Speaking for all the neutrals, Chelsea fans, and Liverpool fans
Graf Finklestein
have been a good day. Keeps things nice and close and still a four-
horse race going into the new year.
w.b
you were saying?
Manx Gunner
Everton certainly seems to have a habit of doing really stupid things to
give up goals / games. Bad coaching, bad players, or just coincidence?
RED DEVIL
wrote:
They gave up one really stupid one today and were cheated out of
another (he clearly intentionally handled before scoring). But no more
stupid than the penalty they gave us.
RED DEVIL
Manx Gunner
I thought you supposedly kill-filed me, Drivel?
Graf Finklestein
Yeah, I was saying...?
Random Thoughts
defy all the predictions of doom with gritty displays that will not fade
towards May. Chelsea third, but without the African Championship, who
knows... Fourth was going to Everton, but that display against Arsenal
makes me think that really they are not ready yet - it will be Liverpool.
Happy New Year one and all
RED DEVIL
wrote:
Arsenal and Liverpool all have to play at Old Trafford yet and we
have to play at Stamford Bridge. I think we'll just edge Chelsea out
with Liverpool third and Arsenal just edging out Everton.
RED DEVIL
Baldoni
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> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 06:41:32 GMT, Random Thoughts <Not.h...@sunny.boy>
I kind of disagree. I don't think Arsenal will fade. Dropping a
point or two here or there isn't fading but I fancy United to drop
fewer points. I think United will win it but I can't seperate Arsenal
or Chelsea for second spot. Liverpool will finish a distant fourth,
again.
RED DEVIL
I don't think Arsenal have the depth the other 3 have, if they succumb
to many injuries or have disciplinary problems they'll find it tough
to keep the pace.
RED DEVIL
Pope Pompous XVIII
Just under a month ago you were telling everybody they would succumb to
the cold weather up north.
Now it's injuries, or, if that fails, disciplinary problems. And no
doubt if Arsenal are still top in March you'll be praying their new
stadium collapses.
But of course you're only here to talk about the football. With
like-minded decent, upstanding fellow football fans, especially those
from the Everton and Spurs newsgroups. The fact that Everton and Spurs
are the local rivals of the two clubs you hate the most is purely a
coincidence and should not be construed as war by other means. You
have diplomacy down to an art form and were it not for the fact some
people can see right through you you'd probably be the all-time
favourite poster in these ngs.
Dickhead.
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> 0/10
But he wasn't trolling Baldoni. He never trolls. Trolls go into
killfiles and you can be sure RED DRIVEL isn't in anybody's killfile.
He cultivates friendships with decent football fans across the ngs you
see. That's why his knowledge of the game is second to none. It's why
everybody respects his opinion. It's why he's always moderate,
impartial and honest in his assessments. it's why he's never been
wrong. Not even once. Except a few weeks ago of course when he told
everybody Arsenal would implode during December because they had a few
tough games oop north. But that's just once. He's been in the
football newsgroups over 10 years. Being wrong just once is quite an
achievement woulkdn't you say?
Marvellous. I'm in awe of the big guy.
Baldoni
Thanks for the tip Pope I will keep it all in mind.
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Pope Pompous XVIII
Always always always resist the wiles, ruses and subterfuge of the
Freemasons Baldoni. They have as their father the Father of Lies
himself and they can't help but lie. In everything they do they
practise and promote falsehood to extend the kingdom of their father.
Resist them valiantly and you will have your reward in heaven. Well
done today by the way I had you down for a 2-0 win!
<+|80)
Baldoni
Do you think Drivel is a psychopath Pope ?
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Pope Pompous XVIII
No psychopaths never get invited to become Masons. Decent,
law-abiding, upstanding, church-going pillars of the community do. And
that's precisely what DRIVEL is: a decent, law-abiding, upstanding,
church-going pillar of the community. He's only here to talk football.
He hates trolls and he advises everybody in all the newsgroups to
killfile them so that he can once more lead the way with decent,
respectful, honest football debate.
Does that strike you as something a psychopath would get up to? of
course not!!!
Baldoni
lol
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> lol
bwehehehehe!!!
DRIVEL IS A TWAT!!!! How's that!???
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Newton Heath
>
> - Show quoted text -
Given Wenger's disciplinary record that's a fair enough opinion to
have.
We both agree Arsenal won't quite last the pace but for differing
reasons.
Can you really see Liverpool picking up 13 points more than Arsenal
between now and the end of the season?
SteveH
Hmmm, looking at the fixture list, it's going to be late March before
Arsenal lose a game.
I think they'll drop a couple of points at Man City in early Feb., but
between now and the end of March I can only see them dropping 4 points.
That'll make the game at OT hugely important, as they don't have all
that many challenging games in the 2nd half of the season.
Saturday, 2nd Feb. could be a very important day - with Arsenal away at
Man City and us away at Spurs.
22nd March is another crucial weekend - we should take our usual 3
points from Liverpool, with Arsenal away at Chelsea.
To be honest, I'm getting a bit nervy over this one, as, despite the
bravado, we would appear to have a more difficult run from now to the
end of the season.
It's going to be a lot tighter than you think - but it'll only be
between United and Arsenal, I think.
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> Arsenal and Liverpool all have to play at Old Trafford yet and we
> have to play at Stamford Bridge. I think we'll just edge Chelsea out
> with Liverpool third and Arsenal just edging out Everton.
>
> RED DEVIL
Haha, no.
Arsenal will beat you lot at OT.
I think Arsenal will win by 5-7 points. They've already survived
losses of Fabregas, RVP, Hleb and Gallas.
They've played their games in the cold, their games away, and their
games at tough teams, but as I see it they haven't imploded yet.
They're the real deal.
It'll be Arsenal first, Chelsea/United battling it for second and
unfortunately ourselves for fourth place - confirmed by our result at
City which was our worst result of the season (not Reading or the loss
to United at Anfield).
Google Beta User
> >I kind of disagree. I don't think Arsenal will fade. Dropping a
> >point or two here or there isn't fading but I fancy United to drop
> >fewer points. I think United will win it but I can't seperate Arsenal
> >or Chelsea for second spot. Liverpool will finish a distant fourth,
> >again.
>
> I don't think Arsenal have the depth the other 3 have,
Premiership games missed:
RVP 13
Gallas 7
Fabregas 5
Rosicky 5
Hleb 5
Rooney AND Tevez combined 12 (less than RVP)
Rio AND Vidic combined 5 (less than Gallas)
Ronaldo 5
Giggs 3
Arsenal seem to be weathering their injuries pretty well. What'd be
interesteing is to see Ronaldo knocked out for as long as RVP's been.
Graf Finklestein
>
> It'll be Arsenal first, Chelsea/United battling it for second and
> unfortunately ourselves for fourth place - confirmed by our result at
> City which was our worst result of the season (not Reading or the loss
> to United at Anfield).
????
Why do you think drawing with City at their place, given their home
record, was a worse result than the Reading one?
Google Beta User
wrote:
> > It'll be Arsenal first, Chelsea/United battling it for second and
> > unfortunately ourselves for fourth place - confirmed by our result at
> > City which was our worst result of the season (not Reading or the loss
> > to United at Anfield).
>
> ????
>
> Why do you think drawing with City at their place, given their home
> record, was a worse result than the Reading one?
Individually it doesn't look bad. However, it was a horrendous
result.
Because on the same weekend Manchester United lost.
It's bad enough that we need three different teams to drop points, but
if we can't get 3 to take an advantage when any
of the three drop points (which won't happen every weekend), then who
are we kidding?
Graf Finklestein
But if you'd won at Reading, like you should have, then the result at
City would have been viewed as a very good point, which it was - plus,
you'd still be three points better off than you are now.
Pope Pompous XVIII
> On Jan 1, 5:29 pm, RED DEVIL <REDDE...@xxxbellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think Arsenal have the depth the other 3 have,
> Premiership games missed:
> RVP 13
> Gallas 7
> Fabregas 5
> Rosicky 5
> Hleb 5
> Rooney AND Tevez combined 12 (less than RVP)
> Rio AND Vidic combined 5 (less than Gallas)
> Ronaldo 5
> Giggs 3
LOL! Quality!
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Baldoni
When will you people *ever* learn it does not work like that. It is
the games that pundits and forecasters class as *easy* that I fear
most.
>
> Saturday, 2nd Feb. could be a very important day - with Arsenal away at
> Man City and us away at Spurs.
>
> 22nd March is another crucial weekend - we should take our usual 3
> points from Liverpool, with Arsenal away at Chelsea.
You assumed you would beat West Ham and it did not work out for you
again
>
> To be honest, I'm getting a bit nervy over this one, as, despite the
> bravado, we would appear to have a more difficult run from now to the
> end of the season.
A bit nervy ffs, what the hell for ?
>
> It's going to be a lot tighter than you think - but it'll only be
> between United and Arsenal, I think.
And Chelsea ? They have their big players out but are still ticking
along.
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Pope Pompous XVIII
Don't forget Sir Alex's disciplinary record as well. It shouldn't be
too hard for you to forget of course - just a matter of hours ago he
was serving the second of a two-game touchline ban for using abusive
and insulting language towards a referee.
Baldoni
Alex bought his knighthood whereas Sean Connery his fellow countryman
would not stump up.
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Ian
news:mn.0d5b7d816...@mymessageidamoi.toto...
Classic post :-)
Pope Pompous XVIII
Don't forget Blair had a word in the Queen's ear to get the drunken
Jock his knighthood. That was after a few discreet donations were made
to New Labour which was the day after Manchester United made their
annual direct debit payment into Everton's account.
Newton Heath
>
> - Show quoted text -
What record is that. How many PL's he has won?
Just so you know, I'm actually referring to the amount of players sent
off under Wenger, not Wenger himself.
I would give you a big *WHOOSH* but as my explanation wasn't the best,
I'll let it go. But next time........
RED DEVIL
<wany...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 1, 4:16 pm, RED DEVIL <REDDE...@xxxbellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Arsenal and Liverpool all have to play at Old Trafford yet and we
>> have to play at Stamford Bridge. I think we'll just edge Chelsea out
>> with Liverpool third and Arsenal just edging out Everton.
>>
>> RED DEVIL
>
>Haha, no.
>
>Arsenal will beat you lot at OT.
>
>I think Arsenal will win by 5-7 points. They've already survived
>losses of Fabregas, RVP, Hleb and Gallas.
>
>They've played their games in the cold, their games away, and their
>games at tough teams, but as I see it they haven't imploded yet.
>
They dropped 7 points in December, you must try to keep up!
>They're the real deal.
>
So you keep saying
>It'll be Arsenal first, Chelsea/United battling it for second and
>unfortunately ourselves for fourth place - confirmed by our result at
>City which was our worst result of the season (not Reading or the loss
>to United at Anfield).
>
You'll be doing a vanishing act come May
RED DEVIL
RED DEVIL
They dropped 7 points in December, another month like that and they'll
be fighting for 4th spot
RED DEVIL
RED DEVIL
Very possibly, I think Liverpool have a deeper squad than Arsenal. I
can see the London team hitting another bad patch in the winter.
RED DEVIL
chuck-...@hotmail.co.uk
You are being predictable selective with the injury list. If injuries
matter so much count in Neville, Hargreeves, Saha and why combine
Rooney and Tevez. Why not Rooney and Saha?
Ian
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Because Saha is shit?
Baldoni
Is there much Cod to be had 100 miles SS/W of Greenland ?
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> If injuries matter so much count in Neville, Hargreeves, Saha and why combine
> Rooney and Tevez. Why not Rooney and Saha
I was somewhat comparing like for like.
Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
In any case my point was Arsenal have had their share of injuries, and
have coped pretty well for a team without depth.
SteveH
> On Jan 2, 1:17 pm, chuck-spe...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
> > If injuries matter so much count in Neville, Hargreeves, Saha and why
> > combine Rooney and Tevez. Why not Rooney and Saha
>
> I was somewhat comparing like for like.
>
> Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
Yes, when fit. If not better.
> In any case my point was Arsenal have had their share of injuries, and
> have coped pretty well for a team without depth.
Also missing from the injury list posted is our no. 1 'keeper, also the
'keeper who would arguably be no. 2 and pushing for no. 1 these days is
a long-term absentee.
Yes, Arsenal are doing well, however, they have been fortunate that
United had such a shocker of a start, with drawn and lost games where
they played the opposition off the park.
chuck-...@hotmail.co.uk
If Saha had been fit at the start off the season he'd have been
playing. He now looks like a player who's afraid to get injured.
Before all his injuries he was among the top scorers in the
Premiership. Don't forget we also had a striker who retired due to
injury.
Baldoni
> Google Beta User <wany...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 2, 1:17 pm, chuck-spe...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> If injuries matter so much count in Neville, Hargreeves, Saha and why
>>> combine Rooney and Tevez. Why not Rooney and Saha
>>
>> I was somewhat comparing like for like.
>>
>> Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
>
> Yes, when fit. If not better.
What a complete load of utter horseshit. I also remind you that you
were not very complimentary towards Saha last season when you referred
to him as a nigger.
>
>> In any case my point was Arsenal have had their share of injuries, and
>> have coped pretty well for a team without depth.
>
> Also missing from the injury list posted is our no. 1 'keeper, also the
> 'keeper who would arguably be no. 2 and pushing for no. 1 these days is
> a long-term absentee.
Do piss off with this tripe.
>
> Yes, Arsenal are doing well, however, they have been fortunate that
> United had such a shocker of a start, with drawn and lost games where
> they played the opposition off the park.
Well that is not our problem. You United fans are always crying about
injuries. We went the most of last season without our first choice
strikers. We once played the qualifying matches of the CL right up
until the final with a right sided midfielder as left back. Did we
complain no !
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He is a player who is scared of getting injured.
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> > In any case my point was Arsenal have had their share of injuries, and
> > have coped pretty well for a team without depth.
>
> If Saha had been fit at the start off the season he'd have been
> playing.
Over Tevez? Really?
Graf Finklestein
> Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, when fit. If not better.
LOL. Good one, although you're three months early, mate.
Graf Finklestein
>
> If Saha had been fit at the start off the season he'd have been
> playing.
Yeah, playing "Sit Your Arse On The Bench Foe An Hour And A Half"
along with the other reserves.
SteveH
> >> Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
> >
> > Yes, when fit. If not better.
>
> What a complete load of utter horseshit. I also remind you that you
> were not very complimentary towards Saha last season when you referred
> to him as a nigger.
The statistics agree with me - both signed in 2004 and have played
roughly the same number of games for current clubs.
RvP - 80 games / 26 goals.
Louis Saha - 81 games / 27 goals.
> >
> >> In any case my point was Arsenal have had their share of injuries, and
> >> have coped pretty well for a team without depth.
> >
> > Also missing from the injury list posted is our no. 1 'keeper, also the
> > 'keeper who would arguably be no. 2 and pushing for no. 1 these days is
> > a long-term absentee.
>
> Do piss off with this tripe.
Oh, it's tripe because it doesn't sit well with your 'United have been
lucky with injuries' bollocks?
> > Yes, Arsenal are doing well, however, they have been fortunate that
> > United had such a shocker of a start, with drawn and lost games where
> > they played the opposition off the park.
>
> Well that is not our problem. You United fans are always crying about
> injuries. We went the most of last season without our first choice
> strikers. We once played the qualifying matches of the CL right up
> until the final with a right sided midfielder as left back. Did we
> complain no !
And we won the league last season despite having most of our first
choice players on the injury list for a large part of the last third of
the season.
Obviously, injuries and young talent are exclusive to Arsenal these
days.
Perhaps if you thought about things for yourself, instead of believing
all the tabloid shite you're fed, you'd be able to make more accurate
and balanced comparisons.
Baldoni
For April Fools day indeed.
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SteveH
Baldoni
How about you getting off your arse and going to a match ?
I am saying that you always use injuries as some sort of crutch. All
football teams have players that are injured and Utd are no exception.
With the money Utd have been spending there should be someone able to
step in.
Fucking wankers
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Baldoni
> Graf Finklestein <graf_fin...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 2 Jan, 21:41, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>>> Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
>>>
>>> Yes, when fit. If not better.
>>
>> LOL. Good one, although you're three months early, mate.
>
> Check the stats before posting your bollocks.
What are you a fucking computer ? Shove the stats up your arse and go
and watch a game.
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SteveH
> > Perhaps if you thought about things for yourself, instead of believing
> > all the tabloid shite you're fed, you'd be able to make more accurate
> > and balanced comparisons.
>
> How about you getting off your arse and going to a match ?
That has nothing to do with this debate. Nice try at deflecting the
topic away from your usual bullshit, though.
> I am saying that you always use injuries as some sort of crutch. All
> football teams have players that are injured and Utd are no exception.
> With the money Utd have been spending there should be someone able to
> step in.
But we haven't been spending - we're a net selling club over the last
few seasons.
SteveH
> After serious thinking SteveH wrote :
> > Graf Finklestein <graf_fin...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2 Jan, 21:41, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
> >>> Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, when fit. If not better.
> >>
> >> LOL. Good one, although you're three months early, mate.
> >
> > Check the stats before posting your bollocks.
>
> What are you a fucking computer ?
I just know how to operate one.
> Shove the stats up your arse and go and watch a game.
Nice.
I take it you can't come up with a resonable counter-point, then?
Baldoni
>
>>> Perhaps if you thought about things for yourself, instead of believing
>>> all the tabloid shite you're fed, you'd be able to make more accurate
>>> and balanced comparisons.
>>
>> How about you getting off your arse and going to a match ?
>
> That has nothing to do with this debate. Nice try at deflecting the
> topic away from your usual bullshit, though.
>
>> I am saying that you always use injuries as some sort of crutch. All
>> football teams have players that are injured and Utd are no exception.
>> With the money Utd have been spending there should be someone able to
>> step in.
>
> But we haven't been spending - we're a net selling club over the last
Keep going please lol
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Baldoni
> Baldoni <baldo...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> After serious thinking SteveH wrote :
>>> Graf Finklestein <graf_fin...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2 Jan, 21:41, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>>>>> Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, when fit. If not better.
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Good one, although you're three months early, mate.
>>>
>>> Check the stats before posting your bollocks.
>>
>> What are you a fucking computer ?
>
> I just know how to operate one.
>
>> Shove the stats up your arse and go and watch a game.
>
> Nice.
>
> I take it you can't come up with a resonable counter-point, then?
Statistics are bunk and Saha and Van Persie are two very different
types of forward.
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SteveH
> > But we haven't been spending - we're a net selling club over the last
> > few seasons. lol
>
> Keep going please lol
Nah, it appears you've been defeated on this one.
I'll leave you to post some tired old personal flamings instead.
Unless you could surprise us all with some facts to support your tabloid
fuelled shite?
SteveH
> > I take it you can't come up with a resonable counter-point, then?
>
> Statistics are bunk and Saha and Van Persie are two very different
> types of forward.
Sorry, if we're not allowed to use that argument in defence of Rooney
not being the most prolific striker in the league, you can't use it in
defence of Van Persie.
Graf Finklestein
> Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 2 Jan, 21:41, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
> > > Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
>
> > > Yes, when fit. If not better.
>
> > LOL. Good one, although you're three months early, mate.
>
> Check the stats before posting your bollocks.
Oh, right. Stats. I forgot you get very anal about this kinda stuff.
Well, since it can be broken down so simply, then by your rationale
Marcus Bent of Wigan (7 league goals) is a better player than Wayne
Rooney (5 league goals).
Coz after all, the ststs prove it. LOL, fucking halfwit.
Graf Finklestein
>
> But we haven't been spending - we're a net selling club over the last
> few seasons.
Proof?
Baldoni
> Baldoni <baldo...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I take it you can't come up with a resonable counter-point, then?
>>
>> Statistics are bunk and Saha and Van Persie are two very different
>> types of forward.
>
> Sorry, if we're not allowed to use that argument in defence of Rooney
> not being the most prolific striker in the league, you can't use it in
> defence of Van Persie.
What the hell are you talking about. Who said anything about Rooney.
Why on earth would you not be allowed to use an argument to support
Rooney ?
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SteveH
I'm going to use the 'Baldoni' defence - 'They're different kinds of
striker'.
One statistical blip over half a season, however, doesn't prove
anything.
Total current club statistics are a much more accurate representation.
SteveH
Google is your friend, as this has been debated many, many times so far
this season.
Pope Pompous XVIII
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Graf Finklestein
> Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 2 Jan, 22:06, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
> > > Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > On 2 Jan, 21:41, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
> > > > > Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
>
> > > > > Yes, when fit. If not better.
>
> > > > LOL. Good one, although you're three months early, mate.
>
> > > Check the stats before posting your bollocks.
>
> > Oh, right. Stats. I forgot you get very anal about this kinda stuff.
>
> > Well, since it can be broken down so simply, then by your rationale
> > Marcus Bent of Wigan (7 league goals) is a better player than Wayne
> > Rooney (5 league goals).
>
> > Coz after all, the ststs prove it. LOL, fucking halfwit.
>
> I'm going to use the 'Baldoni' defence - 'They're different kinds of
> striker'.
So why did you use goals stats to compare Saha with RVP then? Either
football is so simplistic it can be broken down to who is the better
player by mere stats alone, as was your argument, or it isn't, as...
is.. now suddenly your argument too.
> One statistical blip over half a season, however, doesn't prove
> anything.
>
> Total current club statistics are a much more accurate representation.
And now suddenly they are a telling indicator after all.
I recognise this desperate Mancunian moving of goalposts.
Tell you what, rather than studying football by statistics and
spreadsheets, try watching a game and figuring out who the better
players are that way.
Graf Finklestein
> Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 2 Jan, 22:11, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>
> > > But we haven't been spending - we're a net selling club over the last
> > > few seasons.
>
> > Proof?
>
> Google is your friend, as this has been debated many, many times so far
> this season.
So you don't have any?
Thought not. Another Man U myth easily exposed.
Baldoni
> Graf Finklestein <graf_fin...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 2 Jan, 22:06, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>>> Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 2 Jan, 21:41, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>>>>> Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
>>>>> Yes, when fit. If not better.
>>>
>>>> LOL. Good one, although you're three months early, mate.
>>>
>>> Check the stats before posting your bollocks.
>>
>> Oh, right. Stats. I forgot you get very anal about this kinda stuff.
>>
>> Well, since it can be broken down so simply, then by your rationale
>> Marcus Bent of Wigan (7 league goals) is a better player than Wayne
>> Rooney (5 league goals).
>>
>> Coz after all, the ststs prove it. LOL, fucking halfwit.
>
> I'm going to use the 'Baldoni' defence - 'They're different kinds of
> striker'.
>
> One statistical blip over half a season, however, doesn't prove
> anything.
>
> Total current club statistics are a much more accurate representation.
I never said anything in "defence". You are making it up as you did
with the horseshit about the stats.
It is a little bit different to collating stats on motor cars, or even
Top Trumps Fast Cars.
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Baldoni
That is exactly what I have been trying to tell him.
I think there is some type of "chip" where his brain should be.
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SteveH
> > I'm going to use the 'Baldoni' defence - 'They're different kinds of
> > striker'.
>
> So why did you use goals stats to compare Saha with RVP then? Either
> football is so simplistic it can be broken down to who is the better
> player by mere stats alone, as was your argument, or it isn't, as...
> is.. now suddenly your argument too.
>
> > One statistical blip over half a season, however, doesn't prove
> > anything.
> >
> > Total current club statistics are a much more accurate representation.
>
> And now suddenly they are a telling indicator after all.
>
> I recognise this desperate Mancunian moving of goalposts.
>
> Tell you what, rather than studying football by statistics and
> spreadsheets, try watching a game and figuring out who the better
> players are that way.
Another one out of their depth when it comes to facts and figures, I
see.
RvP is no playmaker in the Rooney mould, so who is he more comparable
with?
Either strikers are measured purely on statistics, or they're assessed
according to their all-round contribution.
If it's to be claimed that RvP is 'better' than Saha, how is this being
measured? - the only solid and comparable measurement is strike rate -
which makes them equally as good as each other.
But, apparently, this isn't right, because they're 'different kinds of
striker'.
However.... if a United fan uses the 'different kind of striker' defence
when Rooney's strike-rate is analysed, then it's claimed that he's a
striker, so can only be assessed on goals scored.
As it happens, I'd pick a fit Saha over most strikers in the
Premiership, as he has consistently delivered over many years. He can be
a lazy cunt at times, but his strike rate speaks for itself.
Unfortunately, I think his injury problems will see him leave OT either
in January, or at the end of the season.
SteveH
SteveH
> > I'm going to use the 'Baldoni' defence - 'They're different kinds of
> > striker'.
> >
> > One statistical blip over half a season, however, doesn't prove
> > anything.
> >
> > Total current club statistics are a much more accurate representation.
>
> I never said anything in "defence". You are making it up as you did
> with the horseshit about the stats.
>
> It is a little bit different to collating stats on motor cars, or even
> Top Trumps Fast Cars.
Only when it suits your aims, eh?
Graf Finklestein
> Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I'm going to use the 'Baldoni' defence - 'They're different kinds of
> > > striker'.
>
> > So why did you use goals stats to compare Saha with RVP then? Either
> > football is so simplistic it can be broken down to who is the better
> > player by mere stats alone, as was your argument, or it isn't, as...
> > is.. now suddenly your argument too.
>
> > > One statistical blip over half a season, however, doesn't prove
> > > anything.
>
> > > Total current club statistics are a much more accurate representation.
>
> > And now suddenly they are a telling indicator after all.
>
> > I recognise this desperate Mancunian moving of goalposts.
>
> > Tell you what, rather than studying football by statistics and
> > spreadsheets, try watching a game and figuring out who the better
> > players are that way.
>
> Another one out of their depth when it comes to facts and figures, I
> see.
Said the bloke who couldn't understand the difference between net and
gross.
> RvP is no playmaker in the Rooney mould, so who is he more comparable
> with?
>
> Either strikers are measured purely on statistics, or they're assessed
> according to their all-round contribution.
>
> If it's to be claimed that RvP is 'better' than Saha, how is this being
> measured? - the only solid and comparable measurement is strike rate -
> which makes them equally as good as each other.
And as we've already seen with the Bent/Rooney anomaly, this is not an
accurate indicator. Mark Hateley scored the same number of goals for
England, and in fewer games, than Peter Beardsley. Ergo, Hateley was
a better player according to your way of evaluating players.
> But, apparently, this isn't right, because they're 'different kinds of
> striker'.
>
> However.... if a United fan uses the 'different kind of striker' defence
> when Rooney's strike-rate is analysed, then it's claimed that he's a
> striker, so can only be assessed on goals scored.
No mention was made of Rooney. You made a comment about Saha being
better than RVP, I retorted, and you then referred to the stats as
evidence to validate your case. Which they don't. All that Rooney
guff above is bollocks.
> As it happens, I'd pick a fit Saha over most strikers in the
> Premiership, as he has consistently delivered over many years. He can be
> a lazy cunt at times, but his strike rate speaks for itself.
I disagree, as I did to start. He's an above-avergae striker, but no
more than that. He's a reserve - a handy one to have (when he isn't
injured), but to compare him to RVP is similar to comparing Walcott to
Rooney.
> Unfortunately, I think his injury problems will see him leave OT either
> in January, or at the end of the season.
He'll be replaced and won't be missed in the slightest I'm sure.
Graf Finklestein
> Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 2 Jan, 22:23, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
> > > Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > On 2 Jan, 22:11, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>
> > > > > But we haven't been spending - we're a net selling club over the last
> > > > > few seasons.
>
> > > > Proof?
>
> > > Google is your friend, as this has been debated many, many times so far
> > > this season.
>
> > So you don't have any?
>
> > Thought not. Another Man U myth easily exposed.
>
> Seek and ye shall find.
You're the one making the claim. Can you back it up with any proof or
not?
Newton Heath
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:29:03 -0800 (PST), Newton Heath
>
>
>
>
>
> <newton.heat...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >On 1 Jan, 22:29, RED DEVIL <REDDE...@xxxbellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:21:46 -0800 (PST), Newton Heath
>
> >> <newton.heat...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >On 1 Jan, 21:16, RED DEVIL <REDDE...@xxxbellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 06:41:32 GMT, Random Thoughts <Not.h...@sunny.boy>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >For Me, United but only one or two points ahead of Arsenal, who will
> >> >> >defy all the predictions of doom with gritty displays that will not fade
> >> >> >towards May. Chelsea third, but without the African Championship, who
> >> >> >knows... Fourth was going to Everton, but that display against Arsenal
> >> >> >makes me think that really they are not ready yet - it will be Liverpool.
>
> >> >> >Happy New Year one and all
>
> >> >> Arsenal and Liverpool all have to play at Old Trafford yet and we
> >> >> have to play at Stamford Bridge. I think we'll just edge Chelsea out
> >> >> with Liverpool third and Arsenal just edging out Everton.
>
> >> >> RED DEVIL
>
> >> >I kind of disagree. I don't think Arsenal will fade. Dropping a
> >> >point or two here or there isn't fading but I fancy United to drop
> >> >fewer points. I think United will win it but I can't seperate Arsenal
> >> >or Chelsea for second spot. Liverpool will finish a distant fourth,
> >> >again.
>
> >> I don't think Arsenal have the depth the other 3 have, if they succumb
> >> to many injuries or have disciplinary problems they'll find it tough
> >> to keep the pace.
>
> >> RED DEVIL- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Given Wenger's disciplinary record that's a fair enough opinion to
> >have.
> >We both agree Arsenal won't quite last the pace but for differing
> >reasons.
> >Can you really see Liverpool picking up 13 points more than Arsenal
> >between now and the end of the season?
>
> Very possibly, I think Liverpool have a deeper squad than Arsenal. I
> can see the London team hitting another bad patch in the winter.
>
> RED DEVIL- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
After tonight what do you think?
I will accept 'funny as fuck' as an answer. LOL
Google Beta User
> > Proof?
>
> Google is your friend, as this has been debated many, many times so far
> this season.
Man U buys in reality are supposedly a miniscule percentage of the
newspaper prices, but for some reason their sales are the full actual
reported figure in the newspapers.
Graf Finklestein
Yeah, fucking funny that, innit?
SteveH
About as funny as the 'undisclosed fees' quoted by Arsenal to cover up
how much their African schoolboys are costing them.
Baldoni
?
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Graf Finklestein
> Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 2 Jan, 23:57, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 2, 5:23 pm, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>
> > > > > Proof?
>
> > > > Google is your friend, as this has been debated many, many times so far
> > > > this season.
>
> > > Man U buys in reality are supposedly a miniscule percentage of the
> > > newspaper prices, but for some reason their sales are the full actual
> > > reported figure in the newspapers.
>
> > Yeah, fucking funny that, innit?
>
> About as funny as the 'undisclosed fees' quoted by Arsenal to cover up
> how much their African schoolboys are costing them.
Well, I dunno if that's quite the reason for all the 'undisclosed
fees' (I have a sense it's more underhand than that), but Arsenal have
certainly been responsible for some very, very dodgy dealings where
young players are concerned.
Baldoni
> Graf Finklestein <graf_fin...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 2 Jan, 22:23, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>>> Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 2 Jan, 22:11, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>>>>> But we haven't been spending - we're a net selling club over the last
>>>>> few seasons.
>>>
>>>> Proof?
>>>
>>> Google is your friend, as this has been debated many, many times so far
>>> this season.
>>
>> So you don't have any?
>>
>> Thought not. Another Man U myth easily exposed.
>
> Seek and ye shall find.
I don't think you are the right person to be teaching the word.
You have a theory so present your evidence to back it up !
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Google Beta User
> > > Man U buys in reality are supposedly a miniscule percentage of the
> > > newspaper prices, but for some reason their sales are the full actual
> > > reported figure in the newspapers.
>
> > Yeah, fucking funny that, innit?
>
> About as funny as the 'undisclosed fees' quoted by Arsenal to cover up
> how much their African schoolboys are costing them.
Yes because "African schoolboys" are much more expensive than
established players that are stars in the Superliga or Bundesliga or
Ligue 1.
Baldoni
> Graf Finklestein <graf_fin...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 2 Jan, 23:57, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 2, 5:23 pm, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Proof?
>>>
>>>> Google is your friend, as this has been debated many, many times so far
>>>> this season.
>>>
>>> Man U buys in reality are supposedly a miniscule percentage of the
>>> newspaper prices, but for some reason their sales are the full actual
>>> reported figure in the newspapers.
>>
>> Yeah, fucking funny that, innit?
>
> About as funny as the 'undisclosed fees' quoted by Arsenal to cover up
> how much their African schoolboys are costing them.
You are heading towards dodgy ground. I would leave it at that if I
were you before you say you know what.
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Baldoni
Graf there was nothing more dodgy with the way Chelsea went about
luring Cashley Tweedy to the club. They fell foul of a similar thing
somewhere else.
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Baldoni
SteveH will think you are agreeing with him. :-)
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Baldoni
That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever read and it reflects
that you get all your information second hand through the press. Get
out of the garage and get to more games and have a conversation with
fellow fans.
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Baldoni
> Baldoni <baldo...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm going to use the 'Baldoni' defence - 'They're different kinds of
>>> striker'.
>>>
>>> One statistical blip over half a season, however, doesn't prove
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> Total current club statistics are a much more accurate representation.
>>
>> I never said anything in "defence". You are making it up as you did
>> with the horseshit about the stats.
>>
>> It is a little bit different to collating stats on motor cars, or even
>> Top Trumps Fast Cars.
>
> Only when it suits your aims, eh?
Try forming your own opinions and not that of the Utd consensus.
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Graf Finklestein
Yup, Chelsea got busted on the Cole affair, fair enough, and they were
rightly punished. And if the other thing you're referring to is the
Mikel thing - well, who knows what the fuck really went on there.
It's always gone on. Christ, I remember when that mad bastard Bates
got done for fiddling Kevin Wilson's tribunal transfer fee 20 years
ago.
But if you think we're the only one's bending the rules, you're either
naive or ignorant. Arsenal do have a terrible reputation regarding
the 'poaching' (other clubs' interpretations, not mine) of young
players.
Arsenal have pissed Barcalona off at least a couple of times. First
there was Fabregas, when Arsenal went behind the Barca's back to
negotiate terms with him and his representatives, and then refused to
pay Barca any compensation (although you were finally forced to after
appeal). Then you exploited the same loopholes to sign Fran Merida,
also from Barca. Add to this the controversies over Flamini, Lupoli,
et al...
The President of the French league branded Arsenal 'a disgrace' after
they exploited a legal loophole to sign Anelka way back when, and a
Sporting Lisbon director called Arsenal "a threat" after your club
signed Rui Fonte (I think I'm right in saying several appeals and
complaints were served with UEFA).
Ian
news:mn.15317d81b...@nomail.com...
> SteveH presented the following explanation :
>> Baldoni <baldo...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, when fit. If not better.
>>>
>>> were not very complimentary towards Saha last season when you referred
>>> to him as a nigger.
>>
>> The statistics agree with me - both signed in 2004 and have played
>> roughly the same number of games for current clubs.
>>
>> RvP - 80 games / 26 goals.
>>
>> Louis Saha - 81 games / 27 goals.
>>>>
>>>>> In any case my point was Arsenal have had their share of injuries, and
>>>>> have coped pretty well for a team without depth.
>>>>
>>>> Also missing from the injury list posted is our no. 1 'keeper, also the
>>>> 'keeper who would arguably be no. 2 and pushing for no. 1 these days is
>>>> a long-term absentee.
>>>
>>> Do piss off with this tripe.
>>
>> Oh, it's tripe because it doesn't sit well with your 'United have been
>> lucky with injuries' bollocks?
>>
>>>> Yes, Arsenal are doing well, however, they have been fortunate that
>>>> United had such a shocker of a start, with drawn and lost games where
>>>> they played the opposition off the park.
>>>
>>> Well that is not our problem. You United fans are always crying about
>>> injuries. We went the most of last season without our first choice
>>> strikers. We once played the qualifying matches of the CL right up
>>> until the final with a right sided midfielder as left back. Did we
>>> complain no !
>>
>> And we won the league last season despite having most of our first
>> choice players on the injury list for a large part of the last third of
>> the season.
>>
>> Obviously, injuries and young talent are exclusive to Arsenal these
>> days.
>>
>> Perhaps if you thought about things for yourself, instead of believing
>> all the tabloid shite you're fed, you'd be able to make more accurate
>> and balanced comparisons.
>
> How about you getting off your arse and going to a match ?
Racism is not welcome in football. We don't want his kind inside the
grounds.
Diablos Rojos
"Graf Finklestein" <graf_fin...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d83e0532-b344-44fc...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
I'll just post a quick response as it seems your post may have got lost as
non of the Arsenal lot who are mouthing off seem to have seen this post for
some strange reason.
Rach
So someone who makes one comment becomes a racist and shouldn't be
allowed inside football grounds? give me a break!
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Baldoni
That is correct and your sig is wrong.
SteveH should apologize for his offensive words. It was no slip of the
tongue, he took the trouble to type it out after aforethought and hit
the send button.
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Rach
> SteveH should apologize for his offensive words. It was no slip of the
> tongue, he took the trouble to type it out after aforethought and hit
> the send button.
>
Yeah and you did the same with the Yid situation, but the fact you
apologised makes that ok???
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> Baldoni wrote:
>
>> SteveH should apologize for his offensive words. It was no slip of the
>> tongue, he took the trouble to type it out after aforethought and hit the
>> send button.
>>
>
> Yeah and you did the same with the Yid situation, but the fact you apologised
> makes that ok???
>
> --
> Manchester United - Premier League Champions 2007-08
What Yid situation ?
I did no more than anyone else all things considered and there was
never any racist intent on my part just ignorance. I was chastised by
an older family member who is Jewish who explained the whole thing to
me and why people would find it offensive.
Please bear in mind that Spurs fans call themselves the "Yid Army".
And your sig is still incorrect BTW.
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RED DEVIL
<wany...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 2, 1:17 pm, chuck-spe...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
>> If injuries matter so much count in Neville, Hargreeves, Saha and why combine
>> Rooney and Tevez. Why not Rooney and Saha
>
>I was somewhat comparing like for like.
>
>Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
>
When fit and in form he's better than RVP's equal.
>In any case my point was Arsenal have had their share of injuries, and
>have coped pretty well for a team without depth.
They haven't had shit for injuries yet this season.
RED DEVIL
RED DEVIL
When you work out the salary's etc they end up being about the same.
Wenger pays his young signees a lot more than he'd have to pay young
English talent and his transfer budget icludes his squads wages.
That's the way he tempts them from big clubs all over Europe. A
different approach than most English clubs take. Not saying it's wrong
just different.
RED DEVIL
RED DEVIL
<graf_fin...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>On 2 Jan, 22:06, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>> Graf Finklestein <graf_finklest...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> > On 2 Jan, 21:41, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>> > > Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Saha's not a starter and he's hardly RVPs equal is he?
>>
>> > > Yes, when fit. If not better.
>>
>> > LOL. Good one, although you're three months early, mate.
>>
>> Check the stats before posting your bollocks.
>
>Oh, right. Stats. I forgot you get very anal about this kinda stuff.
>
>Well, since it can be broken down so simply, then by your rationale
>Marcus Bent of Wigan (7 league goals) is a better player than Wayne
>Rooney (5 league goals).
>
>Coz after all, the ststs prove it. LOL, fucking halfwit.
Or you could base it on stats that are more complete like the one that
shows Rooney scoring 46 times in 109 league starts?
RED DEVIL
RED DEVIL
<graf_fin...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>On 2 Jan, 22:11, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>>
>> But we haven't been spending - we're a net selling club over the last
>> few seasons.
>
>Proof?
Here....read this...
Glazers not the big spenders they appear to be
By David Bond
Telegraph 26/07/2007
Regardless of whether Manchester United eventually complete the
signing of Carlos Tevez from West Ham, the Premiership champions
have surprised English football this summer with their lavish spending
spree.
Casting off the first two years of caution under the ownership of the
Glazers, Sir Alex Ferguson has been brandishing the club's
chequebook with rare abandon, spending a total of £57.9 million on
three new players.
The apparently extravagant outlay - which could rise still further
when Tevez finally arrives at Old Trafford - has been possible
despite a decision to abandon plans last week to try to reduce their
costs by refinancing their mammoth £660m of borrowings.
Although it was only a year ago that the Glazers refinanced the loans
used to purchase the club in their controversial £790m
takeover in 2005, they had been in discussions with three banks, JP
Morgan, Deutsche Bank and the Royal Bank of Scotland, about a
new debt structure. Until two weeks ago, several plans were being
discussed including the issuing of a bond secured against future
ticket revenue. But any hopes of refinancing were scrapped amid fears
over rising interest rates and the jittery international
capital markets.
Yet despite being English football's most heavily indebted club,
United have embarked on a Roman Abramovich-style spending frenzy
since reclaiming the Premier League title from Chelsea in May.
Portuguese winger Nani was signed from Sporting Lisbon for a deal
worth up to £17.3m along with Brazil midfielder Anderson, signed from
Porto for a fee of as much as £20.4m. Next came Ferguson's
long-time transfer target Owen Hargreaves from Bayern Munich in a deal
worth up to £20.2m.
Meanwhile, the two-year loan deal for Tevez, which now looks set to be
settled by the High Court, could cost United up to £30m in
wages and fees to the player's third-party owners.
United say they have been able to splash the cash on new players this
summer because of the club's better than expected financial
performance over the last season. A club insider said United were
anticipating operating profits to almost double from their 2005-06
levels of £46.3m in 2006-07.
It is understood that the rise is not only down to increased prize
money and TV revenue from United's successful Premiership
campaign and run to the semi-finals of the Champions League. Last
season United took about £3m in match-day revenue from home games
at the 76,000-capacity Old Trafford - a staggering £87m for the 29
matches played there.
The new benefits from the £14m-per-year sponsorship deal with American
insurance giant AIG also boosted the club's coffers. And with
the Premier League's £2.7 billion media deal set to kick in from this
season, incomes and operating profits are set only to increase
further.
Football finance expert Dan Jones, a partner in the sports business
group at Deloitte, explained: "It's very difficult to spot a
weak link at the moment. It's not just a great club with a great
brand. They have a fantastic merchandising operation, the biggest
stadium in the country, they play in the richest and most successful
league, they have a young, exciting team and they are winning
titles again."
But United's summer spending may not be as impressive as it first
appears. They have so far only paid £16m for Nani and Anderson
with the rest dependent on appearances, goals and international caps.
The same is true of the deal for Hargreaves, which is worth an
initial fee of £16.8m to Bayern Munich. With the £5.5m United received
for the sale of Kieran Richardson to Sunderland and the £6m
fee expected for the sale of Gabriel Heinze, the net spend is reduced
to about £21m. (you can further reduce it by the sales of Rossi and
Smith plus the 12m we got for Obi Mikel) It looks even less
extravagant when one
considers the club's spending since the Glazers took over.
Apart from the £18m deal with Spurs for Michael Carrick (another
transfer which involved a much smaller up-front payment), the
Glazers have until this year made no major acquisitions. In fact they
are in the black thanks to the £11m sale of Ruud van
Nistelrooy to Real Madrid and the £12m they received in compensation
from Chelsea to settle the dispute over Nigerian midfielder
John Obi Mikel.
The Glazers arrived at Old Trafford promising Ferguson an annual
transfer kitty of £25m plus an extra £25m for a star player, but
the actual outlay has, until this summer, been zero.
Oliver Houston, from the Manchester United Supporters' Trust, said:
"We are delighted that fresh talent has been brought into the
squad but we are concerned about the way it is being financed.
"This is not the Glazers splashing the cash, this money is coming from
the club. Having won the league, they are making hay while
the sun shines by putting ticket prices up once again to help cover
the borrowings used to finance a takeover nobody wanted."
RED DEVIL
Google Beta User
> >In any case my point was Arsenal have had their share of injuries, and
> >have coped pretty well for a team without depth.
>
> They haven't had shit for injuries yet this season.
>
> RED DEVIL
Huh?
Google Beta User
> When you work out the salary's etc they end up being about the same.
> Wenger pays his young signees a lot more than he'd have to pay young
> English talent and his transfer budget icludes his squads wages.
> That's the way he tempts them from big clubs all over Europe. A
> different approach than most English clubs take. Not saying it's wrong
> just different.
>
> RED DEVIL
Is he really paying their unknown kids more than you lot are paying
Anderson, Nani, Rooney, etc?