Question
Bertuzzi44
Bert got the first penalty, making it 5 on 4. Kesler got the second,
making it 5 on 3. Salo gets the third and it remains 5 on 3.
VAN, T. BERTUZZI, 17:14 - Slashing
VAN, R. KESLER, 17:34 - Delay of game
VAN, S. SALO, 18:59 - Delay of game
My question is why did Kesler came out. Bertuzzi should have come out at
the 19:14 mark. But we should have been a man short until Salo's
penalty was done. How come Kesler stepped out of the box making it 6 on
5 (Goalie pulled)?
Bert
bob
wrote:
it was 6 on 4 when kesler came out, but you're right about the timing
i think... maybe they just sorta intentionally got away with one
because bertuzzi doesn't kill penalties... or maybe it was an
accident?
bob
Lone Locust of the Apocalypse
>I'm confused why Kesler came out of the box in the last minute of play.
>Bert got the first penalty, making it 5 on 4. Kesler got the second,
>making it 5 on 3. Salo gets the third and it remains 5 on 3.
>
>VAN, T. BERTUZZI, 17:14 - Slashing
>VAN, R. KESLER, 17:34 - Delay of game
>VAN, S. SALO, 18:59 - Delay of game
>
>My question is why did Kesler came out.
Here's my theory:
>Bertuzzi should have come out at the 19:14 mark.
No, because of the delayed penalty (3 minors on the clock), unless
there is a stoppage in play between 19:14 and 19:34, he is not
otherwise allowed to return to the ice until the Canucks are entitled
to have 4 men on the ice. That doesn't happen until Kesler's penalty
expires at 19:34.
If there is a stoppage between 19:14 and 19:34, then he is allowed
out of the box. The Canucks continue 5-on-3 (because there are
still two minors left on the clock) but Bert is now eligible to be
one of the 3.
The above two paragraphs I'm 99.9999% sure about.
>But we should have been a man short until Salo's penalty was done.
I think we were.
>How come Kesler stepped out of the box making it 6 on 5 (Goalie pulled)?
It was probably 6-on-3 and then 6-on-4 when Kesler stepped out at 19:34.
My theory on why Kesler came out before Bert is: once we reach 19:34
without a whistle, both Bert's and Kesler's penalties have expired.
The Canucks are now entitled to have 4 skaters because only Salo's
minor remains on the clock, so the rules probably give the team the
discretion to select who will return to the ice first in this
situation.
Lone Locust of the Apocalypse
>>VAN, T. BERTUZZI, 17:14 - Slashing
>>VAN, R. KESLER, 17:34 - Delay of game
>>VAN, S. SALO, 18:59 - Delay of game
>>
>>My question is why did Kesler came out.
>
>Here's my theory:
>
>>Bertuzzi should have come out at the 19:14 mark.
>
>No, because of the delayed penalty (3 minors on the clock), unless
>there is a stoppage in play between 19:14 and 19:34, he is not
>otherwise allowed to return to the ice until the Canucks are entitled
>to have 4 men on the ice. That doesn't happen until Kesler's penalty
>expires at 19:34.
Hmm, here's the relevant rule:
http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule32.html
32(b) and (c) would appear to say that *no one* is allowed out of the
penalty box until the next stoppage, period.
That sounds draconian, which I suppose you could argue is to discourage
teams from taking a 3rd minor with 2 already being served. But for
some reason I thought you're allowed to have 4 people on the ice
when the 2nd penalty expires even without a stoppage. I wonder if
this has changed. (I have a copy of the '93-'94 rulebook lying around
the houes somewhere but I can't find it easily.)
>>How come Kesler stepped out of the box making it 6 on 5 (Goalie pulled)?
>
>It was probably 6-on-3 and then 6-on-4 when Kesler stepped out at 19:34.
This I confirmed by re-watching the last 2 minutes on my TiVo --
it was 6-on-3, and Kesler came out at ~19:34 making it 6-on-4. But from
the above it looks like he wasn't supposed to.
Lone Locust of the Apocalypse
>http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule32.html
>
>32(b) and (c) would appear to say that *no one* is allowed out of the
>penalty box until the next stoppage, period.
>
>That sounds draconian, which I suppose you could argue is to discourage
>teams from taking a 3rd minor with 2 already being served. But for
>some reason I thought you're allowed to have 4 people on the ice
>when the 2nd penalty expires even without a stoppage. I wonder if
>this has changed. (I have a copy of the '93-'94 rulebook lying around
>the houes somewhere but I can't find it easily.)
Found it -- it's rule 33 in the '93-'94 edition but it is otherwise
word-for-word the same as what's on the web now.
However, my memory of the last time I remember seeing this happen
is that it was handled the same way. Oddly it also involved the
Canucks and it was several years ago at SJ. SJ had 3 penalties and
although I wouldn't swear to it, I think one of the SJ players was
allowed out when the 2nd minor expired.
The only way I can think of that this would make sense is if "more
than four players" includes the goalie.
Bertuzzi44
was the second man in. Thanks Lone.
Bert