Askem Noone - how it started
J. Juls
askem noone, since I seem to save everything! Trust me, T'Len, it's
not her personal vendetta to piss you off or anything, or her being
catty for a little friend or trying to hide her own story or whatever.
This is a feature of the newsgroup, which anyone can use.
>Subject:
Askem Noone - Why and How
Date:
Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:05:31 +1000
From:
Robin Lawrie <Rob...@s054.aone.net.au>
To:
as...@earthlink.net
I started the Askem Noone pen name as a way for authors to post a
story
anonymously yet still receive and reply to feedback without having to
worry
about starting up and maintaining different email addys. Also at the
time I
started this service there was a request for more outrageous treksmut
to be
posted so it seemed a good way to encourage it.
Why would someone want to post anonymously? There's a few reasons. 1.
The
story is written in a different style to the authors usual style and
they
didn't want preconceptions cluttering up the readers view of the
story.
2.The story is totally outrageous and liable to attract flames, piss
people
off, shock, offend and/or start a flame war and the writer doesn't
want the
hassle of being associated with it. 3. The story is an experiment to
see if
an idea, theme, topic, style, tone, or pairing works. 4. The story
pushes
the boundaries of the Trek world and not just canon but fanfic canon
too. 5.
New writers keen to post their first Treksmut but want to test the
waters
first before putting their name to a "naughty" fanfic. There're other
reasons obviously, but this is just to give you ideas. (leading people
astray, again)
How does it works? Send your story to my e-addy
<Rob...@s054.aone.net.au>,
split into Alexas-friendly bits of no more than 25k. I strip headers
and
check to make sure you've remembered to leave your name off and then
post
the story to ASCEM under the Askem Noone pen name. Usually I'll put a
little
note at the start to remind people that it's not my story, but to send
feedback to my e-addy. Then when I receive feedback for your story, I
acknowledge receipt of the comment to the sender, and foreward the
comment
to you. If you want to reply to the comment making person, send your
reply
to me, I strip headers etc, and foreward it on.
Simple. Now it sounds like a lot of work, but it really isn't, and
there's
been some quite, hmmmm, (thinks tactfully) interesting? inventive?
outrageous? "truely wonderfull, full on fuck fests" stories posted so
far.
Sure, you need to trust me but I haven't fucked up yet(touch wood).
The
Askem Noone stuff gets put into its own folder so as not to be
confused with
the other mail, and it does get backed up.
Why "Askem Noone"? It's for "ASCEM, No one". It's a convenient way of
letting the reader know that an Askem Noone story will typically be
"outside
of the square" and they better read those warnings and heed them.
Watch out!
Known writers who may quite happily dispense sweet and light romance
*may*
be fucking with your mind, rubbing their hands with glee as you
squirm.
Now your anonymity isn't written in stone. If at any time *you* want
to own
up to writing an Askem Noone feel free to do so. It's always your
story. You
own it as much as Paramount lets you. *You* say where it gets archived
etc.
as part of your normal intro and disclaimers. The only thing missing
will be
the authors name. But *you* will be the only person who can "out"
yourself
as the author. My lips are sealed. They won't hear it from me. They
could
drag me naked and screaming across hot Picards and Janeways and I
wouldn't
tell (go on, I dare ya! Go on... please?)
Why am I doing this? Cause I'm a nice person? Cause I like off beat,
well
written Treksmut as much as the next person? Cause I've had lots of
fun with
ascem and it's my way of helping out? Cause I get to read these
stories
first? Three out of these four reasons are true.<g> If you want to
know more
about this, drop me a line.
Robin Lawrie
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T'Len
>I don't think Robin would mind if I reposted this explanation about
>askem noone, since I seem to save everything! Trust me, T'Len, it's
>not her personal vendetta to piss you off or anything, or her being
>catty for a little friend or trying to hide her own story or whatever.
>This is a feature of the newsgroup, which anyone can use.
I still completely lack of understanding. Point one is the only one I can
agree with. Although I wouldn't prefer it for myself. On another list
someone told me that s/he always suspects to get a funny start in the
morning when s/he sees my name in the post. It is even more surprising if
ppl. go with a certain prejustice in a story and then it turns out
completely different as the thought it would be. This can trigger some
interesting feedback for the author. BTW where is the problem to create a
new identity/addy with all this for-free-possibilities on the net? Someone
can easily remain completely unknown for the others ithout hiding behind a
"no one".
With all the other points I disagree. I want to know who started a flame
war. And when I'm the reason of it I have no problem to let this fact
others know. I'm not the person to tell anybody how to run this list but
imo this whole Noone-stuff make it to easy for ppl. to start a flame-war
and remain for themselfs completely uneffected.
We are adults here. We should be able to speak out our opinions, to take
critics, to accept negabive responses, to discuss thinks out in a mannerly
way. If someone fears that s/he is imo at the wrong place. I always thought
that is a open-minded place with open-minded ppl. who do not have to fear
to say aloud what they think. I, at least, handled things so, since I'm
here. And I'm disappointed that others don't so, that such a behavior is
even encouraged.
Even if "Noone" is thinking about the reactions s/he got, s/he still
remains relatively uneffected and safe. What if all ppl. here would think
so? If everybody would fear any reaction this would be a very boring list.
I'm glad that those who are activ here, usually do not think so. And I hope
the "Noones" will remain in teh minority for ever.
T'Len
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J. Juls
> new identity/addy with all this for-free-possibilities on the net?
Someone
> can easily remain completely unknown for the others ithout hiding
behind a
> "no one".
>
Now that I think about it, back in 1997 (Oh, way back when, I remember
when we had to walk 3 miles to school! In the snow! Uphill BOTH
ways! And we ate dirt, and we liked it! We liked it, consarn it!
You whippersnappers!) it was harder to get an email address. Most
ppl had only one, and a bunch of ppl used their names from work, or
shared with someone else. So boyoboy, ya didn't want The Man finding
out you were posting Treksmut, LOL!
Julie
Robin
> I don't think Robin would mind if I reposted this explanation about
> askem noone, since I seem to save everything!
Bloody hell! Where did you dig that one up from! <g>. Too many email crashes for
me since that was posted.
> Trust me, T'Len, it's
> not her personal vendetta to piss you off or anything, or her being
> catty for a little friend or trying to hide her own story or whatever.
> This is a feature of the newsgroup, which anyone can use.
Yup, exactly.
It gets used infrequently, but hasn't gone away.
Another reason why I started this up was to save there being "one off" stories
with different writer names that might disappear without notice. At the time, I
was trying to encourage edgier stories, and so if you saw that a story was by an
"Ascem Noone" you'd have a fair idea that it would something different.
Now days there are other options and many people choose them. Also, I think
people may be getting a little innured to what they are writing, and feel ok
about posting stuff that perhaps a couple of years ago they may have hesitated
to do so. Now, if you want to write about a cutting scene between Kirk and Hog
Tied Spock, and have Kirk lick the still warm, copper flavoured blood from the
tip of Spock's nipple, well, you just go ahead and write that and post away and
no one thinks any the worse of you!
But I reckon if you wanted to write a story about Psychotic!Kirk who, under the
influence of some strange exotic drug, cuts a hole in Spock's chest and fucks
him through it until he's dead, then perhaps I'll be seeing that story to post
as an Ascem Noone.
And you know what? That would be fine with me.
> How does it works? Send your story to my e-addy
> <Rob...@s054.aone.net.au>,
Except I have a new addy now of rob...@bigpond.net.au
but I remain, as ever, Robin Lawrie.
Robin
hammersc
>people may be getting a little innured to what they are writing, and feel ok
>about posting stuff that perhaps a couple of years ago they may have
hesitated
>to do so. Now, if you want to write about a cutting scene between Kirk and
Hog
>Tied Spock, and have Kirk lick the still warm, copper flavoured blood from
the
>tip of Spock's nipple, well, you just go ahead and write that and post away
and
>no one thinks any the worse of you!
>
>But I reckon if you wanted to write a story about Psychotic!Kirk who, under
the
>influence of some strange exotic drug, cuts a hole in Spock's chest and fucks
>him through it until he's dead, then perhaps I'll be seeing that story to
post
>as an Ascem Noone.
Oh, great, now I'm going to go to bed tonight thinking about that... and how
much our perceptions of what's sexually "OK" have changed in the last few
years... and that on ASCEM in 1997 there were probably about as many BDSM
stories as there are Psychotic!Kirk-fucking-Dead!Spock-through-the-chest
stories these days... and what can we expect in 2010...?
<shudder>
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T'Len
>when we had to walk 3 miles to school! In the snow! Uphill BOTH
>ways! And we ate dirt, and we liked it! We liked it, consarn it!
>You whippersnappers!) it was harder to get an email address. Most
>ppl had only one, and a bunch of ppl used their names from work, or
>shared with someone else. So boyoboy, ya didn't want The Man finding
>out you were posting Treksmut, LOL!
>Julie
Okay, that's a reason I can see, too. But the story was postet four days
not four years ago and today most of the big providers offer you more then
one addy or you can use one of those free offers like yahoo. I would bet
those reason will hardly apply to Noone now.
T'Len
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Robin
>
> Okay, that's a reason I can see, too. But the story was postet four days
> not four years ago and today most of the big providers offer you more then
> one addy or you can use one of those free offers like yahoo. I would bet
> those reason will hardly apply to Noone now.
>
that I know who wrote it and you don't.
And it will stay that way unless the author decides otherwise.
Oh! I guess if it comes from my IP address too, that will make it untraceable to
the actual author. Yeah, I can see how that would bug you, if you were so keen
to hunt down who it was.
Sorry, but I'm having difficulty understanding why this is upsetting you so much
when you post under the name "T'Len".
Robin
T'Len
Robin wrote:
>Yup, exactly.
>It gets used infrequently, but hasn't gone away.
>Another reason why I started this up was to save there being "one off"
stories
>with different writer names that might disappear without notice. At the
time, I
>was trying to encourage edgier stories, and so if you saw that a story was
by an
>"Ascem Noone" you'd have a fair idea that it would something different.
>Now days there are other options and many people choose them. Also, I
think
>people may be getting a little innured to what they are writing, and feel
ok
>about posting stuff that perhaps a couple of years ago they may have
hesitated
>to do so. Now, if you want to write about a cutting scene between Kirk and
Hog
>Tied Spock, and have Kirk lick the still warm, copper flavoured blood from
the
>tip of Spock's nipple, well, you just go ahead and write that and post
away and
>no one thinks any the worse of you!
>But I reckon if you wanted to write a story about Psychotic!Kirk who,
under the
>influence of some strange exotic drug, cuts a hole in Spock's chest and
fucks
>him through it until he's dead, then perhaps I'll be seeing that story to
post
>as an Ascem Noone.
>And you know what? That would be fine with me
I feel ashemed that ppl. think they can't post anything here under a name.
For me "kinky" stuff has the same rigth to be here like to tausends
romantic ft-story. If someone can't stand it s/he should not read it.
Therefore exist the header. But to blame someone in general only because
s/he tried out something different fromt he norm - then those persons never
have understood the meaning of IDIC.
I like to stretch boundaries, to taste the limits, to push the final
frontier a little bit more away. You would have seen more of that (I don't
mean incest with that, more strange pairings or weird plots) if I had more
time to translate all my German stuff. I love to see when others do also
"strange" thinks but I feel sorrow that the feel the need to hide behind
"Noone".
T'Len
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Duny...@aol.com
> >But I reckon if you wanted to write a story about Psychotic!Kirk who,
under
> the
> >influence of some strange exotic drug, cuts a hole in Spock's chest and
> fucks
> >him through it until he's dead, then perhaps I'll be seeing that story to
> post
> >as an Ascem Noone.
Hmm, well, for those of us who survived the 1960s, this scenario is strangely
reminiscent of Paul Krassner's piece in the Realist about what LBJ did to JFK
as they flew on Air Force One from Dallas to Washington DC on that fateful
November 22, 1963. Think "bullet hole," folks.
Judith
Karmen Ghia
silence, I wouldn't be at all surprised because it's
even making me sick.
No wonder people lurk on this list.
This is all I have to say about this - negative
comments to me, about me or around me, on or offlist,
will be trashed without being read. Especially if
they're from Askem Noone. So if you don't get an
answer, it's because I'm not even looking anymore.
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hammersc
>reminiscent of Paul Krassner's piece in the Realist about what LBJ did to JFK
>as they flew on Air Force One from Dallas to Washington DC on that fateful
>November 22, 1963. Think "bullet hole," folks.
YUCK.
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T'Len
you
>that I know who wrote it and you don't.
That I can't say hir directly what I think about hir behaviour. I don't
like to communicate about a third person. If s/he has a problem with my
story s/he should give me the honor to say it in my face not hide behind
you. I would very much like to say what I think about her drabble. But as a
principe I have the honor to say ppl. directly in their face what I think
about their work. As I can't reach Noone except over you or the group I'm
not able to give hir any fb. She had any chance to say what s/he was
thinking about my story, I claim the same right for me. But s/he neglect
it. If I'm honest to someone I await the same honosty. What Noone shows is
an childish, dishonest behavior I'm not encouraging with giving her any
openly fb. S/he can feel at the safe side if that is what s/he wanted. I
don't bother if a name I know is behind Noone. It even can be one of my
best friends, it doesn't matter. But I want an direct adultly contact not a
childish hiding behind anonymity.
>Sorry, but I'm having difficulty understanding why this is upsetting you
so much
>when you post under the name "T'Len".
Because I GIVE a name, a addy anybody who want's can cope with. My name is
inflicted hirs isn't. I do not critize anybody anonymous. I do not claim to
know any person here. There may be a name behind Noone I never heard/read
of. It doesn't matter. But a name is a name with whom somebody can deal (if
pseudo or real, BTM most of the ppl. from the list I have regular private
contact do know me real name. I have no problem with this. The reasons I
don't post under it does not matter here. And a pseudo is not the same like
anonymous), an addy is a way to achieve contact about things which
shouldn't be discussed openly - I give this both. Noone doesn't. That's a
big difference.
As I said above I would very much like to say hir what I think about the
drabble, but I'm a person who likes to give author authors the chance to
explain themselfs before I threw them by the lions. For me this is a
question of honor. Something Noone obviously does not understand.
T'Len
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hammersc
>You know, if this discussion has beaten T'Len into
>silence, I wouldn't be at all surprised because it's
>even making me sick.
In fact, I can't believe it that T'Len is *not beaten into silence. I am
surprised at her strength; *I* certainly would have been by now.
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