matilda' as a national anthem
treats an insult as a compliment and is proud of it.
... which makes me wonder ?
Dare I ask ...
What do Australians do when they wish to be condesending ... ?
Sorry, em, I've got ADD.
I don't know how to finish this posting ??@@!#!
didn't come out quite right
P.S. It just occured to me! If you were linking ADD with wackiness, I
would agree absolutely.
For those with ADD ...
Nobody is wackier
Wackiness and ADD seem synonomous.
Curiously, it seems seldom talked about in this NG ...
Think of the 'wackiest' individual that you know. .. THAT is the person
who has ADD.
When you read the sedate postings, herein, you wouldn't know it , would
you?
RL
Raving Loonie
> Probably that is where the science of mind control started from about
five
> thousand years ago. Today, mind control and social engineering are
every bit
> as complex as software programming and computer engineering.
No em. With this I disagree most emphatically !!!!
Our understanding and skill with the Science of Cognition is PURE STONE
AGE.
Our inability to move beyond this obstacle severly constrains and
retards all human intellectual and artistic endeavor.
For all practical purposes the problem has been stalled for millenea in
both Eastern and Western paradigms. This road block is very serious
shit, indeed.
the Raving Loonie
em
> em wrote:
>
>
>> Probably that is where the science of mind control started from about
> five
>> thousand years ago. Today, mind control and social engineering are
> every bit
>> as complex as software programming and computer engineering.
>
>
> No em. With this I disagree most emphatically !!!!
>
> Our understanding and skill with the Science of Cognition is PURE STONE
> AGE.
Depends on what you have in mind when you turn the conversation around to
cognition. I am talking about mind control and social engineering. These
would be a branch of cognition.
Maybe I have over waxed an expression to drive home a point. But at the same
instance I will pull you into line and say, if you think we are in the stone
age then it is you who indeed is incorrect.
Have you ever read Plato's Republic? I had trouble coming to terms with how
little things have changed in human nature and society. Issues and concerns
he raised then are still issues we are yet to resolve and cautions to be
heeded today.
You know... renaissance thinking even surprised me. Complexity abound even
then.
To have raised the issue and to have compared it to software programing was
maybe pushing the idea a tad too far, so maybe we can say we are still more
at the nineteenth or early twentieth century level of technology. With the
gap closing.
Try alarming yourself as to the Travistock institution and getting your head
around dialectics and find out about the dark side of cognitive resonance.
http://www.unsaccodicanapa.com/htmlpages/globalcorporatepower.html
Do allow your self the time to read this paper. I do not what to bore you
with a list of links if you are not interested. But it does go on and
ongoing it does.
> Our inability to move beyond this obstacle severly constrains and
> retards all human intellectual and artistic endeavor.
>
> For all practical purposes the problem has been stalled for millenea in
> both Eastern and Western paradigms. This road block is very serious
> shit, indeed.
Maybe you are trying to say we do not actually know the how's of perception?
How an image of the world is actually formed and experienced inside our
head?. Or if you are referring to how or where is memory stored and how is
it recovered and how do we perceive that memory as we do? Then yes... its
true.
We are still somewhat in the dark ages.
em
em
> em wrote:
>> "Raving Loonie" <frogwa...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:1116561340.3...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> >>>em said:
>>> >>> I think your mind is brilliant.
>>> >>> and your playfulness a delightful
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My mind was okay until the day I went to a doctor
>>> >>> tricked me he did, unambiguously and with full intent
>>> >>> by deceit and deception.
>>>>> RL said:
>>>>> No, em ...
>>>>> You, in your own way, are every bit as remarkable as Twittering >>>>>
>>>>> One.
>>>>> Both of you amaze me.
>> >>em said:
>> >> Thanks. That's because you must be wacky too. (-;
>> >>
>> > RL said:
>> > You flatter me 'em.
>> >
>> > ... I couldn't dream of a greater compliment than being called
>> > "wacky" by an Aussie.
>>
>> em said
>>How's that?
> RL said:
> A country which would have 'Waltzing Matilda' as a national anthem
> treats an insult as a compliment and is proud of it.
em said: How convoluting are our attempts to talk to each other?
I did not mean to insult you. It was my acknowledgement that I myself and
B1, who incidentally calls herself T1, are both wacky.
I don't mind it and B1 doesn't seem to be bothered terribly much by it
either.
If you are also fascinated by it all, then I just naturally assume therefore
you must have a streak of wackiness running through your core... especially
since you call yourself RL. That sort of gave me a clue.
I just connected the dots.
Unless of course you are condescending, then to be considered wacky would
not be a compliment but rather an insult.
Sarcasm is lost in text?
The gist of waltzing matilda... is about a homeless wonderer who would
rather drown himself then be incarcerated...
> ... which makes me wonder ?
>
> Dare I ask ...
>
> What do Australians do when they wish to be condesending ... ?
>
> Sorry, em, I've got ADD.
>
> I don't know how to finish this posting ??@@!#!
> didn't come out quite right
Yes... I am having trouble understanding from where are you coming?
I suppose Australians condescend much the same way as anybody else.
> P.S. It just occured to me! If you were linking ADD with wackiness, I
> would agree absolutely.
No... I fully acknowledge my own wackiness and relate to B1's wackiness. My
point was if you relate to that then you too must be wacky. I do not mind
being wacky.
Artists are in a rather fortunate position of being able to be totally wacky
and still credit respect by the greater society.
> For those with ADD ...
>
> Nobody is wackier
>
> Wackiness and ADD seem synonymous.
hmmm. Is that so.
I only know a few ADDers and I might be one. Yes... they are wacky. But that
is what I like about them. It is not just an intensity. There is a
complexity and a wide range of diversity and the conversation just keeps
moving from one topic to the next.
> Curiously, it seems seldom talked about in this NG ...
>
> Think of the 'wackiest' individual that you know. .. THAT is the person
> who has ADD.
So have we have done a full circle and returned to our opening statement?
"Everyone has a 'thought process'. Each person has a predilection for
the manner in which they think." RL.
ADD is not something 'wrong' with a person or a personalty. It is a given
range of personality. An intensity and an intelligence that sometimes
pronounce above the norm.
Personally I think one's erratic behaviour has more to do muscular
contraction and the need to do some deep breathing and hold still and
stretch and relax the muscular system of one's entire body.
This does take time and a great amount of discipline and effort. As with a
yoga or some other such. Once you have broken through the initial lock up of
tension, the resulting psychological change of mood and manner is most
marked and clearly pronounced.
> When you read the sedate postings, herein, you wouldn't know it ,
> would
> you?
Yes... I didn't notice it and I wouldn'tve known otherwise.
Must be the medication.
em
Raving Loonie
Shhh ... <quiet>
I appologize for being presently pre-occupied with some personal and
local emotional innanities. They are quite draining.
I appreciate your responses .. and would like to respond to them with
the fullest of my ability.
The very short answer is that I am not offended and we are saying &
perceiving roughly the same things.
Be back later ...
RL
em
I will be in and out all day and have my normal block of reading to do
before I can get involved in conversation...
Have a good day... or night...
em
Raving Loonie
em wrote:
> "Raving Loonie" <frogwa...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:1116608024.8...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > em wrote:
> >> "Raving Loonie" <frogwa...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> >
> >
> > Shhh ... <quiet>
> >
> > I appologize for being presently pre-occupied with some personal
and
> > local emotional innanities. They are quite draining.
> >
> > I appreciate your responses .. and would like to respond to them
with
> > the fullest of my ability.
> >
> > The very short answer is that I am not offended and we are saying &
> > perceiving roughly the same things.
> >
> > Be back later ...
>
> I will be in and out all day and have my normal block of reading to
do
> before I can get involved in conversation...
>
> Have a good day... or night...
>
> em
Well em, I'm pretty much burned out today/tonight. If I don't get a
move on responding to these posts ... i'll give up on it. I'm going to
stumble through it and yours is the easiest.
So without account for grace or quality at 2:00 am ...
People with ADD are the wackiest people I know. I also speak for
myself. Of course I don't that I'm wacky ... Others consider me WACKY.
I am amazed by your ability to describe things; .. that what you say
about those with ADD is as good of an example as any. .. I can't
come close to you. I won't try.
What can I say about Australians? ... Drains all my energy even
thinking about it.
Are Australians wacky ? Remember this ~~~~>
http://tinyurl.com/a48yp
Call me wacky, please! I would be honored :)
Canadians have a reputation for being polite, modest and self-effacing.
I apologize for setting a bad example of the breed. I was born in Lon.
Eng. I ended up in Loonie land because it happened to be closer than
where you are.
I'll answer your meatier posts em when I can. You sure have an amazing
descriptive style about you. ... I can't get over it.
em
>
> em wrote:
>> "Raving Loonie" <frogwa...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:1116608024.8...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> People with ADD are the wackiest people I know.
I'm happy to hear.
> I also speak for
> myself. Of course I don't that I'm wacky ... Others consider me WACKY.
I know what you mean. In one sense I consider myself well developed while in
another sense I realise I am totally cracked.
> I am amazed by your ability to describe things; ..
Thank you for taking the time to read my work.
> that what you say
> about those with ADD is as good of an example as any. .. I can't
> come close to you. I won't try.
>
> What can I say about Australians? ... Drains all my energy even
> thinking about it.
>
> Are Australians wacky ?
I think most of them are off the dial.
But in a situation where numbers matter, I loose out right.
> Call me wacky, please! I would be honored :)
Do you think we should form a wacky club?
> Canadians have a reputation for being polite, modest and self-effacing.
> I apologize for setting a bad example of the breed.
Don't worry, I am also not to be considered a good example of the fine
people of this land.
I think crocodiles are dumb stupid and exceedingly repulsive. I do not
admire sports nor most popular icons.
> I was born in Lon.
> Eng. I ended up in Loonie land because it happened to be closer than
> where you are.
A Londonite in Canada.
> I'll answer your meatier posts em when I can. You sure have an amazing
> descriptive style about you. ... I can't get over it.
Thank you for the most generous compliment.
em
Twittering One
You both lose your license to practice,
For what you did to me.
I almost died.
Raving Loonie
T1 don't get depressed. Get angry.
it's far more satisfying
Raving Loonie
You need to search down real deep for that ' super B I T C H ' within
...
perhaps top up your testoserone levels a wee bit ?
Go for it !
:>
Twittering One
... perhaps top up your testoserone levels a wee bit ?
Go for it !
:>"
"O, great idee ~!
The Transdermal Patch ~ !"
~ Twittering
"A New Delivery System ~ Lister
Far Off Center."
~ Dr. AE
Raving Loonie
You know Twittering One, I hate seeing anyone pine away ...
It feels like such an incredible and unecessary waste. It breaks my
heart.
... But i've gotta tell 'ya
A pining and moping Lesbian ... that just ABSOLUTELY takes the
biscuit!
I don't know much about your culture, but it seems so very oxymoron
I dont know anything about hormone replacement therapy either.
But anger sure works well at blowin' away the blues, getting the ass in
gear, and getting somewhere.
Strikes me that a bit more anger could get you a helluva lot further
forward!
Anyhow, just a thought ...
I want to see what happens when the 'bitch is back' ...
Watch out world!
the Raving Loonie
Twittering One
forward!
Anyhow, just a thought ...
I want to see what happens when the 'bitch is back' ...
Watch out world!"
"Mum plays Bithc.
Me, just a Twitterer.
Just my Nature,
Who I am.
Too much anger sinks my ship ~
Just enough blows my sails.
Me, doncha know, Libra ~ Balanced
Scales essential, or I fail to flourish
Or prevail."
~ Twittering
"To The Experts
We turn for Justice executed, balanced scales.
But, O, know ~ We tell our tale ~ !"
~ Folly
Raving Loonie
However it is Twittering One ...
... Yet it occurs to me that for either of us, perhaps a bit more
testosterone may be relevent.
What do you think/know about such things ?
RL
Twittering One
On a Suicide Screeing Scale
[What's That?]
>From 1 to 10?
Results: 10.01
Hope that helps!
We love you, too!
But please, know ~ Don't ever come anywhere
Near us again.
And we are Dead Serious.
But alive."
~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG
Twittering One
... Yet it occurs to me that for either of us,
Perhaps a bit more
testosterone may be relevent.
What do you think/know about such things?"
~ Raving
"What do you mean,
Who's asking?
I have fought, written letters, screamed ocassionally,
Made many, many phone calls
To powerful people in high places.
Why, just last night,
I wrote Capsicum another Official Letter ~ !"
~ Twttering
"Heck, yeah!
Twitter told Capsicum ~ If you don't stand
Up for me, you are part of The Problem."
~ Folly
"I told her I worship
The ground she walks, too.
But that's Old Knews."
~ Twittering
StovePipe
> And I know neither of you should
> EVER
> Have any professional contact with children.
>
> I was sexually abused, psychologically abused,
> And the other one covered it up.
>
> I almost lost my life.
> This is no joke. This really happened to me.
>
> This a year ago, May 2004.
> I'm still not okay.
>
> And yes,
> I have told people."
Then look them up at the local court house. You may find that one or
both has had previous run-ins with the justice system. If so, you can
add your case in and it would count for something.
SP
--
Finally: take out the TRASHH
StovePipe
> My mind was okay until the day I went to a doctor
> tricked me he did, unambiguously and with full intent
> by deceit and deception.
So, why didn't you sue the pants offa him?
em
"StovePipe" <stove99...@SHHyahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1gwxi95.1cfyk395w6rtrN%stove99...@SHHyahoo.ca...
> "em" <nootlanoo@dodiggerdo> wrote:
>
>> My mind was okay until the day I went to a doctor
>> tricked me he did, unambiguously and with full intent
>> by deceit and deception.
>
> So, why didn't you sue the pants offa him?
Because my mind was totally shattered. I could not even feed myself little
alone mount a legal petition.
Now I have recovered, I realise this is not a one off or singular event. It
is part of an industrial standard.
em
Twittering One
Until the day I went to a doctor, tricked me he did,
Unambiguously and with full intent
By deceit and deception."
~ em
"So, why didn't you sue
The pants offa him?"
~ StovePipe
"Because my mind was totally shattered.
I could not even feed myself,
Little alone, mount a legal petition.
Now I have recovered,
I realise this is not a one off or singular event.
It is part of an industrial standard."
~ em
"No excuse, I read, know ~ Not
An excuse. 'Just 'cause everyone else does it,'
No, not an excuse for abuse.
If you shattered,
You here hurt. Simple as that. To heal
Their job, not destroy."
~ Twittering
Raving Loonie
Hi em,
I still have a few tough emotional draining posts to make ... To Pablo,
to you, one or a few others. ... as I do it.
rl
Twittering One
at least five other professionals right off the tops of our heads
who do the same thing. (There are probably countless
thousands more we don't know about or we could name
if we just had the time.)"
Twittering One
Raving Loonie
It's not right, its not ethical, its not ..., its not ...
O.K. Twittering One ... whether or not 'something' is O.K. or NOT O.K.
is just one issue. Yes, its important to know 'what'; perhaps
crucially important to know 'what' ISN'T ...
But supposing one can get past that stage ...
What next? ... Sue? ... hang ex's license in toilet as 'war trophy' ?
"It's a long, long way to Tipperary"
How does one make it HAPPEN ?
Twittering One
HAPPEN ?"
"Step 1.
Ask for help. Did that, too."
~ Twittering
em
"Twittering One" <twitter...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1116736765.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
The violation perpetrated against me was not an offence that is clearly
outside the law, as with your personal experience.
The offence perpetrated against me is a crime against civil humanity or the
global community.
A single shot fired at me in what is essentially all out global class
warfare.
I am only coming to fully appreciate to what extent we are in the thick of a
global and historical battle.
The gears of machination are numerous and complex.
No Johnny no. Don't go running into the thick of battle with your gun half
cocked and your powder sopping wet.
I most solemnly advocate a serious study first. Only the ones with brains
can even hope to perform that task. Stay at home and crunch through that
pile of literature first. Don't waste your mind or your time running around
in circles trying to catch a carrot which is simply tied to a stick that is
simply being waved above your reach.
Don't let them trick you. The first battle front is always and always has
been, the war of ideas, beliefs and concepts. This is the real battle front
of all wars. Sun Tzu and Machismelly.
The guns and the shooting was always just the mopping up.
Raving Loonie
O.K. You scream, I scream, we both scream for ice cream ...
... and that doesn't work
or else we both wouldn't be sitting here now discussing this.
Back to step 1.
Help isn't coming. ... How does one ask for help?
I don't have the condensed answer. ... I'm going to ponder and return
to it.
RL
em
"Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1116736875....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Hi RL.. Sorry, its actually my fault.
I am the one stressed out demanding attention and a response...
Maybe we could just kick back and break the ice a little first getting
comfortable with each other first.
I am very defensive and caustic in my reaction. I treat compliment and
regard with suspicion and give it a second scrutiny.
Taken too many hooks lines and sinkers. Still have a tangle trailing out
behind me.
Then there are the shot guns in the hall.
Twittering One
~ Raving
"... than I'm
In the wrong Life, wrong Planet, wrong Year."
~ Twittering
"Our apologies,
Our mistake. Pardonez ~ !
!Bye! !Bye!"
~ Folly
Raving Loonie
A bit ironic actually.
I am absolutely terrible at handing out gratuitous compliments. I can't
stand sycophancy or gratuitous compliments.
What I said to you came quick and easy. I meant it.
As I said ironic. O.K. We done that one.
em
I don't like to hurt you, treat you roughly nor destroy your innocence. I
like your passion and your spirit.
So what can I say... A snipper is a professional. So is a door gunner. Bomb
guidance systems operator surely is a professional as well. "(There are
probably countless thousands more we don't know about or we could name if we
just had the time.)"
So therefore the criteria as set by the above definition, killing innocent
people by accident or deliberate intention, so long as it serves a greater
cause
is not unethical.
I was an innocent and found that my allocation was on the other side of what
our lords and masters deem as being desirable.
And they do have a greater cause. You bet they do.
All glorious and dignified and self serving and all. Reams of it.
em
Twittering One
A snipper is a professional."
"Snipper?
One who snips?"
~ Folly
"O, you mean, an editor,
Or haircutter."
~ Twittering
em
> A bit ironic actually.
>
> I am absolutely terrible at handing out gratuitous compliments. I can't
> stand sycophancy or gratuitous compliments.
>
> What I said to you came quick and easy. I meant it.
>
> As I said ironic. O.K. We done that one.
Once bitten twice shy.
I have actually been totally undermined more often by people who have
introduced themselves as being in league and posed as my colleague.
I am sorry if I didn't compliment you fully for your kindest regards.
and in all sincerity, thank you for reading my writings.
Twittering One
~ em
"Bitter's best. Lemon's nice.
Bitter been to Not. Too, Channel Z,
Seller of Le Graphique de Deade Dog
Dogone Not."
~ Folly
"I have actually been
Totally undermined more often
By people who've introduced themselves
As being in league,
And posed as my colleague."
~ em
"O, yes,
A traitor. Or an unloyal suitor."
~ Twittering
"I am sorry
If I didn't compliment you, Folly,
For your kindest regards."
~ em
"O, that's okay.
Sincerely, I meant, too.
~ Folly
"... and in all sincerity,
Thank you for reading my writings."
~ em
"O, you're welcome ~ My pleasure.
My desire. My need. My interest, too.
To my benefit, as well."
~ Twittering
Raving Loonie
My best Twitterrrrerr imitation
"Pleeese ..."
No can we loose the self-consciousness , pleaaase
at get back to insulting each other
RL
Twittering One
'Pleeese ...'
No can we loose the self-consciousness,
Pleaaase
At get back to insulting each other."
~ Raving
"You were fired."
~ Folly
"Beware,
The FBI knows, too."
~ Twittering
em
Oh... is the spelling sniper?
em
"Twittering One" <twitte...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1116742270.7...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> "Once bitten twice shy."
> ~ em
>
> "Bitter's best. Lemon's nice.
> Bitter been to Not. Too, Channel Z,
> Seller of Le Graphique de Deade Dog
> Dogone Not."
> ~ Folly
>
> "I have actually been
> Totally undermined more often
> By people who've introduced themselves
> As being in league,
> And posed as my colleague."
> ~ em
>
> "O, yes,
> A traitor. Or an unloyal suitor."
> ~ Twittering
Yes, twaiters indeed.
Crafty slimmy weeds.
> "I am sorry
> If I didn't compliment you, Folly,
> For your kindest regards."
> ~ em
Oh Folly... If I did fail to pay you compliment
that is because I did not know
to whom you were paying your kindest regards.
> "O, that's okay.
> Sincerely, I meant, too.
> ~ Folly
Okay, that's okay.
> "... and in all sincerity,
> Thank you for reading my writings."
> ~ em
>
> "O, you're welcome ~ My pleasure.
> My desire. My need. My interest, too.
> To my benefit, as well."
> ~ Twittering
Oh... Hi Twittering. (B1)
You are most intriguing.
You do make me wonder
as to which of my writings
you have read.
em
em
> My best Twitterrrrerr imitation
You are twitterer?
> "Pleeese ..."
>
> No can we loose the self-consciousness , pleaaase
> at get back to insulting each other
>
> RL
Sorry... do you want to check that and repost?
Raving Loonie
Now can we loose the self-consciousness, please ?
Twittering Fun, can drive me into vertigo with her perspective tumbles.
Notwithstanding that I can get really confused, I can understand it
sometimes.
You are funny and quaint. A country girl in a big city or however it
may be.
.. with a rural education or a cosmopolitan one, it doesn't really
matter.
Behind your rural prose and/or plain poetry is a quality of reaching
out very wide and pulling together which is remarkable.
You and Twittering One are very different from each other. Yet both of
you are keenly aware of background.
Do I want to check and repost?
Nope.
As I wrote earlier elsewhere
Correct. I have dellusions about everything.
... and my dellusions are always in a state of flux too!
At least I know it ...
the Raving Loonie
Raving Loonie
em,
You're driving me nuts! <in a nice way>
How the hell do i describe it !!!!
On the one hand your are so rural, so uneducated, so provincial, so out
back in the outback and then some ...
And on the other hand you are so worldly, so everything the 'opposite'
of what I said immediately before.
The damndest thing of all is that I somehow understand why this is so.
Arrrrch! <~~~~~~~~~~~~~ frustration.
I'm going to park it and come back to it .
bye
Afterthought: funny thing too ... You blow back and forth with me as
well
em
> em wrote:
>> "Twittering One" <twitter...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1116736765.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> has
>> been, the war of ideas, beliefs and concepts. This is the real battle
>> front
>>
>> The guns and the shooting was always just the mopping up.
>
> em,
>
> You're driving me nuts! <in a nice way>
>
> How the hell do i describe it !!!!
>
> On the one hand your are so rural, so uneducated, so provincial, so out
> back in the outback and then some ...
I am not a very good example of your average Australian and I am glad you've
noticed I've many hats.
> And on the other hand you are so worldly, so everything the 'opposite'
> of what I said immediately before.
hmmmm.... okay... that sort of all comes out as a compliment. (-;
> The damndest thing of all is that I somehow understand why this is so.
Please do explain why is that?
> Arrrrch! <~~~~~~~~~~~~~ frustration.
I'm sorry...
> I'm going to park it and come back to it .
>
> bye
>
> Afterthought: funny thing too ... You blow back and forth with me as
> well
Just an ambling thought.... maybe its all falling together for you and
making sense, yet at the same time it is not taking you where you are
currently standing or feel comfortable to be.
or are you are caught up in a machination you no longer have faith is going
in the right direction or is going to put you in the correct place to be?
em
em
> em wrote:
>> "Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1116743083.1...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>> > My best Twitterrrrerr imitation
>>
>> You are twitterer?
>>
>> > "Pleeese ..."
>> >
>> > No can we loose the self-consciousness , pleaaase
>> > at get back to insulting each other
Dear sir... with a sig of Raving Loonie I did not think it would be taken as
an insult to charge you with being wacky. (-; In jest only no insult ment.
>> Sorry... do you want to check that and repost?
>
> Now can we loose the self-consciousness, please ?
Arr... 'Now'.... not 'No'. I was a little bit thrown as to what you were
getting at.
> Twittering Fun, can drive me into vertigo with her perspective tumbles.
> Notwithstanding that I can get really confused, I can understand it
> sometimes.
Sometimes I give up trying to look for the point and skip it. Other times I
am intrigued and captivated.
> You are funny and quaint. A country girl in a big city or however it
> may be.
ahem... I am a bloke.
> .. with a rural education or a cosmopolitan one, it doesn't really
> matter.
>
> Behind your rural prose and/or plain poetry is a quality of reaching
> out very wide and pulling together which is remarkable.
It is a pity I didn't have a formal education. But then again I would suffer
more from manipulations and conditioning and would not have made some of the
stunning observations I have.
> You and Twittering One are very different from each other. Yet both of
> you are keenly aware of background.
Yes, B1 strikes me as being well read.
> Do I want to check and repost?
You resolved my concern... The 'w' went missing from the word Now and 'at'
had to be resolved
> Nope.
>
> As I wrote earlier elsewhere
>
> Correct. I have dellusions about everything.
> ... and my dellusions are always in a state of flux too!
>
> At least I know it ...
Good on you. And don't worry about it. Every person alive on this planet is
living in a state of illusion, whether they know it of not. We have all been
deluded at a cosmic scale.
Even those who are perpetuating the illusion are themselves the victim of
the delusion.
'cept, unlike you.... they do not even realise it.
em
Raving Loonie
> 'cept, unlike you.... they do not even realise it.
>
> em
Exactly.
Nor was it by accident that I pulled that fragment into my post and
threw it at you. I knew you would pick out what I was inferring by it.
You did.
You are a guy? ... Last night in the middle of the fog, that
consideration crossed my mind as well. A male poet. A most refreshing
change. Of course ... ... but that wouldn't surprise me either. For
the moment, you me, Twittering One; we are all a bunch of guys. Women
seem really into the communicate/dialogue, consensus, manipulate thing.
They make wonderful managers and politicians; given that one dares to
'stereotype' AGAINST the stereotype that its a male world.
Funny thing em, I've been getting politely roasted in these parts for
suggesting that men are incredibly sensitive. ...
A suppose that would make you a straight guy. Upset my apple cart
later, eh?
Of course, I am puzzled by my mistake of thinking that you were a
female ...
... because you were a poet? ... yes ... because of the way you
write? ... yes. .. could I be ignorant? ... yes.
But NO. That I misconstrued your sex, I 'intuit' speaks of you being
quite remarkable. A reinforcement of my understanding that men are
supersensitive, yet don't see it or don't admit it or whatever. .. I'm
a straight guy and I'm confident of that sensitivity in myself.
I am frustrated by being in a small minority as it would seem to be in
asserting this hypersensitivity of men. Welcome to the club.
I'll risk the wrath by going against the stereotype and speculate that
gay men are insensitive relative to a man's sensibilities. They have a
woman's mind.
Perhaps it would be more appropriate to pose that men and women are
sensitized to different considerations. ... That would seem to be a
more neutral assumption. I haven't explored this difference in quality
of sensibilities between the sexes yet. ... Sorry for the rambling
sentences. All my awareness and control is directed to following the
'thoughts'. Stream of consciousness mode for economy of cognition. ...
Enough for now. I may re-work another response to what you wrote. There
is much more to say.
RL
Raving Loonie
> > Arrrrch! <~~~~~~~~~~~~~ frustration.
>
> I'm sorry...
>
> > I'm going to park it and come back to it .
> >
> > bye
> >
> > Afterthought: funny thing too ... You blow back and forth with me
as
> > well
>
> Just an ambling thought.... maybe its all falling together for you
and
> making sense, yet at the same time it is not taking you where you are
> currently standing or feel comfortable to be.
>
> or are you are caught up in a machination you no longer have faith is
going
> in the right direction or is going to put you in the correct place to
be?
>
> em
... girl talk. At least that is how I interpret it. This could be
'patti' talking to me !!! ???
You are keying into my emotions. I don't give a damn about my emotions.
I'm frustrated. I say 'So what?' to myself.
A guy, who I assume is straight who seems to be keyed into
emotionality. Interesting ...
And my 'gut reaction' is to say misleading me. Speaking from the
perspective of myself ... That's what comes out ... That's not what
you are. You could be ... As I have said all along, I find you to be
quite remarkable. I vote for me being confused by your appeal to
emotion. I don't think that you are doing so.
Insofar as you seem quite remarkable, that you got burned by some
physician/psychiatrist/phrmacutical is unsurprising ;-) ... Oh, the
joys of wackiness :>
I think of the number of times that I'm viewed as an
" Evil Reptilian Kitten Eater from Another Planet", "Where's Fluffy ?"
~ The movie Alien (?)
Arrrrch! <~~~~~~~~~~~~~ frustration.
RL
em
> em wrote:
> You are a guy? ...
Yes straight married two wonderful children. 44.
> Last night in the middle of the fog, that
> consideration crossed my mind as well. A male poet. A most refreshing
> change. Of course ... ... but that wouldn't surprise me either. For
> the moment, you me, Twittering One; we are all a bunch of guys. Women
> seem really into the communicate/dialogue, consensus, manipulate thing.
> They make wonderful managers and politicians; given that one dares to
> 'stereotype' AGAINST the stereotype that its a male world.
>
> Funny thing em, I've been getting politely roasted in these parts for
> suggesting that men are incredibly sensitive. ...
Most men actually are, it is just our conditioning that determines
otherwise. I wouldn't bother wasting my time with people who are going to
roast you over what is essentially incidental trivia.
Still reeling from this morning upset.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/multimedia/money_masters.html
Three and a half hours... My head is aching and I am still trying to get
over it.
Are we in deep do do.
Man... the clouds on the horizon
are getting darker and strong.
The darker that cloud gets
the higher the stakes go.
Oh boy! I hope that is a crow.
because if it is a storm
we are not going to survive.
Raving Loonie
> "Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1116771375.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > em wrote:
>
> > You are a guy? ...
>
> Yes straight married two wonderful children. 44.
>
> > Last night in the middle of the fog, that
> > consideration crossed my mind as well. A male poet. A most
refreshing
> > change. Of course ... ... but that wouldn't surprise me either.
For
> > the moment, you me, Twittering One; we are all a bunch of guys.
Women
> > seem really into the communicate/dialogue, consensus, manipulate
thing.
> > They make wonderful managers and politicians; given that one dares
to
> > 'stereotype' AGAINST the stereotype that its a male world.
> >
> > Funny thing em, I've been getting politely roasted in these parts
for
> > suggesting that men are incredibly sensitive. ...
So why are so very, very few of them aware of it? I found this
extremely unexpected.
> Most men actually are, it is just our conditioning that determines
> otherwise. ...
> .... I wouldn't bother wasting my time with people who are going to
> roast you over what is essentially incidental trivia.
Now this line says something about YOU !!! Don't know why I say it ? I
don't think that I have heard an idea like this before in the context
that you put it. Hmmm
> Still reeling from this morning upset.
>
> http://www.propagandamatrix.com/multimedia/money_masters.html
>
> Three and a half hours... My head is aching and I am still trying to
get
> over it.
This stuff is really getting to you, I can see. Again I find it
remarkable and strange. You seem surprised by it. A new found
discovery. Again, I can't put my finger on what I sense about your
appreciation of all this ... ... it just blows like a full steady wind
at the back of my mind.
1) I am impressed by the very broad covering of this conspiracy
explanation. This great breadth is the manner in which you portray it.
Somehow this matters to me. It says somethiong about your awareness.
2) Do I believe it myself? I say this... I believe that you of all
people could make a convincing argument in its favor.
What intrigues me is that you are strongly encouraging me to 'condense'
an equaly potent, 'alternate' correlation of such information. ...
... an explanation dealing with our total ineptitude concerning
'subjectivity'.
Australia is a bit unusal. The governments there seem to have a history
of deliberate control and action. ... Immigration policy, ... some of
the relic programs from the cold war. You know the examples better
than me. I don't think that there are many countries which have been as
'deliberate' in there attempt to 'control' as the Australian one in
recent decades.
???? ... or am I talking nonsense?
> Are we in deep do do.
Yes. But IMO not for the reason that you currently suppose.
... I notice to myself how I use the 'singular' reason.
I'm not sure why I am doing this running discursive 'aside' commentry
with you. It's as if I have to widen my scope of awareness to match
you. For you, it comes naturally.
> Man... the clouds on the horizon
> are getting darker and strong.
> The darker that cloud gets
> the higher the stakes go.
> Oh boy! I hope that is a crow.
> because if it is a storm
> we are not going to survive.
yet again, AMAZING IMAGERY, em !
Your breadth of view is breath-taking.
Weird. Hope I'm not talking too much B.S.
I can't remember going so far out on a limb to make such a fruit-loop
of myself either. Please excuse me.
;)
Its a bit exhausting for me. Until the next time.
RL