Cloutier Car Accident??
monkey
Porsche?
Steven Fisher
wrote:
> Anyone hear anything about Cloutier and a car accident with his Black
> Porsche?
It's at moments like this when I understand why post office workers can
go on killing sprees. :)
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db
"monkey" <mon...@e.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone hear anything about Cloutier and a car accident with his Black
> Porsche?
>
>
No. What really happened was that Cloutier hired Jeff Gillooley to paint
his porch.
Big Time
incident.
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Steven Fisher
"Big Time" <bigtimegrizz-r...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, apparently Steve Moore is already planning on suing Bertuzzi over the
> incident.
Don't make a joke out of that -- Moore could have been killded!
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Colin
> Porsche?
could you go out in the middle of traffic and give me a call on your cell
phone, please?
meetz
> Anyone hear anything about Cloutier and a car accident with his Black
> Porsche?
>
>
What happened to your sled, monkey?
foamy
"Big Time" <bigtimegrizz-r...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Yes, apparently Steve Moore is already planning on suing Bertuzzi over the
>incident.
I almost hesitate to share what I was told this morning. A friend of mine was
talking with a firefighter friend of his and he was talking to a cop. Asked
him about this and the cop said it was true. The car wasn't Cloutier's though.
Cloutier and his friend were pissed, Cloutier wanted to take the car for a
spin, the friend said OK, and they got in the accident., and ran, but the
owner was spotted exiting the car from the passenger seat. The cops traced
the car to the owner's house, and told him he'd be charged if he didn't roll
over on the driver. He did, Cloutier, and once that's verified and the
investigation complete, charges will be laid. The press is sitting on the
story until then.
fwiw
Jim
rorytait
> I almost hesitate to share what I was told this morning. A friend of mine was
> talking with a firefighter friend of his and he was talking to a cop. Asked
> him about this and the cop said it was true. The car wasn't Cloutier's though.
> Cloutier and his friend were pissed, Cloutier wanted to take the car for a
> spin, the friend said OK, and they got in the accident., and ran, but the
> owner was spotted exiting the car from the passenger seat. The cops traced
> the car to the owner's house, and told him he'd be charged if he didn't roll
> over on the driver. He did, Cloutier, and once that's verified and the
> investigation complete, charges will be laid. The press is sitting on the
> story until then.
I want to believe, but I think the car was being driven by Tommy Lee
Jones and Will Smith.
C'mon Jim, you don't have to give us this "a friend talked to a fireman
and he talked to a cop" stuff... pick up your red phone and get the
scoop from the Mayor!
foamy
>I want to believe, but I think the car was being driven by Tommy Lee
>Jones and Will Smith.
>
>C'mon Jim, you don't have to give us this "a friend talked to a fireman
>and he talked to a cop" stuff... pick up your red phone and get the
>scoop from the Mayor!
I tried to get through, but no answer. It's a wall phone.
Jim
kim
Aw, Jim. I hope that's not true.
Kim
foamy
kim <kimonne...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Aw, Jim. I hope that's not true.
>
>Kim
Me too Kim. The one thing about this rumor which disturbs me, is
I haven't seen [ maybe I've missed it ] a single person involved in
the sport shoot it down. Everyone in the city has heard the rumor,
but not a single person, Cloutier, the team, radio, tv or print have
come out and said it's bs. It's like the cone of silence has descended
and the rumor doesn't exist. That I find strange.
Jim
kim
I haven't seen a thing either and only one article in the paper
regarding Cloutier's injury. I guess we'll find out eventually.
Kim
db
"foamy" <bomb...@wahs.ac> wrote in message
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My only question- why on earth would the press (especially this motley crew)
sit on any story this delicious?
Steven Fisher
wrote:
I thought it was bs at first. Still do. But it's persistent and nobody's
denied it yet, which is starting to be a bit troubling.
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Chris B
"ajh" <ajhen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <QSXsf.13151$6K2.107@edtnps90>, mon...@e.com says...
>> Anyone hear anything about Cloutier and a car accident with his Black
>> Porsche?
>>
>>
>>
> It has all been hushed up. If Lonnie tells you it did not happen, don't
> believe him. He has been a paid PR man for the Mcleans since 1993. A
> damned good one, too.
>
> HTH.
Maybe she was lost in thoughts of Jeff Brown and wasn't paying attention.
Dave Logan
kim wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:37:06 GMT, bomb...@wahs.ac (foamy) wrote:
>
> >In article <5039r1l8lojrtilb7...@4ax.com>,
> > kim <kimonne...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> >>Aw, Jim. I hope that's not true.
> >>
> >
> >I haven't seen [ maybe I've missed it ] a single person involved in
> >the sport shoot it down. Everyone in the city has heard the rumor,
> >but not a single person, Cloutier, the team, radio, tv or print have
> >come out and said it's bs. It's like the cone of silence has descended
> >and the rumor doesn't exist. That I find strange.
>
What do you hope isn't true?
The hit and run is true, right? Somebody did it.
Clue me in. Is it different if it was Cloutier, instead of a reporter
or a professor? Are you concerned the Canucks might lose a player or
concerned because it's tougher when you know the alleged perpetrator?
This is so different than the Heatley collision I really don't
understand your feeling. Not trying to be difficult. 'splain please.
Dave L.
kim
wrote:
Sure you are being difficult.
I like Cloutier. It would be easier if it was some drunken thief than
someone I have cheered for and seems to be a good person.
Kim
kim
Maybe the police aren't 100% yet and the press are concerned regarding
lawsuits. They just lost one (although the damages weren't that high)
involving Tony Robbins and his wife. IIRC The Sun implied that
Robbins took his new wife from her previous husband, but it was
established that the marriage was finished before they became
involved.
Although you are right in a sense. It does seem odd for them to have
this much restraint.
Kim
foamy
>My only question- why on earth would the press (especially this motley crew)
>sit on any story this delicious?
A good question, but I think perhaps for the same reason they don't report
suicides, or they don't have enough of the story to take the chance and
step out, or they don't print much on the private lives of the players they
become privy to, until after the fact. After all, it was only following Lonnie
spilling the beans here about Brown boinking Mrs. Mac, that the main-
stream press felt comfortable enough to pick up and report on it.
I have little respect for electronic media, they are far less independent
from the teams they cover, and principled than print. I believe they are
honorable people with their biases one way or another as we all do,
but are generally good people trying to do good things, and motivated
at an early age to be, in the most honorable sense of the word, journalists.
The question I ask db, is why have none come forward to discredit the
rumor ? Pro-player like chickeneck and combover should be the first
in line to decry it, but nada. Nonis should be out front and center, as
Burke was whenever the slightest rumor was directed at a player [ he
would lie of course, but at least he was out front lying ]. Why hasn't
Cloutier come forward, or the police absolving him ? It's not like they
are unaware of what has become a Vancouver rumor pandemic.
I dunno, it just gets curioser and curioser.
Jim
Dave Logan
> >
> >What do you hope isn't true?
> >
> >The hit and run is true, right? Somebody did it.
> >
> >Clue me in. Is it different if it was Cloutier, instead of a reporter
> >or a professor? Are you concerned the Canucks might lose a player or
> >concerned because it's tougher when you know the alleged perpetrator?
> >This is so different than the Heatley collision I really don't
> >understand your feeling. Not trying to be difficult. 'splain please.
>
> Sure you are being difficult.
I asked as tactfully as I could.
>
> I like Cloutier. It would be easier if it was some drunken thief than
> someone I have cheered for and seems to be a good person.
Well, the families of Stanley Wong and JP Larkin probably disagree.
"A provincial court judge adjourns the sentencing of a 26-year-old
Burnaby woman who pleaded guilty to a charge of criminal
negligence causing death in connection with a car accident that killed
23-year-old David Firenze of North Vancouver on the Trans-Canada
Highway on Jan. 20.
The judge held off sentencing until January so Jenny Arlene Woloshyn
could spend Christmas with her family before going to jail."
Jenny is probably not a drunken thief and the judge let her go home for
Christmas so she's probably been a decent citizen. Do you feel less
pained because you don't know her? Kim, I've had 2 co-workers jailed
for the same offences. We were guys who depended on each other for
safety on the rigs. But...they were guilty and I just
feel more disappointed in them than sorry for their situations.
Dave L
Monster
"ajh" <ajhen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <QSXsf.13151$6K2.107@edtnps90>, mon...@e.com says...
>> Porsche?
>>
>>
>>
> It has all been hushed up. If Lonnie tells you it did not happen, don't
> believe him. He has been a paid PR man for the Mcleans since 1993. A
> damned good one, too.
>
> HTH.
I can say this with absolute certainty without any fear of being corrected -
there is not now nor has there ever been in the past a poster by the name of
Andy J. Henderson in this group. Anyone saying otherwise is a fool and a
gullible believer of urban myths and legends.
Monster
Truthfully I have never heard of this rumour anywhere but in this group. For
the record, I don't believe it for a second. The rumour I would like Dave
Nonis and the Canucks to put to bed once and for all is the one about the
team having an NHL calibre starting goalie. That little chestnut's been out
there for years and much like Tom Cruise's heterosexuality, it's time to
admit it's a lie no one actually believes.
>
>
>
>
kim
wrote:
>
>
>> >
>> >What do you hope isn't true?
>> >
>> >The hit and run is true, right? Somebody did it.
>> >
>> >Clue me in. Is it different if it was Cloutier, instead of a reporter
>> >or a professor? Are you concerned the Canucks might lose a player or
>> >concerned because it's tougher when you know the alleged perpetrator?
>> >This is so different than the Heatley collision I really don't
>> >understand your feeling. Not trying to be difficult. 'splain please.
>>
>> Sure you are being difficult.
>
> I asked as tactfully as I could.
No matter how tactful anyone is, picking an argument is picking an
argument.
>> I like Cloutier. It would be easier if it was some drunken thief than
>> someone I have cheered for and seems to be a good person.
>
>Well, the families of Stanley Wong and JP Larkin probably disagree.
Considering we don't know yet and there has been no trial, much less
charges, I will defer my opinion as of yet.
Cloutier will remain seemingly a good person pending.
> "A provincial court judge adjourns the sentencing of a 26-year-old
>Burnaby woman who pleaded guilty to a charge of criminal
>negligence causing death in connection with a car accident that killed
>23-year-old David Firenze of North Vancouver on the Trans-Canada
>Highway on Jan. 20.
>The judge held off sentencing until January so Jenny Arlene Woloshyn
>could spend Christmas with her family before going to jail."
>
>Jenny is probably not a drunken thief and the judge let her go home for
>Christmas so she's probably been a decent citizen. Do you feel less
>pained because you don't know her?
What point are you trying to make? Was she drunk and left the scene?
Was it just an accident? What are the facts in this case?
To be honest, yes I feel less pained because I have no idea who she
is. I still feel pained for the victim's family.
>Kim, I've had 2 co-workers jailed
>for the same offences.
Killing people in cars? Drunk driving causing death?
>We were guys who depended on each other for
>safety on the rigs. But...they were guilty and I just
>feel more disappointed in them than sorry for their situations.
Okay.
If Cloutier was the driver then he deserves as much as the law will
accord to any one, regardless of his status as a "celebrity".
I won't go off on my rant regarding drunk drivers and idiots on the
road and how totally toothless the laws are, but if he did it, then he
should go and turn himself in and deal with the consequences.
Kim
kim
>
>"foamy" <bomb...@wahs.ac> wrote in message
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>> In article <dp280...@news2.newsguy.com>, "db" <d...@hdtv.com> wrote:
(snip)
>Truthfully I have never heard of this rumour anywhere but in this group. For
>the record, I don't believe it for a second. The rumour I would like Dave
>Nonis and the Canucks to put to bed once and for all is the one about the
>team having an NHL calibre starting goalie. That little chestnut's been out
>there for years and much like Tom Cruise's heterosexuality, it's time to
>admit it's a lie no one actually believes.
What? You don't think he's the father of Katie Holmes' baby?
Kim ;)
foamy
>What do you hope isn't true?
>
>The hit and run is true, right? Somebody did it.
>
>Clue me in. Is it different if it was Cloutier, instead of a reporter
>or a professor? Are you concerned the Canucks might lose a player or
>concerned because it's tougher when you know the alleged perpetrator?
>This is so different than the Heatley collision I really don't
>understand your feeling. Not trying to be difficult. 'splain please.
Oh phhfffffffftttt Dave, get a fucking grip. Like I would give more of a fuck
if the Canucks lost a player than the loss of the people who were killed ?
Like I give a fuck about Cloutier ? Hell, I'd volunteer to jump in front of
his car if it saved Canuck fans from having to ever see that pos again.
I hope it isn't true that an NHL player, a person looked up to, admired and a
role model for young kids wasn't involved. Not because he has any more
value or immunity that anyone else, but because of what message it could
send to the impressionable--it's cool to be rich, get pissed, drive expensive
cars at high speeds, and it was just bad luck.........
Yes, there's a ton of difference between Heatley, and whoever or whatever
was involved here. There were no drugs or alcohol involved in Heatley's
accident-- because of the hit and run nature here, I'm assuming there was.
I think I'm beginning to like this kinder and gentler foamy. I'm going out
and getting me some of those monk bells tomorrow.
Jim
feeniks©
Monster wrote:
> "foamy" <bomb...@wahs.ac> wrote in message
> news:ko2tf.210544$ki.127151@pd7tw2no...
> > In article <dp280...@news2.newsguy.com>, "db" <d...@hdtv.com> wrote:
> >>My only question- why on earth would the press (especially this motley
> >>crew)
> >>sit on any story this delicious?
> > The question I ask db, is why have none come forward to discredit the
> > rumor ? Pro-player like chickeneck and combover should be the first
> > in line to decry it, but nada. Nonis should be out front and center, as
> > Burke was whenever the slightest rumor was directed at a player [ he
> > would lie of course, but at least he was out front lying ]. Why hasn't
> > Cloutier come forward, or the police absolving him ? It's not like they
> > are unaware of what has become a Vancouver rumor pandemic.
> >
> > I dunno, it just gets curioser and curioser.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Truthfully I have never heard of this rumour anywhere but in this group. For
> the record, I don't believe it for a second. The rumour I would like Dave
> Nonis and the Canucks to put to bed once and for all is the one about the
> team having an NHL calibre starting goalie. That little chestnut's been out
> there for years and much like Tom Cruise's heterosexuality, it's time to
> admit it's a lie no one actually believes.
I agree with all three of you, and think the ole Sherlock Holmes adage
"The simplest conclusion is often the right one"...Or was that Spock?
Anyhoo... Logically, the press, who possess a shark-like ability to
smell blood in the water, couldn't be contained on this story for all
the tea in China, and we all know it.
So, why would they sit on it?
Why hasn't Nonis, or Cloutier, or Cloutier's attorney, spoken against
these allegations?
Who has read, or heard, of these rumors elsewhere than this newsgroup?
Mr Watson?
notgonnahappen
"feeniksŠ" <Die.Sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Who has read, or heard, of these rumors elsewhere than this newsgroup?
>
> Mr Watson?
>
I have seen this rumour in two other intenet sites that are just as credible
as this one, which is to say I have not seen anything remotley close to
proof, only "My sister's boyfreind's dentist's podiatrist's friend who is a
policeman said this......"
I find it very unlikely this has any truth to it at all.
Steven Fisher
"notgonnahappen" <bitemev...@yousuck.ca> wrote:
> I find it very unlikely this has any truth to it at all.
I wonder who made it up and who is pushing it so hard?
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Michael Scheltgen
> In article <mL3tf.210624$ki.142836@pd7tw2no>,
> "notgonnahappen" <bitemev...@yousuck.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>I find it very unlikely this has any truth to it at all.
>
>
> I wonder who made it up and who is pushing it so hard?
Is there anyway to trace the original posts on this matter?
Steven Fisher
Michael Scheltgen <mjs...@mail.usask.ca> wrote:
That only shows who's posting it here. You'd have to go to their door to
find out who told them. :)
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meetz
I knew that...notice the initials "HTH". Don't look like no Andy J to me.
notgonnahappen
can't be sure where. Whoop, here is a link from the 24th....
http://forum.canucks.com/viewtopic.php?t=103837&start=0
"Michael Scheltgen" <mjs...@mail.usask.ca> wrote in message
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meetz
> I think I'm beginning to like this kinder and gentler foamy. I'm going out
> and getting me some of those monkey balls tomorrow.
>
> Jim
Desperate situations require desperate solutions. Does this mean you're
gonna replace your last god-given orb with pseudo primate pellets? Jane
Goodall observed that chimps often greet one another with a kiss, hug,
or gentle hand touch.
Perhaps there's more to your decision than meets the eye.
Jackass
"feeniksŠ" <Die.Sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>[...] the ole Sherlock Holmes adage
> "The simplest conclusion is often the right one"...Or was that Spock?
That would be the rule of parsimony, otherwise known as Ockham's Razor, a
rule popularized by William of Occam, one of the most influential
philosophers of the 14th Century.
However, if Spock was born before 1285, then it should be called "Spock's
Razor".
Jackass
Jackass
"notgonnahappen" <bitemev...@yousuck.ca> wrote in message
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Paul is dead. Miss him. Miss him.
Wazza
"kim" <kimonne...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Sure he is. I'm just saying he wasn't in the room when she conceived.
>
> Kim ;)
Terrence Chan
wrote:
>In article <mL3tf.210624$ki.142836@pd7tw2no>,
> "notgonnahappen" <bitemev...@yousuck.ca> wrote:
>
>> I find it very unlikely this has any truth to it at all.
>
>I wonder who made it up and who is pushing it so hard?
I actually know the first person to have posted it to the group (on
the 19th). He was talking to me on MSN the night before. Of the
people who have re-posted it to the internet I trust my friend is the
one who was "closest" to the original source, even if not terribly
close.
I remain skeptical myself, however probably less than most simply
because I know the original poster. He's someone I've known for a
number of years and in that time I have not known him simply to make
things up. Now it's very possible that his source is completely full
of shit. But I do want to point out this has somewhat more
credibility than your average "some guy posting on the internet".
--
"The problem with unemployment is that the moment you wake up, you're on the job."
higgy
"foamy" <bomb...@wahs.ac> wrote
> I almost hesitate to share what I was told this morning. A friend of mine
> was
> talking with a firefighter friend of his and he was talking to a cop.
> Asked
> him about this and the cop said it was true. The car wasn't Cloutier's
> though.
> Cloutier and his friend were pissed, Cloutier wanted to take the car for a
> spin, the friend said OK, and they got in the accident., and ran, but the
> owner was spotted exiting the car from the passenger seat. The cops traced
> the car to the owner's house, and told him he'd be charged if he didn't
> roll
> over on the driver. He did, Cloutier, and once that's verified and the
> investigation complete, charges will be laid. The press is sitting on the
> story until then.
>
> fwiw
>
> Jim
If true, I wonder if there is a connection to his needing knee surgery.
joe
>
> Who has read, or heard, of these rumors elsewhere than this newsgroup?
>
Not me. Google News has nothing with the words "Dan Cloutier" other than
mundane stories about his injury. And it's not at all weird that we
haven't heard anything about it in the press, if there's indeed nothing
to it. Right now, Occam's Razor says it's bunk.
Joe
joe
> But I do want to point out this has somewhat more
> credibility than your average "some guy posting on the internet".
>
Au contraire. For most of the rest of us, it's "someone who knows
someone I sort of know, quasi-anonymously, from a hockey chatroom".
Nothing against you or your friend - neither of whom I have any a priori
reason to consider as any less trustworthy than I consider myself to
be - but really, this is precisely "some guy posting on the internet".
Joe
rorytait
listed on snopes.com:
The Stanely Cup was once left in a snowbank (true):
http://www.snopes.com/sports/hockey/stanley.htm
Elvis Stojko beat up Eric Lindros in a bar (false):
http://www.snopes.com/sports/hockey/lindros.asp
The sports index contains quite a few good nuggets:
http://www.snopes.com/sports/sports.asp
No mention of Kirk McLean, Jeff Brown and Mrs. Brown though -- perhaps
Lonnie should submit an article?
Rusty
them disobeys the organization can just refuse to grant interviews as
they have in the past
foamy
"higgy" <higg...@home.com> wrote:
>If true, I wonder if there is a connection to his needing knee surgery.
The unusual circumstances surrounding his injury lend an air
of legitimacy to the rumor. He tweaked his knee and was going
to be out for a while, no big deal, then all of a sudden a couple
weeks later following the hit and run he needs surgery and is
gone for the year ? If his injury was serious enough to require
surgery, you'd think that would be known the day after he injured
it and had an MRI.
Of course it could be coincidental and he wasn't involved in the
accident at all, but the way his ACL injury was handled does seem
strange to me.
Jim
feeniks©
Jackass wrote:
> "feeniks©" <Die.Sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
lol - yes, I am familiar with Occam's Razor... but I did mean Mr.
Spock, who said "if you eliminate the impossible whatever remains,
however improbable, must be the truth", which was a throwback to
Sherlock Holmes, who said the same thing...
Never underestimate my ability to geek out at any moment.
Dave Logan
kim wrote:
> On 29 Dec 2005 20:19:12 -0800, "Dave Logan" <dlogan_...@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> >What do you hope isn't true?
> >> >
> >> >The hit and run is true, right? Somebody did it.
> >> >
> >> >Clue me in. Is it different if it was Cloutier, instead of a reporter
> >> >or a professor? Are you concerned the Canucks might lose a player or
> >> >concerned because it's tougher when you know the alleged perpetrator?
> >> >This is so different than the Heatley collision I really don't
> >> >understand your feeling. Not trying to be difficult. 'splain please.
> >>
> >> Sure you are being difficult.
> >
> > I asked as tactfully as I could.
>
> No matter how tactful anyone is, picking an argument is picking an
> argument.
I asked a question. "Why" did you hope it wasn't true". Apparently
the answer
is that you admire(d) Cloutier (ie "tougher when you know the alleged
perpetrator").
That should have been the end of the story.
> >> I like Cloutier. It would be easier if it was some drunken thief than
> >> someone I have cheered for and seems to be a good person.
> >
> Cloutier will remain seemingly a good person pending.
>
> > "A provincial court judge adjourns the sentencing of a 26-year-old
> >Burnaby woman who pleaded guilty to a charge of criminal
> >negligence causing death in connection with a car accident that killed
> >23-year-old David Firenze of North Vancouver on the Trans-Canada
> >Highway on Jan. 20.
> >The judge held off sentencing until January so Jenny Arlene Woloshyn
> >could spend Christmas with her family before going to jail."
> >
> >Jenny is probably not a drunken thief and the judge let her go home for
> >Christmas so she's probably been a decent citizen. Do you feel less
> >pained because you don't know her?
>
> What point are you trying to make? Was she drunk and left the scene?
> Was it just an accident? What are the facts in this case?
Yes, drunk, driving wrong side of highway.
>
> To be honest, yes I feel less pained because I have no idea who she
> is. I still feel pained for the victim's family.
Well the first is what I was wondering. I feel differently -knowing
someone
is more impactful to me but I feel about the same if it was Cloutier or
a
drunken thief. No judgement -I'm checking my reactions against yours
and wondering about my perspective.
>
> >Kim, I've had 2 co-workers jailed
> >for the same offences.
>
> Killing people in cars? Drunk driving causing death?
Criminal negligence causing death was the charge I believe. Yes, car
collisions
>
> >We were guys who depended on each other for
> >safety on the rigs. But...they were guilty and I just
> >feel more disappointed in them than sorry for their situations.
>
> Okay.
>
> If Cloutier was the driver then he deserves as much as the law will
> accord to any one, regardless of his status as a "celebrity".
>
> I won't go off on my rant regarding drunk drivers and idiots on the
> road and how totally toothless the laws are, but if he did it, then he
> should go and turn himself in and deal with the consequences.
We agree on this absolutely. Let's just drop it. I know what you
meant.
>
> Kim
feeniks©
Rusty wrote:
> because the Canucks have the press in their hip pocket - if one of
> them disobeys the organization can just refuse to grant interviews as
> they have in the past
Begging your pardon, but the Canucks' pockets are not deep enough to
bury this kind of story, even if just a rumor. If they got even a small
whiff of this down in Colorado, don't think they'd be all over it. Cue
outraged Pierre Lacroix.
Until I see anyone formally charged, or named as a Possible Suspect, or
Investigative Lead, or Person of Interest I refuse to think that this
is anything but viral, and someone at the end of the chain is wanking
himself happily watching it grow.
Dave Logan
> if the Canucks lost a player than the loss of the people who were killed ?
C'mon Jim, you usually read accurately. My question asked whether why
it matters to you if it was specifically Cloutier. The impact on the
victims is a non-factor, being equal in both cases.
> I think I'm beginning to like this kinder and gentler foamy. I'm going out
> and getting me some of those monk bells tomorrow.
Shouldn't that be "monk balls"?
Dave L
foamy
>> Oh phhfffffffftttt Dave, get a fucking grip. Like I would give more of a fuck
>> if the Canucks lost a player than the loss of the people who were killed ?
>
>C'mon Jim, you usually read accurately. My question asked whether why
>it matters to you if it was specifically Cloutier. The impact on the
>victims is a non-factor, being equal in both cases.
Yes it matters more to me if it was Cloutier than Joe Schmoe, but not because
I have any attachment to him, or would care if the Canucks lost him to Bubba
on cell block 9.
I care about the affects criminal or stupid acts have upon the young when
committed by individuals who are famous, admired, respected and / or
serving as a role models. Famous people have a greater potential to
negatively influence than unknown individuals. That's all I meant by
saying ' me too ', to the hope Cloutier didn't do it.
>> I think I'm beginning to like this kinder and gentler foamy. I'm going out
>> and getting me some of those monk bells tomorrow.
>
>Shouldn't that be "monk balls"?
Monk ball, singular. :-)
Jim
kim
wrote:
>
>kim wrote:
>> On 29 Dec 2005 20:19:12 -0800, "Dave Logan" <dlogan_...@yahoo.ca>
>> wrote:
(snip)
>> > "A provincial court judge adjourns the sentencing of a 26-year-old
>> >Burnaby woman who pleaded guilty to a charge of criminal
>> >negligence causing death in connection with a car accident that killed
>> >23-year-old David Firenze of North Vancouver on the Trans-Canada
>> >Highway on Jan. 20.
>> >The judge held off sentencing until January so Jenny Arlene Woloshyn
>> >could spend Christmas with her family before going to jail."
>> >
>> >Jenny is probably not a drunken thief and the judge let her go home for
>> >Christmas so she's probably been a decent citizen. Do you feel less
>> >pained because you don't know her?
>>
>> What point are you trying to make? Was she drunk and left the scene?
>> Was it just an accident? What are the facts in this case?
>
>Yes, drunk, driving wrong side of highway.
Ooooo. And she went home for Christmas? Must resist urge to bitch
about laws and judges.
*koff*
>> To be honest, yes I feel less pained because I have no idea who she
>> is. I still feel pained for the victim's family.
>
>Well the first is what I was wondering. I feel differently -knowing
>someone is more impactful to me but I feel about the same if it was Cloutier or
>a drunken thief. No judgement -I'm checking my reactions against yours
>and wondering about my perspective.
Why? We are all different. It's fun that way. Makes for better
discussions.
>> >Kim, I've had 2 co-workers jailed
>> >for the same offences.
>>
>> Killing people in cars? Drunk driving causing death?
>
>Criminal negligence causing death was the charge I believe. Yes, car
>collisions
Bad stuff happens. I get to go get my husband in Seattle tonight and
if we get into an accident, it would be much easier to accept
"negligence" rather than "impaired driving" because human error is a
fact of life, at least imho.
Without knowing all the facts, I would feel bad for both your friends
AND the families involved because we are all negligent to some extent
(how many of us have been though close calls) and for that split
second lives have changed.
If that makes sense. Hard to describe.
>> >We were guys who depended on each other for
>> >safety on the rigs. But...they were guilty and I just
>> >feel more disappointed in them than sorry for their situations.
>>
>> Okay.
>>
>> If Cloutier was the driver then he deserves as much as the law will
>> accord to any one, regardless of his status as a "celebrity".
>>
>> I won't go off on my rant regarding drunk drivers and idiots on the
>> road and how totally toothless the laws are, but if he did it, then he
>> should go and turn himself in and deal with the consequences.
>
>We agree on this absolutely. Let's just drop it. I know what you
>meant.
Cool, then.
Kim
Jackass
> (snip)
>>> > "A provincial court judge adjourns the sentencing of a 26-year-old
>>> >Burnaby woman who pleaded guilty to a charge of criminal
>>> >negligence causing death in connection with a car accident that killed
>>> >23-year-old David Firenze of North Vancouver on the Trans-Canada
>>> >Highway on Jan. 20.
>>> >The judge held off sentencing until January so Jenny Arlene Woloshyn
>>> >could spend Christmas with her family before going to jail."
[...]
> Ooooo. And she went home for Christmas? Must resist urge to bitch
> about laws and judges.
And, of course, special treatment for women, a practice that permeates our
legal system...
koff, koff
Monster
"Rusty" <rust...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> because the Canucks have the press in their hip pocket - if one of
> them disobeys the organization can just refuse to grant interviews as
> they have in the past
Uhh, yeah - in their hip pocket. A guy like Pratt gets wind of this and
there's no way he'd report it. 1040 is owned by the Canucks - they'd never
report anything without getting the go ahead from Orca Bay first. And Dan
Russell too - we all know it's just one whitewashed team friendly report
after another with that guy. He'd never go against the grain.
Seriously boys and girls - rumours and gossip are best left to the elderly
and feeble minded. No offense intended on either count, Jim.
Monster
"feeniksŠ" <Die.Sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Amen Sister
>
Monster
> In article <8idtf.101510$2k.96981@pd7tw1no>,
> "higgy" <higg...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>>If true, I wonder if there is a connection to his needing knee surgery.
>
> The unusual circumstances surrounding his injury lend an air
> of legitimacy to the rumor. He tweaked his knee and was going
> to be out for a while, no big deal, then all of a sudden a couple
> weeks later following the hit and run he needs surgery and is
> gone for the year ? If his injury was serious enough to require
> surgery, you'd think that would be known the day after he injured
> it and had an MRI.
I don't see were his injury was suspicious at all - or how it lends any
credence to any of this. He was hurt on Nov 20th, when he was run by
Neideymier. The hit and run was on Nov. 11th. The Police announced they had
found the owner of the SUV on November 15th. Cloutiers injury wasn't a
complete tear, but because of the position he plays it was deemed necessary
to operate. This decision was made on December 13th. I can't for the life of
me see how any of this is connected. Until such time as the Vancouver Police
announce it was Cloutiers SUV I can;t see how any rational person could draw
a line connecting him to it.
Bob in Kits
"Monster" <i'mn...@home.com> wrote in message
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Bob in Kits
meetz
Eh? What's that, sonny? Ya know, my cousin Clem tells me that Girtie,
his aunt heard that McLean's wife got....zzzzzzzzzzz!
dean 1
> In article <dp280...@news2.newsguy.com>, "db" <d...@hdtv.com> wrote:
>
>>crew)
>>sit on any story this delicious?
>
> suicides, or they don't have enough of the story to take the chance and
> step out, or they don't print much on the private lives of the players
> they
> become privy to, until after the fact. After all, it was only following
> Lonnie
> spilling the beans here about Brown boinking Mrs. Mac, that the main-
> stream press felt comfortable enough to pick up and report on it.
Aww...I thought Brown didn't boink Mrs Mac? Or is that what your saying?
> The question I ask db, is why have none come forward to discredit the
> rumor ?
Perhaps they feel by commenting on it somehow lends credibility to the
rumour? Maybe it's viewed as too outrageous to warrant any kind of response
by Clouts or the Canucks?
dean
>
> I have little respect for electronic media, they are far less independent
> from the teams they cover, and principled than print. I believe they are
> honorable people with their biases one way or another as we all do,
> but are generally good people trying to do good things, and motivated
> at an early age to be, in the most honorable sense of the word,
> journalists.
>
Pro-player like chickeneck and combover should be the first
> in line to decry it, but nada. Nonis should be out front and center, as
> Burke was whenever the slightest rumor was directed at a player [ he
> would lie of course, but at least he was out front lying ]. Why hasn't
> Cloutier come forward, or the police absolving him ? It's not like they
> are unaware of what has become a Vancouver rumor pandemic.
>
> I dunno, it just gets curioser and curioser.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
feeniks©
> > rational person could draw a line connecting him to it.
> >
> So, for the record, you think we're rational?
>
> Bob in Kits
Good point.
foamy
Monster" <i'mn...@home.com> wrote:
>I don't see were his injury was suspicious at all - or how it lends any
>credence to any of this. He was hurt on Nov 20th, when he was run by
>Neideymier. The hit and run was on Nov. 11th. The Police announced they had
>found the owner of the SUV on November 15th. Cloutiers injury wasn't a
>complete tear, but because of the position he plays it was deemed necessary
>to operate. This decision was made on December 13th. I can't for the life of
>me see how any of this is connected. Until such time as the Vancouver Police
>announce it was Cloutiers SUV I can;t see how any rational person could draw
>a line connecting him to it.
The way his injury was handled was strange to me, even before I
heard the rumor.
Why wait 3 weeks to decide to operate when all the info they had when
they made the decision, they had 3 weeks earlier ?
I would have thought they would have operated as early as possible
in order to give him a shot to return for the playoffs.
Jim
Joshua Eades
Is it possible that the severity of the injury does not always reveal itself
until a little while after the actual injury, due to swelling, scar tissue,
etc?
Josh
foamy
"Joshua Eades" <get...@getlost.com> wrote:
>Is it possible that the severity of the injury does not always reveal itself
>until a little while after the actual injury, due to swelling, scar tissue,
>etc?
I'm not a doctor dammit ! I only play one on the newsgroup. :-)
I talked to a friend who tore his ACL and he said the doctor knew
the extent of the injury as soon as the pictures came in, but they
waited for the swelling to come down before they operated.
I was thinking about Pavel's injuries, and I can't recall any delays
before they knew he had to go under the knife.
But ? You might be right Josh, it just struck me as strange.
Jim
Josh Pfrimmer
foamy wrote:
>>Is it possible that the severity of the injury does not always reveal itself
>>until a little while after the actual injury, due to swelling, scar tissue,
>>etc?
> I talked to a friend who tore his ACL and he said the doctor knew
> the extent of the injury as soon as the pictures came in, but they
> waited for the swelling to come down before they operated.
I've got a friend who currently has a 25% tear in his ACL.. torn during
an ultimate game. He played out the rest of the game, in a little
discomfort, and returned to play another couple of times over the next 2
weeks, before finally deciding that it wasn't getting any better by
itself. He's now in rehab, and projected to get 90-95% of the strength
back in it. But I can see how the exact same injury in Cloutier would
warrant surgery.
JP
foamy
Josh Pfrimmer <us...@example.net> wrote:
>I've got a friend who currently has a 25% tear in his ACL.. torn during
>an ultimate game. He played out the rest of the game, in a little
>discomfort, and returned to play another couple of times over the next 2
>weeks, before finally deciding that it wasn't getting any better by
>itself. He's now in rehab, and projected to get 90-95% of the strength
>back in it. But I can see how the exact same injury in Cloutier would
>warrant surgery.
It's a strange injury. My pal said there's no real pain to it, just
instability. He'd be walking along, move a certain way, and
bam, he'd be sitting on his ass.
I believe it was in Florida when Pavel did his again, he wanted to
play out the year in a brace.
Jim 11
foamy 2 [ foamy 1 has not been outed yet ]
Josh Pfrimmer
foamy wrote:
> It's a strange injury. My pal said there's no real pain to it, just
> instability. He'd be walking along, move a certain way, and
> bam, he'd be sitting on his ass.
But a partial tear, I think, does have some pain. My buddy observed a
little of that instability, but also reported some marked discomfort
walking up stairs and stopping suddenly from a run.
> Jim 11
> foamy 2
Wow, you're really beating yourself. Got a light?
foamy
Josh Pfrimmer <us...@example.net> wrote:
>But a partial tear, I think, does have some pain. My buddy observed a
>little of that instability, but also reported some marked discomfort
>walking up stairs and stopping suddenly from a run.
Yep, my friends was complete. I can imagine why a partial tear like
your friends would be painful if any stress was put on his knee.
>> Jim 11
>> foamy 2
>
>Wow, you're really beating yourself. Got a light?
lol, good one. :-)
Jim
monkey
http://www.canada.com/vancouver/story.html?id=69e05b68-3399-4ec9-b4c1-474ce154f8f6
"monkey" <mon...@e.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone hear anything about Cloutier and a car accident with his Black
> Porsche?
>
>
VanCanFan
juicy story like this, absolutely no way!
bob
>In article
><7c8b4149445d16c3...@localhost.talkaboutsportsnetwork.com>,
>tenns...@yahoo.com says...
>> This story cant be true, and there is not a chance the media would sit on a
>> juicy story like this, absolutely no way!
>>
>>
>Maybe they're just slow to react?
ha!
bob
Steven Fisher
<7c8b4149445d16c3...@localhost.talkaboutsportsnetwork.com>,
"VanCanFan" <tenns...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This story cant be true, and there is not a chance the media would sit on a
> juicy story like this, absolutely no way!
I agree it isn't true, but I am not the slightest bit convinced the
mainstream media prioritizes effort to put into stories based on how
juicy the story is. Rather, it needs to be juicy, appealing and
inoffensive (to both the public and the owners of the media).
--
Steven Fisher; sdfi...@spamcop.net
Monster
"Steven Fisher" <sdfi...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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inoffensive ? The media ? Do you not get the Province in your neck o' the
woods ?
Steven Fisher
"Monster" <i'mn...@home.com> wrote:
I probably should have said "to most of the public," but I'll admit I
haven't bothered with the Province in years. A few years ago I hit my
lifetime quota for little sidebar blurbs about cats stuck in trees
beside hard-hitting stories written with such spin that I had to turn
the paper upside down to read it.
--
Steven Fisher; sdfi...@spamcop.net
bob
wrote:
just curious, does this actually accomplish anything? it seems like it
could be a good idea...
bob
Steven Fisher
bob <b...@home.com> wrote:
> just curious, does this actually accomplish anything? it seems like it
> could be a good idea...
Spamcop's email service filters based on a number of criteria and block
lists. It's pretty configurable; the way I have it set, not much spam
gets through. It also lets me report particularly obnoxious spam fairly
quickly.
I got it a few years ago when my work email account started getting
flooded with spam. I'm still quite happy with it, but I suspect now that
I do *most* of what I want with my work email (we finally gave up and
started paying for hosting).
Every year when it comes time to renew, I look at the price and say "Do
I really need it anymore?" And every time I justify it by thinking how
many hundreds (thousands?) of pieces of spam it blocked.
So, bottom line, it seems to work really well and I'm quite happy with
Nevah mind
Steven Fisher <sdfi...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> I agree it isn't true, but I am not the slightest bit convinced the
> mainstream media prioritizes effort to put into stories based on how
> juicy the story is. Rather, it needs to be juicy, appealing and
> inoffensive (to both the public and the owners of the media).
Sure, that's why they never publish stories on child abusers, killer
tsunamis, the war in Iraq or the Canucks' goaltending.
f.
OhBoy
news:tdgmr11klqcnkqtcr...@4ax.com...
You may want to check www.onlymyemail.com as well. You can keep using your
normal email address, and use some...@onlymyemail.com as well. I also like
that they have an SMTP server for when I am traveling.
Steven Fisher
Nevah mind <fre...@forgetit.com> wrote:
> Sure, that's why they never publish stories on child abusers, killer
> tsunamis, the war in Iraq or the Canucks' goaltending.
Negative content does not mean offense. If it did, people wouldn't stare
at car accidents.
--
Steven Fisher; sdfi...@spamcop.net
Dr. Evil
together. From what I heard it was a hit and run so getting proof could be
tough if there were no witnesses. Maybe there was another Canuck in the car
too? I heard 2 people died and it was Cloutier's Porsche that was involved.
Could be bullshit though.
"VanCanFan" <tenns...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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parid...@gmail.com
> In article <QSXsf.13151$6K2.107@edtnps90>, mon...@e.com says...
> > Anyone hear anything about Cloutier and a car accident with his Black
> > Porsche?
> >
> >
> >
> It has all been hushed up. If Lonnie tells you it did not happen, don't
> believe him. He has been a paid PR man for the Mcleans since 1993. A
> damned good one, too.
>
> HTH.
Riiiiiiight....and Jeff Brown was smoking a big bowl of crack in the
passenger seat too.
Are we really going to go down that road again? Cloutier doesn't even
own a black Porsche Cayanne apparently, so this story's complete bunk.
Unless someone can directly quote anyone within the Orca Bay
organization or the VPD, I consider this to be total crap.