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Ron

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Oct 24, 2014, 5:57:54 PM10/24/14
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Mozzer

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Oct 24, 2014, 6:04:29 PM10/24/14
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No Ron, I demand facts. So let us get an independent enquiry into both
the English and Welsh NHS by the OECD on the way.

I presume you have no objection to this? After all, Labour call for 2 or
3 of them a week. Why not let this one proceed?

Ron

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Oct 24, 2014, 6:22:08 PM10/24/14
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Mozzer brought next idea :
Well you could start with this one

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-governments-remarkable-response-daily-7967737

But you still fail, starting a thread by the scum faking bastards.

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 25, 2014, 6:53:57 AM10/25/14
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Ron the left lie far more then the Daily Mail ever did and I can't recall the Daily Mail killing millions.

Ron

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Oct 25, 2014, 7:40:10 AM10/25/14
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After serious thinking Lawrence Jenkins wrote :
the Daily Mail supported hitler so in a way they did,you line them up
and i will shoot em down. lol

]v[etaphoid

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Oct 25, 2014, 9:03:18 PM10/25/14
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Ron submitted this idea :
Gotta take a shit, Ron.

Reckon you can wait 10 minutes so that we can continue discussing your
mocking of Mozzer's political beliefs?

]v[etaphoid

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Oct 25, 2014, 10:19:34 PM10/25/14
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]v[etaphoid brought next idea :
OK - I'm back now.

Tell us again how an educated fellow knows so much more about politics
than Mozzer or David Cameron...

Ron

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Oct 25, 2014, 10:21:45 PM10/25/14
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]v[etaphoid explained :
Stop it my sides are hurting

]v[etaphoid

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Oct 25, 2014, 10:25:18 PM10/25/14
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Ron formulated on Sunday :
I have an Excel formula that can cure that...

Mind you, if you get *too* healthy, you may not be eligible for that
compo claim you've been working towards for the past decade...

Ron

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Oct 25, 2014, 10:27:36 PM10/25/14
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]v[etaphoid was thinking very hard :
I have a magic wand tool, stop it my my sides are splitting lol lol lol

]v[etaphoid

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Oct 25, 2014, 10:31:57 PM10/25/14
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It happens that Ron formulated :
As so many others have pointed out, your attempted insults don't make
much sense to the rest of us...

You seem to lose traction as the hours get late, Ron. Have you got your
cankles elevated as per doctor's (read lawyer's) orders?

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 26, 2014, 10:51:19 AM10/26/14
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So did Stalin

You line em up and I'll shoot them down

Ron

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Oct 26, 2014, 11:33:44 AM10/26/14
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Lawrence Jenkins used his keyboard to write :
Stalin supported the Daily Mail? haha

chuck-spears

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Oct 27, 2014, 10:04:30 AM10/27/14
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Lawrence maybe you don't realise but and resolute adherence to
capitalism has also caused the deaths of millions of people. Read up on
the Great Indian Famine, the land clearances in the Scottish highlands
and the Irish potato famine to name a few. In all the cases more than
enough food to sustain the population was being produced but it was
being exported because the government chose not to interfere with market
forces.
The mindless adherence to an ideology whether it be Communist or
Capitalist or anything else will likely end in disaster.

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 27, 2014, 12:47:58 PM10/27/14
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The Irish potato famine had nothing to do with capitalism, Ireland is a tough place to grow edible crops in fact its always been until the introduction of the potato subsistence farming which proved miraculous increasing the Irish fertility rate and subsequently the population

"And grow they did; between 1700 and 1800 the population doubled from somewhere around 2.5 million people to about 5 million people. By the early 1840s, the population stood at 8.2 "

source http://www.netplaces.com/irish-history/the-great-irish-potato-famine/potatoes-for-better-or-for-worse.htm


Also you have to realise that Europe a all the way through to China had been trough a whole period of plagues and famines against a the back drop of the Little Ice Age where average temperature plunged several degrees Celsius. You also have to remember farming was nothing like we know it to be now, this was all before the agrarian revolution. The feudal farming system even in the medieval warm maximum which ended with the black death seeping westwards in the 13th century one man could hardly feed himself let alone his family and the best to the landlord or lord of the manor. One the Little Ice Age kicked in around 1400 onwards the life expectancy of all fell over a 300 year period .


This was a fucking miserable time to live in, always wet, hungry (except for harvest and the winter feast when live stock had to be killed as they couldn't be fed through the very harsh winters: but besides that always ill , malnourished low life expectancy very high infant mortality rate and so on.

I think with the potato famine people want someone to blame for what was on its inception a fantastic crop to introduce to a land that was wetter and less able to grow edible crops than England in that Little Ice Age period. Just look at those population figures again 2 million to 8 million in a 140 years. Of course the stories of other food stuffs being exported and so on is harsh but they were in the hands of those who had invested in that product and yes survival and power come into to it but it was in that period that human intelligence precipitated the agrarian revolution.


The thing to remember about famines is they've always been part of human history and exacerbated by the slow but exponentially rising population which really took off in thios period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth#mediaviewer/File:Population_curve.svg


No to blame famines on capitalism or the potato famine purely on the English is totally wide of ant truthful historical perspective.




http://www.history.com/news/little-ice-age-big-consequences

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 27, 2014, 12:58:48 PM10/27/14
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On Monday, 27 October 2014 14:04:30 UTC, chuck-spears wrote:
By the way Chuck: I'm not clinging to the ideology of Capitalism but I am giving this 'mode of production' its true due. It has catapulted in less 9 granddads ago , us to the position where I'm off today from work, I'm relaxing after some Autumn gardening work I 'reasonably healthy at 61 and I'm sitting down dry and warm on a keyboard typing a response to you. 9 grandads ago email would have got you burnt as a witch!!!!!

chuck-spears

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Oct 27, 2014, 2:34:18 PM10/27/14
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What the hell are you on about, 'Little Ice Age' indeed. What the
hell has the 'Little Ice Age' got to do with the export of 6.4 million
hundredweight of wheat from India while 5.5 million people starved under
'company rule' in India?
What has the 'Little Ice Age' got to do with thousands of people being
clear off fertile farm land in the highlands, onto land that could not
sustain them, because it was more profitable to raise livestock on that
land?
What has the 'Little Ice Age' got to do with the export of
approximately thirty to fifty shiploads of food per day from Ireland and
people were cleared off land because it was more profitable to raise
livestock, while the famine was in progress?

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 27, 2014, 3:50:05 PM10/27/14
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Oops another oirishman with a potato chip on his shoulder. Can you read, do you understand : there was subsistence farming in Ireland and the LITTLE ICE AGE MADE IT A HELL OF A LOT WORSE. the potato was introduced by Sir Walter Raleigh . It quadrupled the Irish population so when it got the blight no doubt purposely done by old blighty across the water the most were in trouble. You seem to have no grasp whatsoever on human history how tough it was , how nasty it was and how it had always been that way through the last ice age when humans nearly became extinct up until capitalism released humans from the tyranny of nature.

You make me die with you lefty some one is always to blame view. You talk shit. If Ireland had have been left totally alone with no agrarian revolution its population would never have grown because until husbandry

Ireland has never been good for edible crops bar oats and is now dedicated primarily to grass for cattle and sheep farming which in turn was only made possible by the agrarian revolution 1750 onwards

Even potatoes are best grown elsewhere

http://www.geohive.com/charts/ag_potato.aspx

"Land Use
*Irish agriculture is primarily a grass-based industry.
*The Census of Agriculture 2010 early results just published showed there were 139,829 farms compared to 141,527 farms in June 2000. The utilised agricultural area increased by 2.8% over the ten year period, from 4,443,071 hectares in June 2000 to 4,569,359 hectares in June 2010. The average size of agricultural holding increased from 31.4 hectares to 32.7
*The land area of Ireland is 6.9million hectares, of which about 4.2million hectares is used for agriculture or about 64% of total land area and 745,456 hectares for forestry or about 10.8% of total land.
*Approximately 80% (3.36 million ha) of agricultural area is devoted to grass (silage, hay and pasture), 11% (0.46 million ha) is in rough grazing and the remainder circa 9% (0.38 million ha) is allocated to crop production.
*Beef and milk production currently account for around 58% of agricultural output at producer prices"



So in summary Ireland is a wet place that is best suited to grass farming . Your just bitter with old grievances starting from the Normans and seem to want to be driven by grievance if Ireland was left out of the agrarian revolution it would produce fuck all. Of course we cab look back and say thing were grossly unfair but point out any time in history before capitalism when they were.

As for famine in India it was not caused by the British, India has suffered 90 known famines in a 2500 year time span. That wheat you talk about would never have been there without British application of agricultural management. Most of the problems in India were due to lack of markets and infrastructure i.e. now transport to move food and stop it spoiling in severe heat conditions.
The British left India with something to this day it still totally relies on Railway system all lefties like you do is moan about the British Empire read subtext England. Do you ever hear the Saxons who were subjugated to Norman brutal rule a thousand years ago....no we just put history in context, History like nature is brutal one famine in India and you don't want to tall about the other approx. 89.. All the left do is wallow in grievance politics and rip any contextual out of history so it suits their narrative,.

Grow up and get over it.

Paul Pot

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Oct 27, 2014, 4:19:14 PM10/27/14
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on 10/27/2014, chuck-spears supposed :
The potato-headed pervert is clearly mad.

--
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?


chuck-spears

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Oct 27, 2014, 4:57:55 PM10/27/14
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Have you ever been to Ireland Lawrence? It's not a big swamp, there are
parts of Ireland on the east coast that get as little rain as most
regions of England. Since you have avoided my main point of why all the
food was exported while people starved and tried to present it as some
sort of anti British rant, why do you think all the food was being
exported while millions of people starved? Was it because profit was put
before the lives of people or was it something else?

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 27, 2014, 5:40:34 PM10/27/14
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I'm sorry Chuck but I'm not going to get into this argument. I can't have a conversation with someone who displays such subjectivity and denies meteorological facts let alone historic ones.

From wiki and the climate of Ireland

"Hardiness zones[edit]

Ireland's (and Britain's) hardiness zones
Most of Ireland is in hardiness zone 9, with the interior being zone 8 and the south-west coast being in zone 10.".

I mean saying stuff like 'its not one big swamp' is so childish.
And finally: of course profit was put first the food had a market that didn't exist in the poor Irish agricultural classes but without capitalism and the agricultural and industry advances that came with it.

You talk like everything was so wonderful and fair before capitalism. Capitalism has given you freedom because it creates enough to eat you saw that population rise what's capitalism has done is incredible and only a lefty with a sick twisted view of the world would say otherwise. People are spoilt nowadays

I mean I just can't believe that people like you are so twisted and bitter without capitalism there wouldn't be any food to eat let alone make profits from. If you despise capitalism so much can I suggest you throw away the computer , grow some spuds and start burning peat. Also stop taking any medication if needed because they are all a product of Capitalism.


Back to the weather of Ireland that is only conducive of growing certain crops here's a table from the Food Safety Authority Of Ireland about vitamin D deficiency which is prevalent in Ireland due to its maritime climate bringing constant cloud cover and a genetic strain known as the red faced mick where skin has to be very sensitive to light to make the most of lack of sunshine

http://www.fsai.ie/faq/vitamin_D.html

England in fact is far drier, has more sunshine hours due to less cloudiness. Why you would want to argue over meteorological facts is beyond me.

chuck-spears

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Oct 27, 2014, 6:19:36 PM10/27/14
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First of all, I didn't claim Ireland as a whole, what posted was,
"there are parts of Ireland on the east coast that get as little rain as
most regions of England". A lack of vitamin D has soared in the rest
of the British Isles in recent years, so I don't know what point you are
trying to make there.
When exactly do you think capitalism began? You seem to be mixing
Capitalism up with progress in the technology of food production,
storage and distribution. The acceleration in technological progress is
mainly due to a much larger proportion of the population having access
to education. Before state education, science was something of a rich
man's hobby, so progress happened slowly. Unfortunately it took two
world wars to spark most of the change we have witnessed in the last 50
years. When people returned from the war they weren't prepared to be
treated like shit any more and those in power realised that if they
didn't educate the population, the country would quickly fall behind in
the technology needed to fight modern wars.

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 27, 2014, 7:33:46 PM10/27/14
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Weather first East England is a major farming area of the UK and is far less wet than the east coast of Island and far more sunshine and far warmer -why because its next to continental Europe and the heat that builds over Europe in usually anti cyclonic conditions gives far greater warmth than anywhere in Ireland by the same token in winter the cold that will build over Europe when pushed west can bring far colder condition to the Eastern Britain and the western coast of England but that cold bitter continental air when travelling west has to cross the Irish sea warming and again the ocean plays a massive role in Irelands climate

Capitalism is a mode of production it require free wage labour, currency, banking system, an ordered society. Once all those things became slowly in place and the Tudor broke with Rome stopped a third of taxes going to Rome freed up all the land to sell the new owners all pouring into sheep farming selling to Europe and to Russia via and around the Hanseatic league, Gold pouring into Europe increasing monetary liquidity Martin Luther in Germany all these things weakening the old hierarchy those landed aristocracy Do you know what the second richest town in England was during the time of the Tudors ?


England being an island have great naval tradition ion, trees even for the ships the growing wealth religious strains. The Catholics always Armada, threatening end of Tudors king James , Charles swinging towards Catholicism finally the English civil war where suddenly a king is disposed by his own people. All these things aspired to England being the first set up and raring to go Capitalist country one the austerity of Cromwell had past parliament now truly in the driving seat things now accelerating out of all known perspective.

I don't think you really understand the role of capitalism in releasing and turbo charging scientific progress now for the first time very was real incentive to. You say stuff like greater access to education is the reason for the acceleration in technological progress -well of course it is but education needs wealth as Britain and initially the western world grew wealthier so everything improved exponentially . Why wasn't education for all available before two hundred years ago.

1) wasn't thought of
2) Parents were on their holidays far too much
3) Truancy levels were high

How could any entrepreneur have come up with a marketing idea in the dark ages? Where was the physical market to utilise and buy that idea/product


As for the two world wars: For you to suggest that people being fed up with wars sparked the changes is rubbish. and puts the cart before the horse. It was the innovations created by war that took aviation, science, technology into a whole new sphere medicine with anti biotic , sanitation all these are made possible by captialsm


Look people after two world wars can come back and have the ability to change things politically but if the technology the impetus and the economic set up isn't there it doesn't matter your life cannot improve, In the soviet union people lives didn't improve hardly at all post war .

Look I'm tired but I'll make this last point . If you looked at the population graph you can see how it explodes with the rapid industrialisation and agricultural progress during a certain time in history and the clue is it wasn't feudalism. You seem to have this totally unscientific notion that class struggle was the forcing to all the improvements. I'm off to bed.

chuck-spears

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Oct 27, 2014, 8:14:22 PM10/27/14
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I don't know where you cut and pasted all of that from but it doesn't
make much sense. All I can say is that I didn't suggest what you are
claiming I did about the wars. As for the rest of your post, try reading
it yourself, it's reads like one of those random sentence generators.
My point was that it was only when people came back from the world to
demand basic education and health care for all, that the acceleration in
technological innovation became possible.
Don't take it from me, here is one old guy that remembers living
through it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29345395

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 28, 2014, 2:49:08 PM10/28/14
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I never cut and paste without acknowledgment.

As for knowing someone who lived through it , my whole bleedin' family lived through it, Grandad and dad in the forces my mother evacuated to Blackpool and Bideford plus I actually grew up with what we use to call working class people
I say that because now there is a none working class. I note that Jade Goody's mum as been told she has to get a job.

To be honest I grew up in late fifties and early sixties in Camberwell, Southwark Went out to pubs and thousands of parties for my parent friends and family would pick topics they would talk about but I never once experienced this apparent left-wing militancy that I was later to find out about when I associated with the Socialist Labour league who to be honest through left wing middle class people told me my experience was in my head and really my family and their friends were all raving militants.


As for that link -well there's more revisionist history for you. As I said in the late seventies my new left wing politic was alien to all the working class people my family knew. My father had a really tough upbringing in the elephant and castle one bed for him and his three siblings, my nan and granddad from Nunhead in the twenties and thirties but never once did I hear them spit bile at their lot, they just kind of got on with it.

Actually you've done me a favour with your post as its clarified my thoughts and memories. yes there was a massive move to Labour post war but all the WC peple I knew as a toddler and grew up with never once spout left wing hate.


That bloke at the Labour party who had everyone in tears Well what if he described the life for everyone before capitalism eh?

He could have talked about rickets, scurvy , cholera

hers a list I cut and pasted

anthrax
cholera
diphtheria
dysentery
influenza / sweating sickness
leprosy
malaria
measles / German measles

plague
scarlet fever / puerperal fever
smallpox
syphilis
tuberculosis (TB) / scrofula
typhoid fever
typhus / relapsing fever

Parasites like tape worm roundworm

Here's another cut & paste from here

http://rdparasites.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/richard-iii-of-england-and-worms-that.html

"King Richard III Had Worms




Remains identified as those of Richard III were recently discovered in Leicester, England. This in itself is an impressive piece of archaeology, but it gets more interesting for the parasite enthusiast: soil samples collected from beneath the pelvis of the remains contain eggs characteristic of the large intestinal roundworm: Ascaris lumbricoides, a worm that looks superficially like a large earthworm, and can grow to over a foot long. According to Roberts and Janovy, a female A. lumbricoides can produce 200,000 eggs a day.".



That Labour party stooge talks like it was only under the ' bosses' that people had it bad. Like before the industrial revolution they were all living in lovely quaint stone and thatched cottages living on organic fresh produce, no one was ever ill because of additives and all danced merrily around the may pole even when it wasn't May. They had lovely extended families and traditions and all sat around a rustic wooden table every night and spoke about the toils of the day.

chuck-spears

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Oct 29, 2014, 7:22:01 AM10/29/14
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Again you are confusing technological progress with Capitalism.
Capitalism could be said to have started in Europe when God realised he
was wrong and changed his mind on allowing Christians to charge interest
on loans. Technological progress accelerated as state education gave
most of the population a chance of studying the sciences instead of the
privileged few. The privileged few were the only people that got an
education through hundreds of years of Capitalism.
As for the climate in Ireland being too wet to grow certain crops this
account show that cops like corn was grown despite what you call a mini
ice age. It also underlines my point that the people starved not because
of a lack of food being available or some sort of religious genocide but
because of an almost religious belief that the free Capitalist market
should not be interfered with by government. That is also true of the
other two examples I gave of the Scottish Highlands and India.

http://www.usbornefamilytree.com/irishfoodexports.htm


Baldoni

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Oct 29, 2014, 11:02:07 AM10/29/14
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Lawrence Jenkins formulated on Tuesday :
Larry you are typing some very long replys lately, is everything OK old
boy ?


Baldoni

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Oct 29, 2014, 11:08:42 AM10/29/14
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chuck-spears laid this down on his screen :
Chuck did I ever tell you about the time a Man Utd fan shit his pants
and left them in the toilet cistern of The Bailey pub on the Holloway
Road ?


chuck-spears

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Oct 29, 2014, 11:24:18 AM10/29/14
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No but a friend of mind did exactly that, after farting and following
through. He put them in a cistern of a Douglas guest house that we
frequented to the early hours getting rat arsed during the TT fortnight.
It was no surprise, it was considered good practice to be very careful
when farting, for at least a week after returning home from that mission.

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 29, 2014, 11:33:28 AM10/29/14
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On
>
> Again you are confusing technological progress with Capitalism.
> Capitalism could be said to have started in Europe when God realised he
> was wrong and changed his mind on allowing Christians to charge interest
> on loans. Technological progress accelerated as state education gave
> most of the population a chance of studying the sciences instead of the
> privileged few. The privileged few were the only people that got an
> education through hundreds of years of Capitalism.
> As for the climate in Ireland being too wet to grow certain crops this
> account show that cops like corn was grown despite what you call a mini
> ice age. It also underlines my point that the people starved not because
> of a lack of food being available or some sort of religious genocide but
> because of an almost religious belief that the free Capitalist market
> should not be interfered with by government. That is also true of the
> other two examples I gave of the Scottish Highlands and India.
>
> http://www.usbornefamilytree.com/irishfoodexports.htm



Oh dear some people .

Okay straight from Wiki

"Irish Famine (1740-41)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Great Irish Famine (1740-1741))

.
See also: Great Famine (Ireland)

The Irish Famine of 1740-1741 (Irish: Bliain an Áir, meaning the Year of Slaughter) in the Kingdom of Ireland was perhaps of similar magnitude to the better-known Great Famine of 1845-1852. Unlike the famine of the 1840s, which was caused in part by an oomycete infection in the potato crop and, separately, extreme government regulations, that of 1740-41 was due to extremely cold and then rainy weather in successive years, resulting in a series of poor harvests. Mass starvation compounded a range of fatal diseases. The cold and its effects extended across Europe, and it is now seen to be the last serious cold period at the end of the Little Ice Age of about 1400-1800."



If you read this you'll see the Little Ice Age seen as the cause of the potato blight

Another link called the Little Ice Age and the potato famine

http://thelittleiceage.weebly.com/potato-famine.html

As for the cash crops what do you expect who would pay for those crops-that's just the way it was and it will happen again. Are you telling me that if it was the other way round that Ireland would have diverted those crops and who would have paid for them or would they have been confiscated and given to the starving English. Or how about Bono demand that all the Irish dairy produce is appropriated and given to famine areas of Africa.


All human history since the ice caps of the last ice age retreated has been brutal and its only since capitalism unleashed scientific technological progress that this tyranny of nature has been tamed.

Are you really failing to see the unprecedented tsunami of progress in all fields of science occurred once capitalism became fully established? How can you not see the two exponential growth line mirroring each other with incredible precision. Or was all this where you are concerned because of people joining the SWP

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 29, 2014, 11:35:39 AM10/29/14
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How did you know the shit streaked briefs belonged to a united fan?

chuck-spears

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Oct 29, 2014, 12:10:42 PM10/29/14
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I didn't dispute whether the potato blight took place, or what caused
it, I simply stated that there was more than enough food being produced
in Ireland, Scotland and India but that food was taken away and sold for
profit while people starved. The people that grew the food didn't make
the profit.
The very same thing may happen in Africa once again, as multi nationals
buy up huge areas of good farm land to produce food for the fatties in
the rich countries. If they have any sense the Africans will have
ensured that the deal included a guarantee that a certain amount of the
food remains in the country to feed their own people.

Baldoni

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Oct 29, 2014, 12:59:06 PM10/29/14
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chuck-spears pretended :
Haha it wasn't the same bloke was it LOL. One has to be careful when
out on a bender.


Baldoni

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Oct 29, 2014, 1:00:49 PM10/29/14
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Lawrence Jenkins has brought this to us :
They had the club badge all over said underwear but the landlord pieced
it all together anyway (the situation that is).


Baldoni

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Oct 29, 2014, 1:07:17 PM10/29/14
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chuck-spears wrote :
I went into this subject a few years ago on here as I was of the
opinion that it was cloning that caused the potato blight and that
grain etc was being exported out of Ireland at that time. Some joker
cross-posted the thread to the Celtic NG and this Irish guy who seemed
to have a lot of knowledge of the subject took me to task. He
practically wrote a 9000 word essay lol Saying that he might have been
full of bullshit but I didn't know as I did not know a great deal about
the subject and was unable to fire some statistics back at him.


Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 29, 2014, 2:18:21 PM10/29/14
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No you seemed to cast doubt on the importance of the Little Ice Age and the affect it had on social changes , it was said to have had and enormous impact on the French Revolution as the feudal farming methods in a country far larger than England rendered even more inefficient by the colder wetter summers that prevailed.

You also seem to say that Ireland has a great agricultural climate for edible crop production which it of course it does not-hence even now although out of the LIA period the country is mainly all grass dairy production.

Then you talk as if richer countries take the food from poorer countries. Well truth is that without the intellectual property and the technical knowhow most of these countries would never grow such crops . Zimbabwe is a great example. The white farmers were so efficient , so good that Zimbabwe was the only sub Saharan country that actually exported wheat now of course given back to the indigenous population all he irrigation and intellectual planning has been lost and the small holding not fertilising will exhaust the soil cut down more tree and then exhaust that soil eventually creating desert. I doubt that Mugabe even when Zimbabwe made cash from exports would have stopped that to feed his own people/supporters,



But again you whinge and moan about a past that was brutal and hard looking for some sort of revenge . Nowadays and over the last 200 years crop yields have exploded exponentially. For example in1932 from wiki

"In the 1930s, 24 percent of the American population worked in agriculture compared to 1.5 percent in 2002; in 1940, each farm worker supplied 11 consumers, whereas in 2002, each worker supplied 90 consumers"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_farming


And that's compared to one farm worker pre agricultural revolution barely feeding himself.

All you've been doing the last few days is whinging and whining about some events in the past when in reality under capitalism the population lives longer than ever before, are fed better than ever before. Even the developing countries have seen an increase in life expectancy of over 60% in 60 years . Yet you somehow dismiss these remarkable achievements and go on about a past that was littered and strewn with the dead due to malnutrition, poverty and no health care. You know in 1519 as the Tudors reign was underway in England the Spanish in the form of Cortez first contacted Montezuma II and for all of their hard brutal European lives they were stunned and shocked as the practice and level of human sacrifice from wiki

"Cortés describes similar events in his Letters:


They have a most horrid and abominable custom which truly ought to be punished and which until now we have seen in no other part, and this is that, whenever they wish to ask something of the idols, in order that their plea may find more acceptance, they take many girls and boys and even adults, and in the presence of these idols they open their chests while they are still alive and take out their hearts and entrails and burn them before the idols, offering the smoke as sacrifice. Some of us have seen this, and they say it is the most terrible and frightful thing they have ever witnessed.[52]"


It is said that two years before Montezuma encountered the Spanish he presided over a festival where account range from 20 -70 thousand children and adults (from other tribes of course) were sactrificed. This is only 300 years before the potato famine


Yes Chuck or whatever your real name is, life was just so tickity boo before capitalism

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 29, 2014, 2:25:50 PM10/29/14
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The famine was caused by the period of well documented colder weather from 1400 to 1800 known as the Little Ice Age, crops just lay wet and riddled with the fungus that thrived in these wet conditions that Chuck denies.

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 29, 2014, 2:27:55 PM10/29/14
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I don't believe you . you're just conducting a smear campaign.

Ron

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Oct 29, 2014, 2:55:52 PM10/29/14
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After serious thinking Lawrence Jenkins wrote :
You need to get to the bottom of this Larry

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 29, 2014, 2:57:26 PM10/29/14
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Personally Ron I thinks its just a selfish streak

Ron

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Oct 29, 2014, 2:57:33 PM10/29/14
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Baldoni formulated on Wednesday :
It could have been old shitty arse himself SAF

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 29, 2014, 3:03:56 PM10/29/14
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No wasn't him as this owner of Baldoni's pants was clearly prepared to turn the other cheek.

Paul Pot

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Oct 29, 2014, 5:05:14 PM10/29/14
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Baldoni explained :
I remember that one, old man. A friend of mine did similar and I
remember thinking at the time I hope he doesn't put them in the cistern
;)

It was in Langdale that after a night of boozing and much merriment
around the campfire, my hung-over mates decided to have a hearty
breakfast of barbequed steak with chilli sauce on their barm cakes.
Then, after a particular amusing incident, one lad had to head for the
shower/toilet block. His stunned face will live in my memory forever.

Lawrence Jenkins

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Oct 29, 2014, 5:36:59 PM10/29/14
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> shower/toilet block. .





Where upon he was sexually assaulted by a man dressed like a Parrot

Baldoni

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Oct 30, 2014, 12:45:55 PM10/30/14
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Paul Pot submitted this idea :
Yes I know the type of face you mean. I was in a club in Jersey CI
years ago and had to use my socks as toilet paper, my friend later fell
asleep on the toilet and was let out 09.00 next day when the cleaners
turned up.


Paul Pot

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Nov 2, 2014, 7:08:13 PM11/2/14
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Baldoni explained :
It's quality over quantity any day old man. Mr Potatohead is trying to
bore spears into submission with his crappy thesis.
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