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Waltzing Matilda
computer-literate!), I'm finally breaking my silence to make a comment. And
that would be--I'm amazed at the number of posters who are from Michigan!
Nann, and Donna, and Mel--probably more, but I am unable to add them to the
list at the moment (speak up, Michiganders)--and now, ME! Wow. What is it
about the Big Mitten that churns out so many members, here?
BTW, I think this is in general a terrific group! I have RA, and have
learned way more from all of you over the years than I have the doctors I
have visited. Example: I was told by one so-called rheumatologist that
there is no way I could have RA (never mind I had been diagnosed with RA by
five other rheumatologists prior to my visit with this wonder!) because I
didn't have the "swan's hands." Stop and think about that for a moment. .
. . . . . . . . . . Okay, time's up. That's sorta like saying a tomato
plant cannot be a tomato plant unless and until it produces a tomato. But I
digress. And a good thing, too, because I have way more horror stories than
anyone should ever rack up in one lifetime!
Mel, you are in the Tri-cities area; Nann, you are somewhere near Alpena. I
don't know where you are from, Donna. But I am from Mt. Pleasant, home of
Central Michigan University--woo-hoo!
I haven't lived in Michigan for many years, but it was a great place to grow
up, and I am so saddened to hear about all the economic problems y'all are
having. (That's a clue as to what part of the country I live in now!)
Go Wolverines!
Java Jean
Harvey R. Stone
here. Please take part anywhere you feel good about.
Harv
"Waltzing Matilda" <gout...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.
and then moved to AZ at age 11. I missed the green of MI while in AZ. I am
now 20 years in MO and love the return to green trees and grass and lakes
and streams! And welcome to the group from another long time lurker who
mouths off every once in a while. ;-)
Leslie
"Waltzing Matilda" <gout...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Donna G.
Hi JJ,
Welcome!!!
Glad you came out of hiding and introduced yourself!!! Hope you'll
stick around for a good long while and jump in when ever and where
ever!!!
To give you a clue as to where I am in michigan, I am literally just
down the road from my beloved ( GO BLUE!!! ) Michigan Stadium!!! Home
of the great Wolverines! Did I say GO BLUE!!! LOL
Any ways, sorry to hear you have been through so much, many of us can
definitely relate. That's what we're all here for, though, to support
one another through all of those rough patches as well as the good ones
too!!!
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Donna
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1.) ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......
2.) J.K.M.A.
Waltzing Matilda
Actually, I almost feel as though I know you. . . . You were posting years
ago, when I first checked out this support group, and I have followed your
comments for a long time. You are a "familiar" name!
I especially have enjoyed some of your very entertaining and amusing
reminiscences--little stories you have shared with the group from time to
time about events in your life.
Java Jean
"Harvey R. Stone" <hrs...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Waltzing Matilda
I had a brother who lived in Muskegon for a while. They now are in the
Traverse City area.
I lived in El Paso for a number of years, and I, too, missed the lush
green--at first. Eventually, I began to be able to see the beauty of the
desert, and it all became much less "off-putting" to me once my eyes and
sense of esthetics got adjusted! Whenever it gets too hot and humid where I
am now, I find myself missing that dry heat. So much more tolerable!
Java Jean
"Leslie & The Furbabies in MO." <quilt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Waltzing Matilda
I know where you are . . . approximately! I certainly know where the home
of the Wolverines is. (Go Blue--and save SOME exclamation points. Football
season is just around the corner.)
My Dad's family all hailed from around there. Hillsdale, Jackson, Albion,
etc.
So if I want to root for the Spartans, am I in trouble? (Only kidding!!)
Java Jean
"Donna G." <DKGB...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Harvey R. Stone
> Thank you, Harvey.
>
> Actually, I almost feel as though I know you. . . . You were posting
> years ago, when I first checked out this support group, and I have
> followed your comments for a long time. You are a "familiar" name!
>
> I especially have enjoyed some of your very entertaining and amusing
> reminiscences--little stories you have shared with the group from time to
> time about events in your life.
>
> Java Jean
>
>
Thank you Java Jean,,,, I enjoy sharing,,, I guess even though some of them
bring a little pain with them but not much. LOL
Harv
Gloria Wolfe
Ohio ;-) You should post more; you have a cute sense of humor. Nanny
On 8/19/2008 7:50 AM, gout...@swbell.net wrote to All:
-> As a long-time lurker shy about making my presence known (I'm not all
that
-> computer-literate!), I'm finally breaking my silence to make a comment.
And
-> that would be--I'm amazed at the number of posters who are from
Michigan!
-> Nann, and Donna, and Mel--probably more, but I am unable to add them
to the
-> list at the moment (speak up, Michiganders)--and now, ME! Wow. What
is it
-> about the Big Mitten that churns out so many members, here?
->
-> BTW, I think this is in general a terrific group! I have RA, and have
-> learned way more from all of you over the years than I have the doctors I
-> have visited. Example: I was told by one so-called rheumatologist that
-> there is no way I could have RA (never mind I had been diagnosed with RA
by
-> five other rheumatologists prior to my visit with this wonder!) because I
-> didn't have the "swan's hands." Stop and think about that for a
moment. .
-> .. . . . . . . . . . Okay, time's up. That's sorta like saying a tomato
-> plant cannot be a tomato plant unless and until it produces a tomato. But
I
-> digress. And a good thing, too, because I have way more horror stories
than
-> anyone should ever rack up in one lifetime!
->
-> Mel, you are in the Tri-cities area; Nann, you are somewhere near Alpena.
I
-> don't know where you are from, Donna. But I am from Mt. Pleasant, home
of
-> Central Michigan University--woo-hoo!
->
-> I haven't lived in Michigan for many years, but it was a great place to
grow
-> up, and I am so saddened to hear about all the economic problems y'all
are
-> having. (That's a clue as to what part of the country I live in now!)
->
-> Go Wolverines!
->
-> Java Jean
->
->
Waltzing Matilda
No rivalry from my point of view. But I seem to vaguely remember some kind
of border dispute between MI and OH way back when that wasn't all that warm
and fuzzy! That would be the southern border of MI and the northern border
of OH--and one of those two states kinda got shafted when all the dust
settled. Don't remember all the gory details. It's been a long time since
I studied MI state history!
OH can't be all bad--most of my family migrated there from PA, clustered in
and around Williams County, and then gradually dribbled north across the
(formerly disputed) state line into southern MI. See what happens when
there's no border control? So somewhere in the genetic makeup there lingers
a little touch of OH, still. Increasingly diluted, I must admit . . . .
I'm pretty sure it's okay that we talk to each other now. :-)
Java Jean
"Gloria Wolfe" <gloria...@fidotel.com> wrote in message
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loujeanb
Welcome JJ. My name is Jean, too. Loujean, actually, but went by Jean for
many years. Hated the boys calling me Eugene!!
I think what you are referring to is when there was a decision to be made
about the UP. Michigan could have it if it would give up an area below
Detroit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War
"Under the compromise Michigan gave up its claim to the strip in exchange
for its statehood and approximately three-quarters of the Upper Peninsula.
Although the compromise was considered a poor outcome for Michigan at the
time, the later discovery of copper and iron deposits and the plentiful
timber in the Upper Peninsula more than compensated for the loss of the
strip. "
The reason I remembered that was because my Mom and I were talking about it
a year or so ago.
--
Navy
Take out the FISH to email me.
"Waltzing Matilda" <gout...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Waltzing Matilda
You pegged it--that's exactly the event I partially and vaguely had in mind.
How nice of you to do the scholarly legwork, too. That's impressive! MI
definitely came out on the winning side with this settlement.
There really are quite a few Michiganders on this site, aren't there!
(Sadly.)
Java Jean
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loujeanb
and I don't know, she'll say, "That's ok, you'll look it up on the
internet!" I keep a small pad of paper next to my chair in the living room
where we watch TV. Then if something new or unknown comes up, I can note it
down. One night I even went to two sheets! I don't remember what we
watched, though! The secret on the Internet is knowing *what* to ask and
*how* to ask it.
--
Navy
Take out the FISH to email me.
"Waltzing Matilda" <gout...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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loujeanb
about they've had 12 inches or more of snow on the ground since before
Christmas! I imagine there are a lot of us floating around the country.
--
Navy
Take out the FISH to email me.
"Waltzing Matilda" <gout...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Gloria Wolfe
anyhow. Nanny
On 8/20/2008 8:32 AM, gout...@swbell.net wrote to All:
-> Thank you, Nanny--for both the welcome and the nice compliment!
->
-> No rivalry from my point of view. But I seem to vaguely remember some
kind
-> of border dispute between MI and OH way back when that wasn't all that
warm
-> and fuzzy! That would be the southern border of MI and the northern
border
-> of OH--and one of those two states kinda got shafted when all the dust
-> settled. Don't remember all the gory details. It's been a long time since
-> I studied MI state history!
->
-> OH can't be all bad--most of my family migrated there from PA, clustered
in
-> and around Williams County, and then gradually dribbled north across the
-> (formerly disputed) state line into southern MI. See what happens when
-> there's no border control? So somewhere in the genetic makeup there
lingers
-> a little touch of OH, still. Increasingly diluted, I must admit . . . .
->
-> I'm pretty sure it's okay that we talk to each other now. :-)
->
-> Java Jean
->
->
->
->
->
->
-> "Gloria Wolfe" <gloria...@fidotel.com> wrote in message
-> news:1219200768.1...@fidotel.com...
-> > Hello Java Jean! No, I'm not from Michigan; but I am from your rival
-> > state:
-> > Ohio ;-) You should post more; you have a cute sense of humor. Nanny
-> >
-> >
->
->
Waltzing Matilda
not as successful as I might be, I suspect, because I am not all that
computer literate. (Yet.) I'm more or less a "keyboard" person--never have
totally made the intellectual transition from keyboard to the idea of
"computer." Nevertheless, I keep trying. . . . I may have lost some
physical ground with the RA, but that mental curiosity that has been so
active all my life is still there and prodding me to keep learning.
Do you suppose growing up in a college town had something to do with that?
I definitely do. There's something about being close to an academic center
that spreads throughout the community and affects it and its residents in
many subtle ways.
I've often felt that living in today's world has so many more benefits for
the chronically afflicted than, say, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, or even
50 years ago. Just look at all we have right at our fingertips when we are
unable to get out and about! Telephones, radio, TV, the internet, books
delivered right to your door, support groups online--it's absolutely amazing
how much of the world we can access. We can continue to stay engaged in the
world in so many ways.
In Randy Pausch's book, "The Last Lecture," he asserts there are two kinds
of families: (1) Those who cannot get through dinner without the
encyclopedia, and (2) those who can. Suppertime, in my family's house, when
I was growing up, often ended up with encyclopedias, textbooks,
dictionaries, and heaven-only-knows-what-else scattered across the table. I
have a hunch you also came from a #1 kind of family!
Java Jean
Nann Bell
(in message <xkzqk.18288$xZ.1...@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>):
> Mel, you are in the Tri-cities area; Nann, you are somewhere near Alpena. I
> don't know where you are from, Donna. But I am from Mt. Pleasant, home of
> Central Michigan University--woo-hoo!
........................
> Go Wolverines!
>
> Java Jean
Excuse me, but if you are from Mt. Pleasant, shouldn't that be "Go
Chippewas!"? ;-)
In all honesty, I'm a southern girl learning much about living in a 4 snow
shovel household. The summers are a heck of a lot milder, especially up
here, getting close to the bridge, but the winters are waaaaay too long!
I hope you don't entirely disappear back into the bushes because I already
like the way you say things & your obvious spirit! And you don't have to be
that computer literate to stick around - if you have any problems ask &
several folks more knowlegeable will help you out. And you have the same
name (Jean) as my sister, so you must be all right! ;-)
--
Nann
remove the Gator cheer to email me
Change everything. Love & forgive.
Nann Bell
(in message <6h04dnF...@mid.individual.net>):
> I am also from Michigan- born there (Grand Haven area near-ish to Muskegon)
> and then moved to AZ at age 11. I missed the green of MI while in AZ. I am
> now 20 years in MO and love the return to green trees and grass and lakes
> and streams!
I think there are desert people and non-desert people. I'm truly one of the
latter. I can understand about deserts having their own beauty and how some
people can love that, but it just isn't for me. I, too, need green and trees
and flowers. The southern Appalachians are where my spirit soars.
But if we all oved the same terrain, things would get mighty crowded in some
areas!
Nann Bell
(in message <0QBqk.18317$xZ.1...@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>):
> Hi, Leslie--and Furbabies. Thank you for the welcome.
>
> I had a brother who lived in Muskegon for a while. They now are in the
> Traverse City area.
we've been over there a lot lately, mostly because we were car-shopping over
there for a while. The differences between the east and west sides of the
tip of the mitt always amaze me.
Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.
true desert although dry and we had a lot of rather barren and unfertile
ground there. But I am firmly a forest and green grass and flowers person-
bring it on weeds and all!
Leslie
"Nann Bell" <hanbell...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Nann Bell
that venison steak someone gave us...........
--
Nann
remove the Gator cheer to email me
Change everything. Love & forgive.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:23:12 -0400, Waltzing Matilda wrote
(in message <qoirk.18961$jI5....@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>):
Waltzing Matilda
Hello, Nann!
You are correct in that CMU is the home of "The Chippewas"--Go Chips!! What
I had in mind didn't make it through with clarity, though! You have to keep
me on the straight and narrow. . . . I tend to go flaky at times!
I was attempting to make that old writerly move from the bigger picture
(Michigan) to the up-close personal (CMU) and then didn't make the jump
back to the bigger view again clear before I typed "Go Wolverines." As in,
all Michiganders (of the Wolverine State). Chips, non-Chips, and dips
alike.
Mea culpa.
The winter before I threw up my hands and said goodbye to MI was a
particularly horrible one, even for MI, and I just had HAD it with trying to
get to work, lugging small children to the baby-sitter, shoveling out the
driveway, and on and on and on. So when summer came, we just packed
everything up in a brave little Ford Falcon, sold everything that would not
fit, and headed West. No more winters of the MI variety for me. I've been
back numerous times to visit (in the summer, thank you very much), and love
all my memories of growing up there, but have not missed the winters at all.
I always enjoy reading your postings, Nann. You seem to be able to add a
little personal anecdote to each one that makes readers feel as though they
know you, and that makes for comfortable and easy reading! I have two
sisters, neither of them named Nann, but I think you must be all right, too.
. . .
Go ______________!! (Fill in the blank.)
Java Jean
loujeanb
questions and if I didn't know the answer we would look it up. The one that
really threw me, though, was what one son popped up with as I was driving
along. "Mom, what's a whorehouse?" !!! Fortunately, we had discussed many
things, so it didn't throw me quite as much as it would other people. I
thought for a minute and then the answer came to me. I said, "It's a place
where women have sex for money instead of for love." "Oh, ok." and that was
it. I guess he found out what happens with sex as he is the father of my
precious Scarlett.news:qoirk.18961$jI5....@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
loujeanb
with ours in the garage (excessively snowed in!) A neighbor up the street
was the only one who had access to his shovel, so he went next door and
shoveled to the door of the garage for his neighbor. They did it down the
street, each one helping his neighbor.
Loujean
--
Navy
Take out the FISH to email me.
"Nann Bell" <hanbell...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Donna G.
JJ,
ROFL!!!
No, if you want to cheer on the Spartans, go right ahead, just don't
expect me to support them at all!
I am loyal to my Wolverines and will always cheer them on no matter what
type of season they are having!!!
I can't wait for the college football season starts! I LOVE that time
of year!!!
Wooooohooooooooo!!!
Glad to have you join our wonderful family here!!!
Harvey R. Stone
> more comment to come, but I have to look upon the internet how best to
> cook
> that venison steak someone gave us...........
>
> --
> Nann
Oh my,,,, venison steak,,,, reminds me of the time that the butcher came
after me with a cleaver on my second job one day. The day before,, he was
gone for the day and I was working in the evening. A man came in and asked
if he could use the stores meat band saw on a deer he had killed. I said
sure if you clean it up after you use it. After the guy left, I forgot to
check the saw and the butcher was waiting on me the next day.. Boy oh boy
did I clean that saw up Goooood. The other guy that worked with us
laughed and laughed and laughed while he sat on his buttt behind the
register (all he ever did). He died of heart failure 6 months later and I
found out why he sat on his buttttt all the time. The butcher was a short
thin man that walked around each day with several bullets here and there
where a Zero shot him up after he hit the silk when he jumped out of his
tail gunner position on a DC-something during the second world war. Let me
tell you,,, he was 7 foot tall when he was mad at me and that clever in his
hand. LOLOL
Harv
Califchief
> . . . . I tend to go flaky at times!
Have you tried Heads and Shoulders for that? <VBG>
(The devil made me do it, I swear!)
... Zen and the Art of E-Mail: Be the message...
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Waltzing Matilda
I love football season, too--not so much the pro teams as the college teams.
There is something more "genuine" and earnest about college football that
gets all glossed over, slicked up, and leached out by the time the sport
gets to the pro level that tends to turn me off. So I like to watch college
games--and often I have no real preference for one team or another, but I
find I like to root for the underdog in such cases.
(That's a left-handed gig to the Spartans, in case anyone missed it!)
Isn't Fall the greatest season? It's my favorite. Fresh-pressed cider, the
smell of burning leaves, trees so beautiful as their colors change . . . .
Just the best time of the year, in my estimation!
Java Jean
Waltzing Matilda
(Insert humbly smiling emoticon face here.)
JJ
Nann Bell
(in message <6h642lF...@mid.individual.net>):
> Well, I was up in Flagstaff/Grand Canyon for about 27 years, so it wasn't a
> true desert although dry and we had a lot of rather barren and unfertile
> ground there. But I am firmly a forest and green grass and flowers person-
> bring it on weeds and all!
>
I always liked Di A's sig line "may all your weeds be wildflowers". The
fella who mows around the gravel parking lot that is behind our back yard has
been leaving a wider & wider buffer zone of weeds/wildflowers between us.
Not only have we enjoyed looking at it, but Puddin' obviously considers it an
ideal spot to lurk in when he's out with us! We used to let part of our
G'ville yard go to wildflowers but we just don't feel we can do that while we
live in church owned housing.
Nann Bell
(in message <qoirk.18961$jI5....@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>):
> Methinks we are kindred spirits, Loujean. I love doing research, too. I'm
> not as successful as I might be, I suspect, because I am not all that
> computer literate.
well, if you know how to search on Google, that's about all the computer
literates you need for looking things up. That and the knowledge to look
around at several sites, or to look at the sources, to decide on the site's
veracity.
>
> Do you suppose growing up in a college town had something to do with that?
> I definitely do. There's something about being close to an academic center
> that spreads throughout the community and affects it and its residents in
> many subtle ways.
Isn't that so true? When I lived in Gainesville (Home of Univ. of Florida,
if you can't guess from my spam block, heehee) I was really aware of how even
the folks who barely finished high school were curious about things. At the
hospital where I worked, even the housekeeping staff had a fair amount of
medical knowledge - just picked up from asking questions and listening to the
answers.
It also seemed to pay off in terms of self-respect of the people - folks
really wouldn't put up with being mistreated at work and employers had to
treat their folks decently or they would walk. But employers who value
knowledgeable workers will flock to college towns. It makes such a
difference in the quality of life overall.
>
> I've often felt that living in today's world has so many more benefits for
> the chronically afflicted than, say, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, or even
> 50 years ago.
even more than 20 years ago. When I was first diagnosed, I read everything I
could get my hands on in Asheville, NC, where I lived at the time. Being a
student at UNC-A then, I was able to go through the university library at
will. I found some valuable stuff, but a few hours spent going through old
posts on this group would tell me all I learned then. I was blessed with an
execllent first RD, but would I have known it then if he was a poorly
informed one? (though I was working at a hospital there, too & has asked
around a lot before choosing my PCP and that PCP approved of this RD....)
>
> In Randy Pausch's book, "The Last Lecture," he asserts there are two kinds
> of families: (1) Those who cannot get through dinner without the
> encyclopedia, and (2) those who can. Suppertime, in my family's house, when
> I was growing up, often ended up with encyclopedias, textbooks,
> dictionaries, and heaven-only-knows-what-else scattered across the table.
we used to be like that, but don't seem to do it as much when we are together
for dinner now. That may well be because we have so much else to catch up on
now though. When we gather at Mother's house, there's always trouble if
she's moved her dictionaries & we can't find them! LOL - but there's always
the computer to look things up on now. With the computer, she gave away the
1948 Encyclopdia Britainnica (sp?) that Daddy bought years & years ago (used,
but slightly back then). He used to read that in the evenings - just sit
down & read the Encyclopedia for a while. It was disappointing for me though
when i was first hearing aout Iwo Jima and it wasn't in there..... (published
too soon after the war).
When i first left home for college in Ft. Worth, I felt like I'd left an
entire reference library back home in my family. Hardly a surprise that I
ultimately married someone with his own treasure trove of trivia in his mind.
Nann Bell
Heh, and that reminds me - when Mike hit a deer driving home one night, he
was asked later if he'd stopped and collected the meat - or at least the best
cuts. They said you aren't a true northern Michigander until you harvest, if
you will, the deer you accidentally kill. Mike decided he'll never be truely
of the area then!
--
Nann
remove the Gator cheer to email me
Change everything. Love & forgive.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:53:07 -0400, Harvey R. Stone wrote
(in message <FKqrk.20452$uE5....@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com>):
Nann Bell
(in message <Gflrk.8319$cn7....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com>):
> I was attempting to make that old writerly move from the bigger picture
> (Michigan) to the up-close personal (CMU) and then didn't make the jump
> back to the bigger view again clear before I typed "Go Wolverines." As in,
> all Michiganders (of the Wolverine State). Chips, non-Chips, and dips
> alike.
ahhhh, I was having a bit of fun teasing ya! Our public radio & TV stations
are from CMU so we hear a ot about them.
When my hsband took his current job, one of the "interview" questions from
the congregation, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, was "Michigan or Micigan State?"
But he was ready for them & replied, "neither - Florida Gators!" They
accused him, teasingly, of using that to wiggle out of the question and he
told them that woman over there will have my hide if I say anything else!
LOL We truly are Gator fans, but it HAS been convenient here as a way to
avoid ticking off anyone! And folks have fun teasing us about it all.
> The winter before I threw up my hands and said goodbye to MI was a
> particularly horrible one, even for MI, and I just had HAD it with trying to
> get to work, lugging small children to the baby-sitter, shoveling out the
> driveway, and on and on and on. So when summer came, we just packed
> everything up in a brave little Ford Falcon, sold everything that would not
> fit, and headed West. No more winters of the MI variety for me. I've been
> back numerous times to visit (in the summer, thank you very much), and love
> all my memories of growing up there, but have not missed the winters at all.
I can imagine it would really wear on you trying to manage a family, bundling
up small kids and all that, while dealing with winter. Do you still live in
some mild climate out west?
>
> I always enjoy reading your postings, Nann. You seem to be able to add a
> little personal anecdote to each one that makes readers feel as though they
> know you, and that makes for comfortable and easy reading!
That was part of the mutual attraction between Mike & I - we both love to
tell sotries! And being around extroverted Mike has improved the
story-telling of this person from an introverted family. But now that we've
known each other for 20 eyars, we've had to develop a code for when we're
repeating a story the oter knows quite well! Neither one of us can readily
stop telling the other a good tale! LOL
>
> Go ______________!! (Fill in the blank.)
GATORS! (heehee) and my sister Jean would agree with me...........
Nann Bell
(in message <wcNNTP.01c903d7.ce0...@fidotel.com>):
> Just remember to have at least one shovel in the house! We got caught once
> with ours in the garage (excessively snowed in!) A neighbor up the street
> was the only one who had access to his shovel, so he went next door and
> shoveled to the door of the garage for his neighbor. They did it down the
> street, each one helping his neighbor.
>
> Loujean
>
>
Oh, man. That is something I've never thought of! Fortunately our garage is
attached, but there have been times just in our 4 years here when it would
have been difficult to get to an unattached garage, unless you'd kept
shoveling through the storm. You've given me even more reason to prefer
attached garages! Thank goodness for those good neighbors who helped
everyone out.
I get annoyed with the oiginal builder of this house every winter. to begin
with, he had a curb put in on one side of the single car driveway. We either
have to push the snow completely across the drive & the parking space for the
second car, or we have to truly shovel it up over the curb and the piles of
snow that have accumulated. But the wind is usually coming from that
direction, so if you toss the snow up with the shovel, it just blows back in
your face!
And adding insult to injury, the garage is set back from the road a good 20
feet more than the from of the house. Argh! not only does that make for more
shoveling, but it puts the front door of the house closer to the 2nd busiest
street in town. If he'd reversed the proximity of the two to the road,
shoveling would be easier and the living room would be quieteer, esp. in
summer when we open the door for ventilation!
Ok, rant over...................
Harvey R. Stone
> LOLOL! Harv - you have some of the best stories!
>
> Heh, and that reminds me - when Mike hit a deer driving home one night, he
> was asked later if he'd stopped and collected the meat - or at least the
> best
> cuts. They said you aren't a true northern Michigander until you harvest,
> if
> you will, the deer you accidentally kill. Mike decided he'll never be
> truely
> of the area then!
>
> --
> Nann
LOLOL,,, Those deer ticks come with the cuts of meat and as the meat cools
in the back of your car,,,, they become part of your life. Ask Di about
those ticks.... and you can only do that in certain times of the year.
I knew a man that kept a double sided walk in ref. with the deep meat
that come from the garden near his house and he sold the meat. Its the law
that you can protect your garden from deer but this guy had a 6 or 7 foot
fence with a three wire set up that leaned into the garden..... which means
that the deer could jump in but not out.... He had a cement pad with a
tripod hoist a hose to clean up his work.
Myself,,, it has to be cooked a certain way and is usually tuffff but
makes good chili meat. Hhhhm, I remember the time when about 30 or so
guys cooked chili in large black iron kettles with iced beer and a guy that
made marguerites' all night all the good stuff in them. Another guy brought
french bread already lightly cooked with garlic butter and we ran out of
that real fast. I think we could of elected sheriffsss, mayors, and gov's
that night because we had a barrel of beans on the fire to produce enough
gas for that kind of discussion. :-) Politics,,,, Texas style wayyy out in
the country.
Harv
Waltzing Matilda
(Love to hear the locals say "purt-near," as in "almost"!!)
We moved to the DFW area 10 years ago--left my subtly beautiful desert
surroundings in El Paso, reluctantly, and followed husband to North Texas,
compliments of his employer. I know El Paso is looked down upon as an
orphaned, grimy, runny-nosed step-child by the rest of Texas, but I really
found it an interesting and, in some funky ways, being right on the border,
more cosmopolitan than Dallas! At least in terms of tolerance for
"otherness." Lived there for 17 years, and really enjoyed it. No small
part of that enjoyment came from living close to UTEP and following the
rhythm of the school year as evidenced by the amount of cars parked along
our street. You definitely knew when school was in session! Bumper to
bumper up and down the entire street. And you also knew when it was MWF,
the days of the week most students were on campus! TTh the curb space in
front of our house was not so much in demand.
Well, I'll be dipped! (Another local expression. Did you guess?) How long
were you in FW?
I am not fond of the Dallas part of the DFW metroplex. (Sorry, Dallasites.)
FW seems to have a more laid-back aura, and I've enjoyed visiting the
stockyards, watching the longhorns meander along the streets, etc. There is
a charming little railroad that runs from Grapevine, TX, to FW and then back
later that same day several times a week--the Tarantula Express. LOL We've
taken that trip twice. The railroad station in FW is very close to the
stockyard area, with lots of little shops and restaurants. Makes for a
great one-day outing. I think it leaves Grapevine about 1:00, and returns
about 9-10:00 at night. They give you just enough time to wander around,
sightsee, do some shopping, get a nice meal, and watch the longhorns being
herded through the area. The "Running of the Longhorns." HA. We took my
sister-in-law over there once, and she was soooooo disappointed the
longhorns didn't actually run! "They're just ambling--shuffling," she said.
Yup. They were. But I wanna tell you, SIL, you really do NOT want to see
them a-runnin'! Boy, howdy, you want those steers only to shuffle and
amble!!!
Well, being from Mt. Pleasant, it's no surprise that I would prefer that
less urban, small-town feel! Which El Paso had, despite its extensive
geographic sprawl wrapping around the foot of the Franklin Mountains and
running along the Rio Grande for miles and miles. It covers a lot of miles,
but still used to have that small-town feel to it.
I saw in the paper this A.M. that the drug cartel problems in Juarez (right
across the Rio from El Paso) continue to escalate, and that is so sad to
read! When we first moved to EP 27 years ago, going to Juarez for dinner or
to shop was relatively safe. You could walk across the bridge almost any
time of the day or night, have a very nice time for very little money, and
feel very comfortable. I'm so sorry it has changed so radically! The small
shop-owners must be suffering.
So now I have lots of green again, and four distinct seasons. But I think
overall I was happier in El Paso. . . .
Java Jean
"Nann Bell" <hanbell...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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d'huit
and you're right! this is a terrific group, apart from rusty rump and a few
others of his ilk.
my husband butch, who passed away 5 years ago, was from lincoln park (born
and raised there), though his extended family members lived all over mich.
he loved growing up there, as well; and it sounded to me like it was a great
place to grow up, too. so, since you no longer live in mich., where do you
live now??? the south? i'm terrible at guessing.LOL
i think most of us have horror stories we could tell; and i sometimes wonder
how some of us have survived them. but "more than anyone should ever rack
up in one lifetime!"? whoa! sounds like you've been through a lot.
stick around and have fun here, jean.
warmly,
kate
"Waltzing Matilda" <gout...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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As a long-time lurker shy about making my presence known (I'm not all that
computer-literate!), I'm finally breaking my silence to make a comment. And
that would be--I'm amazed at the number of posters who are from Michigan!
Nann, and Donna, and Mel--probably more, but I am unable to add them to the
list at the moment (speak up, Michiganders)--and now, ME! Wow. What is it
about the Big Mitten that churns out so many members, here?
BTW, I think this is in general a terrific group! I have RA, and have
learned way more from all of you over the years than I have the doctors I
have visited. Example: I was told by one so-called rheumatologist that
there is no way I could have RA (never mind I had been diagnosed with RA by
five other rheumatologists prior to my visit with this wonder!) because I
didn't have the "swan's hands." Stop and think about that for a moment. .
. . . . . . . . . . Okay, time's up. That's sorta like saying a tomato
plant cannot be a tomato plant unless and until it produces a tomato. But I
digress. And a good thing, too, because I have way more horror stories than
anyone should ever rack up in one lifetime!
Mel, you are in the Tri-cities area; Nann, you are somewhere near Alpena. I
don't know where you are from, Donna. But I am from Mt. Pleasant, home of
Central Michigan University--woo-hoo!
I haven't lived in Michigan for many years, but it was a great place to grow
up, and I am so saddened to hear about all the economic problems y'all are
having. (That's a clue as to what part of the country I live in now!)
Go Wolverines!
Java Jean
d'huit
12+ hours in the frig.
kate
"Nann Bell" <hanbell...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Michael B
in Eaton, Ohio on the weekend of September 20th, but got
invited to a wedding instead. It was a tough choice, but since
I was supposed to be one of the participants, we had to skip
it this year. Too bad, the last of the apple butter, no sugar
added, is almost gone. And my wife's cousin is waiting to
get us back into the late-evening Dominoes game.
I LOVE the Dayton air museum, it is really neat to see the
level of artistry they had with wood.
On Aug 19, 10:52 pm, gloria.wo...@fidotel.com (Gloria Wolfe) wrote:
> Hello Java Jean! No, I'm not from Michigan; but I am from your rival state:
> Ohio ;-)
Nann Bell
(in message <bmBrk.22306$N87....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>):
> You went to college in FORT WORTH? Yowza! That's purt-near in my backyard.
> (Love to hear the locals say "purt-near," as in "almost"!!)
ah, that's a fairly common expression throughout the south - right up there
with "well, bless your heart!"
>
> No small
> part of that enjoyment came from living close to UTEP and following the
> rhythm of the school year as evidenced by the amount of cars parked along
> our street.
Ah, i know that sense, though we lived far enough from campus that
neighborhood parking wasn't affected. All of my life, iin Gainesville you
know the students are back when certain streets become impossible to drive
down, certain sores become crowded, etc. It hasn't been AS dramatic of late
because UF is so crowded every student is now required to attend at least one
summer session while there. Even now, with the town (and UF) being larger,
everyone knows when the students are back - even the folks who don't care
about football! LOL But it all lends a certain energy to things you don't
get in a non-college community. That's why we're thinking of retireing to
the Boone, NC area. It would get us back to the Appalachian mountains we
both love, but also get us back to a clooege community again.
>
> Well, I'll be dipped! (Another local expression. Did you guess?) How long
> were you in FW?
Just under 3 years at TCU - from fall of 75 through spring of 78. Between
not really knowing what I wanted to do & spending a little too much time
playing around, I decided to drop out for a while and finish up later. LOL
Now that I look back on it, it think it was a real disappointment to me to
start college just as the 60s & early 70s were calming down on college
campuses. After years of living on the fringe of all the protests around UF,
I hit college just as all of that was dying out. I was in the mood to be a
rabble-rouser!
I had a lot of fun and have some fond memories though. One of the friends I
made than still lives in Grand Prairie, though the ohers I still know of are
scattered far & wide.
>
> I am not fond of the Dallas part of the DFW metroplex. (Sorry, Dallasites.)
> FW seems to have a more laid-back aura, and I've enjoyed visiting the
> stockyards, watching the longhorns meander along the streets, etc.
I know what you mean - I felt that way back in the 70s. I well remember at
that time Dallas called Ft. Worth "Cowtown", meaning it as an insult, but FW
didn't mind as they considered it a compliment! And Dallas talked about
trying to be the NYC of the west, thinking it was desireable, while FW
wondered why anyone would want to be NYC! Most amusing tensions!
LOL - I was out there when the show Dallas first aired. Man, oh man, were
folks fired up about it originally! Dallasites of the time were greatly
insulted about that show being named for their town. The local network
affilitate even stopped airing it for the rest of that first year. Then the
show became a huge hit and suddenly the area decided to embrace it.........
> Well, being from Mt. Pleasant, it's no surprise that I would prefer that
> less urban, small-town feel! Which El Paso had, despite its extensive
> geographic sprawl wrapping around the foot of the Franklin Mountains and
> running along the Rio Grande for miles and miles. It covers a lot of miles,
> but still used to have that small-town feel to it.
I think that smaller town feel also has more to do with attitude than with
layout. I have never been a big-city girl, never felt any desire to live in
NYC or LA or even Dallas or Atlanta. But 8 years ago we moved to Boston so
Mike could go to seminary. Boston is alright, or as I kept telling folks,
"I'm not a big city girl, but for a big city, Boston just doesn't feel like
one!" Over time, the noise & closeness of everything would still get to me,
but the general feel is much more small town, because here are so many
communities and neighborhoods that have held on to that local feeling. There
is still that Yankee reticence you find in New England, but that is a NE US
thing, not a big city thing. And we lifelong southerers began to dig some
chinks in it over time & with that determined friendliness of the south.
heehee
Nann Bell
(in message <nWArk.8349$cn7....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com>):
> Myself,,, it has to be cooked a certain way and is usually tuffff but
> makes good chili meat. Hhhhm, I remember the time when about 30 or so
> guys cooked chili in large black iron kettles with iced beer and a guy that
> made marguerites' all night all the good stuff in them. Another guy brought
> french bread already lightly cooked with garlic butter and we ran out of
> that real fast. I think we could of elected sheriffsss, mayors, and gov's
> that night because we had a barrel of beans on the fire to produce enough
> gas for that kind of discussion. :-) Politics,,,, Texas style wayyy out in
> the country.
> Harv
sounds like one heck of a party! In the past, we were given cheap cuts of
venison that had long since past their prime in the freezer and we didn't
care for it at all. This generous fellow though gave us some venison round
steak from last season. I marinated it in red wine, cooked it lightly in
butter, then sauteed some onions, garlic & red wine to top it with. Yum!
Waltzing Matilda
nice to welcomed.
I agree this is a terrific group--and I don't do either rust or ilk. I'm
all for harmony and civility, thank you very much! And I think I'm very
much in need of a support group right now, so I'm glad y'awl (!) are here.
MI was a great place to grow up, especially the small towns. Lots of good
recollections! I now live in the Greater DFW metroplex area, but have lived
many places since leaving MI, including 6 years in Germany. Which I
absolutely loved!! I really did not want to come back to the US after that
many years in Europe. I would have been perfectly happy to have lived the
rest of my life on the Continent. Traveled a lot, saw a lot, did a
lot--including attending the 1972 Olympics in Munich. So this past two
weeks of Olympic-watching has really brought back a flood of memories about
that experience.
Java Jean
"d'huit" <threec...@comcast2.net> wrote in message
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DeeTee
Jean. You are welcomed to drop in any time. Now - no more running and hiding
in those woods. You stay out here and play.
DeeTee
"Waltzing Matilda" <gout...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Nann Bell
(in message <GaCsk.17726$LG4....@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>):
> Thank you, d'huit. I recognize you as a fairly frequent poster, too. It's
> nice to welcomed.
>
> I agree this is a terrific group--and I don't do either rust or ilk. I'm
> all for harmony and civility, thank you very much! And I think I'm very
> much in need of a support group right now, so I'm glad y'awl (!) are here.
>
> MI was a great place to grow up, especially the small towns. Lots of good
> recollections! I now live in the Greater DFW metroplex area, but have lived
> many places since leaving MI, including 6 years in Germany.
^ yearsin Germany! We visited there last summer with my mom & sister & my
husband applied for a job in Frankfurt last winter (we knew it was a long
shot for him, but he felt he had to try). A high school friend from band has
been living in Bonn for 20 years now. He says it's only recently that
they've considered moving back to the states when they retire, but they're
still torn somewhat about it. He's been able to travel a lot around Europe &
the US both with the symphony & the quartet he's part of.
Nann Bell
(in message <VLidndEmdM0QTyzV...@comcast.com>):
> suggestion: first marinade it in apple cider (not apple juice) for about
> 12+ hours in the frig.
>
I'll keep that in mind for the next time - if I can find cider at our little
store here in town. Usually they just have apple juice and I generally don't
think ahead more than a day or two on what to thaw out in the freezer. (If I
think farther ahead, something comes up to radically change Mike's schedule!)
This time i marinated the steaks in red wine and they were tasty, helped by
the fact we were given good venison steaks. Mike always has some red wine in
the house, so i always have that opion! It's wonderful to have the internet
to research stuff on quickly in cases like that meal.....
Nann Bell
(in message
<4c52f26c-7e62-4596...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>):
> Really. We were going to be going to the Pork Festival
> in Eaton, Ohio on the weekend of September 20th, but got
> invited to a wedding instead. It was a tough choice, but since
> I was supposed to be one of the participants, we had to skip
> it this year.
Oh, baby - a Pork Festival! We both really like pork, but the DH works
weekends. Well, from the schedule it doesn't look like they have any good
smoked pork on the line-up and we can get the rest locally.
Too bad, the last of the apple butter, no sugar
> added, is almost gone.
make some of your own - there's no shortage of recipes on the internet and
apple butter is easy to make. I need to make more this fall as we seem to be
down to our las jar. (I did add sugar in that batch, but it takes so little
with all the fructose from the apples.)
And my wife's cousin is waiting to
> get us back into the late-evening Dominoes game.
> I LOVE the Dayton air museum, it is really neat to see the
> level of artistry they had with wood.
hmmmm, never have stopped off in Dayton, but this may be a reasno to do so
next summer when we're driving between northern MI and our planned camping &
hiking vacation in the southern appalachians.
Waltzing Matilda
I am positive I am not getting ALL messages posted. And I don't know
why--it's just the way it is! I can track threads, and by the contents of
the postings know that not all are getting through! Does anyone know why
this happens?
Actually, I've been in your little corner of the world off and on as a
lurker since before we moved from El Paso to the Dallas area! That has been
more than ten years! (I am shy!!)
I remember well Larry in Florida, and also a Kitty from a long time ago.
Maybe Harvey can jump in here and enlighten me/us as to who it is I am
remembering. Kitty was very feisty and funny--even outrageous at times.
And Larry was just one of a kind. Extremely intelligent! So it has been an
interesting journey. . . . It's the kind of experience I'm pretty sure most
of us have had before via the telephone. We talk to someone, usually in a
job setting, we've never met before, but after a period of time begin to
feel we "know" this person. Even begin to picture what that person may look
like. And then, if you ever do meet that person, you may be surprised at
times that the voice and your speculation about their appearance are not
even be close! I do sometimes picture what individual members of the arth
group look like--just based on their "conversations."
I'm curious, now. How many of you have posted for ten years or more on
alt.support.arthritis? I probably should add "lurking" for ten years or
more, too, so I can stand up and wave my hand and say, "Me! I have!"
Java Jean
"DeeTee" <ke3iu_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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d'huit
Thank you, d'huit.
***just call me kate.<smile> "d'huit" is a contraction of a celtic
blessing.
I recognize you as a fairly frequent poster, too. It's
nice to welcomed.
***it's nice, for us, to have long time lurkers join our family.
I agree this is a terrific group--and I don't do either rust or ilk. I'm
all for harmony and civility, thank you very much! And I think I'm very
much in need of a support group right now, so I'm glad y'awl (!) are here.
***i'm sorry to hear that you need to be here, like the rest of us. but i'm
glad you're here, because you've chosen well. these people are wonderful,
knowledgible, informative, generous with their time and patience, their love
and caring, and their laughter and tears.
MI was a great place to grow up, especially the small towns. Lots of good
recollections!
*** born in '42, my husband, who passed away 5 years ago, was born and
raised in lincoln park. his family roots go way back in mich., to the
trappers and trading companies along the great lakes. he, too, loved being
raised there.
I now live in the Greater DFW metroplex area, but have lived
many places since leaving MI, including 6 years in Germany. Which I
absolutely loved!! I really did not want to come back to the US after that
many years in Europe. I would have been perfectly happy to have lived the
rest of my life on the Continent. Traveled a lot, saw a lot, did a
lot--including attending the 1972 Olympics in Munich. So this past two
weeks of Olympic-watching has really brought back a flood of memories about
that experience.
***aha! that's what the "y'awl" clue was about -- dallas/ft. worth. have
only been there a couple of times, long ago. how fortunate you were to have
had the opportunity to live in europe for 6 years. i can understand your
affection for the continent. i've never made it there, always wanted to go
there (did make it to japan in '83, but for only just shy of 3 weeks.
still, i relished the experience. the u.s. is such a "new place" by
comparison. our continent is like a big tree with broad but shallow roots,
in terms of history.). have always been a huge believer that travel
broadens one's perspectives. so, you were at the munich olympics, w0w! no
wonder the memories are flooding back for you; you were a part of olympic
history there.
i do hope you'll hang with us. you've got a lot to offer us and i hope we
can reciprocate.
warmly,
kate
Harvey R. Stone
> Appreciate the greeting, Dee Tee.
>
> I am positive I am not getting ALL messages posted. And I don't know
> why--it's just the way it is! I can track threads, and by the contents of
> the postings know that not all are getting through! Does anyone know why
> this happens?
Yes,,, your server drops what is called -packets- collections of
information which could hold your emails or posts in a newsgroup. Some
servers are worse than others and sometimes a person gets fed up with it and
changes ISP.
>
> Actually, I've been in your little corner of the world off and on as a
> lurker since before we moved from El Paso to the Dallas area! That has
> been more than ten years! (I am shy!!)
>
> I remember well Larry in Florida, and also a Kitty from a long time ago.
> Maybe Harvey can jump in here and enlighten me/us as to who it is I am
> remembering. Kitty was very feisty and funny--even outrageous at times.
> And Larry was just one of a kind. Extremely intelligent!
Yes,,, she was and a little bit on the political right side.... The fact
that she could not express herself here without some of the people in this
newsgroup started to not reply or pointedly leave her post out as though it
did not happen. Broke her heart,,, really hurt her. As rufff and tough
as she was with trolls and over the counter product salesman,,,, she was
very tender with the people she loved and she faded away as her health got
worse and worse. It really was painful to know how bad her day was.
So it has been an
> interesting journey. . . . It's the kind of experience I'm pretty sure
> most of us have had before via the telephone. We talk to someone, usually
> in a job setting, we've never met before, but after a period of time begin
> to feel we "know" this person. Even begin to picture what that person may
> look like. And then, if you ever do meet that person, you may be
> surprised at times that the voice and your speculation about their
> appearance are not even be close! I do sometimes picture what individual
> members of the arth group look like--just based on their "conversations."
>
> I'm curious, now. How many of you have posted for ten years or more on
> alt.support.arthritis? I probably should add "lurking" for ten years or
> more, too, so I can stand up and wave my hand and say, "Me! I have!"
>
> Java Jean
JJ,,,, what were you called back when?
Harv
Waltzing Matilda
We lived in the Frankfurt area--what did you think of it? And what parts of
Germany did you visit?
Twenty years for your friend makes him a native! Makes my six years look
puny and piddly. But believe me, six years was almost (purt-near) enough to
make a full-fledged Deutschlander out of me.
We also traveled a lot. We bought a VW camper-bus our second year there,
and sometimes we vacationed with the kinder and sometimes we vacationed
"mitaus kinder." I counted up once the number of countries we
visited--seems to me like it came to 27. I'm too lazy today to recount and
see if that's right! Just somewhere between 20 and 30. Close enough for
guv'munt work.
My very favoritest place was Greece. It was so beautiful! So steeped in
culture and that sense of the great forces that shaped the temperament of
the Western World. The people were wonderful, and a surprising number of
them spoke English. The biggest problem we had there was reading the signs.
We'd stop at an intersection, scratch our heads, try to convert from the
Greek alphabet to more familiar characters, and be totally bumfuzzled. All
Greek to us. . . . Invariably, however, someone would come along and in
fairly decent but imperfect English ask if we needed help! Maps,
good-humored and patient instructions in cracked English, and lots of
gesturing would get us straightened around (for a few more blocks, anyway).
Our thanks and praise for the Good Samaritan's English abilities would often
be followed with something like this:
"I have a cousin in Chicago." You do? "Yes. He own a restaurant. A
beautiful Greek restaurant." How wonderful! "You know him?" What? "You
know my cousin?" Uh . . . no. "He there for ten years." Ooooooh. Uh-huh.
"You go to Chicago. You see my cousin." Okay. We'll be sure to do that!
"He fix beautiful food for you. You like him!"
Lots and lots of Greek cousins are wandering around America somewhere. If
not in Chicago, then elsewhere. . . .
They are very good-hearted, helpful, and generous people. First on my list
of places I'd like to visit again, if I could, is Greece.
Java Jean
"Nann Bell" <hanbell...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:43:00 -0400, Waltzing Matilda wrote
> (in message <GaCsk.17726$LG4....@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>):
>
> ^ yearsin Germany! We visited there last summer with my mom & sister & my
DeeTee
ago...as did Larry. They are both sorely missed.
DeeTee
"Waltzing Matilda" <gout...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Waltzing Matilda
at what an overwrought penchant we have for building things, and then
tearing them down just 20-30 years later!! With that kind of thinking,
we'll be hard-pressed to retain much of our architectural history for future
generations to view.
That's going on now, here in the DFW area. Reunion Arena, former home to
the Dallas Mavericks, is being torn down, having been replaced a few short
years ago with a new, bigger, better, flashier America Arena. The former
Dallas Cowboys stadium is destined for the wrecking ball soon as their
owner, Jerry Jones, builds an obscenely large stadium to beat all stadiums
(or stadii, for any purists out there) that uprooted and displaced hundreds
of homeowners who had no choice but to buckle under the weight of enormous
wealth, forceful attorneys, and an aspiring (read "grasping") city council.
There is very little effort to preserve, and often those preservation groups
are viewed as odd-ball and a nuisance. Too often, by the time we gain a
real appreciation for what we already had in place it has been reduced to a
pile of rubble. If we're lucky, we might have a few photographs of it left.
I do think travel gives you perspectives that you would not otherwise come
to by yourself at home. Living in another culture and getting to know their
customs, history, at least a smattering of their language, and listening to
their thoughts/opinions/reactions to the U.S. opens one's eyes.
So far, Kate, you are the only one who apparently remembers the '72
Olympics. Interesting.
Java Jean
"d'huit" <threec...@comcast2.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Waltzing Matilda" <gout...@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:GaCsk.17726$LG4....@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Thank you, d'huit.
>
Waltzing Matilda
Larry are gone?
I remember that when Larry passed, the group was informed--and I was so
sorry to hear it. I do not remember that being the case with Kitty, though.
Maybe that occurred during a time when I just didn't check in with the group
very often and I missed it. I just remember that all of a sudden, she was
no longer posting. She was amazing.
Thanks for the explanation about the packets. It confirms what I already
had come to believe. So if I seem to overlook anyone's posting to me, a
lack of response on my part may not be my fault at all!!
I haven't ever posted before now, Harvey. I have been "lurking" for over
ten years! I just read and kept quiet!!! This is my debut. (Smile.) How
long have you been posting?
Java Jean
Harvey R. Stone
> What an astute comment about the "shallow roots," Kate. I am always
> amazed at what an overwrought penchant we have for building things, and
> then tearing them down just 20-30 years later!! With that kind of
> thinking, we'll be hard-pressed to retain much of our architectural
> history for future generations to view.
>
> That's going on now, here in the DFW area. Reunion Arena, former home to
> the Dallas Mavericks, is being torn down, having been replaced a few short
> years ago with a new, bigger, better, flashier America Arena. The former
> Dallas Cowboys stadium is destined for the wrecking ball soon as their
> owner, Jerry Jones, builds an obscenely large stadium to beat all stadiums
> (or stadii, for any purists out there) that uprooted and displaced
> hundreds of homeowners who had no choice but to buckle under the weight of
> enormous wealth, forceful attorneys, and an aspiring (read "grasping")
> city council.
Well, I watched the Cowboys play in the cotton bowl. I watched them play
in the stadium they are not in.
I will have to go up there and watch a game in the new one. I guess, I
will swing by Austin and pick up my
oldest son for that trip. He is the biggest Cowboy fan I have ever known.
So it goes.
Harv
Harvey R. Stone
>I gather, Harvey, that Kitty is no longer with us either. Both Kitty and
>Larry are gone?
>
> I remember that when Larry passed, the group was informed--and I was so
> sorry to hear it. I do not remember that being the case with Kitty,
> though. Maybe that occurred during a time when I just didn't check in with
> the group very often and I missed it. I just remember that all of a
> sudden, she was no longer posting. She was amazing.
I think her family put a stop to her internet use. Her email box was
always over flowing and it was very painful for her to type. Her system
would have wild reactions
to new medicine or changes made in what she took to try to hold her immune
system in
check.
>
> Thanks for the explanation about the packets. It confirms what I already
> had come to believe. So if I seem to overlook anyone's posting to me, a
> lack of response on my part may not be my fault at all!!
>
> I haven't ever posted before now, Harvey. I have been "lurking" for over
> ten years! I just read and kept quiet!!! This is my debut. (Smile.)
> How long have you been posting?
>
> Java Jean
To be honest,,,, I am not sure. :-) A long time.
Harv
Nann Bell
(in message <mRXsk.35668$co7....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>):
> Hi, Nann. Are you feeling better?
well, the only calories I've had all day are from white grape juice and I've
been going though the prep for my colonoscopy tomorrow. Thank goodness the
nausea has been ok, or I wouldn't have survived that! I'm just praying that
tomorrow's testing provides some helpful answers!
>
> We lived in the Frankfurt area--what did you think of it? And what parts of
> Germany did you visit?
We were only in Frankfurt to change from the airplane to the train. (There
were no on-ste interviews for the job Mike was after & we just passed through
on the Germany trip. Come to think of it, we also changed planes in
Frankfurt on our way to Italy in 1997.....)
The family trip was something my mom had wanted to do for some time as she
has ancestors from there. We stayed for a week on the Rhine at St. Goar &
took various trips out from there. (we had a train/boat pass for that week)
Then we spent a week in Bavaria, in an apartment in an 800 year old castle,
SW of Nurenberg. Had a rental car that week and, being the American
scofflaws we are, had a couple of days left on our train pass. it was a good
trip, though it did rather emphasize differing travel styles in my family.
;-)
more late, I'm a bit whipped from the test prep.
d'huit
What an astute comment about the "shallow roots," Kate. I am always amazed
at what an overwrought penchant we have for building things, and then
tearing them down just 20-30 years later!! With that kind of thinking,
we'll be hard-pressed to retain much of our architectural history for future
generations to view.
That's going on now, here in the DFW area. Reunion Arena, former home to
the Dallas Mavericks, is being torn down, having been replaced a few short
years ago with a new, bigger, better, flashier America Arena. The former
Dallas Cowboys stadium is destined for the wrecking ball soon as their
owner, Jerry Jones, builds an obscenely large stadium to beat all stadiums
(or stadii, for any purists out there) that uprooted and displaced hundreds
of homeowners who had no choice but to buckle under the weight of enormous
wealth, forceful attorneys, and an aspiring (read "grasping") city council.
There is very little effort to preserve, and often those preservation groups
are viewed as odd-ball and a nuisance. Too often, by the time we gain a
real appreciation for what we already had in place it has been reduced to a
pile of rubble. If we're lucky, we might have a few photographs of it left.
***yes. and when you stand inside a building in nara that has been
treasured by its culture and has stood intact, for 1400 years, you cannot
help but awaken to the shocking awareness of how disposable our history,
culture and accomplishment is to "enormous wealth, forceful attorneys and an
aspiriting (read "gasping") city council."
I do think travel gives you perspectives that you would not otherwise come
to by yourself at home. Living in another culture and getting to know their
customs, history, at least a smattering of their language, and listening to
their thoughts/opinions/reactions to the U.S. opens one's eyes.
***absolutely true. an oddly and unexpected positive and poignant
perspective i experienced: while in nara, japan, we company wives went out
to lunch with the president of snk's wife, as her guests. it had been a
lively day of adventure with that gracious lady and lunch was a good
opportunity for some down time for all of us.
***during the course of our meal, to our astonishment, she slowly and very
meaningfully looked each of us in the eyes, in turn, and then said, "i want
to personally thank you americans for having the wisdom to elect a man for
president who refused to bomb our ancient treasures." (nara had been the
ancient capital of japan at one time.) she looked directly at me for a
response and i was so surprised she wanted me to say something that i was at
a loss for words. so, i very awkwardly muttered something like, "i wasn't
even born back then. but i'll pass on your gratitude to my parents. and i'm
grateful to them, too, because i've enjoyed sharing your ancient treasures
with you." and she nodded, in the same jerky-sharp way i'd seen many
japanese people nod, and said, "hi!" which meant, yes.
So far, Kate, you are the only one who apparently remembers the '72
Olympics. Interesting.
***probably not as interesting as you might think, jean. during 1972, when
24, i was in the hospital for more surgeries (due to a head on car wreck)
and had a lot of time on my hands, opportunity, to watch the olympics and
the news. the olympic triumphs were made so much more poignant, by the
traumas and tragedies of the loss of so many. i remember imagining the
strangling catch in everyone's (who was there) throats being similar to the
one i had had, while i was being gripped watching it all unfold on tv, the
events that occurred in munich's dormatories. it so felt, to me, like the
death of innocense; and i couldn't comprehend if it was my innocense or the
athelete's or the world's.
kate
sweetp...@spamknology.net
I know over two before I moved. And many here were already here when I
started posting. Some real old timers around!
Gwen
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men to become sons of God. (C S Lewis)
"Waltzing Matilda" <gout...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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RoseB
<gout...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> I'm curious, now. How many of you have posted for ten years or more on
>>> alt.support.arthritis? I probably should add "lurking" for ten years or
>>> more, too, so I can stand up and wave my hand and say, "Me! I have!"
>>>
>>> Java Jean
My first posts were in 1995. I actually started with misc.health.arth
until that group became too haywire. LOL
(I hope that does not happen here as a result of the ferrous
fanatic).
I have met a few folks in person from the group. I am quiet at times
depending on the busy-ness of my life. Even when i am not posting i
do read the group if i can.
I believe that Kitty is alive and doing what she has always done. We
all assumed the worst, then were surprised when she came back for a
bit. i am not sure exactly why she left again, but she did enjoy a bit
of controversy and we in turn enjoyed her. She has spunk!
Rose @}->--
Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown,
one seeks to understand it.
Please remove "Ima" to reply.
Kelly C.
>I gather, Harvey, that Kitty is no longer with us either. Both Kitty and
>Larry are gone?
>
> I remember that when Larry passed, the group was informed--and I was so
> sorry to hear it. I do not remember that being the case with Kitty,
> though. Maybe that occurred during a time when I just didn't check in with
> the group very often and I missed it. I just remember that all of a
> sudden, she was no longer posting. She was amazing.
>
> Thanks for the explanation about the packets. It confirms what I already
> had come to believe. So if I seem to overlook anyone's posting to me, a
> lack of response on my part may not be my fault at all!!
>
> I haven't ever posted before now, Harvey. I have been "lurking" for over
> ten years! I just read and kept quiet!!! This is my debut. (Smile.)
> How long have you been posting?
>
> Java Jean
>
I want to say 10 years, because we bought our first computer in 1998, and
finding arthritis support was one of my obsessions. I was steered here by
Krissy Jo's Arthritis Insight web site.
Kelly C.
Donna G.
I think I have been posting here since about 1997 or early 1998. I was
diagnosed with the RA in august of '97 and it was shortly thereafter
that I stumbled up ASA!
.
.
.
.
Donna
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.
.
.
1.) ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......
2.) J.K.M.A.
Califchief
> I've been posting at least 10 years, 8 years since I moved from
> Florida and I know over two before I moved. And many here were
> already here when I started posting. Some real old timers around!
I was posting prior to 1996 - probably started in '93 or '94 -
writing about the mirrors added to the car to enable me to see
other drivers. But my fused neck just got worse and worse
until I had only 12-15 degree peripheral vision even with the
mirrors and I had become a hazard to myself as well as every
other driver near me. I didn't even think about renewing
my license when it expired in November 1996.
... Clothes make the man. Naked people have no influence on society.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
sweetp...@spamknology.net
Gwen
"Joan Carter" <spam...@sentex.ca> wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:44:17 GMT, RoseB <imar...@shaw.ca>
wrote:
>I believe that Kitty is alive and doing what she has always done. We
>all assumed the worst, then were surprised when she came back for a
>bit. i am not sure exactly why she left again, but she did enjoy a bit
>of controversy and we in turn enjoyed her. She has spunk!
I agree, Rose.
Joan
Waltzing Matilda
I'm so glad to hear she's still "here," even though the "here" is not ASA.
Java Jean
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