Brother-in-law
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My brother-in-law seems to be getting weak. He can hardly stand from his
walker.
He tells another"person" although no one present in the room to call my
sister to help him. When it is really my sister he is talking to. Could he
be forgetting what she looks like? He talks to other people in the room, and
no one is there but her.
My brother-in-law complains about his ankle hurting him. We took him to the
ER. They x-rayed, did a ultra sound but could not find anything wrong. I
don't think he is making it up because he seems to be writhing in pain. The
doctor gave him pain medication but he sleeps a lot from it.
He has this far away look on his face and he stares without moving his eyes
at all.
He seems to be in the middle stages of this dreadful disease. We can't take
him out to dinner anymore or just shopping.
Thanks for listening and if anyone has any feedback, please write.
BRI
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Bud
> He tells another"person" although no one present in the room to call my
> sister to help him. When it is really my sister he is talking to. Could he
> be forgetting what she looks like? He talks to other people in the room, and
> no one is there but her.
> Thanks for listening and if anyone has any feedback, please write.
> BRI
My sister-in-law seemed to regress to earlier days and would talk to her
deceased parents and brother as if they were there with her. It brought us a
small sense of relief to think that she might be, in her mind at least, with
her loved family of years ago. Maybe your brother-in-law is experiencing a
similar going back to good old days.
Bud
Evelyn
Hi Brianna,
I can't help but really feel sorry for your poor sister, and anyone
else who is going through this caring for a loved one. I remember
when we realized we couldn't take my mother in law out socially
anymore. She would get so confused and actually forgot who I was on
one occasion. After that I realized she was even less cognizant than
we imagined she was. This is quite sadly, a downhill journey. It
doesn't get any better, it just gets worse. That is just the way it
is, unfortunately. There are meds that can help, but only a
little. Sometimes we were very grateful for that much.
I am glad she is in touch with doctors and getting him medical help.
They often can't explain that they have pain, or where it hurts or
what is exactly hurting. My mother in law was developing pancreatic
cancer and could not articulate that she had any pain or where it
was. The only evidence we saw, was that she ate sparingly and only
liked homemade soup. I suppose it was easier to digest, though I
don't really know.
If the medication is making him sleepy, that may actually be a good
thing. It is better than being paranoid or violent or accusatory or
aggressive. All of those things are possible. At least if he is
sleepy he is probably a little easier to deal with.
But always remember they don't have control over any of that like a
normal person would. Alzheimers is a real organic brain disease that
is actually visible in diagnostic tests, like PET scans etc.
Your sister is lucky to have you to help her out. We had no other
family to help, but we did have a wonderful neighbor who occasionally
granny-sat for us, which helped us save our sanity when it was rough.
Evelyn
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My brother-in-law talks to his deceased parents and brother too. Sometimes he
talks about things and we cannot make heads or tails out of it because we
don't know who he is talking about.
Thank you for answering. It helps us very much to understand.
Bri
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>> I pray every day for guidance and I firmly believe God helps.
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Evelyn,
Thank you for your feed back. You don't know how much we appreciate your
answers.
It is like you said, it is a good thing he can sleep with the medication
because he isn't as agressive or mean to my sister.
Today, we went to the bank to take care of business and he was just looking
at other people to see what they were doing. Never interested in what the
bank teller was saying. Before he had this sickness he would be in there
reading every line and made sure they knew what they were doing.
Today, he didn't seem to care.
Thank you again,
Bri
Mr_Markham
I doubt he was making it up either; the pain he felt he may have felt
someplace else and simply gave the wrong word for; thus, 'ankle' when
he meant pain in his shin, knee, hip, abdomen, etc... Or, who knows,
he may have been reliving a previous pain in his life and recalling
how bad it made him feel then. From what I know, people with AD often
regress to about the age of 14 to 25 at least emotionally, maybe he
was reliving some injury from back then as well? Hard to say, but no
matter what it was, I'm glad he got treated for it anyway. Pain is
what the patient says it is, IMO. Sorry this is happening to him and
your family.
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to hear, but I see it in the nursing home I visit. You can be pretty
certain your brother in law's ankle is hurting and he cannot sort out his
condition. To everybody's consternation, I will repeat what is probably
taking place. Some people are receiving anti-depressants and some are not
in the nursing home. Anti-depressants and all stimulants have the capacity
to harm innocent people by a mind/body connection. When the people that
take anti-depressants talk to or observe another patient constantly, there
is the uncanny ability for their anti-depressant to send harm to an innocent
person. Strange and weird, that is apparently a symptom of crohns
disease, which your brother in law would not experience except for the
anti-depressant use in the nursing home. One male nurse and one patient
had ankle pain for no apparent reason in the home I visit, The nurse quit
his job when I told him it was a patient observing him constantly at his
desk duties by sitting close by. The following week, he said the doctor
diagnosed his condition as Crohns disease. The other, a woman who was not
there for ill health, just an older woman who made herself so visible, and
suffered constantly with a swollen stomach finally could not walk and said
her feet or ankles hurt. They took her to the hospital and brought her
back and she stays in bed all the time with tubes for feeding. The
administrator said at the time she went to the hospital, she was resigned to
dying. I knew however, if she got out of the nursing home, it could be the
break she needed. I am angry at the nursing home for giving
anti-depressants to some residents when they should be banned entirely.
Another in law of ours was in a nursing home with alzheimers in addition to
not being able to care for herself, and she had an obstruction that required
an operation. She lived a short time afterward. I was not aware at the
time that anti-depressants were used everywhere, but now know this and I see
the consequences, where the administrators think everything is a natural
progression of illness. IT IS NOT. I am writing so that you may
understand your brother in law better when he complains of his ankles. It
is VERY LIKELY that his ankles are hurting. What to do? That is my
eternal question. No one would suffer these "extra" condition if they
would ban the anti-depressants.
Now everyone can dispute me as is usually the case, but I maintain it is so,
and your brother in law desterves understanding.
Gail Michael
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EddyJean
Brother-in-law
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 9:00pm (PDT+7)
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Brianna,
I'm so sorry to hear of the very tough times your BIL, sister and you
have been and still going through. This disease maimes, disables and
kills equal to AIDS, yet there is no medicine for it in the richest
country of the world except to fend for yourself. Shame on America. The
only thing we can get for chronic illnesses is 'bandaid' medicine. It's
pain pills, anti-depressants or nothin' at all.
EddyJean
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Thank you for your feed back. My brother-in-law does not take anti-
depressants. He takes Seroquel and it is our understanding the medication
helps him to combat agressiveness. My sister takes very good care of him and
he is not in a nursing home. We need to talk to the doctor about this
medication and find out more about it.
I will do research on Crohn's disease and see if he has any of those symptoms.
Thanks again,
Bri
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believe that my taking antidepressants can harm another person who talks to
me, or sees me.
And saying that all antidepressant should be banned is pure silliness. I
take an antidepressant because I need it. If I don't, I cry at the drop of
a hat and can't seem to find a place to stop. When I take it, I very seldom
cry. Chrons disease is not caused by antidepressants. It is a stomach,
bowel problem!
Gwen
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Bri, please pay no mind to the troll. She isn't even suggesting that
people who take antidepressants get crohns disease, but the people who
are in the vicinity of someone taking anti depressants. Needless to
say, it is a strange and unscientific idea, and something that is just
her delusion. Pay no mind to it. You'll be a lot happier. Listen to
your doctor instead.
Evelyn
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Than you for answering. I am certain he is getting good care. If he is
not in the nursing home, which is good fortune for him, where is he.
I assume at home.
It is too bad that nursing homes use anti-depressants when they can use
other medication, like Valium which will harm no one and help the person
that needs it. I have no objection to a nursing home except for the
anti-depressants. They are a newer medication, I believe only the last 50
years or so. For some strange reason they are harmful to others that are
vulnerable. I also recognize the good they do, if not for this exceedingly
sad side effect. I will not bother answering the other posts, because
their minds are set that I do not know what I am talking about. I wish
they were right and I were wrong.
In the meantime, I hope your brother in law is comfortable and even
improving a little. I will pray that he is not in pain or unaware of the
good care he is receiving. Since he is not in a nursing home, there is no
danger of crohns disease.
But if you want to read about it, there is group on this usenet titled Alt.
support crohns-colitis. Sometimes I think it is better to know nothing
of the illness.
Sincerely
Gail
EddyJean
Re: Brother-in-law
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Jul 19, 2008, 5:44pm From:
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Evelyn,
Isn't this what Brianna's sister and BIL have been doing, listening to
their doctor? Doctors' know nothing on facial/cranial diseases but
pretend they do when they don't! If their doctor knew what to do, do
you think they'd be going through this nightmare now? If the medical
profession were truly interested in helping neurological diseased
patients, they could start by studying the virus discovered in 1907 by
the late Dr. James R. Hunt. Vials of discovered viruses are held by the
AMA. All they need to do is extract a drop of the virus and study it.
Thousands suffering and dying needlessly bcause of this coverup.
EddyJean
EddyJean
Re: Brother-in-law
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Gail:
I don't understand it but you've been consistent from the start and care
about your fellowman. While I've not had good experiences with
anti-depressants, I do think some people are helped.There are unsolved
mysteries in the world and feel nowadays, anything can happen. As the
saying goes, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Thank you for
reporting it.
EddyJean
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but I also know the harm they do to others known to the stmulant taker. I
am consistent because I am certain. I do not discuss other illnesses,
because I usually know nothing about them. But crohns disease does not
fall in the category of a medical causes, so it must be observed astutely.
The key sometimes is that when a person feels pain or oddity when thinking
of a certain person they know, they can be certain that is crohns, if it is
consistent. Only problem is stress is also a factor when crohns appears,
and any situation or person can set the person off with pain and damage.
It really must be experienced to believe, but most persons will not even
try to identify the person unknowingly causing them the illness, a free and
absolute solution.
I am not selling anything, in the case of crohns and ulcerative colitis, the
cure is free and available with persistance. I do care very much about
this, because so many people and more to come will be confined to nursing
homes and they have a right to be in a safe place.
The administrators, whom I thought really cared about the people are so
hardened to death, their attitude is nonchalant.
Gail Michael W write later.
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never have been made. Crohns cause is one of them. Sometimes I receive
an anonymous approval on the cause, as it seems that people do not seem to
want acknowledge its truth openly and sometimes a verbal approval and I
never quote any of them.
This one, however was written recently, not anonymously, but will not give
the newsgroup or name of person who wrote it and do not like to quote
anyone, but will make an exception in this case.
"I see I am not the only person who pulls away from people on
antidepressants. I'm sure there are people that will moan about this but
they do not see the rollercoaster of emotions they project on people around
them."
It is only a light observation of the fact, but it does illustrate that
others notice the strange phenomenom crohns and anti-depressants produce.
Actually I do not know how to use the computer well, but under the name
Kureforcrohns (my screen name) on AOL's blog? if you write in the name
and hit search, on the second page, it says if you have questions about my
posts or something to that effect, there is a place to write (I don't know
where the answers are posted), but someone would do me a favor if they used
it and asked a question and told me where to look for the answer.
Thank You
Gail
Gail
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Hello Gail,
My brother-in-law is at home. He gets the best of care here. My sister
makes sure he is bathed, fed and takes his medication. She makes sure he
gets a haircut and does not miss his doctor's appointment. He is very
fortunate but since he does have this dreadful disease, he seems
unappreciative. He is mean, foul mouth and paranoid all the time.
We pray everyday for his well being. He is comfortable at home and as long
as she can care for him, he will stay at home. I try to help as much as I
can. But pretty soon, I am going to have surgery on my knee but I won't be
down for a long time. I will stay in bed and be out of the way.
Thank you, Gail,
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well with your knee. How important is every part of our body. Funny how
someone we loved and love can suddenly turn to nastiness. I try to
empathize with some, if only we can read their mnds. I dearly wish the
world can read my mind, no vanity, just I think I see clearly on some
subject that is dear to my heart and very hard to understand.
Sincerely
Gail
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according to the laws in California this should take care of who gets what.
She is listed as beneficiary and her son if something happens to both of them.
Although, sometimes he doesn't think clearly, sometimes he does. He knows
how much is in each bank, knows account numbers by heart, knows which banks
he does business with. Sometimes I wonder if he does have Alzheimer's.
He wants to go back to his home state to buy his brother a house (his brother
just had a stroke and is in a nursing home) But he feels, this way my sister
will not get "his" money. She has worked all her life and he said the money
doesn't belong to her because she never saved any of it. He was in charge of
making investments and saving money while she worked, worked and worked.
After he retired from the military, I don't think he worked as much as she
did. She finally quit at 68 years old because he had a stroke and needed to
take care of him. He doesn't see that or understand it. But he understands
that he must send his sister money, just because.
Evelyn
I can truly relate to her situation, Bri. Anyone who has had first
hand experience in dealing with a person who has the illness can
understand. They get obsessed with some crazy idea and there is no
turning them away from it. My mother in law was always nurturing
some obsession ......until the next one would come along, and then it
would be that one, either for a few weeks or months or however
long.
Your sister may need to be very cagey about how she handles things
with the money especially. She worked all those years and it could
easily be argued that he was ABLE to save money because she used hers
to support the family's other needs, therefore she probably has every
much as right to it as he does.
But as we have said before, it isn't about what is fair or right
anymore. Alzheimers has its own set of rules and they may have
absolutely no connection whatsoever to what is actually right or fair.
Regards,
Evelyn