[Tech] Plausibility of this?
Dalton
hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
Hyperspace.
Discuss!
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The every nature of common sublight drives is that they cannot exceed
the speed of light. Hell, you're statement contradicts itself! If the
engine can go past c, it is NOT sublight.
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> The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> Hyperspace.
Well, according to official documents the ship has to reach LS before it
can jump to hyperspace.
C.S.Strowbridge
Dalton
>
> That's rich! Har har har!
>
> The every nature of common sublight drives is that they cannot exceed
> the speed of light. Hell, you're statement contradicts itself! If the
> engine can go past c, it is NOT sublight.
Hence why I'm trying to debate the plausibility.
Dalton
So maybe .5 past lightspeed is hyperspace entrance velocity? Perhaps
it's beneficial to outrun your pursuers when you jump into Hyperspace,
as you'll get a lead if they try to follow?
Big Steve
> So maybe .5 past lightspeed is hyperspace entrance velocity? Perhaps
> it's beneficial to outrun your pursuers when you jump into Hyperspace,
> as you'll get a lead if they try to follow?
>
A very logical, and very likely, point.
Dalton
>
> > So maybe .5 past lightspeed is hyperspace entrance velocity? Perhaps
> > it's beneficial to outrun your pursuers when you jump into Hyperspace,
> > as you'll get a lead if they try to follow?
> >
>
> A very logical, and very likely, point.
Thanks.
Olivier Malek
name says it all) is only sublight, it cannot go faster than c.
Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote in message
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> The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> Hyperspace.
>
> Discuss!
Rog
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> That's rich! Har har har!
>
> The every nature of common sublight drives is that they cannot exceed
> the speed of light. Hell, you're statement contradicts itself! If the
> engine can go past c, it is NOT sublight.
>
Sub-light could be a slang term for SW drives that don't go to hyperspace
that owes its origins back to a time when they could only go a sub-light
speeds. It could be similar to suituations in real life eg blueprints are
still called blueprints even though they are no longer printed on special
blue paper. Names are not evidence of capabilities if they were then a star
destroyer could actually destroy a star and a galaxy class starship would be
the size of a galaxy.
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Rog
Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote in message
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> The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> Hyperspace.
>
> Discuss!
It would explain how the Falcon reached Bespin in ESB a lot better than the
crappy back up hyperdrive theory.
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Henning Rogge
<ro...@slaanesh.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
>> hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
>> Hyperspace.
>>
>> Discuss!
>
>It would explain how the Falcon reached Bespin in ESB a lot better than the
>crappy back up hyperdrive theory.
We know that ST possesed subspace tech 25,000 years before the movies,
so maybe some of their ships ( especially runner ships and similar )
have some kind of backup subspaced based FTL drive...
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Dalton
>
> Only Warp Drive can do that in real space . Since a sublight drive ( ? The
> name says it all) is only sublight, it cannot go faster than c.
But the .5 comment was in relation to Hyperspace. Perhaps they could use
the hyperdrive along with the real engines to go faster than light in
realspace. Then again, this is just speculation.
Chuck
"Dalton" <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote in message
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> The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> Hyperspace.
>
> Discuss!
I really don't think so. The .5 has no real unit to it, so it's not
necessarily referring to c, and I just can't see a tiny ship like the falcon
having enough fuel to reach that speed without some trick like hyperspace.
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Dalton
>
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:31:01 +0100, "Rog"
> <ro...@slaanesh.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> >> Hyperspace.
> >>
> >> Discuss!
> >
> >crappy back up hyperdrive theory.
>
> We know that ST possesed subspace tech 25,000 years before the movies,
> so maybe some of their ships ( especially runner ships and similar )
> have some kind of backup subspaced based FTL drive...
And I thought I was full of shit :^D
Dalton
>
> Dalton wrote:
> >
> > The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > Hyperspace.
> >
> > Discuss!
>
> I imagine there would be really bad time dialation effects. ie The MF spends
> a few hours at hyperspace then comes out only to find that the war's been won
> and everyone's lived happily every after. Except for Leia, who spent the past
> 10 years or so crying herself to sleep.
Interesting theory there!
Dalton
>
> "Dalton" <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote in message
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> > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > Hyperspace.
> >
> > Discuss!
> necessarily referring to c, and I just can't see a tiny ship like the falcon
> having enough fuel to reach that speed without some trick like hyperspace.
Yeah, that's why the .5 is in regards to the Hyperdrive.
Dalton
>
> Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote in message
> news:393DD9EA...@nospam.erols.com...
> > The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > Hyperspace.
> >
> > Discuss!
>
> crappy back up hyperdrive theory.
Very true!
Dalton
>
> Dalton wrote:
> >
> > The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > Hyperspace.
> >
> > Discuss!
>
>
> ISDs are always seen to be chasing and catching up with the Falcon, this
> would mean that even though the Falcon could go 1.5c without the
> hyperdrive, an ISD could go even faster.
> Unless there was some other reason why Han couldn't outrun the ISDs
> before jumping to hyperspace...
Well, the ISDs have huge engines and thus huge power capability :)
I see yer point tho
Dalton
>
> Dalton wrote:
> >
> > Spyda wrote:
> > >
> > > Dalton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> > > > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > > > Hyperspace.
> > > >
> > > > Discuss!
> > >
> > > I imagine there would be really bad time dialation effects. ie The MF spends
> > > a few hours at hyperspace then comes out only to find that the war's been won
> > > and everyone's lived happily every after. Except for Leia, who spent the past
> > > 10 years or so crying herself to sleep.
> >
> > Interesting theory there!
> >
>
> space didn't you!"
LOL!
Spyda
>
> The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> Hyperspace.
>
> Discuss!
I doubt it, it's impossible according to E=MC^2. But if it were possible then
I imagine there would be really bad time dialation effects. ie The MF spends
a few hours at hyperspace then comes out only to find that the war's been won
and everyone's lived happily every after. Except for Leia, who spent the past
10 years or so crying herself to sleep.
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>
> The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> Hyperspace.
>
> Discuss!
I've thought about this before, but I don't think it could be true.
Spyda
>
> Spyda wrote:
> >
> > Dalton wrote:
> > >
> > > The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> > > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > > Hyperspace.
> > >
> > > Discuss!
> >
> > I imagine there would be really bad time dialation effects. ie The MF spends
> > a few hours at hyperspace then comes out only to find that the war's been won
> > and everyone's lived happily every after. Except for Leia, who spent the past
> > 10 years or so crying herself to sleep.
>
>
Leia: "Han! You're alive! You.........you went past light speed in normal
space didn't you!"
Mike Griffiths
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> We know that ST possesed subspace tech 25,000 years before the movies,
> so maybe some of their ships ( especially runner ships and similar )
> have some kind of backup subspaced based FTL drive...
They really did lose some wonderful infop back in the dark ages!!
Chris O'Farrell
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It made cavalry charges a tad dangerous....
Sardaukar
>
> Sardaukar wrote:
> >
> > Dalton wrote:
> > >
> > > The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> > > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > > Hyperspace.
> > >
> > > Discuss!
> >
> >
> > ISDs are always seen to be chasing and catching up with the Falcon, this
> > would mean that even though the Falcon could go 1.5c without the
> > hyperdrive, an ISD could go even faster.
> > Unless there was some other reason why Han couldn't outrun the ISDs
> > before jumping to hyperspace...
>
>
> I see yer point tho
Still has a huge mass compared to the Falcon
The engines are proportionately larger than the Falcon's, that's
probably why they're faster, although I guess TIE's are faster than the
Falcon and their engines are tiny in comparison to pretty much every
other ship...
Lord Edam de Fromage
instead...
> > > The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> > > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > > Hyperspace.
> > >
> > > Discuss!
> > I really don't think so. The .5 has no real unit to it, so it's not
> > necessarily referring to c, and I just can't see a tiny ship like the falcon
> > having enough fuel to reach that speed without some trick like hyperspace.
>
> Yeah, that's why the .5 is in regards to the Hyperdrive.
But the .5 wasn't in regards to hyperspace, was it? Han said "Is she
fast? She can make .5 past lightspeed" - where'sthe hyperspace? and your
original comments were idnicating they were doing this without
hyperspace, so where't the hyperspace? Come on, where's the hyperspace?
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> Dalton wrote:
> >
> > Spyda wrote:
> > >
> > > Dalton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > > > Hyperspace.
> > > >
> > > > Discuss!
> > >
possible then
> > > I imagine there would be really bad time dialation effects. ie The MF
spends
> > > a few hours at hyperspace then comes out only to find that the war's
been won
> > > and everyone's lived happily every after. Except for Leia, who spent
the past
> > > 10 years or so crying herself to sleep.
> >
> > Interesting theory there!
> >
>
> Leia: "Han! You're alive! You.........you went past light speed in normal
> space didn't you!"
>
Wouldn't they be going back in time if they went FTL in realspace though?
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>>
>> Leia: "Han! You're alive! You.........you went past light speed in normal
>> space didn't you!"
>
>LOL!
>
So that's where 'laserbrain' comes from.
In any case, Han said "point five past light-speed", not "one point
five light-speed."
The 'point five' is referring to an unknown unit measure, possibly
related to how the Imps measure Hyperdrive performance. Possibly like
0.5 tachyo-something past light-speed.
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> Only Warp Drive can do that in real space . Since a sublight drive ( ? The
> name says it all) is only sublight, it cannot go faster than c.
What does a warp drive have to do with SW sublight and
hyperdirves?
Dalton
>
> Dalton wrote:
> >
> > Sardaukar wrote:
> > >
> > > Dalton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The .5 past lightspeed comment referring to...sublight drive. Not
> > > > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > > > Hyperspace.
> > > >
> > > > Discuss!
> > >
> > >
> > > ISDs are always seen to be chasing and catching up with the Falcon, this
> > > would mean that even though the Falcon could go 1.5c without the
> > > hyperdrive, an ISD could go even faster.
> > > Unless there was some other reason why Han couldn't outrun the ISDs
> > > before jumping to hyperspace...
> >
> > Well, the ISDs have huge engines and thus huge power capability :)
> >
> > I see yer point tho
>
> Still has a huge mass compared to the Falcon
>
> The engines are proportionately larger than the Falcon's, that's
> probably why they're faster, although I guess TIE's are faster than the
> Falcon and their engines are tiny in comparison to pretty much every
> other ship...
Good point
Dalton
>
> Dalton couldn't think of anything useful to say, so wibbled this
> instead...
>
> > > > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > > > Hyperspace.
> > > >
> > > > Discuss!
> > > necessarily referring to c, and I just can't see a tiny ship like the falcon
> > > having enough fuel to reach that speed without some trick like hyperspace.
> >
> > Yeah, that's why the .5 is in regards to the Hyperdrive.
>
> But the .5 wasn't in regards to hyperspace, was it? Han said "Is she
> fast? She can make .5 past lightspeed" - where'sthe hyperspace? and your
> original comments were idnicating they were doing this without
> hyperspace, so where't the hyperspace? Come on, where's the hyperspace?
I never said Hyperspace.
I said Hyperdrive.
Again, I'm debating the plausibility.
Dalton
>
> sub-space transmission from Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> :
>
> >>
> >> Leia: "Han! You're alive! You.........you went past light speed in normal
> >> space didn't you!"
> >
> >LOL!
> >
>
> So that's where 'laserbrain' comes from.
>
*grin*
> In any case, Han said "point five past light-speed", not "one point
> five light-speed."
>
> The 'point five' is referring to an unknown unit measure, possibly
> related to how the Imps measure Hyperdrive performance. Possibly like
> 0.5 tachyo-something past light-speed.
That is entirely possible.
Dalton
>
> sub-space transmission from Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> :
>
> >>
> >> Leia: "Han! You're alive! You.........you went past light speed in normal
> >> space didn't you!"
> >
> >LOL!
> >
>
> So that's where 'laserbrain' comes from.
>
> five light-speed."
>
> The 'point five' is referring to an unknown unit measure, possibly
> related to how the Imps measure Hyperdrive performance. Possibly like
> 0.5 tachyo-something past light-speed.
Just had another thought on this, perhaps it could mean .5 past
lightspeed benchmark, or .5 past the typical hyperspace speeds.
Spyda
>
> "Spyda" <sp...@spacemoose.com> wrote in message
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> > Dalton wrote:
> > >
> > > Spyda wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dalton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hyperdrive. Meaning the Falcon can go at .5 past c without entering
> > > > > Hyperspace.
> > > > >
> > > > > Discuss!
> > > >
> possible then
> > > > I imagine there would be really bad time dialation effects. ie The MF
> spends
> > > > a few hours at hyperspace then comes out only to find that the war's
> been won
> > > > and everyone's lived happily every after. Except for Leia, who spent
> the past
> > > > 10 years or so crying herself to sleep.
> > >
> > > Interesting theory there!
> > >
> >
> > space didn't you!"
> >
>
No, at least I don't think so. You go back in time if it's through a really
big gravity well, (I think).
As far as I know it's go fast, time slows down. Travelling 14 lightyears at
lightspeed would only take a few hours for the crew but 14 years for everyone
else. At least I think that's how it works anyway.
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Spyda
> >> space didn't you!"
> >
> >
>
> So that's where 'laserbrain' comes from.
>
> In any case, Han said "point five past light-speed", not "one point
> five light-speed."
>
> The 'point five' is referring to an unknown unit measure, possibly
> related to how the Imps measure Hyperdrive performance. Possibly like
> 0.5 tachyo-something past light-speed.
Things we don't know we just assume are true. That's how TOWNMNBS lasted as
long as he did.
Ashen-Shugar
>Ashen-Shugar wrote:
>>
>> sub-space transmission from Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> :
>>
>> >>
>> >> Leia: "Han! You're alive! You.........you went past light speed in normal
>> >> space didn't you!"
>> >
>> >LOL!
>> >
>>
>> So that's where 'laserbrain' comes from.
>>
>> In any case, Han said "point five past light-speed", not "one point
>> five light-speed."
>>
>> The 'point five' is referring to an unknown unit measure, possibly
>> related to how the Imps measure Hyperdrive performance. Possibly like
>> 0.5 tachyo-something past light-speed.
>
>Things we don't know we just assume are true. That's how TOWNMNBS lasted as
>long as he did.
>
By definition, "past light-speed" implies a tachyonic state (or
hyperspace if you will). Thus 'point five' into the realms of
tachyonic space is (to us) a meaningless number though it may mean
something to a society with vessels that regularly enter this state.
Presumably, from the way Han makes the statement, it is an exceptional
achievement for any vessel.
Wayne Poe
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Lord Edam de Fromage wrote:
> > Yeah, that's why the .5 is in regards to the Hyperdrive.
> But the .5 wasn't in regards to hyperspace, was it? Han said "Is she
> fast? She can make .5 past lightspeed" - where'sthe hyperspace? and your
> original comments were idnicating they were doing this without
> hyperspace, so where't the hyperspace? Come on, where's the hyperspace?
The terms hyperspace and lightspeed are transposed all over the movies.
Its such a non-event everyone's used to that the simply say lightspeed.
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