Jamie Dantzscher thinking of doing '02 Nationals
Penny
A quote from Jamie:
"Bela came up to me at [2001] Nationals two or three times and started
talking to me," Dantzscher said. "The talk we had was good. He encouraged me
to come back. He said, `You should come back slowly, maybe a couple events
and you can be right there for 2004.'
"It was kind of weird that he came up to me, but it was cool. Like I said,
there's no hard feelings."
"It was nice of him to come up to me and tell me how he felt. He talked to
me like a person, instead of someone trying to be in control of me."
UH, DUH, Jamie, because the guy is freakin' hedging his bets in case these
juniors all burn out and crumble to ash! He wants you in shape so he can
use you in case he needs you. Why don't these people realize when they're
just being manipulated???
MLPearson79
Jamie's a smart girl, she's got to see through this scam.
Bet For A Living
>
>Jamie's a smart girl, she's got to see through this scam.
DITZscher?
Hopefully she will.
Ray Gordon, Author
The Player's Encyclopedia: Everything you need to know about seduction
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Crapshoot
Bela had come up to Jamie and told here to get out now and that she'd never
be ready for '04?
"Bet For A Living" <betfor...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010829133926...@mb-fk.aol.com...
Bet For A Living
>Bela had come up to Jamie and told here to get out now and that she'd never
>be ready for '04?
The same: Jamie DITZscher!
Ray Gordon, Author
The Nice-Guy Graveyard: Where men go to bury their kindness and be the jerk
women love
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
JGreen8301
>Bela had come up to Jamie and told here to get out now and that she'd never
>be ready for '04?
I think she would try her hardest to shove it in his face and make the team.
Jeff Green
"If you're too limited to be able to study that ballot and vote the right way,
how can you have the ability to realize that you goofed up and then find your
congressman and call him?" - Rush Limbaugh
Twc6
>Bela had come up to Jamie and told here to get out now and that she'd never
>be ready for '04?
The same: Jamie DITZscher!>>
You would think someone supposedly opposed to child abuse would also be opposed
to subjecting teenagers to public name-calling.
Crapshoot
"JGreen8301" <jgree...@aol.commander> wrote in message
news:20010830165519...@mb-cg.aol.com...
> >what would all your comments be if
> >Bela had come up to Jamie and told here to get out now and that she'd
never
> >be ready for '04?
>
> I think she would try her hardest to shove it in his face and make the
team.
> Jeff Green
Ahhhh, as Inspector Cluseau(sp?) would say, "The old reverse psychology
ploy."
Maybe she'd fall for it. I don't know.
Bet For A Living
So if I get this straight, most of the time you mind your own business, but if
a "hottie" is offended, your soapbox comes out.
Typical CHUMP.
Twc6
if
a "hottie" is offended, your soapbox comes out.>>
No, you didn't get that straight. I have zero sexual interest in any teenage
girl.
Personally, I don't see much of a difference between physical and mental child
abuse, which is why I participate in neither.
<<Typical CHUMP.>>
That's CHIMP to you. Gimme a banana!
Bet For A Living
>if
>a "hottie" is offended, your soapbox comes out.>>
>
>No, you didn't get that straight. I have zero sexual interest in any teenage
>girl.
Yet you're behaving like a BLUTO.
Jamie's 18, by the way, which is a legal adult.
>Personally, I don't see much of a difference between physical and mental
>child
>abuse, which is why I participate in neither.
Neither do I. One cannot "abuse" a child through "pure speech," at least as
the law sees it.
Want to change the law? I can obey ANY set of laws, and all that will happen
is a lot of OTHER people will wind up prosecuted by it.
Twc6
>girl.
Yet you're behaving like a BLUTO.>>
If disapproving of mental abuse of teeenagers makes me a "Bluto" then bring on
more incomprehensible gobbledygook.
<<Jamie's 18, by the way, which is a legal adult.>>
And 18, by the way, is still a "teenager," which is how I referred to her.
<<Personally, I don't see much of a difference between physical and mental
>child
>abuse, which is why I participate in neither.
Neither do I. One cannot "abuse" a child through "pure speech," at least as
the law sees it.>>
Some of don't just follow the law -- some of us think it's wrong to lust after
teenagers, even if they "legally" an adult, and some of us don't feel the need
to publically mentally abuse children, even if there is no law against it.
Bet For A Living
>teenage
>>girl.
>
>Yet you're behaving like a BLUTO.>>
>
>If disapproving of mental abuse of teeenagers makes me a "Bluto" then bring
>on
>more incomprehensible gobbledygook.
Calling someone a ditz as a form of parody is not "mental abuse."
What Bela did to his gymnasts is.
><<Jamie's 18, by the way, which is a legal adult.>>
>
>And 18, by the way, is still a "teenager," which is how I referred to her.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&threadm=19980101084001.DAA2
3185%40ladder01.news.aol.com&rnum=9&prev=/groups%3Fas_ugroup%3Dalt.sports.
gymnastics%26as_usubject%3Dchat%2520log%26num%3D100
><<Personally, I don't see much of a difference between physical and mental
>>child
>>abuse, which is why I participate in neither.
>
>Neither do I. One cannot "abuse" a child through "pure speech," at least as
>the law sees it.>>
>
>Some of don't just follow the law --
Well that's nice to know!
>some of us think it's wrong to lust
>after
>teenagers, even if they "legally" an adult,
Well, the law doesn't! Why would YOUR opinion trump that?
I'm dating an 18 year-old. Jealous?
>and some of us don't feel the
>need
>to publically mentally abuse children, even if there is no law against it.
It's not mental abuse.
Using that term is defamatory, in fact.
JGreen8301
Interesting. Have you loved her since she was 14 years old like you did with
Dominique Moceanu? pervert
Jeff Green
Bet For A Living
>
>Interesting. Have you loved her since she was 14 years old like you did with
>Dominique Moceanu? pervert
I never "loved" Dominique in that sense, but as a fan and a former abused child
who empathized with what she was going through. I guess some people whose
minds are in the gutter wouldn't understand that.
This one I do not love, not even close, so again you are way off base.
If you want to talk about perverts, look in your own circle and you'll find a
few, that's for sure.
Do you really think you're proving anything with your tirades? I was proven
right about the abuses when Moceanu ran away and you just CANNOT get over it.
Go talk to that piece of shit AMANDA STROUD and just leave me the hell alone.
Wait, wasn't she like FIFTEEN when you started talking to her, and you're what,
TWENTY-FIVE? Of course, that doesn't mean you're a pervert, but YOU went a lot
more out of your way to get access to those "elites" than I ever did. You even
WORKED FOR NEXT TO NOTHING FOR AOL to host chats. What does THAT say?
I know you don't believe me, but one day you're gonna be hauled into court for
all of this, and a few gymnasts you care about a LOT are going to be dragged
along for the ride, Mr. FIRED CHAT HOST.
You don't fool ANYONE, and with friends like you, those gymnasts don't need any
enemies.
JGreen8301
which is why you posted love notes to her, posted those roses to her and felt
so betrayed by her... riight.
>Do you really think you're proving anything with your tirades?
no, not really. It has already been proven. Thanks for asking though
>I was proven
>right about the abuses when Moceanu ran away and you just CANNOT get over it.
No you weren't. Didn't you claim it was Bela and not her father who was
abusing her?
>Wait, wasn't she like FIFTEEN when you started talking to her, and you're
>what,
>TWENTY-FIVE?
How many love notes have I posted? lol Quit projecting your life onto me.
Maybe if you realized that kids are not sexual objects you would understand it
is possible to be friends with someone.
> Of course, that doesn't mean you're a pervert, but YOU went a lot
>more out of your way to get access to those "elites" than I ever did
Oh yeah? I never went out of my way. Someone asked me if I wanted to host, I
said I guess so. I never went out of my way to gain any access which is why
you are bitter. You, on the other hand, broke AOL's terms of service time and
time again and created new accounts again and again, threatening lawsuits
against AOL too, probably, all in order to keep your "connection" to your alter
personalities.
>You even
>WORKED FOR NEXT TO NOTHING FOR AOL to host chats.
No, I worked for NOTHING. What does it say? It says that I hosted a chatroom
in which had a common interest... gymnastics. I know you have no interest in
gymnastics which is so intriguing. Why would someone frequent the gymnastics
chatroom, post endlessly on this board, and keep up with todays gymnasts if
they don't care about the sport? You are the one who is going out of their
way.
>You don't fool ANYONE
That is because I don't try to fool people, like you do.
Bet For A Living
>>I never "loved" Dominique in that sense,
>
>which is why you posted love notes to her, posted those roses to her and felt
>so betrayed by her... riight.
Many fans sent her REAL roses, even marriage proposals. Janice Ward told me
that people used to call MGI threatening suicide if they couldn't talk to her
(no joke). That was when I called to confirm something I had read about her on
AOL.
I wouldn't try to explain what it means to be a fan of someone to you, since
your mind is so in the gutter here, but hey do what you want. She has no
problem with me and that's good enough for me. Her fans are a bunch of
assholes, but she never quite felt that she was in any way responsible for
that; I felt differently.
The way you portray things is much much different from what actually happened,
and isn't even relevant to 90 percent of the defamation lodged against me.
Obviously, I knew she was being abused and told people when even she didn't
want me to. That's what you are mad about; this is just a convenient way to
attack.
Now, you want to talk about DAVE? Like it or not, you're going to have to one
day.
>>Do you really think you're proving anything with your tirades?
>
>no, not really. It has already been proven. Thanks for asking though
Nothing's been proven except my abuse allegations regarding the Moceanus. The
posts where everyone inside the sport denied it existed are still archived and
pretty clear.
Maybe you can find some ire for Brian Huggins, which would be logical if your
interests are what they say they are, given that he had a REAL LIFE
relationship with her which began when she was 15 and he was 30, but oddly you
never seem to care about that. Gee I wonder why.
>>I was proven
>>right about the abuses when Moceanu ran away and you just CANNOT get over
>it.
>
>No you weren't.
Yes, I was.
>Didn't you claim it was Bela and not her father who was
>abusing her?
It was both of them. Bela's abuses have been well-documented over the years.
Look at the country he comes from and how they coach if you want even more
proof.
>>Wait, wasn't STROUD like FIFTEEN when you started talking to her, and you're
>>what,
>>TWENTY-FIVE?
>
>How many love notes have I posted?
You went out of your way to get pretty damn close to a 15 year-old when you
were 25, did you not?
I posted FAN notes, not love notes. Not all love is sexual, but if your mind
sits in the gutter, that says more about you than me.
>lol Quit projecting your life onto me.
You couldn't handle my love life, and my women couldn't handle you.
>Maybe if you realized that kids are not sexual objects
I do realize that. Why do you keep focusing on that? Seems your mind is in an
odd place.
Can you tell us more about your photography business please?
>you would understand
>it
>is possible to be friends with someone.
A lot of your life was geared towards getting access to and respect from a
group of underage gymnasts. I never cared for such access beyond any elites I
could coach. You sat in their chats for quite a while, hosting them (until you
were FIRED), and despite warning them not to give their info to anyone, you
wind up talking to them offline.
By standard profiling measures, you're a lot more suspicious than me. Not that
you are a pervert, as I wouldn't know, but if you want to start profiling, you
have to examine yourself pretty closely.
The last thing a pervert would ever do is draw the type of attention to himself
that I drew. Just about anyone in law enforcement would tell you that.
>> Of course, that doesn't mean you're a pervert, but YOU went a lot
>>more out of your way to get access to those "elites" than I ever did
>
>Oh yeah? I never went out of my way. Someone asked me if I wanted to host,
>I
>said I guess so.
And that's how you also got into coaching? What about photography?
>I never went out of my way to gain any access which is why
>you are bitter.
Actually, neither did I. I posted ONE message on Prodigy in 1994 out of
boredom. Get your facts straight.
>You, on the other hand, broke AOL's terms of service time
>and
>time again
Actually, there are a number of fake-TOS reports which I can prove, and even
some account phishing which can be matched up with telephone records. I'll
save that for court.
TOS is a subjective policy. You're violating it out here many times with
regard to me.
>and created new accounts again and again, threatening lawsuits
>against AOL too,
Free speech is something I defend.
>probably, all in order to keep your "connection" to your
>alter
>personalities.
Your ranting is becoming incoherent now.
Then again, if you want to open the AOL can of worms, I got a lot to show
there. It's nasty stuff too.
>>You even
>>WORKED FOR NEXT TO NOTHING FOR AOL to host chats.
>
>No, I worked for NOTHING. What does it say? It says that I hosted a
>chatroom
>in which had a common interest... gymnastics. I know you have no interest in
>gymnastics which is so intriguing.
I have an interest in winning. American coaches suck. It's easy to improve a
place like that. My interest was the same interest Bill Parcells had in the
New England Patriots after he left the Giants.
>Why would someone frequent the gymnastics
>chatroom, post endlessly on this board, and keep up with todays gymnasts if
>they don't care about the sport?
Investigating an ongoing child abuse story and later defending myself against
harassment, defamation, and death threats, and acquiring evidence of same,
which I have.
The story WAS ongoing, as it turns out. I was concerned for Dominique's safety
and make no apologies for that. Turned out I had a great deal to be concerned
with, too.
>You are the one who is going out of their
>way.
Am I? Once Dominique ran away I was pretty much done with that, as the
investigation was complete. You love to ignore the obvious, don't you.
>>You don't fool ANYONE
>
>That is because I don't try to fool people, like you do.
I don't at all. You were friends with DAVE, right? Want to see HIS posting
history?
I'll save a lot of this for the RICO action. No need to spill everything here.
Twc6
>after
>teenagers, even if they "legally" an adult,
Well, the law doesn't! Why would YOUR opinion trump that?>>
Some of us hold ourselves to a higher standard than just the law. I wouldn't
call a teenage girl a name in a public forum; not because it's illegal, but
because it's just *wrong*
<<I'm dating an 18 year-old. Jealous?>>
No. Nauseous.
JGreen8301
Yeah, how many were 30 year old men who comment on her sexual habits and call
her every name under the sun?
>You went out of your way to get pretty damn close to a 15 year-old when you
>were 25, did you not?
No I didn't. I don't go out of my way to get close to anyone, and am certainly
not close to any elite gymnast. Friends with some? Yeah, but not
close..especially in the way you are inferring.
>You couldn't handle my love life,
You are right. I am not good at handling STD's.
>Can you tell us more about your photography business please?
Can you enlighten me on what business that might be? Ray here had informed me
that he sent an underaged model to me to photograph and she told him of very
interesting things. He failed to realize I haven't done any photography work
in years. What kind of photography do I do, Ray? I do weddings, bridal
photography, nature photography, sports photography. I broke my camera out for
nationals after giving it a rest for ages. Ray, you are a moron. You have
nothing and you know it. lol
>A lot of your life was geared towards getting access to and respect from a
>group of underage gymnasts.
None of my life was geared that way. lol Someone asked and I accepted a
hosting job. You fail to realize I had a job to do and I did it. The time I
spent in the chatroom hosting was time I was scheduled to be in there. lol
> and despite warning them not to give their info to anyone, you
>wind up talking to them offline.
I talk to a lot of people offline, so what?
>And that's how you also got into coaching?
No
>What about photography?
I have been a photographer for over 10 years Ray. Strike three and you are
OUT!
>Free speech is something I defend
Free speech does NOT apply to an ISP, moron. You are agreeing to the ISP's
terms of service when you establish an account. That means you agree to follow
THEIR RULES. ISP's are business's.
>Am I? Once Dominique ran away I was pretty much done with that, as the
>investigation was complete
Is that why you started posting hateful messages to her on USENET? Because you
were finished with it?
Pokey
I have to say something here.
Jamie as good as she was in 2000 is so much better. When I first saw her
years ago she had one thing going for her and that was power. As she
worked her way into the Olympics she gained a tremendous amount of
balance. She did everything but stick the landings. But after a short
time at UCLA under Kundos (am sure I spelled her name wrong) she has
developed her full ability. She is a complete gymnasts. She is a medal
contender. Weather she can maintain her health for the next three years
is questionable as it is with everyone in a sport that can take you out
so quickly. I don't know why Jamie needed to hear Bela tell her what she
should already know. My advice for everyone wanting to be on the team is
to not believe in Bela believe in yourself.
Michael P. Reed
> in years. What kind of photography do I do, Ray? I do weddings, bridal
> photography, nature photography,
Key word here is "nature." He whom exhibits hebephilic and pedophilic
tendencies interprets it in a another manner.
> sports photography. I broke my camera out
> for
> nationals after giving it a rest for ages.
You have a Rebel right? Which model? Mine just broke, and after several years
without one, I finally went out and bought Rebel G. Haven't had a chance to
use it yet though. Probably will break it in on some preteens. <g>
> Ray, you are a moron. You have
> nothing and you know it. lol
Debating the insane is the path to nowhere.
Oops. C.P. was doing very well right up until the FX.
--
Regards,
Michael P. Reed
JGreen8301
Thank you for pointing that out! Nature photography is photographing nature.
ie: flowers, plants, things from MOTHER NATURE!
>You have a Rebel right? Which model?
Canon EOS Rebel II. I have nothing but good things to day about it. When I
was looking at them some 8 years ago, my photography teacher said I should look
into Nikon, but they are generally a little more pricey. This has done the job
and then some. The one concern I have is in having an older camera while
looking to place new larger zoom lenses on it. I may end up having to upgrade
it.
Bet For A Living
Bet For A Living [1:32 PM]: Now Amanda's her best friend and we're supposed
to believe she had no knowledge of this for all those years.
Bet For A Living [1:32 PM]: Dominique isn't happy because she made a wrong
turn with the truth.
Bet For A Living [1:33 PM]: She doesn't have faith in the truth.
USAGOLD1 [1:33 PM]: it's not something you talk about--most people hide it
and Amanda didn't know anything till after the Olympics they weren't friends
then and still not best friends more just friends.
Bet For A Living [1:34 PM]: Still that's two years before it went public.
USAGOLD1 [1:34 PM]: well it's not something you bring up
It IS something you bring up if you don't want a child abused.....
JGreen8301
>
Okay then, moron. You claim to know about all the abuse in the sport so who
have you reported and what are the case numbers? It IS something you bring up
if you don't want a child abused so answer. You failed to answer when anyone
asks for case numbers. You also state that only a family member can report
said abuse (which is a lie).