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Airyx
Apr 30, 2013, 12:44:31 PM4/30/13
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There have been folks bothered by the fact that the 'skins did no draft a WR.
Yes, when you look at these guys, you don't see a Fitzgerald or a Megatron. You don't see a White / Jones combination, but what you DO see is a VERY effective passing game.
Lets look at last year.
-The 'skins didn't throw very often (3rd fewest attempts in the league).
-The team's completion % was very high at 66%, that's about 6th in the league despite two rookie QBs.
-The average per pass attempt was the best in the league at 8.3 yards
-The only game in which the WRs were a let-down was against the Steelers
You can't say the group as a whole was anything but successful.
How does a team so lacking in talent perform so well? How is it that on almost every passing play there is somebody running free?
It is because the whole is better than the individual parts, and Kyle does a great job of taking advantage of that.
Garcon is pretty good all the way around. Kyle can use him for just about anything. No fear across the middle, the speed to push the safeties back, tight enough routes to get open enough to move the chains.
Morgan is really good at finding the space between zones, and is fast enough to sometimes stretch the D. If the defense decides to run mostly zone against the 'skins, Morgan will have a good day. Lock him up man-to-man with press coverage, then he has a bad day.
By contrast, Moss breaks on the ball so quickly, that there is no way to cover him man-to-man out of the slot, and he is fearless across the middle. The only way to deal with him is to drop a LB into the throwing lane...but then you are playing into Morgan's strength. Also, Moss is at his best when he is flanked near Davis and/or stacked behind Morgan.
Hankerson has a huge catch radius, and is excellent in the boundary. If you want to go man, you need a bigger CB to do it, if you want to go zone, you need to be wary of size mis-matches. Either way, he has shown that if you take away his underneath route, he still has enough speed to go vertical. His only real problem is that, despite his size, he doesn't catch well in traffic. That's okay, Kyle has Garcon and Moss to do that.
Davis is a match-up nightmare. Too fast for LBs, too big for CBs. This means he gets a lot of attention from safeties, which then works to the advantage of whatever speed WR is on his side. Plus, he is really good a chipping, and going.
Lets not forget Robinson. His routes are awful, and his hands are a bit questionable, but that kid can fly. When he is on the field, he is either going to create space for an underneath route, or be all by himself running behind the defense.
Now there is the new TE, who, if he pans-out, will be another mis-match for LBs and CBs.
Kyle is very good at applying this diverse set of abilities to passing concepts that get SOMEBODY open on every play. RG3 has shown that he gets it, knows from his pre-snap read where the open guy will probably be, and then makes the correct post-snap read to give himself the easy, non-forced throw.
At the end of the day, NFL passing offense works better if you have three or four guys with four to six catches each, instead of one guy with dozen. Tom Brady has demonstrated that for a decade now.
Oh, one more thing. Every one of them blocks very well. This is probably the one thing that makes Kyle like these guys more than anything else. How does a back as slow as Morris get nine 20+ yard runs on the year? WRs blocking downfield. Have you seen Megatron try to block somebody?
Yes, when you look at these guys, you don't see a Fitzgerald or a Megatron. You don't see a White / Jones combination, but what you DO see is a VERY effective passing game.
Lets look at last year.
-The 'skins didn't throw very often (3rd fewest attempts in the league).
-The team's completion % was very high at 66%, that's about 6th in the league despite two rookie QBs.
-The average per pass attempt was the best in the league at 8.3 yards
-The only game in which the WRs were a let-down was against the Steelers
You can't say the group as a whole was anything but successful.
How does a team so lacking in talent perform so well? How is it that on almost every passing play there is somebody running free?
It is because the whole is better than the individual parts, and Kyle does a great job of taking advantage of that.
Garcon is pretty good all the way around. Kyle can use him for just about anything. No fear across the middle, the speed to push the safeties back, tight enough routes to get open enough to move the chains.
Morgan is really good at finding the space between zones, and is fast enough to sometimes stretch the D. If the defense decides to run mostly zone against the 'skins, Morgan will have a good day. Lock him up man-to-man with press coverage, then he has a bad day.
By contrast, Moss breaks on the ball so quickly, that there is no way to cover him man-to-man out of the slot, and he is fearless across the middle. The only way to deal with him is to drop a LB into the throwing lane...but then you are playing into Morgan's strength. Also, Moss is at his best when he is flanked near Davis and/or stacked behind Morgan.
Hankerson has a huge catch radius, and is excellent in the boundary. If you want to go man, you need a bigger CB to do it, if you want to go zone, you need to be wary of size mis-matches. Either way, he has shown that if you take away his underneath route, he still has enough speed to go vertical. His only real problem is that, despite his size, he doesn't catch well in traffic. That's okay, Kyle has Garcon and Moss to do that.
Davis is a match-up nightmare. Too fast for LBs, too big for CBs. This means he gets a lot of attention from safeties, which then works to the advantage of whatever speed WR is on his side. Plus, he is really good a chipping, and going.
Lets not forget Robinson. His routes are awful, and his hands are a bit questionable, but that kid can fly. When he is on the field, he is either going to create space for an underneath route, or be all by himself running behind the defense.
Now there is the new TE, who, if he pans-out, will be another mis-match for LBs and CBs.
Kyle is very good at applying this diverse set of abilities to passing concepts that get SOMEBODY open on every play. RG3 has shown that he gets it, knows from his pre-snap read where the open guy will probably be, and then makes the correct post-snap read to give himself the easy, non-forced throw.
At the end of the day, NFL passing offense works better if you have three or four guys with four to six catches each, instead of one guy with dozen. Tom Brady has demonstrated that for a decade now.
Oh, one more thing. Every one of them blocks very well. This is probably the one thing that makes Kyle like these guys more than anything else. How does a back as slow as Morris get nine 20+ yard runs on the year? WRs blocking downfield. Have you seen Megatron try to block somebody?
Walter Bushell
Apr 30, 2013, 2:48:54 PM4/30/13
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In article <2f463bd6-1de5-461c...@googlegroups.com>,
. .. Remember he's a late round pick and hence cheap.
Anyway as it is, if he's in the game the opponent must defend him,
probably with their fastest DB.
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Airyx <ewei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lets not forget Robinson. His routes are awful, and his hands are a bit
> questionable, but that kid can fly. When he is on the field, he is either
> going to create space for an underneath route, or be all by himself running
> behind the defense.
This is my point, if the coaches can get him through those problems .
> Lets not forget Robinson. His routes are awful, and his hands are a bit
> questionable, but that kid can fly. When he is on the field, he is either
> going to create space for an underneath route, or be all by himself running
> behind the defense.
. .. Remember he's a late round pick and hence cheap.
Anyway as it is, if he's in the game the opponent must defend him,
probably with their fastest DB.
--
Gambling with Other People's Money is the meth of the fiscal industry.
me -- in the spirit of Karl and Groucho Marx
sbsde...@gmail.com
Apr 30, 2013, 4:27:49 PM4/30/13
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Great analysis. Other than Garcon and Davis who are upper tier receivers, it seems to be a receiving by committee approach that works pretty darn well. Would like to see them get a speedy third down back with good hands (maybe it will be Chris Thompson) to add to the mix if Helu isnt 100%.
Airyx
Apr 30, 2013, 5:22:16 PM4/30/13
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On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:27:49 PM UTC-5, sbsde...@gmail.com wrote:
> Great analysis. Other than Garcon and Davis who are upper tier receivers, it seems to be a receiving by committee approach that works pretty darn well. Would like to see them get a speedy third down back with good hands (maybe it will be Chris Thompson) to add to the mix if Helu isnt 100%.
Helu is an excellent change of pace (CoP) back, but not a very good 3rd down back.
> Great analysis. Other than Garcon and Davis who are upper tier receivers, it seems to be a receiving by committee approach that works pretty darn well. Would like to see them get a speedy third down back with good hands (maybe it will be Chris Thompson) to add to the mix if Helu isnt 100%.
He has good hands, good speed, and is great at weaving through open space. This makes him great on pitches and screens. I would love to see that triple option again, but with Helu instead of Morgan.
He is a terrible blocker. For whatever reason, he has never been able to anticipate where the protection will be overloaded, and often moves in the wrong direction, then is too late to come back and save the sack. Even when he does block the correct guy, he isn't very effective. The 3rd down back has to be a great blocker first, receiver second.
sbsde...@gmail.com
Apr 30, 2013, 9:05:09 PM4/30/13
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Speaking of receivers, here is an interesting prospect who is an UDFA with the Skins:
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/redskins-to-give-jarboe-an-opportunity-in-mini-camp/
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/redskins-to-give-jarboe-an-opportunity-in-mini-camp/
45...@mydaja.com
May 2, 2013, 7:26:56 PM5/2/13
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:44:31 -0700 (PDT), Airyx <ewei...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>At the end of the day, NFL passing offense works better if you have three or four guys with four to six catches each, instead of one guy with dozen. Tom Brady has demonstrated that for a decade now.
>
>Oh, one more thing. Every one of them blocks very well. This is probably the one thing that makes Kyle like these guys more than anything else. How does a back as slow as Morris get nine 20+ yard runs on the year? WRs blocking downfield. Have you seen Megatron try to block somebody?
Excellent point!!!! Having a variety of offense attacks, is much
better then waiting for 1 open receiver. Granted the height factor
really helps Megatron. Hard to defend.
wrote:
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>At the end of the day, NFL passing offense works better if you have three or four guys with four to six catches each, instead of one guy with dozen. Tom Brady has demonstrated that for a decade now.
>
>Oh, one more thing. Every one of them blocks very well. This is probably the one thing that makes Kyle like these guys more than anything else. How does a back as slow as Morris get nine 20+ yard runs on the year? WRs blocking downfield. Have you seen Megatron try to block somebody?
better then waiting for 1 open receiver. Granted the height factor
really helps Megatron. Hard to defend.
Valjean
May 10, 2013, 5:54:01 PM5/10/13
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On May 2, 7:26 pm, 4...@mydaja.com wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:44:31 -0700 (PDT), Airyx <ewein...@gmail.com>
Yes, with all that fulsome praise Airyx keep dishing out, I keep
wondering too how we keep missing out on those Super Bowls. He's sort
of like Rex Grossman that one year he was anointed the starter,
though; he overstates it, somehow there's no context keeping it all
together.
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:44:31 -0700 (PDT), Airyx <ewein...@gmail.com>
wondering too how we keep missing out on those Super Bowls. He's sort
of like Rex Grossman that one year he was anointed the starter,
though; he overstates it, somehow there's no context keeping it all
together.
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