America's team, the Dallas Cowboys, a 1960 team like the NE Patriots is, has been much more successful. Leads in Super Bowl wins 5-0.
gravero...@yahoo.com
inception of these 2 teams in 1960. The Cowboys were a very good team
within 8 years of inception, whereas it took the Patriots 4 decades to
become "good" - and then only with the use of illegal taping that
arrived to the Patriots at the same time that Bill Belichick did.
The Cowboys have also had a lot better accounting for themselves than
the Patriots have in the post-season.
Even if you did give the whiners and the cheesers of the Patriots
their wish, and include those tainted super bowl "wins" of the
Bellicheat years, the Cowboys still lead 5-3*. Yeah, and that '*'
goes along with the 3, as ALL of you here so well know. Any of the
years that Bill Bellicheat has been with the Patriots that have
included that illegal taping are tainted years, and that includes the
2007 season. Hopefully the Patriots can have the wherewithal to not
succumb to the temptation (or is it need on their part) to cheat,
starting afresh in 2008 so that their fans can feel comfortable and
proud of their team again, before the greatest sports scandal since
the 1950s, and caused by the NE Patriots raised its ugly head.
And this we hope, in God's name... Amen!
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
<gravero...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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You're kidding right?
You really think it was that big of a scandal?
That would figure. Patriot haters are everywhere, but that's only because
The Pats have kicked their opponents collective ass for what some deem to be
much too long, an eternity in fact, while others can't wait for the next
Patriot title.
Me, I hope the roll continues, and further rankles football fans not wise to
the ways of Patriot Nation and it's master, Bill Belichek!
Patriots Rule!!
everon...@yahoo.com
<quarryme...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> <graverobber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ummmmmm..... doctor o'bougie... you didn't address some of the
original assertions... 1) about how much longer the cowboys have been
than the patriots 2) the resulting far better record on the parts than
the cowboys 3) that the cowboys never had a super bowl win tainted
like the patriots have, because all the the patriot super bowl "wins"
were while belichick has been there and they had been taping the whole
time they had been under belichick until they got stone cold busted in
the 1st regular season game of the 2007 year, against the jets, which
means the 2000 thru 2007 years under belichick were all
tainted.......
naw.... you chose not to try to answer any of those very valid, and
yes, oh so very correct, assertions. leave it to a patriot fan like
you though... we know how selective you guys can be.... how narrow
your interpretations can be.....
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
<everon...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I chose not to answer the repetitive drivel presented to a Patriots
newsgroup. The same type of nonsense you attacked me with, because obviouly
you have no life..
I guess for all you losers that hate the Pats it's the same old story, just
a different day!
cake_and_...@yahoo.com
<quarryme...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> <everonlyn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
oh, they are still going to be illegally taping? thanks for the heads
up!
MZ
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>were while belichick has been there and they had been taping the whole
>time they had been under belichick until they got stone cold busted in
>the 1st regular season game of the 2007 year, against the jets, which
>means the 2000 thru 2007 years under belichick were all
>tainted.......
Actually, it means the 2000 through 2006 wins were "tainted" by whatever was
gained from illegal videotaping.
American Patriot
> <everonlyn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
which means that each and every year of their illegality (2000 to
2007) necessitates an asterisk. yes, it is true that they have not
won any super bowls, because those "victories" were ill-begotten. the
entire 2007 season was tainted by them FINALLY being caught in the
first game of the 2007 regular season versus the Jets. sure, many
Pats fans want to try to write if off, saying the Jets were not such a
tough adversary anyway. if that truly WAS the case, then why would
the Pats feel it necessary to illegally tape the Jets as they had been
taping all of their adversaries since the arrival of the evil, fat,
sinnin', lyin', double chinned Bill Belichick?
to FURTHER refine their illegal taping habits? why of
course............
MZ
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> On Jul 23, 1:48 pm, "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> <everonlyn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:60d14b0d-bae7-4834...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >were while belichick has been there and they had been taping the whole
>> >time they had been under belichick until they got stone cold busted in
>> >the 1st regular season game of the 2007 year, against the jets, which
>> >means the 2000 thru 2007 years under belichick were all
>> >tainted.......
>>
>> Actually, it means the 2000 through 2006 wins were "tainted" by whatever
>> was
>> gained from illegal videotaping.
>
> which means that each and every year of their illegality (2000 to
> 2007) necessitates an asterisk.
I think you misread my post. 2000 to 2006, not 2000 to 2007.
> yes, it is true that they have not
> won any super bowls,
No, that's false.
> because those "victories" were ill-begotten.
No they weren't.
> the
> entire 2007 season was tainted by them FINALLY being caught in the
> first game of the 2007 regular season versus the Jets. sure, many
> Pats fans want to try to write if off, saying the Jets were not such a
> tough adversary anyway.
No, it's "written off" by virtue of the fact that they did not get the
opportunity to use the tape in that game. So yes, they broke the rules in
that game, but an advantage was not gained. "Asterisking" an entire season
because of it makes no sense, except to those who realize that their
favorite teams probably don't have a shot against the Patriots without
looking for technicalities.
> if that truly WAS the case, then why would
> the Pats feel it necessary to illegally tape the Jets as they had been
> taping all of their adversaries since the arrival of the evil, fat,
> sinnin', lyin', double chinned Bill Belichick?
I don't know. And neither do you.
Mattu
Patriot's Nation
EMBRACE THE HATE IN 08
Is that all you've got?
sautee...@yahoo.com
> "American Patriot" <SincereQuestio...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Matt Walsh said they did. The NFL brass had earlier destroyed the
evidence, and said all was ok. The US Department of Justice disgreed,
and had a chat with the NFL brass about it. Topics discussed were
obstruction of justice and collusion.
'Nuff said!
sautee...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
The NE Patriots, who essentially have been morally bankrupt since
Belichick took the helm as coach, now have a "second chance", have a
"clean slate". You guys try not to mess it up. If the NFL front
office is not watching your "loaf of white bread" front office, you
can make sure the US Department of Justice is.
See, there was a scandal years ago that was a betting scandal. And,
during that scandal, the point spreads contributed to the betting
scandal. Soooo.... expect to be watched very, very closely for many,
many years to come.
Don't mess it up this time, will you?
Venger
> Dallas has a much better won loss regular season record since the
> inception of these 2 teams in 1960.
Oh good, I was afraid this shit wasn't crossposted to such interested
groups as alt.gossip.whatevah and the mental deviancy magnet that much
be alt.conspiracy.
Thanks for making our lives just a little worse today...
Venger
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
<sautee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It's realy too bad you are so predisposed with the Patriots. Yoy don't even
have a life of your own. You spend all your time in the Patriots NG
rehashing this same old tired bullshit, time after time, post after post.
It's kinda fun watching you meltdown over the Patriots. You must have the IQ
of a grape!
'Nuff said!
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
<sautee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oh puhleeeze!
Grow up!
MZ
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On Jul 25, 3:17 pm, "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> "American Patriot" <SincereQuestio...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > the Pats feel it necessary to illegally tape the Jets as they had been
>> > taping all of their adversaries since the arrival of the evil, fat,
>> > sinnin', lyin', double chinned Bill Belichick?
>>
>> I don't know. And neither do you.- Hide quoted text -
>
>evidence, and said all was ok.
No, Matt Walsh said nothing about why they felt it was necessary to
illegally tape the Jets.
>The US Department of Justice disgreed,
>and had a chat with the NFL brass about it. Topics discussed were
>obstruction of justice and collusion.
No they didn't. You just made that up. [Like you did last time, and were
unable to provide a reference for.]
>'Nuff said!
From you, hopefully that's true.
Mattu
I bet you write fan fiction too.
sautee...@yahoo.com
Them using the tapes was an ongoing thing. Do you really think the
Patsies would go to the trouble to illegally tape if they were not
going to use it as the gained the information, the little Nazis that
the Patsie management and coaching staff are. A little further below,
sir, you try to indicate that someone else does not know, and that
neither do you.
When in fact is it only you in that post who is clueless. But then
that apparently is one of prerequisite of being a Pats fan.... the
ends justify the means, the means justify the ends.
>So yes, they broke the rules in
> that game, but an advantage was not gained. "Asterisking" an entire season
> because of it makes no sense, except to those who realize that their
> favorite teams probably don't have a shot against the Patriots without
> looking for technicalities.
>
> > if that truly WAS the case, then why would
> > the Pats feel it necessary to illegally tape the Jets as they had been
> > taping all of their adversaries since the arrival of the evil, fat,
> > sinnin', lyin', double chinned Bill Belichick?
>
> I don't know. And neither do you.- Hide quoted text -
sautee...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <sauteedshr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Quite a bit of you as pot calling the kettle black, as it were, Dr.
Winston O'Boogie......
>
> 'Nuff said!- Hide quoted text -
MZ
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<<Them using the tapes was an ongoing thing. Do you really think the
Patsies would go to the trouble to illegally tape if they were not
going to use it as the gained the information, the little Nazis that
the Patsie management and coaching staff are. A little further below,
sir, you try to indicate that someone else does not know, and that
neither do you.
When in fact is it only you in that post who is clueless. But then
that apparently is one of prerequisite of being a Pats fan.... the
ends justify the means, the means justify the ends.>>
Why do you and your ilk continue to insist that I think they were not using
the tapes? OF COURSE they were using the tapes. But you imbeciles seem to
actually believe that after "spygate" broke, Patriots opponents continued to
use the same signals! How stupid do you think professional football teams
are? Are you actually saying that the opponents thought that taping gave
the Patriots an advantage, yet REFUSED to change their signals? I would
have thought that ven you couldn't be that stupid, but that appears to be
exactly what you're saying.
MZ
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> On 02 Aug 2008, sautee...@yahoo.com posted some
>> When in fact is it only you in that post who is clueless. But then
>> that apparently is one of prerequisite of being a Pats fan.... the
>> ends justify the means, the means justify the ends.
>
> would be better if that witch burning bunch of morons fell into a giant
> sinkhole.
Yet I'd still be alive.
You may find this hard to believe, but some people out there actually follow
teams whose arbitrary city designation is outside their home state. I
realize that you'll eat whatever your local networks force feed you, and
"pledge allegiance" to the inevitably bitter end. But not all of us do.
The funny part is that even after all that, you'll still call others
"sheep".
triba_...@yahoo.com
> <sauteedshr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I don't recall anyone stating, or not stating, that the teams kept
their same plays. It is pretty certain they did not. You FINALLY get
one right, MZ! A lot of us think that since the Pats were so very
good at deception and deceit that they continued to tape, and just
were very, very careful not to get caught any more. Could it be, is
there any, any chance at all, that they DID tape after getting stone
cold busted in that first regular season game of the 2007 season? The
last "season of taint"?
triba_...@yahoo.com
If you don't like it Venger, you know where the door is, and you can
pick it up and leave, bubba!
MZ
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>> Why do you and your ilk continue to insist that I think they were not
>> using
>> the tapes? OF COURSE they were using the tapes. But you imbeciles seem to
>> actually believe that after "spygate" broke, Patriots opponents continued
>> to
>> use the same signals! How stupid do you think professional football teams
>> are? Are you actually saying that the opponents thought that taping gave
>> the Patriots an advantage, yet REFUSED to change their signals? I would
>> have thought that ven you couldn't be that stupid, but that appears to be
>> exactly what you're saying.
>
>I don't recall anyone stating, or not stating, that the teams kept
>their same plays. It is pretty certain they did not. You FINALLY get
>one right, MZ! A lot of us think that since the Pats were so very
>good at deception and deceit that they continued to tape, and just
>were very, very careful not to get caught any more. Could it be, is
>there any, any chance at all, that they DID tape after getting stone
>cold busted in that first regular season game of the 2007 season? The
>last "season of taint"?
Anything's possible. But there was way too much to lose if they got caught
again. With every journalist's eyes scanning the sidelines in every game in
the hopes of breaking the story, I highly doubt they took the chance.
gravero...@yahoo.com
> <triba_la_r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Cough, cough.... what exactly do they have to lose, MZ? All it cost
them for 7 years (2000 thru 2006) and one game (2007) - by your count
anyways - is a $500,000 fine for Belichick and a $250,000 fine for the
Patriots.
Discarded evidence by the NFL front office, Senator Arlen Specter of
the Senate Judiciary Committee getting involved to some degree because
of that fact.......
Doesn't seem like too high a price to pay for a 91-37 regular season
record, a 14-3 playoff record, 3 super bowls, 4 AFC championships
since 2000.
Naw, not at all... cough, cough.... cough, cough, cough!
Primordial Ooze
<quarryme...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> <graverobber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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dumbass, they won each of their super bowls by 3 points. They were a
wild card one of those years. In what paralell universe is that
kicking ass? Too funny.
gravero...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Plus, don't forget the Patirots cheated in all of those games. In
every game, fact is - preseason, regular season, playoff, and Super
Bowl - game they played from 2000 through the 2006 season. There is
some varying of thoughts by Patriot fans and the fans of other teams
about just how much of their 2007 season was tainted as well. It well
appears that the Patriots were willing to continue going about taping
for a very long time - and possibly forever.
"anythiing that is less than the complete truth is a total lie" -
Grandmama Agnes
Husky
http://forums.superiorpics.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1056173457/Main/1056173363
Q: Did you ever steal signals?
JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.
Q: Via video, Jimmy? Or no?
JJ: Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in
the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your
time, because you’re going to play the other team the second time
around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.
gravero...@yahoo.com
> http://forums.superiorpics.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1...
>
> Q: Did you ever steal signals?
>
> JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.
>
> Q: Via video, Jimmy? Or no?
>
> JJ: Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in
> the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your
> time, because you’re going to play the other team the second time
> around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.
I have a few problems with the cite to the article.
************************ excerpt from the article
*******************************
Jimmy Johnson thinks Spygate is overblown
We originally posted this WFAN interview as having been conducted
during Super Bowl week. It actually dates back to September.
Regardless, it’s still interesting to note how commonplace former
Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson feels the use of cameras is by NFL teams.
He admits he used them to steal signs all the time.
Q: How about the spying thing Jimmy. You’re a coach does that bother
you what Belichick did?
JJ: Oh please. I’ve said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout
for the Chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do
is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller
and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they’re not on
the press box side you can’t do it from the press box, you have to do
it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago.
**************************************************************************************
what is a bit troubling about the WFAN article - no 'dateline stamp" -
sure, there is a reference there that WFAN basically lied about the
article, but making it look like it happened during Super Bowl week,
but actually happened in September. September? 2007 it appears, but
it the reader is left to ascertain whether the information in this
article is true or not....
as stated on this page, a link you are taken to
Patriots beat writer John Tomase joined the Herald in 2005 after six
years covering the Red Sox. A Mansfield native and Tufts grad, he grew
up during the Steve Grogan era and is coming around on this Brady guy,
even though he'll always have a soft spot for No. 14 and his neck
roll.
Boston Herald Patriots Beat Columnist Michael Felger can be heard
weekdays, 4-7 p.m., on AM-890, ESPN.
he's a frickin' blogger, got that title beside his frogolodyte face
on his blog page, which is
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/patriots/?p=2202&srvc=home&position=recent
"lies, just damned lies"
Tom Brady Drops Soap
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>> http://forums.superiorpics.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1.
>> ..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> *******************************
>
>
> you what Belichick did?
>
>
> ***********************************************************************
> ***************
>
>
>
> roll.
>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/patriots/?p=2202&srvc=home&pos
> ition=recent
>
> "lies, just damned lies"
>
If the patriots* were involved, you know they cheated.
MZ
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>Cough, cough.... what exactly do they have to lose, MZ? All it cost
>them for 7 years (2000 thru 2006) and one game (2007) - by your count
>anyways - is a $500,000 fine for Belichick and a $250,000 fine for the
>Patriots.
No, it cost them a first round draft pick. You should pay closer attention.
A repeat offense would likely mean major suspensions and probably more draft
picks lost. And more bad PR, which hits the team in the wallet a lot harder
than fines.
>Discarded evidence by the NFL front office, Senator Arlen Specter of
>the Senate Judiciary Committee getting involved to some degree because
>of that fact.......
No, he got involved because he's first and foremost an Eagles fan, and a
senator second. His colleagues quickly told him to cut the shit because it
was unimportant to the country and frankly an abuse of power.
Tom Brady Drops Soap
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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You're full of shit.
MZ
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>dumbass, they won each of their super bowls by 3 points. They were a
>wild card one of those years. In what paralell universe is that
>kicking ass? Too funny.
In what way isn't it? They've been major contenders in every year except
'02, have 3 lombardis, 4 AFC championships, the all-time longest winning
streak ('03-'04), the all-time longest single-season winning streak ('07),
and the best win-loss record of the decade.
But no, they haven't kicked ass.
gravero...@yahoo.com
> <graverobber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Just where is the link you present between the Eagles, of the NFC
East, and your team the Pats, from the AFC?
MZ
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You haven't been following the story at all, have you?
You don't remember Specter bringing up anything having to do with the
Patriots illegally videotaping his beloved Eagles? [Here's a hint: they
played a game against each other in '04, and it was a kinda important
one...]
gravero...@yahoo.com
> <graverobber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
That was only one of the many 'talking points' he had....
What with the Pats taping in what, 112 regular season games from 2000
until they were finally caught in the first regular season game of
2007.
Ok', we'll be generous... and give them a 15-113* regular season and
1-16* post season record from 2000 thru 2007. also 0-3* in Super
Bowls, and 1-3* in AFC conference titles....
'*' = team was illegally taping during this time, and it cannot be
ascertained what competitive advantage they gained as a result of that
fact.
MZ
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>That was only one of the many 'talking points' he had....
>
>What with the Pats taping in what, 112 regular season games from 2000
>until they were finally caught in the first regular season game of
>2007.
>
>Ok', we'll be generous... and give them a 15-113* regular season and
>1-16* post season record from 2000 thru 2007. also 0-3* in Super
>Bowls, and 1-3* in AFC conference titles....
Whatever makes you feel better about your team. I guess that's the only way
you can view them as a success, because we both sure as hell know that they
can't do it on the field.
>'*' = team was illegally taping during this time, and it cannot be
>ascertained what competitive advantage they gained as a result of that
>fact.
Sounds to me like you've already decided that the advantage they gained
prevented them from losing 113 games. Quit talking out of both sides of
your mouth.
American Patriot
> On 02 Aug 2008, graverobber...@yahoo.com posted somenews:f8c9c302-d7d8-486d...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
> he'll just bend over and pull something out of his ass the way he always
> does.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
*glancing thru the haze*
"is that you, mattu?"