Sarah Palin book tour
Gary
Wonder if she'll pop up on "The Daily Show". Now that
would be interesting.
- Gary
Nitram
"Gary" <ga...@stopthespam.com> wrote in message
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Is the book mostly pictures and small words?
foamy
Depends if Daily was the author.
It cracks me up how the left always attacks the intellect of the right as
if because of their beliefs makes them troglodytes.
Bush was attacked for being a dummy despite the fact he graduated
from Yale and earned an MBA from Harvard Business School, the only
pres to do it.
Palin was a good athlete and went to university on scholarship and
graduated with a BA in Communications ? [ I can't remember, I closed
Wiki and don't feel like going back :-) ].
Of course achievement in school is not necessarily an indication of the
level of intellect, but to suggest she's dumb, given her achievments,is
unfair and silly imo.
I seem to recall Bush having a higher GPA than the ' brilliant ' sexual
predator, perjuring prick Clinton.
Jim
Keith Keller
> In article <_IJMm.52458$Db2.29537@edtnps83>, "Nitram" <nit...@telus.net> wrote:
>>"Gary" <ga...@stopthespam.com> wrote in message
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>>> I see Sarah Palin is on a tour to promote her new book.
>>>
>>> Wonder if she'll pop up on "The Daily Show". Now that
>>> would be interesting.
>>>
>>> - Gary
>>
>>Is the book mostly pictures and small words?
>
> Depends if Daily was the author.
Uh, you know that "The Daily Show" is with Jon Stewart, right? That guy
is actually pretty smart (or, at least, he comes across as smart on the
show, but as he's also one of the writers, he probably contributes at
least some of the material, at least some of which is smart, depending
on whether it's African or European). But still, that's probably a good
idea for a Daily Show skit: create a character "Joe Daily" and have
Stewart dress up like plumber Joe Daily.
> Bush was attacked for being a dummy despite the fact he graduated
> from Yale and earned an MBA from Harvard Business School, the only
> pres to do it.
I think it's funny how much people seem to value an Ivy League
education. Believe you me, if you have $$$, your toaster could graduate
Yale, or any other Ivy. Okay, maybe you don't need money to get your
toaster to graduate Brown. And the toaster would be the starting center
on the football team, too.
(Full disclosure: I graduated the only Ivy without an NCAA hockey team.
How stupid was *that*? Shoulda gone to SUNY Ithaca, dammit!)
(Nah, that would have been rural hell. Shoulda tried for Columbia: then
I'd have had Columbia hockey *plus* relatively easy access to MSG.)
(Cleanup on aisle five!)
> I seem to recall Bush having a higher GPA than the ' brilliant ' sexual
> predator, perjuring prick Clinton.
Clinton was probably too busy boffing all the women on campus to give
blow jobs to the staff at the registrar's office in exchange for
''modifying'' his grades.
No, wait, that's not fair. It was probably as simple as having Daddy
President ''talk'' to the registrar.
--keith
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foamy
EastVanHalen <a...@dev.null> wrote:
>Heh. Piss off, already. People often accuse their political
>enemies of being stupid. It's not a left or right thing.
Bullshit, piss off yourself. Palin has been attacked like no other.
You're such a great feminist, yet don't have the ovaries to over-
come your political bias to stand up for a woman of a different
political stripe against the bullshit attacks she's encountered.
You're phoney.
I'm packin' up my box, moving up the street and we're done.
Jim
kim
>bomb...@sulet.net (foamy) wrote in
>news:GLKMm.53833$PH1.47938@edtnps82:
>
>> It cracks me up how the left always attacks the intellect of
>> the right as if because of their beliefs makes them
>> troglodytes.
>
>Heh. Piss off, already. People often accuse their political
>enemies of being stupid. It's not a left or right thing.
>
>Anyhow, I don't think Palin's stupid. She's wilfully ignorant,
>a bald-faced liar, and pathologically unwilling to take
>responsibility any of her mistakes, but she's not stupid.
Why that sounds like Obama!
Kim, or any politician for that matter
kim
And that's why women will always be bumping their heads against the
glass ceiling. Men don't have to do a thing. They mentor each other,
network, help each other but women? Nasty.
Kim
Gary
EVH did preface her remarks with a "heh".
- Gary (the peacemaker)
kim
>bomb...@sulet.net (foamy) wrote in
>news:wVLMm.53849$PH1.20187@edtnps82:
>
>> Bullshit, piss off yourself. Palin has been attacked like no
>> other.
>
>Nah, that's part of the Palin mythos, and it's money in the
>bank for her.
>
>> You're such a great feminist, yet don't have the
>> ovaries to over- come your political bias to stand up for a
>> woman of a different political stripe against the bullshit
>> attacks she's encountered.
>
>Sweetcheeks, you're missing the point. I'll object to a
>*misogynist* attack on Palin on the basis that it's misogynist.
>But the idea that women have to "stand up" for other women
>because they're women is the kind of essentialist nonsense that
>right-wingers always accuse feminists of getting into.
>
>Ergo: call her a cunt, and I'll tell you to go fuck yourself.
>Call her a god-bothering waste of breathable air and I will
>heartily agree. And *that*, my friend, is feminism.
What a bunch of twaddle. Jim said "been attacked like no other",
which is very broad and does include misogynist attacks.
For example, most recently, she was put on Newsweek's cover in shorts.
A picture that was used for some promotional thing for fitness. No,
they couldn't use any of the other pics floating around out there.
Like her or not, she was an elected governor and a VP candidate and
EARNED the right to more than a Barbie doll pic.
Funny that the only sounds from the feminist corner is crickets.
One of the earliest ones was the BS about whether the baby with Down's
Syndrome was hers or belonged to her daughter. Repulsive but, again,
crickets chirped. I don't recall male politicians having their
offspring be the subject of that kind of interest randomly.
Or how about another example: David Letterman making cracks about her
14 yr old daughter having sex with A-Rod and "slutty stewardess look".
It took a few days, but NOW spoke up. Otherwise, crickets they be a
chirping again.
That's just three off the top of my head at 1 am and without googling.
If that's what your definition of feminism is about, glad I have no
part of it as it seems to be failing miserably.
Kim
Freedom Elz
"foamy" <bomb...@sulet.net> wrote in message
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> In article <_IJMm.52458$Db2.29537@edtnps83>, "Nitram" <nit...@telus.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>"Gary" <ga...@stopthespam.com> wrote in message
>>news:hdvbku$6tn$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>> I see Sarah Palin is on a tour to promote her new book.
>>>
>>> Wonder if she'll pop up on "The Daily Show". Now that
>>> would be interesting.
>>>
>>> - Gary
>>
>>Is the book mostly pictures and small words?
>
>
> Depends if Daily was the author.
>
> It cracks me up how the left always attacks the intellect of the right as
> if because of their beliefs makes them troglodytes.
It cracks me up that someone can be that partisan that they would actually
defend a
grandstanding media whore that routinely spews outright lies and is
completely and
utterly unqualified and incompetent.
But then again, you're the same fucking idiot that tries to float evidence
that Saddam
had WMDs.
foamy
EastVanHalen <a...@dev.null> wrote:
>Anyhow, what did you think about that video of Bush? It really
>was bizarre, what happened to him.
>
>> I'm packin' up my box, moving up the street and we're done.
>
>Damn, and I'd been saving pits for Friday's home game.
OK, I'll wait till Saturday to move.
What video of Bush ? I must have missed it.
Jim
Grand Mal
"Keith Keller" <kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
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Guy I know, a lawyer, got his undergrad degree at Balliol, Oxford but he
came back to Canada (U.T.) for graduate school. He said there were more
degrees bought at Oxford for various currencies than were earned.
ZeroK
> In article <_IJMm.52458$Db2.29537@edtnps83>, "Nitram" <nit...@telus.net> wrote:
>
I don't know if it's wilfully ignorant or stupid but I personally do
not think anyone who thinks the earth is only 10,000 years old can be
all that bright. And man there are times that I wished I took some
bullshit degree like communications (notice that this is a favourite
of "student" athletes . I could have been drinking and having fun
those last 3 years instead of 40 hours a week in the lab.
And before I get attacked for being partisan I also do not think that
Obama is all that bright. He is a great orator of words others write
for him, but sometimes when he is off the cuff he says some stupid and
lazy shit. I have a hard reconciling strident religious beliefs and
intelligence - and the fact Obama went to (forgot the name of the
raving idiot)'s service was enough for me.
vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:49:16 GMT, bombe...@sulet.net (foamy) wrote:
> >In article <Xns9CC6D71B11A97altdevn...@216.196.97.142>,
> > EastVanHalen <a...@dev.null> wrote:
>
> >>Heh. Piss off, already. People often accuse their political
> >>enemies of being stupid. It's not a left or right thing.
>
> >Bullshit, piss off yourself. Palin has been attacked like no other.
> >You're such a great feminist, yet don't have the ovaries to over-
> >come your political bias to stand up for a woman of a different
> >political stripe against the bullshit attacks she's encountered.
>
> >You're phoney.
>
> >I'm packin' up my box, moving up the street and we're done.
>
> And that's why women will always be bumping their heads against the
> glass ceiling. Men don't have to do a thing. They mentor each other,
> network, help each other but women? Nasty.
>
> Kim
Men help each other, mentor and network? Well, network is true.
vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:52:52 -0600, EastVanHalen <a...@dev.null> wrote:
> >Ergo: call her a cunt, and I'll tell you to go fuck yourself.
> >Call her a god-bothering waste of breathable air and I will
> >heartily agree. And *that*, my friend, is feminism.
>
> What a bunch of twaddle. Jim said "been attacked like no other",
> which is very broad and does include misogynist attacks.
> snip rest <
Jeez Kim, that sounds like a kneejerk reaction of alan Baker to
anything Jim writes.
I don't know how smart Palin is. All I have to go on is what she
says. And she says stupid things.
> Like her or not, she was an elected governor and a VP candidate and
EARNED the right to more than a Barbie doll pic.
She was not elected to be VP candidate, she was selected in the hope
that folksiness would swing votes to McCain. She then showed her
unpreparedness for the job. Her reviews as Governor are very mixed -
mostly along partisan lines. Is she angling to be Presidential
candidate in 2012? Based on what I've seen and heard, I'll lose all
faith in American judgment if she is selected or, worse, elected. I
would also be equally horrified if a male folksy person said what
Palin has uttered so far, so please cut the feminism from the retort,
should you wish to make one. I'm over here in my bunker!!
Marsh
vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk
> In article <Xns9CC6D71B11A97altdevn...@216.196.97.142>,
>
> I'm packin' up my box, moving up the street and we're done.
>
> Jim
There's a near new refrigerator box available near you, with utilities
and ocean view.
Unfortunately you have to go Left to get to it, Jim.
Marsh
Grand Mal
"ZeroK" <dew...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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-I don't know if it's wilfully ignorant or stupid but I personally do
-not think anyone who thinks the earth is only 10,000 years old can be
-all that bright. And man there are times that I wished I took some
-bullshit degree like communications (notice that this is a favourite
-of "student" athletes . I could have been drinking and having fun
-those last 3 years instead of 40 hours a week in the lab.
Took her 6 years in 5 schools.
"From the Associated Press: "She began college at Hawaii Pacific
University, a private, nonsectarian school in Honolulu. She attended only as
a freshman during the fall of 1982; transferred to North Idaho College, a
two-year school in Coeur d'Alene, about 30 miles east of Spokane. She
attended the college as a general studies major for two semesters, in spring
1983 and fall 1983; She majored in journalism with an emphasis in broadcast
news. She attended [the University of] Idaho, whose mascot is the Vandals,
from fall 1984 to spring 1985; attend Matanuska-Susitna College in Palmer[,
Alaska] in fall 1985; she returned to [the University of] Idaho, for spring
1986, fall 1986 and spring 1987, when she graduated."
Ample qualification for the job she sought, especially given her foreign
affairs experience with Putin rearing his head and all.
And if she thinks people and dinosaurs co-existed, well, who can argue with
the Bible?
-And before I get attacked for being partisan I also do not think that
-Obama is all that bright. He is a great orator of words others write
-for him, but sometimes when he is off the cuff he says some stupid and
-lazy shit. I have a hard reconciling strident religious beliefs and
-intelligence - and the fact Obama went to (forgot the name of the
-raving idiot)'s service was enough for me.
'President of the Harvard Law Review' rings nicely on a resume', don't it?
And the words, 'Juris Doctor magna cum laude'?
ZeroK
>
> - Show quoted text -
I do not know his educational background, just based my opinion on
listening to him and the media reports (always a great trusted
source). That being said Harvard Law Review and Yale MBA is more
impressive than 6 years at multiple schools to get a Communications
degree from a junior college. Again I bring this up as examples of how
I find it difficuly to reconcile intelligence and strident religious
beliefs.
Grand Mal
-I do not know his educational background, just based my opinion on
-listening to him and the media reports (always a great trusted
-source). That being said Harvard Law Review and Yale MBA is more
-impressive than 6 years at multiple schools to get a Communications
-degree from a junior college. Again I bring this up as examples of how
-I find it difficuly to reconcile intelligence and strident religious
-beliefs.
Yeah, but Christopher Hitchens couldn't get elected in the USA.
Actually, there must have been, sometime, an avowed atheist elected there
but I can't think when. My guess is that if you're not a Christian you shut
up about it until the votes are counted.
'Course, Sarah Palin saying that creationism and Genesis should be taught in
schools and that the war in Iraq is a mission from God is maybe a tad over
the top. I think all the American electorate asks is that you go to church
most Sundays and say grace on Thanksgiving.
Floats in Water
> Took her 6 years in 5 schools.
>
> "From the Associated Press: "She began college at Hawaii Pacific
> University, a private, nonsectarian school in Honolulu. She attended only
> as a freshman during the fall of 1982; transferred to North Idaho College,
> a two-year school in Coeur d'Alene, about 30 miles east of Spokane. She
> attended the college as a general studies major for two semesters, in
> spring 1983 and fall 1983; She majored in journalism with an emphasis in
> broadcast news. She attended [the University of] Idaho, whose mascot is
> the Vandals, from fall 1984 to spring 1985; attend Matanuska-Susitna
> College in Palmer[, Alaska] in fall 1985; she returned to [the University
> of] Idaho, for spring 1986, fall 1986 and spring 1987, when she
> graduated."
That actually isn't so bad.
She does a semester in Hawaii, then moves to Idaho where she goes to a
2-year college (better instruction and less money) then graduates from the
University of Idaho with one semester at a College in Alaska.
Basically, it's a completely normal setup with one semester in Hawaii at the
very beginning of her education and one semester in Alaska during it.
Grand Mal
"Floats in Water" <nos...@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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Looks to me like someone who failed twice and went to smaller, less
challenging colleges to pick up the credits.
foamy
>And before I get attacked for being partisan I also do not think that
>Obama is all that bright. He is a great orator of words others write
>for him, but sometimes when he is off the cuff he says some stupid and
>lazy shit. I have a hard reconciling strident religious beliefs and
>intelligence - and the fact Obama went to (forgot the name of the
>raving idiot)'s service was enough for me.
Rev Wright ? I think many religious people have a difficult time
reconciling what reason tells them and what their religion tells
them, and opt to submit to their God.
Others are able to toss out the silly stuff and stick to the core
principles of their beliefs on how to live their lives, do unto others
etc.
I invented a drinking game based on his teleprompters, didn't last two
minutes. He looks at the right prompter for 8 seconds, then to the left,
then to the right, then to the left......
I think Obama is intelligent and thoughtful. Thoughtful often doesn't
mix well with being spontaneous. It does with being studied.
I saw a piece on the campaign. They were talking with his closest advisor
about various issues they encountered, including the controversy over
his association with Rev Wright.
Obama approached him with the notion he should talk about race. He, and
other advisors advised him against talking aboot race. It would just focus
even more attention on Wright. All the other candidates were avoiding talking
about race, and he should too. Obama said no, he thinks he should talk about
race. He told his advisors to get together and think about it and call him
back the next morning. They decided to let him go ahead and do it, they could
get something written which would minimize any potential damage.
So they called him back and gave him the green light, and told him they'd
get to work on it right away. He said nope, he is going to write the speech
himself, and he'd get back to them when it was finished. I can't recall
exactly but I think he wrote it in a day or two.
The speech ' A More Perfect Union ' is thought to have been the most important
event of the campaign, making him the party's nominee and getting him elected
President.
Jim
Floats in Water
"Grand Mal" <iron...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I googled. She went to Alaska because of a scholarship.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Sarah_Palin's_educational_background
After trying a private university for a semester she goes about getting a
normal education.
Grand Mal
Ah. Ohwell, no loss- I can come up with lots of other things about her to
sneer at.
Floats in Water
> sneer at.
Totally.
JD
She got the scholarship by finishing 3rd in the miss Alaska
competition.
she was also miss congeniality
foamy
Well, you know the old saying--A students find themselves working for C
students '.
Jim)
foamy
Couldn't I take 3 rights ?
Jim)
JD
good description for cats
Furry Republicans
Grand Mal
"Gary" <ga...@stopthespam.com> wrote in message
> I see Sarah Palin is on a tour to promote her new book.
>
> Wonder if she'll pop up on "The Daily Show". Now that
> would be interesting.
>
> - Gary
Here's Faux News, doing their damndest for the home team. The clip is from
the campaign.
Grand Mal
foamy
You eyes must have been damaged watching that.
This fauxtography from MSNBC should soothe your eyes:
http://www.examiner.
com/x-26735-Cable-News-Examiner~y2009m11d16-MSNBC-uses-fake-photo-of-Sarah-Pal
in-wearing-a-bikini
foamy
>She got the scholarship by finishing 3rd in the miss Alaska
>competition.
>
>she was also miss congeniality
You sound like you think that's a bad thing.
Let's see, Palin, scholarship for beauty contest, miss congeniality. Betty
Friedan, scholarship for academic achievement and graduated summa
cum laude as a psych major from Smith College.
No contest for me.
Jim)
kim
"vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk" <vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>On Nov 18, 2:49�am, kim <k...@home.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:52:52 -0600, EastVanHalen <a...@dev.null> wrote:
>
> > >Ergo: call her a cunt, and I'll tell you to go fuck yourself. �
> > >Call her a god-bothering waste of breathable air and I will
> > >heartily agree. �And *that*, my friend, is feminism.
> >
> > What a bunch of twaddle. �Jim said "been attacked like no other",
> > which is very broad and does include misogynist attacks. �
> > snip rest <
>
>Jeez Kim, that sounds like a kneejerk reaction of alan Baker to
>anything Jim writes.
Yes, I post so much that it's obvious.
>I don't know how smart Palin is. All I have to go on is what she
>says. And she says stupid things.
Like?
>> Like her or not, she was an elected governor and a VP candidate and
>EARNED the right to more than a Barbie doll pic.
>
>She was not elected to be VP candidate,
Never said she was.
>she was selected in the hope
>that folksiness would swing votes to McCain. She then showed her
>unpreparedness for the job.
Um. Yes, she had NO time to prepare for it. It wasn't like she was
campaigning for a year and a half beforehand.
However, she did have executive experience.
>Her reviews as Governor are very mixed -
>mostly along partisan lines. Is she angling to be Presidential
>candidate in 2012? Based on what I've seen and heard, I'll lose all
>faith in American judgment if she is selected or, worse, elected. I
>would also be equally horrified if a male folksy person said what
>Palin has uttered so far, so please cut the feminism from the retort,
>should you wish to make one. I'm over here in my bunker!!
I was talking about how she has been treated as a woman. I would hate
to see an unqualified woman in the position, as much as I dislike
seeing an unqualified black man in the position.
HTH.
Kim
Gary
As a political representative? Or just what did you have
in mind here, sir?
- Gary
kim
Yeah, that's the way a lot of people who have to pay their own ticket
have to do it.
Doesn't mean she's stupid because she didn't have the opportunity or
means to go to an elite university. Shame on you guys for saying that
about ANYONE.
Kim
foamy
Well Gary, I'm going to take the 5th. I have some olive pits promised for
friday, and given I had some coal harbour soaked fishing line sashimi for
dinner tonight, I don't want to put the pits at risk. I'll answer Saturday
when I've relocated.
Jim)
vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk
> >says. And she says stupid things.
>
> Like?
Well, I'm mildly amused by:
"I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I
can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick
Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent
renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palinisms_2.htm
That's just the first link in a Palin search, Kim. She got the role
of VP wrong, didn't understand the role or ownership of either Fannie
Mae or Freddie Mac, claimed her home state produces 20% of the USA's
oil (it produces 3.5%)....take your pick, you can't deny she comes
across very poorly in experience and policy. She's long on folksy
emotional appeal. Can she improve? Probably, but she(and anyone
else) ought to be in Government long enough to understand the issues
before she goes for a senior role.
Like I said, it doesn't prove she's stupid, but I'd like a VP
candidate and possibly Presidential contender to at least understand
facts that constitute governing. Before she runs.
>
> >she was selected in the hope
> >that folksiness would swing votes to McCain. She then showed her
> >unpreparedness for the job.
>
> Um. Yes, she had NO time to prepare for it. It wasn't like she was
> campaigning for a year and a half beforehand.
She could and should have said no, not now.
>
> However, she did have executive experience.
So did Jesse Ventura and Rod Blagojevich, yet neither were suited to
be Governor, let alone hypothetically VP.
>
> >Her reviews as Governor are very mixed -
> >mostly along partisan lines. Is she angling to be Presidential
> >candidate in 2012? Based on what I've seen and heard, I'll lose all
> >faith in American judgment if she is selected or, worse, elected. I
> >would also be equally horrified if a male folksy person said what
> >Palin has uttered so far, so please cut the feminism from the retort,
> >should you wish to make one. I'm over here in my bunker!!
>
> I was talking about how she has been treated as a woman. I would hate
> to see an unqualified woman in the position, as much as I dislike
> seeing an unqualified black man in the position.
Raised eyebrows here. I assume you mean Obama as President. He's had
10 months that he entered several months after the rudest economic
shakedown in 80 years. You may be shown to be right, but it's a
little early to call him unqualified.
> HTH.
Meaning?
Marsh
JD
>In article <3vs8g55ejoui4p2of...@4ax.com>, JD wrote:
>
>>She got the scholarship by finishing 3rd in the miss Alaska
>>competition.
>>
>>she was also miss congeniality
>
>
>You sound like you think that's a bad thing.
how?
I was just pointing out that it was not an academic scholarship
>
>Let's see, Palin, scholarship for beauty contest, miss congeniality. Betty
>Friedan, scholarship for academic achievement and graduated summa
>cum laude as a psych major from Smith College.
>
>No contest for me.
betty scare ya?
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foamy
>>No contest for me.
>betty scare ya?
You bet, I've had Betty look-a-likes drop in for pits on a nightly
basis. Unfortunately it was close to my box closing time and it
seemed like a good idea at the time.
Thankfully I awoke the next day with my neck unsliced and Momma
of Throw Momma From the Train scooping our empties and heading
to cash 'em in.
Jim)
Deborah
> I seem to recall Bush having a higher GPA than the ' brilliant ' sexual
> predator, perjuring prick Clinton.
>
> Jim
I think your recollection is faulty, Jim. Clinton was a Rhodes
Scholar at Oxford.
Deborah
vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk
> In article <d9968c0f-4274-411e-b4b3-2bbe06670d0d@w19g2000pre
>
>
> I invented a drinking game based on his teleprompters, didn't last two
> minutes. He looks at the right prompter for 8 seconds, then to the left,
> then to the right, then to the left......
Silly. Like drinking needs a game to work. However, if people buy it
you can rent a better class of box. :-)
>
> I think Obama is intelligent and thoughtful. Thoughtful often doesn't
> mix well with being spontaneous. It does with being studied.
>
That's your saving grace Jim. You can see past partisan politics.
With eyeglasses perhaps, but see nevertheless.
Marsh
foamy
>bomb...@sulet.net (foamy) wrote in
>news:3LWMm.52515$Db2.27885@edtnps83:
>
>> What video of Bush ? I must have missed it.
>
>Heh. I think you stopped reading my first post on this when you
>got all irritated-like. I was responding to your dismissal of the
>idea the whole "Bush the moron" thing. I think Bush started out
>sounding really smart, but the quality and complexity of his
>speech deterioriated markedly over the course of his presidency.
>A lot of people noticed that he lost his verbal fluency.
>
>Here's a clip (never mind the politics of the person who put it
>together, just check it out). By his second term he really did
>sound stupid, which he clearly didn't when he was younger. I
>recall some years ago reading an article that wondered Bush was
>suffering from some kind of disorder that was affecting his
>speech/intellect/etc.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo
Ahh, thanks.
I recall when he first took office he was mocked like crazy because he
couldn't pronounce the names of certain countries and foreign leaders.
A month later he was rattling them off with no prob, and I commented
what a quick study he was. But that was 10 years ago so I guess his
meat wasn't wrapped too tight then.
Jim
foamy
Hi Deb, good to hear from you. Yes he was a Rhodes Scholar but didn't
graduate. He found out he was too dumb, and they found out he was too
lecherous, so he dropped out and went to Bushie Boys school, Yale.
Jim)
foamy
"vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk" <vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 18, 2:51=A0pm, bombe...@sulet.net (foamy) wrote:
>> In article <d9968c0f-4274-411e-b4b3-2bbe06670d0d@w19g2000pre
>>
>>
>> I invented a drinking game based on his teleprompters, didn't last two
>> minutes. He looks at the right prompter for 8 seconds, then to the left,
>> then to the right, then to the left......
>
>Silly. Like drinking needs a game to work. However, if people buy it
>you can rent a better class of box. :-)
Heh, what was I thinking ? I could have had a drink without sitting through a
political speech. Damn.
>> I think Obama is intelligent and thoughtful. Thoughtful often doesn't
>> mix well with being spontaneous. It does with being studied.
>>
> That's your saving grace Jim. You can see past partisan politics.
>With eyeglasses perhaps, but see nevertheless.
Sometimes tinted though Marsh. Like when it comes to Burke. :-)
Jim
Grand Mal
"kim" <k...@home.com> wrote in message
news:c9d9g5h9t4jgqt3ua...@4ax.com...
Maybe I'm wrong about her. If travelling from Alaska to Hawaii to Idaho to
Alaska and back to Idaho looks like a way to save money on an education she
might be a natural for federal politics.
Grand Mal
"foamy" <bomb...@sulet.net> wrote in message
news:6K0Nm.52604$Db2.29153@edtnps83...
Sorry, the link didn't work for me. Is it that photo-shop job where whe's
wearing a star-spangled bikini and holding a rifle?
foamy
>Sorry, the link didn't work for me. Is it that photo-shop job where whe's
>wearing a star-spangled bikini and holding a rifle?
Grand Mal
Still can't get it. Maybe it's a screw-up at my end. I know the picture,
though.
If the USA ever amends their constitution to make room in the Executive
Branch for a MILF portfolio she'll be a natural.
Salkirin
Try this; the error message that I received said to change the URL to
B.tinyurl...
Salkirin...
foamy
Salkirin <Salk...@nospam.net> wrote:
>Try this; the error message that I received said to change the URL to
>B.tinyurl...
>
>http://b.tinyurl.com/yjxgj8d
>
>Salkirin...
She's got a better body than the one they used in the fake photo:
Grand Mal
What an odd picture!
Gary
Mmmmmmm.
Thing is, though, I don't think anyone is disputing that
she is an attractive charismatic woman. The disagreement
seems to be about whether she should be allowed anywhere
near the position of the presidency of the United States.
- Gary
foamy
foamy
Gary <ga...@stopthespam.com> wrote:
> Mmmmmmm.
>
> Thing is, though, I don't think anyone is disputing that
>she is an attractive charismatic woman. The disagreement
>seems to be about whether she should be allowed anywhere
>near the position of the presidency of the United States.
I think she's one of those cute, dipsy girls you'd like to grab a 64 pack
of Moosehead and go camping with -- president ? Not so much. :-)
Jim
Grand Mal
Where's it taken, in her office? Is that a desk? Looks like a damned
uncomfortable chair. Why is there a flag on it? Why is there a US Army
banner hanging on the window? What's she holding? Looks like a screen with
an image of a man wearing a bow-tie. The furniture was rearranged by the
marks on the carpet and the fact that there's only one child-safety plug in
the outlet box says something was plugged in there.
It's just odd, an odd pose for Runners World, odd props (a stuffed animal on
the window-sill?). Or maybe my boredom is approaching critical mass. Rain or
not, I'd better hobble up to the corner for a coffee and newspaper.
foamy
"Grand Mal" <iron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Heh, well since you put it that way............
I think that's Russia in the background.
Jim
Grand Mal
Huh. If I watch it long enough, will Putin raise his head?
Keith Keller
>
> Thing is, though, I don't think anyone is disputing that
> she is an attractive charismatic woman. The disagreement
> seems to be about whether she should be allowed anywhere
> near the position of the presidency of the United States.
There are probably like ten people who should be allowed anywhere near
the position of president of the United States, and all of them are
smart enough to not want the position.
--keith
--
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JD
wrote:
>Maybe I'm wrong about her. If travelling from Alaska to Hawaii to Idaho to
>Alaska and back to Idaho looks like a way to save money on an education she
>might be a natural for federal politics.
LOL
you are correct sir:)
kim
wrote:
>
Maybe she had obligations or jobs along the way. Maybe she ran out of
money and had to come home to work for a while. Some people actually
work and go to school. Those are the ones who don't get expensive
fancy educations and, from what I am seeing here, aren't good enough.
If you don't like her or what she stands for, then fine, but the
comments here about her education insult a lot of people.
Kim
bob
>>Maybe I'm wrong about her. If travelling from Alaska to Hawaii to Idaho to
>>Alaska and back to Idaho looks like a way to save money on an education she
>>might be a natural for federal politics.
>
>Maybe she had obligations or jobs along the way. Maybe she ran out of
>money and had to come home to work for a while. Some people actually
>work and go to school. Those are the ones who don't get expensive
>fancy educations and, from what I am seeing here, aren't good enough.
>
>If you don't like her or what she stands for, then fine, but the
>comments here about her education insult a lot of people.
>
>Kim
the comments are about the education of someone potentially chosen for
a really really really important position. it's probably a fine
education for your average citizen, and actually moving around is a
good thing, imo, but for prez of the us? nope. when she doesn't seem
all that clever AND has an education like that, then comments about
her schooling are gonna happen. just like jim has done with clinton...
kim
wrote:
There seems to be an issue with the usage of the phot and who has
rights to it.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/11/18/palin-photographer-breached-contract-with-sale-to-newsweek/
Kim
kim
Maybe he just got tired and worn out. It's a difficult and hateful
job with off the charts stress. Look at Clinton and his heart issues.
Obama already looks older.
Kim
kim
<kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>On 2009-11-19, Gary <ga...@stopthespam.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thing is, though, I don't think anyone is disputing that
>> she is an attractive charismatic woman. The disagreement
>> seems to be about whether she should be allowed anywhere
>> near the position of the presidency of the United States.
>
>There are probably like ten people who should be allowed anywhere near
>the position of president of the United States, and all of them are
>smart enough to not want the position.
Spot on.
Kim
kim
>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:13:50 -0800, kim <k...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>>Maybe I'm wrong about her. If travelling from Alaska to Hawaii to Idaho to
>>>Alaska and back to Idaho looks like a way to save money on an education she
>>>might be a natural for federal politics.
>>
>>Maybe she had obligations or jobs along the way. Maybe she ran out of
>>money and had to come home to work for a while. Some people actually
>>work and go to school. Those are the ones who don't get expensive
>>fancy educations and, from what I am seeing here, aren't good enough.
>>
>>If you don't like her or what she stands for, then fine, but the
>>comments here about her education insult a lot of people.
>
>the comments are about the education of someone potentially chosen for
>a really really really important position. it's probably a fine
>education for your average citizen, and actually moving around is a
>good thing, imo, but for prez of the us? nope. when she doesn't seem
>all that clever AND has an education like that, then comments about
>her schooling are gonna happen. just like jim has done with clinton...
Which is bullshit (sorry bob). I totally disagree. Education helps
make the person, but it isn't the person.
And Jim is wrong if he believes that as well.
We've all met people who have been educationally brilliant but don't
have enough "smarts" or wits to get across the street safely.
Like I said, liking her is subjective. I take a lot of umbrage with
the attitude that people can't do something because they don't have a
"name brand" education. That's insulting to a lot of people and the
educational institutes.
Maybe part of the problem *is* that there have been too many "name
brand" educations and not enough people who have actually had to make
hard decisions, sacrifices and have gone through a little hardship.
Kim
foamy
bob <bo...@canada.com> wrote:
piddle off lower case. I don't give a fuck about clintons education, he's a
smart guy with outstanding accomplishments both in school and life. i'm just
rattling cages over a lying, immoral, convicted perguring prick, sexual
predator, who was given a free pass because of his politics from men and
women alike. The fuck should have been stoned in the lawn front of the white
house by the females he violated and assaulted over the years.
fuck him and fuck, especially the women, who listened to their dampened
panties and tossed their reasoning, sisters, and principles under the bus. the
prick should have been impeached and tossed out onto his bulbous ass to jail,
instead of making kabillions in speaking dates and being considered as some
variety of an elder statesman. just hide your daughters, or effeminate sons.
Jim
jim
meetz
You know, you should try not to hold back so much on your feelings.
Releasing those constricted thoughts is liberating.
hophead
> fuck him and fuck....
Dude: it sounds like you need another drink. Have the next one on me!
First Clinton gets away with all, then the Leaves blow a 3 goal lead.
Damn! Since I hate to see someone drink alone I think I'll have one
myself: make yours a double if it helps!
Floats in Water
>>If you don't like her or what she stands for, then fine, but the
>>comments here about her education insult a lot of people.
>>
>>Kim
>
> the comments are about the education of someone potentially chosen for
> a really really really important position. it's probably a fine
> education for your average citizen, and actually moving around is a
> good thing, imo, but for prez of the us? nope. when she doesn't seem
> all that clever AND has an education like that, then comments about
> her schooling are gonna happen. just like jim has done with clinton...
I don't get what's wrong with it.
She went to Hawaii for a *semester* and then did her entire education in
Idaho with the exception of one scholarship-driven semester in her home
state.
Doing a 2-year college first is fairly standard.
Bob
Gary
So we're all agreed that Sarah Palin shouldn't be allowed
anywhere near the position of President of the United
States? : )
- Gary (The Great Unifier)
hophead
>
> So we're all agreed that Sarah Palin shouldn't be allowed
> anywhere near the position of President of the United
> States? : )
LOL! well done sir :-)
vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:37:20 GMT, "Grand Mal" <ironw...@hotmail.com>
Maybe, schmaybe. Why speculate when her education is a matter of
public record? As is almost anything, apparently, in the USA.
http://www.slate.com/id/2201332/
As the daughter of a schoolteacher and coach, Palin never doubted she
would go to college. But here the evidence of Palin's thirst for
knowledge grows even more elusive. Palin's college career is so
checkered that her own press spokesperson initially had trouble
getting straight whether, during a period of five years, Palin
attended four colleges (wrong) or five (correct). Palin made the
circuit of three of these colleges with her high-school basketball
teammate Kim "Tillie" Ketchum. In describing the two girls' joint
pursuit of higher education, Johnson makes it sound like a trip to the
ladies' room.
First, Palin and Ketchum (and two other high-school friends) lighted
on the University of Hawaii-Hilo. Drawn by the promise of warmth and
sunshine, the four girls quickly learned that Hilo was, in fact, quite
rainy and immediately either transferred out or declined to register.
(The school has no record Palin ever enrolled.)
Next stop: Hawaii Pacific University in Honolulu, where it was sunnier
and where an aunt of Palin's lived nearby. Palin enrolled in the
business administration program. Two of the four girls got homesick
and returned to Alaska, but Palin and Ketchum stayed, renting an
apartment one block from the ocean in Waikiki. By the end of freshman
year, Palin and Ketchum decided they'd grown tired of this hard-won
sunshine and arranged to transfer out.
Next stop: North Idaho College in Coeur d'Alene. (Palin was born in
Idaho.) Here, Johnson writes, they "immersed themselves in a more
traditional college life" and lived in a coed dorm. According to
Ketchum, Palin, who enrolled as a general studies major, remained
interested primarily in sports, but Palin spent a semester working in
a TV production studio. This past June, North Idaho College's Alumni
Association named Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin a distinguished alumna and
invited her to give the commencement address in 2009. But Palin
attended the school for only one year—a spokeswoman for the college
told the Associated Press, "We were not able to track down club
affiliations or anything"—before departing. This time, Ketchum stayed
put.
Next stop: the University of Idaho in Moscow, where today a leadership
award is named for Palin. According to Johnson, Palin transferred here
"to continue her studies in journalism and political science." (Among
Palin's journalism classes, Couric might be surprised to learn, was
"Interviewing.") But it seems likelier that Palin transferred to be
nearer to her brother Chuck, who played running back for the school's
football team. Palin didn't write for the school newspaper—a friend
recalls she was more interested in broadcast journalism—and her
academic adviser, Roy Atwood, does not appear to remember her. After
one year, Palin decided to take some time off.
Next stop: Matanuska-Susitna Community College in Palmer, Alaska, not
far from Palin's hometown of Wasilla. This was apparently to be near
her high-school boyfriend (and future husband) Todd Palin. Johnson
doesn't bother to mention this academic sojourn in her book. Palin
took classes here for one semester.
Next stop: Back to the University of Idaho for three more semesters.
Palin graduated in spring 1987 with a journalism degree.
There's no evidence that Palin encountered any academic difficulties
in any of these places—indeed, Ketchum told Johnson that she and Palin
got "straight A's" at Hawaii Pacific University.
Grand Mal
She *isn't* good enough, not for the job she aspires to. It's not a matter
of the names of the schools she went to, it's a matter of the quality of the
education she came away with. Her education left her believing that people
co-existed with dinosaurs, that there's a US Federal agency called the
"Department of Law", that the Vice President is 'in charge of the Senate',
that Alaska provides 20% of America's oil (odd that a Governor of Alaska
would think that).
She's a ditz. She put herself on the biggest stage in the world and has no
business being there.
>
> If you don't like her or what she stands for, then fine, but the
> comments here about her education insult a lot of people.
Bullshit. I'm insulting someone who tried, with no qualifications, to become
Vice President of the USA. That doesn't describe a lot of people and if
anyone is insulted by what I said about Sarah Palin, it's their fault, not
mine.
Fucksakes.
>
> Kim
Keith Keller
foamy
Depends who the prez is. If Clinton was the pres she'd be in a hallway
off the oval office and her position would be on her knees.
Jim
Keith Keller
>
> Depends who the prez is. If Clinton was the pres she'd be in a hallway
> off the oval office and her position would be on her knees.
At least with her mouth closed she couldn't say anything stupid....
--keith ;-)
foamy
Keith Keller <kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>On 2009-11-20, foamy <bomb...@sulet.net> wrote:
>>
>> Depends who the prez is. If Clinton was the pres she'd be in a hallway
>> off the oval office and her position would be on her knees.
>
>At least with her mouth closed she couldn't say anything stupid....
>
>--keith ;-)
-- if you were a gentleman, you wouldn't make me do this.
-- if you were a lady you wouldn't talk with you mouth full.
Oh oh * I'm duckin' * Please Lord, get me through pit Friday,
Jim
Grand Mal
If McCain were prez she'd be tip-toeing up behind him with a balloon and a
hatpin.
Keith Keller
> In article <5gjht6x...@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>,
> Keith Keller <kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>>At least with her mouth closed she couldn't say anything stupid....
>
>
Whichever one of us gets to Hell first should save a seat for the other.
--keith
Deborah
> In article <d6d8b693-4bb6-4066-aa08-6ed1dce6e...@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Deborah <bcd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 17, 8:30=A0pm, bombe...@sulet.net (foamy) wrote:
>
> >> I seem to recall Bush having a higher GPA than the ' brilliant ' sexual
> >> predator, perjuring prick Clinton.
>
> >> Jim
>
> >I think your recollection is faulty, Jim. Clinton was a Rhodes
> >Scholar at Oxford.
>
> >Deborah
>
> Hi Deb, good to hear from you. Yes he was a Rhodes Scholar but didn't
> graduate. He found out he was too dumb, and they found out he was too
> lecherous, so he dropped out and went to Bushie Boys school, Yale.
>
> Jim)
I don't want to be argumentative, but he didn't say anything about
that in his autobiography "My Life", which I read. He never said
anything about going to Yale.
Deborah
bob
>>the comments are about the education of someone potentially chosen for
>>a really really really important position. it's probably a fine
>>education for your average citizen, and actually moving around is a
>>good thing, imo, but for prez of the us? nope. when she doesn't seem
>>all that clever AND has an education like that, then comments about
>>her schooling are gonna happen. just like jim has done with clinton...
>
>Which is bullshit (sorry bob). I totally disagree. Education helps
>make the person, but it isn't the person.
which part is bullshit? you don't want our (and their and all) leaders
to have the best educations? i never even came close to saying that
education IS the person.
>And Jim is wrong if he believes that as well.
i made you say something bad about jim!! woohoo.
>We've all met people who have been educationally brilliant but don't
>have enough "smarts" or wits to get across the street safely.
they shouldn't lead the us either.
>Like I said, liking her is subjective. I take a lot of umbrage with
>the attitude that people can't do something because they don't have a
>"name brand" education. That's insulting to a lot of people and the
>educational institutes.
it's not insulting to anyone to say that someone with a diploma from
langara college isn't quite up to snuff when it comes to leading a
nation. i want politicians to be way smarter than i am and most of
them probably are.
you should meet some of the kids i teach who i know are going on to
great careers after quality programs at top schools. they are
amazingly bright and breeze into the best schools with massive
scholarships and they are all smarter than palin is right now and many
of them blow me, and everyone i know, out of the water in processing,
logic, retention, abstraction, you name it...
>Maybe part of the problem *is* that there have been too many "name
>brand" educations and not enough people who have actually had to make
>hard decisions, sacrifices and have gone through a little hardship.
that's just silly. there is a big imbalance in education, definitely.
there are a lot of very smart people who would do very well if given
more opportunity, but at the moment, in our current system, IN
GENERAL, the smartest people go to the best schools and so some really
challenging stuff. the problem is (as someone else already said in
this thread) that the smartest people generally avoid politics and do
something in medicine or physics or math... or entertainment even...
kim
wrote:
>
>"kim" <k...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:shubg513m8pa6vr19...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:37:20 GMT, "Grand Mal" <iron...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
(snip)
>> If you don't like her or what she stands for, then fine, but the
>> comments here about her education insult a lot of people.
>
>Bullshit. I'm insulting someone who tried, with no qualifications, to become
>Vice President of the USA. That doesn't describe a lot of people and if
>anyone is insulted by what I said about Sarah Palin, it's their fault, not
>mine.
>Fucksakes.
Let me refresh your memory:
quote
-I don't know if it's wilfully ignorant or stupid but I personally do
-not think anyone who thinks the earth is only 10,000 years old can be
-all that bright. And man there are times that I wished I took some
-bullshit degree like communications (notice that this is a favourite
-of "student" athletes . I could have been drinking and having fun
-those last 3 years instead of 40 hours a week in the lab.
Took her 6 years in 5 schools.
"From the Associated Press: "She began college at Hawaii Pacific
University, a private, nonsectarian school in Honolulu. She attended
only as
a freshman during the fall of 1982; transferred to North Idaho
College, a
two-year school in Coeur d'Alene, about 30 miles east of Spokane. She
attended the college as a general studies major for two semesters, in
spring
1983 and fall 1983; She majored in journalism with an emphasis in
broadcast
news. She attended [the University of] Idaho, whose mascot is the
Vandals,
from fall 1984 to spring 1985; attend Matanuska-Susitna College in
Palmer[,
Alaska] in fall 1985; she returned to [the University of] Idaho, for
spring
1986, fall 1986 and spring 1987, when she graduated."
Ample qualification for the job she sought, especially given her
foreign
affairs experience with Putin rearing his head and all.
And if she thinks people and dinosaurs co-existed, well, who can argue
with
the Bible?
-And before I get attacked for being partisan I also do not think that
-Obama is all that bright. He is a great orator of words others write
-for him, but sometimes when he is off the cuff he says some stupid
and
-lazy shit. I have a hard reconciling strident religious beliefs and
-intelligence - and the fact Obama went to (forgot the name of the
-raving idiot)'s service was enough for me.
'President of the Harvard Law Review' rings nicely on a resume', don't
it?
And the words, 'Juris Doctor magna cum laude'?
end quote
message ID:
cVYMm.52539$Db2.23847@edtnps83
So fucksakes yourself. "Bullshit degree like communications".
Fuck you.
Kim
Grand Mal
I didn't write that. Learn to read attributions.
Fucksakes.
kim
>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:36:34 -0800, kim <k...@home.com> wrote:
>>>the comments are about the education of someone potentially chosen for
>>>a really really really important position. it's probably a fine
>>>education for your average citizen, and actually moving around is a
>>>good thing, imo, but for prez of the us? nope. when she doesn't seem
>>>all that clever AND has an education like that, then comments about
>>>her schooling are gonna happen. just like jim has done with clinton...
>>
>>Which is bullshit (sorry bob). I totally disagree. Education helps
>>make the person, but it isn't the person.
>
>which part is bullshit? you don't want our (and their and all) leaders
>to have the best educations? i never even came close to saying that
>education IS the person.
Define "best"? Is that with how much is spent? The degree?
>>And Jim is wrong if he believes that as well.
>
>i made you say something bad about jim!! woohoo.
I said "if".
>>We've all met people who have been educationally brilliant but don't
>>have enough "smarts" or wits to get across the street safely.
>
>they shouldn't lead the us either.
Oh... but they have a Hahvahrd education.
Immediate superiority and high intelligence. It says so on their
degree.
>>Like I said, liking her is subjective. I take a lot of umbrage with
>>the attitude that people can't do something because they don't have a
>>"name brand" education. That's insulting to a lot of people and the
>>educational institutes.
>
>it's not insulting to anyone to say that someone with a diploma from
>langara college isn't quite up to snuff when it comes to leading a
>nation. i want politicians to be way smarter than i am and most of
>them probably are.
Smarter = elite university degree??????
Yikes.
>you should meet some of the kids i teach who i know are going on to
>great careers after quality programs at top schools. they are
>amazingly bright and breeze into the best schools with massive
>scholarships and they are all smarter than palin is right now and many
>of them blow me, and everyone i know, out of the water in processing,
>logic, retention, abstraction, you name it...
Yes, but how would they handle the ability to send people to their
deaths? How about knowing that the wrong decision will have people
out of their homes and possibly on the street?
Etc, etc, etc.
I'm glad your students are wonderful and smart. I'd like to know
about their backbone and character WAY before their education when I'm
sending someone in to talk to Hitler 2.0 in Iran who is on the cusp of
going nuclear. Do they have the stones to look Ahmadinejad in the eye
and know in the small parts of their mind that if they fuck it up it
could mean the deaths of millions of Israelis?
Because that is what we are up against as he has clearly stated his
intentions.
Pailin may not have that. Neither may Obama. But I sure as hell am
not doing to pass up a ditch digger with a grade 10 education if that
person could do it.
And that's what I have been saying.
>>Maybe part of the problem *is* that there have been too many "name
>>brand" educations and not enough people who have actually had to make
>>hard decisions, sacrifices and have gone through a little hardship.
>
>that's just silly. there is a big imbalance in education, definitely.
>there are a lot of very smart people who would do very well if given
>more opportunity, but at the moment, in our current system, IN
>GENERAL, the smartest people go to the best schools and so some really
>challenging stuff. the problem is (as someone else already said in
>this thread) that the smartest people generally avoid politics and do
>something in medicine or physics or math... or entertainment even...
I guess I'm not overly impressed with a piece of paper. I'd rather
have a conversation with them and see if they can cross the street
without getting hurt.
Kim
kim
Only if we are agreed that Obama and John Kerry have no business
either.
Kim
kim
wrote:
Doesn't really matter. It's not like you took issue with it. Besides,
is it any more or less charming than:
>>Ample qualification for the job she sought, especially given her
>> foreign affairs experience with Putin rearing his head and all.
Oh wait! You mean the same amount of foreign affairs experience that
Obama has?
If you're going to bellittle people, then at least try to either be
accurate (Beck/Limbaugh) or try not to be an obvious elitist asshole.
I love the open-mindedness of some people here. As long as one
believes the same thing and goes to the right schools.
I'm out. Good luck, Jim.
Kim
Grand Mal
Jeezus, listen to yourself.
>Besides,
> is it any more or less charming than:
>
>>>Ample qualification for the job she sought, especially given her
>>> foreign affairs experience with Putin rearing his head and all.
>
> Oh wait! You mean the same amount of foreign affairs experience that
> Obama has?
You know the Palin quote I was referring to, everyone in the Western world
knows that one. It was one of the dumbest things she said in the campaign,
and that's saying something.
Do you really not see the difference between having no experience and
claiming ridiculously bogus experience?
>
> If you're going to bellittle people, then at least try to either be
> accurate (Beck/Limbaugh) or try not to be an obvious elitist asshole.
> I love the open-mindedness of some people here. As long as one
> believes the same thing and goes to the right schools.
Oh, here it comes...
>
> I'm out.
'Course you are.
>Good luck, Jim.
My name's not Jim.
>
> Kim
BQ
"Keith Keller" <kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
news:5gjht6x...@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us...
> On 2009-11-20, foamy <bomb...@sulet.net> wrote:
>>
>> Depends who the prez is. If Clinton was the pres she'd be in a hallway
>> off the oval office and her position would be on her knees.
>
> At least with her mouth closed she couldn't say anything stupid....
>
> --keith ;-)
LOL! That was a good one Keith!
bob
>>which part is bullshit? you don't want our (and their and all) leaders
>>to have the best educations? i never even came close to saying that
>>education IS the person.
>
>Define "best"? Is that with how much is spent? The degree?
best would be at least 2 and probably more degrees at generally agreed
upon good universities. you're doing a strange thing. trying to equate
all schools? or all degrees? or say that community colleges or street
smarts are better than ivy league schools? i don't quite get it...
it's way more about the person, but at the moment, with the imbalances
in education (because of conservative policies) the best organized and
the best thinkers go to the best schools.
>>>We've all met people who have been educationally brilliant but don't
>>>have enough "smarts" or wits to get across the street safely.
>>
>>they shouldn't lead the us either.
>
>Oh... but they have a Hahvahrd education.
>
>Immediate superiority and high intelligence. It says so on their
>degree.
no one is saying that degree = leadership. 1000s get degrees from good
schools every year. and 1000000s don't. i'm suggesting that the best
thinkers are more likely to be in the first group and are more likely
to be people who should be leaders.
>>>Like I said, liking her is subjective. I take a lot of umbrage with
>>>the attitude that people can't do something because they don't have a
>>>"name brand" education. That's insulting to a lot of people and the
>>>educational institutes.
>>
>>it's not insulting to anyone to say that someone with a diploma from
>>langara college isn't quite up to snuff when it comes to leading a
>>nation. i want politicians to be way smarter than i am and most of
>>them probably are.
>
>Smarter = elite university degree??????
in general, definitely.
>Yikes.
easily shocked by obvious things.
>>you should meet some of the kids i teach who i know are going on to
>>great careers after quality programs at top schools. they are
>>amazingly bright and breeze into the best schools with massive
>>scholarships and they are all smarter than palin is right now and many
>>of them blow me, and everyone i know, out of the water in processing,
>>logic, retention, abstraction, you name it...
>
>Yes, but how would they handle the ability to send people to their
>deaths? How about knowing that the wrong decision will have people
>out of their homes and possibly on the street?
they would all do very well at anything you could throw at them and
would learn any systems and cause/effect stuff way faster than you or
i.
>I'm glad your students are wonderful and smart. I'd like to know
>about their backbone and character WAY before their education when I'm
>sending someone in to talk to Hitler 2.0 in Iran who is on the cusp of
>going nuclear. Do they have the stones to look Ahmadinejad in the eye
>and know in the small parts of their mind that if they fuck it up it
>could mean the deaths of millions of Israelis?
now you're acting like you think a better education is actually a
minus.
>Because that is what we are up against as he has clearly stated his
>intentions.
>
>Pailin may not have that. Neither may Obama. But I sure as hell am
>not doing to pass up a ditch digger with a grade 10 education if that
>person could do it.
>
>And that's what I have been saying.
i wouldn't pass up that person either, if they popped out of the
system somehow, but that's not how western politics work. ditch
diggers generally don't climb up through politicical parties, they
climb down into ditches. people who drop out after grade 10 missed out
on way too much history to lead any country i'd want to live in.
>>>Maybe part of the problem *is* that there have been too many "name
>>>brand" educations and not enough people who have actually had to make
>>>hard decisions, sacrifices and have gone through a little hardship.
>>
>>that's just silly. there is a big imbalance in education, definitely.
>>there are a lot of very smart people who would do very well if given
>>more opportunity, but at the moment, in our current system, IN
>>GENERAL, the smartest people go to the best schools and so some really
>>challenging stuff. the problem is (as someone else already said in
>>this thread) that the smartest people generally avoid politics and do
>>something in medicine or physics or math... or entertainment even...
>
>I guess I'm not overly impressed with a piece of paper. I'd rather
>have a conversation with them and see if they can cross the street
>without getting hurt.
that's just dumb.
ZeroK
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:03:42 GMT, "Grand Mal" <ironw...@hotmail.com>> >> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:37:20 GMT, "Grand Mal" <ironw...@hotmail.com>
I think you mean fuck me Kim. And yes I do think there is a vast
difference in work and difficulty when comparing university degrees. I
am far more impressed by someone with a degree in Physics from
Kwantlen College than a Communications Degree from Harvard. I also
don't think this amounts to a hill of beans when it comes to being a
politician.
I think that you review a potential politician's academic background
by their overall achievement (i.e. wouldn't have a great deal of
confidence in someone who failed three times and took 8 years to get
an undergrad (no reference to Palin at all, I went to two schools to
get my undergrad so who am I to judge). And by how involved they were
at school - becoming leaders of societies and groups demonstrating
they have innate desire to lead. I would think that someone who wanted
to enter this life would also be attracted to courses that highlight
policy, economics etc.
All that being said - I think Jim mentioned that a lot A students end
up working for C students - this whole idea that what we did when we
were in our early twenties is reflective of who we are by the time we
get to our forties is just clearly wrong. I worked at the University
of Phoenix for a couple of years and had the pleasure of meeting lots
of smart, bright motivated people I would have been only to happy to
vote for if they ever ran for public office who, for many different
reasons, could not go to University when they were young. They came
there after excelling in their careers and were looking for the piece
of paper that would allow them to take the next step. And that is what
they got for 15K a year - a piece of paper that validated what should
have been obvious from the work they were able to perform.
As for the religious thing, that is a personal bias that I have. I
struggle with it as I know lots bright, articulate people who are very
religious and I am trying to rid myself of this bias. It is no
different than when I have a conversation with these same people they
have trouble understanding how, as an atheist, I am OK with the notion
that I am just worm food in the end, or worse, they make judgements
about my morality and ethics thinking that I can't have any without
believing in God.
Anyhow I have to get back to torturing kittens and looking down at
people with Communications degrees.
Keith Keller
>
> "Keith Keller" <kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:5gjht6x...@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us...
>> On 2009-11-20, foamy <bomb...@sulet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Depends who the prez is. If Clinton was the pres she'd be in a hallway
>>> off the oval office and her position would be on her knees.
>>
>> At least with her mouth closed she couldn't say anything stupid....
>
Zank you very much, I'll be here all ze veek.
--keith
vaughnmar...@yahoo.co.uk
You're out? You think throwing the grenade and heading for the rear
lines is courageous, Kim? Or maybe you just realize you are in a
debate you can't win, based on facts?
I'm annoyed at your "Fuck you" (I know, so what?) but it is a gutless
response when you can't convince others of your stance. Sarah Palin
has had numerous chances to prove her worthiness. She has never
demonstrated the leadership or judgment you profess to admire. So all
the "maybe she..." and "ditchdigger" references mean nothing re: Sarah
Palin.
Or do you think that if Sarah Palin just said "Fuck you" and "I'm
out", it would qualify her to negotiate with Ahmadinejad and Putin?
Marsh
foamy
wrote:
>You know, you should try not to hold back so much on your feelings.
>Releasing those constricted thoughts is liberating.
Heh, I find it so difficult to share.
Jim
foamy
Grand Mal" <iron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
LOL. Beauty !
Jim
Scotty
>> the position of president of the United States, and all of them are
>>>> smart enough to not want the position.
>>> Spot on.
>>>
>>> Kim
>> So we're all agreed that Sarah Palin shouldn't be allowed
>> anywhere near the position of President of the United
>> States? : )
>>
>> - Gary (The Great Unifier)
>
> Only if we are agreed that Obama and John Kerry have no business
> either.
>
> Kim
You don't honestly believe that Obama is as unqualified as Palin? I bet
you'd find most Republicans even disagree with you. Even Jim has
basically admitted he only likes her for her looks. As a red-blooded
male, I'd like to see her a little more often too, but certainly not in
any kind of a position of authority or responsibility. Maybe she could
get a gig as a beer spokeswoman, or something.
As much as I can't stand Kerry, he's vastly more qualified to run the
USA than Palin is. He's far more experienced, better educated (political
science major, as opposed to Palin's communications), and from my
observation, considerably more intelligent.
Scott
Gary
Come to think of it, isn't that sort of what she said to
the voters of Alaska?
- Gary