Actually, he's worse than Elim
Deimos Anomaly
down an ISD's shield with Peregrine fighters, One thousand two
hundred nineteen million, five hundred twelve thousand, one
hundred ninety six peregrines would be required. That's
1,219,512,196 fighters.
To put it in more comprehendable terms, he believes 1.2
*billion* peregrine fighters are nescesary for this task.
That's just to remove the shields, not destroy the ship.
And I thought Elim's "100 million TIEs needed to destroy the
Defiant" was the depths of Troll depravity. Unshielded TIEs of
course.
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Yawn... two points
1) Prove him wrong instead of calling him a wanker.
2) Some people like to make jokes on topics settled years ago.
Commander Thelea
Anomaly <samuelN...@jamieson-03.freeserve.co.uk.invalid>
wrote:
Kynes IS CORRECT.
IF! AND ONLY IF! You take the phaser power listed in the
technical manuals, assume that photon torpedoes are
automatically of similiar power to explain why phasers are used
at all, and do not accept the Shield Frequency/Phaser
Frequency/NDF theory that explains why a 1 gigawatt weapon can
function as a 10-20,000 terawatt weapon.
Quite simply, what he's doing is taking the phaser firepower
straight out of the technical manual, assuming that's the
literal, maximum firepower, and then, with incidents like the
photon torpedo in Star Trek V to support him, scales torpedo
firepower down to match, and hence his figures make perfect
sense.
Kynes is not a troll... He's simply a person who refuses to
believe that NDF exists.
Marina O'Leary
"Ut Veniant Omnes!"
Xtreme Psycho
:
: Kynes IS CORRECT.
:
: IF! AND ONLY IF! You take the phaser power listed in the
:technical manuals, assume that photon torpedoes are
:automatically of similiar power to explain why phasers are used
:at all, and do not accept the Shield Frequency/Phaser
:Frequency/NDF theory that explains why a 1 gigawatt weapon can
:function as a 10-20,000 terawatt weapon.
:
: Quite simply, what he's doing is taking the phaser firepower
:straight out of the technical manual, assuming that's the
:literal, maximum firepower, and then, with incidents like the
:photon torpedo in Star Trek V to support him, scales torpedo
:firepower down to match, and hence his figures make perfect
:sense.
:
: Kynes is not a troll... He's simply a person who refuses to
:believe that NDF exists.
So you believe that it takes about 121,951,219,600 megatons to take down an
ISD's shields?
--
We are the Borg. Lower your shields and weapon systems.
Your cultural and technological distinctiveness will be added
to our own. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
Commander Thelea
$E85.1...@news1.rdc1.md.home.com>, "Kynes" <ky...@choam.org>
wrote:
>"Commander Thelea" <Lusankya...@Aol.com.invalid> wrote in
message news:2d723f8c...@usw-ex0108-063.remarq.com...
>
>> Kynes IS CORRECT.
>>
>> IF! AND ONLY IF! You take the phaser power listed in the
>> technical manuals, assume that photon torpedoes are
>> automatically of similiar power to explain why phasers are
used
>> at all, and do not accept the Shield Frequency/Phaser
>> Frequency/NDF theory that explains why a 1 gigawatt weapon can
>> function as a 10-20,000 terawatt weapon.
>
are
>1MT in strength. This has nothing to do with not believing in
NDF.
>NDF is a technical reality. I'm just taking an estimated
Imperial
>shield strength of 5E25 J, dividing by 1MT, giving each fighter
100
>torpedoes, and displaying the result.
>
>You may want to actually read my posts before telegraphing my
thoughts
>to the group in the future, Thelea.
>--
>-LK!
>[ ky...@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ]
>
>"Discussions which lack moral or normative assessments are
rarely interesting."
> - Emily Cuatto
Commander Thelea
>
>Actually, I'm correct if you believe 13cm-long micro-torpedoes
are
>1MT in strength. This has nothing to do with not believing in
NDF.
>NDF is a technical reality. I'm just taking an estimated
Imperial
>shield strength of 5E25 J, dividing by 1MT, giving each fighter
100
>torpedoes, and displaying the result.
>
>You may want to actually read my posts before telegraphing my
thoughts
>to the group in the future, Thelea.
>--
>-LK!
>[ ky...@choam.org ] [ ICQ: 795238 ] [ AIM: Kynes23 ]
>
>"Discussions which lack moral or normative assessments are
rarely interesting."
> - Emily Cuatto
>
>
>
My apologies about that mistake.. Mis-interpetations, and all.
And sorry about that bloody post that I hit post to soon with,
too..
Marina O'Leary
"Ut Veniant Omnes!"
>
Kynes
> Kynes IS CORRECT.
>
> IF! AND ONLY IF! You take the phaser power listed in the
> technical manuals, assume that photon torpedoes are
> automatically of similiar power to explain why phasers are used
> at all, and do not accept the Shield Frequency/Phaser
> Frequency/NDF theory that explains why a 1 gigawatt weapon can
> function as a 10-20,000 terawatt weapon.
Actually, I'm correct if you believe 13cm-long micro-torpedoes are
Eric
<xtre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>:
>: Kynes IS CORRECT.
>:
>: IF! AND ONLY IF! You take the phaser power listed in the
>:technical manuals, assume that photon torpedoes are
>:automatically of similiar power to explain why phasers are used
>:at all, and do not accept the Shield Frequency/Phaser
>:Frequency/NDF theory that explains why a 1 gigawatt weapon can
>:function as a 10-20,000 terawatt weapon.
>:
>: Quite simply, what he's doing is taking the phaser firepower
>:straight out of the technical manual, assuming that's the
>:literal, maximum firepower, and then, with incidents like the
>:photon torpedo in Star Trek V to support him, scales torpedo
>:firepower down to match, and hence his figures make perfect
>:sense.
>:
>: Kynes is not a troll... He's simply a person who refuses to
>:believe that NDF exists.
>
>
>So you believe that it takes about 121,951,219,600 megatons to take down an
>ISD's shields?
Considering that's 5e26 joules, that's right around one of the
moderate-high shield limits.
Eric
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"Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable
from magic." - Clarke's Third Law
Deimos Anomaly
First of all, he was talking about an attack using torps. So
your phaser power calculations are (probably) irrelevant. I may
be missing something though...
Secondly, if you think he is correct, and that billions of
peregrines would be needed to take an ISD, how many TIEs would
you estimate for the same task? 50? 100? Do you believe one TIE
fighter = several million peregrines?
(I don't know how many TIEs you would say would be needed. I'm
just pointing out that if you gave a number that was something
like 100, you would effectively be saying that one TIE = more
than a million Peregrines, which is totally out of keeping with
both observed canon and common sense.) If a peregrine was a
million times less powerful than a TIE, it wouldn't be capable
of scratching the paint on a car roof.
> Kynes is not a troll... He's simply a person who refuses to
>believe that NDF exists.
Well, he said himself that NDF does exist.
Jonathan Boyd
Lusankya...@Aol.com.invalid wrote on 28/4/00 2:07 am:
> Kynes IS CORRECT.
>
> IF! AND ONLY IF! You take the phaser power listed in the
> technical manuals, assume that photon torpedoes are
> automatically of similiar power to explain why phasers are used
> at all, and do not accept the Shield Frequency/Phaser
> Frequency/NDF theory that explains why a 1 gigawatt weapon can
> function as a 10-20,000 terawatt weapon.
>
> Quite simply, what he's doing is taking the phaser firepower
> straight out of the technical manual, assuming that's the
> literal, maximum firepower, and then, with incidents like the
> photon torpedo in Star Trek V to support him, scales torpedo
> firepower down to match, and hence his figures make perfect
> sense.
>
> Kynes is not a troll... He's simply a person who refuses to
> believe that NDF exists.
Actually it si a theory that makes absolutely no sense since weapons of that
strength couldn't possibly drill through planets.
--
Jonathan
AIM: BoydClone | STvsSW website: http://www.jboyd.co.uk/index.html
Commander Thelea
I never claimed his theory made sense.. I just was explaining
what I thought it was.. And then he later corrected me.
Marina O'Leary
"Ut Veniant Omnes!"
Strowbridge
>
> "Xtreme Psycho" <xtre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >So you believe that it takes about 121,951,219,600 megatons to take
> >down an ISD's shields?
>
> Considering that's 5e26 joules, that's right around one of the
> moderate-high shield limits.
We've also read other phrases that imply very high limits.
"Constant rain" of asteroids "hitting like multi-megaton concussion
bombs"
'Gigaton recoil'
etc.
C.S.Strowbridge
Jonathan Boyd
Lusankya...@Aol.com.invalid wrote on 28/4/00 4:12 pm:
> I never claimed his theory made sense.. I just was explaining
> what I thought it was.. And then he later corrected me.
Okay. Just making sure no one else thought it made sense.