"Philip Peters" <phi
...@p-peters.demon.nl> wrote in message
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> Op 18-1-2012 5:26, Mary schreef:
>>>> Hi Philip,
>>>> Haven't seen you around in quite a long time.
>>>> I look in here once in a while, but only see an occasional post.
>>>> Moderated anxiety-panic has a few of the old regulars who post
>>>> sometimes
>>>> including myself. I guess people have moved on to other venues, which
>>>> is
>>>> too bad as the moderated group were the most helpful group I've seen
>>>> for
>>>> anxiety/panic. People in moderated group had various experiences with
>>>> anxiety/panic and were able to give good advice. Oh well, thats the way
>>>> things go sometimes. Hope you are well.
>>>> Mary
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> I'm fine, thank you (and since two months a proud grandfather!)
>> Is this your daughter or son's child? was it boy or girl?
>> Congratulations to proud parents and grandparents.
> My daughter's daughter. For me it was love at first sight. It's a very
> peculiar and movind experience to see your daughter be a Mommy.
Yes, I suppose it is, though for me, being a woman it is not so peculiar :>)
>> I have two granddaughters in early 20's and a great granddaughter aged
>> 3.
> Wow!
> Me, my daughter and her daughter were all quite young when we had
>> children, so I was a grandmother at age 42 and my 60's now.
> Me too, 63. But I had my first child at 30. And my daughter is 33. Sopme
> of my most beautiful childhood memories are about my grandparents. I
> recently calculated that my grandfather whom I loved dearly was exactly as
> old when I was born as I am now so if stay alive long enough we can
> expect some great times....
I am a few years older than you. Also, you were older than me when you
started to have kids. I was 20 when I had my first child and 25 by the time
I had 3 kids and that was it. finished!! My daughter was also 20 when she
had first child.
> My son who
>> is the oldest in his mid 40's has no kids and probably won't have
> My son is 31 and most probably won't have children either, primarily
> because his wife (girlfriend really) doesn't want any. He would have been
> a lovely Dad IMO.
Some women (or men) do not particularly want children, or can't seem to have
children do not have any. And in some cases like in your son's case and
probably in my younger daughter's case and her husband, all would have made
very good parents.
> and my
>> younger daughter also has no kids and not likely to.
> I have no younger daughter so she probably won't have children either ;-)
I don't suppose so :>)
> I was hoping
>> somebody would have a boy just for a change, but not likely now. oh
>> well, you get what you are supposed to get and as long as they are in
>> good health is the most important thing.
> Absolutely.
> I am totally hooked on my granddaughter (and so is my wife Christie) and
> fortunately they live only about 6 minutes cycling from our house so I get
> to see her all the time. I didn't think a grandchild would be such a major
> life change as it seems to be for me. I can hardly even look at a photo of
> her without getting all teary-eyed....
> That's beautiful but there is also another aspect to it - I feel it
> confronts me with my own mortality. And now that she is here I want to
> stay indefinitely :-)
It's nice you and your wife have this feeling of happiness with
grandchildren. I was still quite young when at age 42 I had a grandchild, so
did'nt appreciate it as much as maybe if I had been older. my daughter was
20. Or maybe with your daughter being 33, you could think she might not have
any children and are so happy that she did. I really don't know as myself
and my daughter were both young mothers and young grandmothers. Actually, my
niece was 38 when her son, age 19 and his wife the same age had a daughter.
Their marriage did not last and after quite a while, my niece's son married
again and had a son.
>>> For some reason the mods don't understand either my messages can't be
>>> posted at ASAPM. Perhaps my provider doesn't include moderated groups
>>> anymore, that seems to be possible. One day I'll get to the bottom of
>>> this ;-)
>> Is ASAPM not listed on your list of newsgroup messages being downloaded
>> to you when you click to download newsgroups.
> Yes, it is listed.
>> You would know if you saw ASAPM listed. Did you try to post on ASAPM and
>> your messages don't show up there.
> Yep.
You could try again and I will reply to your message on ASAPM and let you
know if it was posted there. I don't see why it wouldn't be. That is
strange. Some people still post. Diana posts sometimes and Vanessa today and
some others. Its nothing like it used to be of course, but I still check
most days and reply to posts sometimes. There were so many nice people used
to post there and the ones who remain are nice too.
> As far as I know, all newsgroup
>> providers can add whatever groups you want them to ask by emailing your
>> news provider and asking them to add the group you want added. They
>> would only not do this if it was a troublesome newsgroup which ASAPM is
>> not. My messages get posted there and Diana posts there now and then,
>> along witih Sheldon and TJ and Simon and Vanessa sometimes. so some of
>> the old regulars turn up now and then. Its nice to see them so I lurk
>> around and post sometimes too.
> I can read it and do.
That's good Philip. Read and I would like to see you posting there.
> I hate to just give up and the group
>> close like the non moderated one has. I still list to download messages,
>> but usually there are none except an occasional one like last week when
>> someone asked something and I replied.
> I'd like to see more traffic there. I don't know why there is so little,
> there is an abundance of anxiety in the world today ;-) Some say Usenet is
> not as popular as it used to be but I subscribe to, for instance, a
> newsgroup about classical music and thjere's an immense amount of traffic
> there (much of it bickering and insults... one wouldn't expect that in a
> ng with that subject but trust these guys to get pretty mean; one may well
> wonder what that says abotu *civilization*)
I completely agree, and I can't understand why so many people left bit by
bit on a steady basis it seemed to me.
>>> IME the original ASAP group, where there was very much traffic indeed,
>>> was the best place to go until the troll wars became so bad that the
>>> moderate group was founded.
>> I first came to the ASAP and it was a good place to go for help and give
>> advice as well, but like you said it go so bad with trolls and stupid
>> messages that I left. They destroyed that group.
> Yep, they did, Makes oe wonder....etc.etc.
It was hopeless to read anything here after the trolls got through with this
ng. I didn't stay long when I could see the deterioration of the ng. But I
have to say I always liked the anxiety-panic moderated group when I went
there. It was much more peacful and not all these trolls which seemed like
high school kids..
>> <In the beginning there was enough traffic
>>> there but it has been lessening over time. I'm sorry about that, I
>>> like the newsgroup format. I know some friends banded together in
>>> private yahoogroups and don't partake of public discussion anymore but
>>> that's ot enough to explain the absence of almost everybody.
>> I agree with you on that. I like ASAPM and it was a busy group for
>> several y ears. I must say I don't understand why gradually everybody
>> started to leave. Jackie was always helpful and it was good when
>> Margrove and Chip were there. Did they all stop having anxiety and were
>> cured and needed no help.
> Chip vanished into thin air, Jackie is very busy with a succesfull
> internet store, some others who already had become long-standing friends
> at ASAP started a closed yahoo group. Others disappeared and weren't heard
> of again.
I can understand Jackie got busy with her internet store, but she doesn't
even post now and then. I guess maybe she wanted to move on anyway. I don't
know why Chip left. He seemed to like the group. I just don't understand it
at all to be honest. You would think people with anxiety and panic would be
glad to have a place to go to get understanding and support. I also wondered
quite a few times why Margrove left. His advice and experience was always
welcome and appreciated by a lot of people.
> It
>> seems a shame to me that it had to end with people leaving one by one
>> till not many left. Oh well, I am still there for now and try to help if
>> someone new drops by and I like to see the "old" regulars.
> I'm glad that you're still around, Mary, I always read your messages with
> pleasure and interest.
Thank you. I don't know if my messages are interesting, but I am usually
direct and mostly say what I think and try to be honest. I like to try to
help others as I haven't had an easy life myself (in general), not
particularly because of anxiety because anxiety happened to me later in life
than most people on any anxiety group, but a lot of people haven't had easy
lives and I can relatte to that.
> When I have time (a scarce article these days) I'll consult my provider
> about ASAPM.
Yes, please do. I would like to see you back at ASAPM. We need more people
to post and I can't think of anyone better suited than you. Hope to see you
there when you get time. I suppose you and Christie will baby sit the new
arrival :>)
> Best to you always,
You too Philip. I must say your English is excellent and so is your
spelling. you must have had a good teacher in English, and a
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