"Kaner" straight up for LOU?

[ss_nucks]

http://www.theprovince.com/health/Blackhawks+could+trade+scandal+plagued+Kane/6647225/story.html

Thoughts?

[IL]

"ss_nucks" <undefin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.theprovince.com/health/Blackhawks+could+trade+scandal+plagued+Kane/6647225/story.html
>
> Thoughts?

In. A. Heart. Beat.

[dean]

...you Bastard!

....I didn;t click on the link and thought you were referring to the other
Kane....which would be Evander...nevermind a hearbeat, mine skipped a
few...ever since he layed that beating on Cooke a few years
ago....hmmm....shawiiinnnngggg!!!!

anyway....Patrick?....mmm, well...mmmm,....yeah I guess....he's a kid, has
some anger or whatever issues obviously, nothing some good quality strip
clubs out here on the wet coast couldn;t cure....huge talent obviously,
hopefully doesn;t croak from a coke/ectasy/oxycontin OD in the next little
bit...could be a nice addition to the team...the twins could take him for
lutefisk or a Sweedish meatball smorg, maybe calm the boy down a bit.......


....yeah...I'd do it....

[Keith Keller]

On 2012-05-19, ss_nucks <undefin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.theprovince.com/health/Blackhawks+could+trade+scandal+plagued+Kane/6647225/story.html
>
> Thoughts?

I can't think straight about it now; let me recover from my bender
first.

--keith

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[foamy]

"IL" wrote:

>> Thoughts?
>
>In. A. Heart. Beat.

What would take you so long ?

Hell ya !

We don't know if the speculation is accurate that Chicago might want
to move him. Assuming they do, we also don't know what they would
look for in return, or what teams would be willing to offer.

But going along with the dream, if they'd do a Luongo deal, that would
be the _only_ way the Canucks could get a legit player in return, and
not just a bum salary dump.

Gillis already is setting the table for his fear of pulling the trigger. We've
heard the same bullshit from the last 3 GMs in this town.

' Yes, I can see both Luongo and Schneid here next year. We won't make
a deal unless it makes sense. We won't make a deal just to make a deal.
Blah, fucking blah. '

Jim

[Tony M]

I'd rather see that woman beating asshole get hammered, and kill
himself in a car accident. Fuck Patrick Kane.

[Dutch]

ss_nucks wrote:
> http://www.theprovince.com/health/Blackhawks+could+trade+scandal+plagued+Kane/6647225/story.html
>
> Thoughts?
>
Why would they trade an elite goalie to an already dangerous western
conference opponent for an undisciplined kid?

[IL]

"foamy" <bomb...@wahs.ac> wrote in message
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That's just MG doing lawyer speak. Luongo will be gone.

Getting a 23 year old talent like Kane for Luongo is a pipe dream (no pun
intended - sorry Kaner)... BUT if MG can pull it off (maybe see if they'd
like a sure fire top 4 in Ballard too) I will kiss Baker. And you know you
want it Alan...

But I think a more level headed approach by the Hawks is probably how this
turns out:
http://tinyurl.com/83nth42

Or how about a three way (no pun intended - sorry Kaner):

Luongo and a re-signed Raymond to Chi for Kane
Kane and Ballard (or Edler if that's what it takes) to Preds for Weber

Sign Schultz and Garrison.

[IL]

"Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote in message
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Because he's not an elite goalie and the undisciplined kid is just that - a
kid. A very, very, very talented kid that's a Cup champion. Kids make
mistakes and you hope you can get through to him. Or Booth can introduce him
to Jesus Christ. Or a bear.

[Marsh]

On May 19, 12:58 pm, "IL" <m...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote in message

> mistakes and you hope you can get through to him. Or Booth can introduce him
> to Jesus Christ. Or a bear.

No one checked to see if the bear could skate. Damn you Booth.

I'd have liked to see Brad Marchand submarine the bear. Sign
CharaBear. Put him in front of the opposing goalie.

Kane isn't going anywhere. First of all he has a no movement clause
and no wish to play in Vancouver over Chicago AFAIK.
The Canucks are going to get more for Luongo than some people here
think, but no Patrick Kane. IMO.

Is there a net filter that killfiles all this off ice news crap?

Marsh

[Dutch]

Don't use Google Groups!

[Victor Wainer]

Tony M <tmok...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Subject: Re: "Kaner" straight up for LOU?
> From: Tony M <tmok...@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.sports.hockey.nhl.vanc-canucks

Amen. I wouldn't watch them any longer.

--
Victor Alejandro Wainer
(A.K.A. Alioscha)
http://www.volaverunt.net

[foamy]

Marsh wrote:

>Kane isn't going anywhere. First of all he has a no movement clause

His NMC doesn't kick in until the last year of his contract, in 2014/15.

>and no wish to play in Vancouver over Chicago AFAIK.

I don't know why, but he'd have no say in the matter.

>The Canucks are going to get more for Luongo than some people here
>think, but no Patrick Kane. IMO.

>Marsh

I don't think Chicago will deal him either, unless Wirtz, upper management
and the fans are calling for it.

I'm one of those here, I like to describe ourselves as the brilliant hockey
minds, who don't think Gillis will get much back if anything. It's a buyer
market and all the GMs who might be interested know Gillis has to get
rid of him.

But what he gets back, should be Gillis' last concern.

Jim

[foamy]

"IL" wrote:

>That's just MG doing lawyer speak. Luongo will be gone.

>But I think a more level headed approach by the Hawks is probably how this
>turns out:
>http://tinyurl.com/83nth42

I think so too, unless in the words of Burke, Nonis and Gillis, they get an
offer which blows their socks off.

I am sooooooooooo sick of the phrase ' a cry for help '.

The only cry for help the kid is making, is what most or all of us made at
that age--more hours in the day to party.

Jim

[foamy]

Victor Wainer <wrote:

>Tony M <tmok...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:44qfr7tkivqcat40j...@4ax.com:

>> I'd rather see that woman beating asshole get hammered, and kill
>> himself in a car accident. Fuck Patrick Kane.
>>
>>
>
>Amen. I wouldn't watch them any longer.

First of all there's been no allegation of him ' beating ' any woman.
Secondly, with respect to the ' choking ' allegation, I'll believe it
when I see a non-anonymous source, a police report or charges.
So far, and there isn't going to be any, zip.

Jim

[Tony M]

You're right, Jim. He's a fine, honourable young man, who only gets
charged for beating up elderly cab drivers. He's not a douchebag at
all.

[foamy]

Tony wrote:

>You're right, Jim. He's a fine, honourable young man, who only gets
>charged for beating up elderly cab drivers. He's not a douchebag at
>all.

Tony, if you want to deal with the cab driver, I'd be happy to.

First off, I never commented on his honour or character. My response
dealt strictly with the assertion he beat up a woman.

Jim

[IL]

"foamy" <bomb...@wahs.ac> wrote in message

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Kane already dealt with the cab driver. And I heard he had it coming...

I think if you can trade Luongo and get back KANE!?!? you do it.** As
quickly as humanly possible. The only reason you wouldn't would be
accusations of pedophilia. Anything less and you give him an A to wear just
so he feels welcome.

** I understand there's not a chance in hell it's going to happen.

[Marsh]

On May 19, 2:20 pm, bombel...@wahs.ac (foamy) wrote:

> Marsh wrote:
>
> >and no wish to play in Vancouver over Chicago AFAIK.
>
> I don't know why, but he'd have no say in the matter.

Can we say Jeff Carter and Columbus together?

>
> >The Canucks are going to get more for Luongo than some people here
> >think, but no Patrick Kane. IMO.
> >Marsh
>
> I don't think Chicago will deal him either, unless Wirtz, upper
management
> and the fans are calling for it.
>
> I'm one of those here, I like to describe ourselves as the
brilliant hockey
> minds,

Well, I can see your problem right there but....

>who don't think Gillis will get much back if anything.

He's still a good player. If Brian Campbell can find a home on a low
budget team, so can Luongo.
Apparently you didn't read the post where I explained reasonably how
much $$$$$$ having a good goaltender means to Toronto if they make the
playoffs. Or a marginal team for that matter.
And as long as there is a Paul Holmgren clone or like owner in the
league, even a bad goaltender can be paid big bucks.

I just don't see why you think the contract is such a burden. That's
a myth. Even if the Canucks have to absorb a player with a 5 million
dollar cap hit, it can be done.

http://capgeek.com/leaders.php?type=SALARY&position=-1&limit=50

31 players in the NHL make more than Luongo. The top 50 cap hit list
stops well before Luongo is reached and again, TO can afford him.
The longest contracts? http://capgeek.com/leaders.php?type=LENGTH.

Luongo's contract means nothing in 6 years when it drops to 3.2million
and then 1.6 and 1 million.

Marsh

[foamy]

Marsh <vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> >and no wish to play in Vancouver over Chicago AFAIK.
>>
>> I don't know why, but he'd have no say in the matter.
>
>Can we say Jeff Carter and Columbus together?

I don't know what this means Marsh.

>He's still a good player. If Brian Campbell can find a home on a low
>budget team, so can Luongo.

Whether Luongo is a good player and can find a home, is completely
immaterial as to the quality of what he might return. There's a limited
number of owners willing or able to take on his life-time, kabillion dollar
contract, and all GMs know Gillis is in a pickle. If his contract was 3
years at 5.3 mill across the board, you don't think there'd be a lot more
teams in the running and the price Gillis was asking would go up ?

From Chicago's perspective it was a salary, long contract, dump to lower
their cap hit. From Florida's, they needed a big cap hit to get above the
floor. Campbell is a hell of a D, and Chicago took back, who ? Oh ya, that
Olesz chap, who got into a half-dozen games with Chicago before being
sent to the AHL, and Chicago is paying him 3 mill per to stay there and be
removed from their cap hit.

>Apparently you didn't read the post where I explained reasonably how
>much $$$$$$ having a good goaltender means to Toronto if they make the
>playoffs. Or a marginal team for that matter.

I've said from the outset Toronto would be good fit for him, and Burke
will go after him. I think it's a slam dunk they would have made the playoffs
if they had him this year. But Burke ain't no fool, and he won't be giving
back any of his promising good young guys imo. I guess with Burke, it
depends upon how tenuous his position is if they don't make the playoffs
next season. Methinks they might pull the plug.

*POP QUIZ*

Toronto is comparable to the Rangers revenue-wise. Guess how much
moolah New York rakes in for each home game in the playoffs ?

Times up........ 5.6 mill per !

>And as long as there is a Paul Holmgren clone or like owner in the
>league, even a bad goaltender can be paid big bucks.

>I just don't see why you think the contract is such a burden. That's
>a myth. Even if the Canucks have to absorb a player with a 5 million
>dollar cap hit, it can be done.

It's not a myth at all. I don't understand why you think a 12 year 60
mill or whatever it was NMC contract isn't a problem. I'd bet the days
of the long term front-end loaded big contracts are over. They were
simply stupid. There's no way the Canucks would ' absorb ' Luongo's
contract given Schneid is in for a ig raise. Aside from the fact Schneid
would be gone like CoHo at his first opportunity, there' no way even
Gillis would tie up 9 mill or so at the goalie position.

>Luongo's contract means nothing in 6 years when it drops to 3.2million
>and then 1.6 and 1 million.
>Marsh

Of course it means nothing [ to the Canucks ] cause he'll be gone before
year one of those 6.

Jim

[Marsh]

On May 19, 10:09 pm, bombel...@wahs.ac (foamy) wrote:

> Marsh <vaughnmarshall2...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >and no wish to play in Vancouver over Chicago AFAIK.
>
> >> I don't know why, but he'd have no say in the matter.
>
> >Can we say Jeff Carter and Columbus together?
> I don't know what this means Marsh.

Simply that Carter didn't want to be in Columbus and it showed in his
play. There's no reason Kane, unlike Hamhuis and some others,
would be motivated to go to Vancouver or be the player he could be if
he was traded.

> It's not a myth at all. I don't understand why you think a 12 year
60
> mill or whatever it was NMC contract isn't a problem.

Except it is no longer a 12 year 64 million dollar deal. It's a 6
year 40million dollar contract in essence, with 4 low cost tidbits at
the end that he'll never collect as a retiree.
It's not out of line for comparable goaltenders. And its now a
limited NMC since Luongo is willing to move. If the Rangers make
5.6million per playoff game, the Canucks might make 5.
Last year the Canucks had 14 home games in the playoffs with Luongo as
the main goaltender . Ergo 70million, a pretty good return for a 10
million dollar salary.

The fact that he blows up every once in a while is a different story,
at least from a fans perspective and I totally agree with you that the
Canucks should go with Schneider..

>
> >Luongo's contract means nothing in 6 years when it drops to 3.2million
> >and then 1.6 and 1 million.
> >Marsh
>
> Of course it means nothing [ to the Canucks ] cause he'll be gone before
> year one of those 6.

Your point was that it means something negative to the buying team.
>
> Jim

[IL]

"Marsh" <vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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On May 19, 10:09 pm, bombel...@wahs.ac (foamy) wrote:
> Marsh <vaughnmarshall2...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >and no wish to play in Vancouver over Chicago AFAIK.
>
> >> I don't know why, but he'd have no say in the matter.
>
> >Can we say Jeff Carter and Columbus together?
> I don't know what this means Marsh.
Simply that Carter didn't want to be in Columbus and it showed in his
play. There's no reason Kane, unlike Hamhuis and some others,
would be motivated to go to Vancouver or be the player he could be if
he was traded.

I agree with your "it's not that bad of a contract"... but to say there's no
reason Kane would be motivated to play in Vancouver?? I'm going to go way
out on a limb and say that Columbus and Vancouver are on the opposite ends
of the desirability to play there spectrum.

[Hans S]

On May 20, 10:35 am, "IL" <m...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> "Marsh" <vaughnmarshall2...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

I wasn't predicting Kane would hate Vancouver. If he is traded out of
Chicago because he was viewed as a problem, he's not going to be happy
anywhere.
And if he has a problem, one would only want him long enough to trade
him to Columbus.

Personally, if we talk about Luongo for a minute, I hope he goes to
Tampa.
http://tinyurl.com/d4duzdb

The problem with Tampa is they have a whack of 7 million dollar guys
with NMC and a lot of budget fillers one doesn't want. They spent 60
million for a cap hit last year so they aren't a skid row team.

Tampa does have some decent prospects and the number 10 pick. A
package deal of Vancouver's 26th pick, Luongo and a decent player for
the number 10 pick, a good prospect and a mid range forward with
salary coming back sounds alright to me. The problem with Tampa is
they have a whack of 7 million dollar guys with NMC and a lot of
budget fillers one doesn't want. They spent 60 million for a cap hit
last year so they aren't a skid row team.
The Canucks get finally a puck moving defenceman in the draft: Or one
of the Russians could fall down to 10 though there's risk there as
well with the KHL.

9 Jacob Trouba, D, USNTDP (U-18)
SKINNY:
Offensively gifted with good size (6-2, 193), and willing to play
physically
10 Nick Ebert, D, Windsor (OHL)
SKINNY:
Offensive-minded blueliner with NHL size, improving physicality
11 Griffin Reinhart, D, Edmonton (WHL)
SKINNY:
Giant blueliner showing this season he's got an offensive upside
12 Cody Ceci, D, Ottawa (OHL)
SKINNY:
Big and skilled, can handle the puck well and can quarterback a power
play
14 Morgan Rielly, D, Moose Jaw (WHL)
SKINNY:
Elite skater always on the verge of making something happening in the
offensive zone

Marsh

[Alan Baker]

I'm sorry, IL.

Roberto Luongo IS an elite goalie.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[Alan Baker]

In article
<f663dad5-d38c-46dc...@n5g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>,

ss_nucks <undefin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.theprovince.com/health/Blackhawks+could+trade+scandal+plagued+Kane/
> 6647225/story.html
>
> Thoughts?

Hmmm...

A goalie that got the team into the SCPs as top seed for two seasons in
a row...

...versus a train-wreck.

[Kenji]

On May 20, 11:22 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <f663dad5-d38c-46dc-9637-e5877f58d...@n5g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  ss_nucks <undefined.hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >http://www.theprovince.com/health/Blackhawks+could+trade+scandal+plag...

> > 6647225/story.html
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> Hmmm...
>
> A goalie that got the team into the SCPs as top seed for two seasons in
> a row...
>
> ...versus a train-wreck.

A train wreck who is a ppg scorer and playermaker from the right side,
exactly what the Kesler-Booth line could use (not to mention a preview
of the USA Olympics second line). I very much dislike his public
image but I would hope that Gillis and his mind room could get him
straightened out, alternatively, Kane might spend his excess energy at
Brandis and be in a good humour most of the time. To get more scoring
punch and nine years younger for a player who has been superceded
(yes, still elite or kinda elite) is a good deal. Too good to hope
for, even.

[mad-dog]

I don't think Gillis would even consider him. "Character" is huge with him.

Wayne