ot yeah these guys werent christian fanatics....
bozak
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bozak, the real OG...
before, 818, 323, 310, when it was only 213...
leave a voice mail @ 901.205.0886
orwell
in message news:sT4Ee.11697$k_.4162@trnddc07...
> http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
ah, yes, how could anyone forget?
not only was hitler a devout sincere christian who
loved jesus with all his heart, but der führer was
also a kind and benevolent friend of the jews.
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html
http://tinyurl.com/bmrdj
of course, it has long been suspected that hitler
himself was part jewish. http://tinyurl.com/bpzmg
NZDude
" bozak" <boz...@gmail.cm(addtheOtoCOM)> wrote in message
news:sT4Ee.11697$k_.4162@trnddc07...
> http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
>
> --
> bozak
Quotes taken from the website:
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html
However also worth checking out in this debate is:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/doug_krueger/copin.html
Quotes Establishing Hitler's Non-Christianity
Hitler may in public have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records
of his private conversations show otherwise. Many of these were recorded by
his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf
Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953). I have lifted the text of
these from the soc.religion.christian newsgroup's Hitler FAQ.
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of
Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are
inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was
introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the
soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against
nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic
cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When
understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine
will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why
someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die
little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in
conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was
that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
21st October, 1941, midday
"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the
destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was
never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this
work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same
old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of
Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the
instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed
into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we
shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p
63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine
nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the
Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe
transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and
Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the
only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)
14th December, 1941, midday
"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis
between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's
possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned
with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the
annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism,
under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner
"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday
"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a
man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his
imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself
deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come
personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the
disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't...
behold <its demise>." (p 278)
Leonard
"NZDude" <nzd...@REMOVETHISihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:dbs0rr$82p$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
So is Bozak Hitler, or is Skeptic Hitler? I think two Hitlers on one
newsgroup is more than plenty, considering Samuel X. Fleisher will be back
here in a week.
skepticl1
Faith Based Madness and Christian Fascism. There is a well know photo
of Bush with a Cross and hailo coming out from behind his head, in back
of him as he speaks to a Christian audience. The photos are carefully
planned and framed to be released to the public.
.
skepticl1
records
of his private conversations show otherwise.>>
Thanks for providing these excerpts.
This is an untrue statement. Eric Zuess published a book based on
Hilter's personal writings (which had previously been covered up
because the implications were so shocking). Hitler was a sincere and
devote Christian. He based his anti-Semitism on correcty interpreted
passages from the Bible. He could quote the Bible the way the Ayatollah
Kohmeini could quote the Koran.
skepticl1
<<So is Bozak Hitler, or is Skeptic Hitler? I think two Hitlers on one
newsgroup is more than plenty, considering Samuel X. Fleisher will be
back
here in a week>>
Hilter was an arch Capitalist, a religious fanatic, maybe the most
famous racist in world history, women in Hitler's world were reduced to
being breeders and family servants (just like Bush would like to do to
women in the USA). He was the ultimate traditionalist.
You are into religion and tradition Leonard. What makes you different
than Der Furher?
Bozak and I are the opposite of Hitler.
Subj: Differences between "Hitler's Germany" and "Stalinist Russia"
Date: 01/15/98
In Bob Avakian's book "Democracy: Can't We Do Better Than That?" he
writes:
speaking to the profound differences between "Hitler's Germany" and
"Stalinist Russia":
"[T]hroughout this period, Germany was and remained nothing other than
a bourgeois imperialist state, though it ruled at home not in the
"classical" form of bourgeois democracy but through a fascist--an
openly terroristic--form of bourgeois dictatorship. (As opposed to the
phony voting form of bourgeois dictatorship like we have in the
U.S.--Bill) And, on the other hand, throughout this period the Soviet
Union was and remained a socialist state, a dictatorship of the
proletariat, although serious errors--it is not an exaggeration (or
gratuitous) to say grievous errors--were made in how this dictatorship
was carried out and the socialist system defended and extended."
"This takes us back to the fundamental point underscored earlier: with
all the peculiariteis of Nazi Germany (including the "deviations" from
"classical" capitalist economic policies), the underlying production
relations, the division of labor, and the dynamics of accumulation were
all those of capitalism, particuarly capitalism in its imperialist
stage; whereas in the Soviet Union in the same period, with all the
difficulties encountered and mistakes made in carrying out and carrying
forward the socialist transformation of society, the underlying
production relations, the division of labor, and the accumulation
process were those of socialism..."
Next, the article goes into fundamental criticism of Stalinist Russia,
"...certain real errors committed in "the Stalin period": a too
extensive reliance on the secret police, rather than primary reliance
on the conscious activism of the masses, to identify and suppress
counterrevolutionaries; the mixing up of two fundamentally different
types of contradictions (those between the people and the enemy and
those among the people themselves), so that the target of repression
became too broad and a certain "chill" set in among the people,
actually undermining their ability to carry forward the class struggle
against the old, and particularly against newborn, exploiters; some
excesses in the struggle for the collectivization of agriculture; and
along with this--and particularly as part of the inner-part struggles
that were a crucial aspect of the overall struggle in society--some
rather crude rewriting of history..."
In the west there has been attempts to deny the fact that there were
fundamental antagonism between "Stalinist Russia" and "Nazi Germany" or
between the Soviet communists and the Nazis. When in fact the roots of
the Second World War lay in the redivision of the world in 1918. The
interwar period was just that--a truce which would, of necessity, be
broken. Avaikian goes on to write, "...The British strategy for dealing
with Germany found initial expression in Prime Minister Neville
Chamberlains "appeasement" policy. The purpose of Chamberlain's 1938
Munich agreement to give the Sudetenland to Germany was, in fact, to
push the Germans to the east and into confrontation with the Soviet
Union...There was, however, never any question, either on the part of
Britian or the U.S., of lettng the German imperialists swallow the
Soviet Union: they wanted the Germans to choke on it." Roosevelt
proclaimed that he wanted Germany to bleed Soviet Russia white.
Joseph Stalin was Hitler's greatest enemy, 27 million Soviets gave
their lives defeating Hitler, The Red Army completely destroyed Nazi
German's armies, with not much help from other allies.
NZDude
"skepticl1" <skep...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122104632.6...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
OK proof please? I provided a link to the quotes AND a link to a sight
which argues the facts of this. You have provided a statement about a book
and a bunch of your personal beliefs. Got links or anything Skep?
NZD
Leonard
> Leonard bleated weekly:
>> So is Bozak Hitler, or is Skeptic Hitler? I think two Hitlers on one
>> newsgroup is more than plenty, considering Samuel X. Fleisher will be
>> back here in a week
> Hilter was an arch Capitalist, a religious fanatic, maybe the most
> famous racist in world history, women in Hitler's world were reduced to
> being breeders and family servants (just like Bush would like to do to
> women in the USA). He was the ultimate traditionalist.
>
> You are into religion and tradition Leonard. What makes you different
> than Der Furher?
I think you are incorrect here on two levels. First on Hitler's level, I
don't believe that he was much into religion even though you continue to
assert that he was. He was more into astrology from what I have read.
Secondly he was not a traditionalist in that he took all remaining power
from the German Monarchy (tradition) and set
Germany on a new path under strict dictatorship. As to me, I am not very
religious and I really don't know why you would consider me a
traditionalist. I hate throwback uniforms, and do not believe that the Bill
Walsh Offense is set in stone for the 49ers for the next hundred years.
> Bozak and I are the opposite of Hitler.
Lets see, you both despise large blocks of society, are intolerant of others
views, and are not opposed to violence to achieve your utopian view of the
world. I smell similarity.
skepticl1
sight
which argues the facts of this. You have provided a statement about a
book
and a bunch of your personal beliefs. Got links or anything Skep?
NZD>>
Subj: The Reason for the Holocaust: Adolf Hitler Was A Devote Christian
Date: 12/14/00
The information in this email comes from a loose transcription of a
Coast to Coast AM broadcast with Ian Punnett:
Adolph Hitler was a Christian the way the Ayatollah Khomeini was a
Moslem, says National award-winning American investigative reporter
Eric Zuesse. In his controversial book 'Why The Holocaust Happened:
It's Religious Cause & Scholarly Cover-Up,' Zuesse exposes Hitler's
secret motive behind the unprecedented organized mass-slaughter of
millions of people. Zuesse says that Hitler orchestrated the holocaust
because of his interpretation of Biblical scriptures.
Zuesse, the winner of the coveted H.L. Mencken for investigative
journalism for previous work, writes for the first time the true
motivation for the mass slaughter of Jews. He also proclaims that there
has been a historical cover up by scholars to mask Hitler's religious
convictions. An overt attempt to try to hide the Christian motive
behind the systematic murder of the Jews by the Nazis.
"The real nature of why Hitler perpetrated the holocaust is so
explosive and so repugnant that scholars uniformly do not consider it
appropriate to publish it," Zuesse says.
Hitler believed that his enemies were 'non pure blood Christians' who
were under the control of 'the people of Satan' whom he held to be on
the basic of John: 8:44, and Matthew: 23, 31-38. Adolph Hitler
formulated his plan for the holocaust in 1919 and first outlined it in
his private notes where he referred to its source, a source he had
studied with great care. The Bible.
By studying Hitler's writings you find that he was a devote Roman
Catholic. His art work, for example, often featured gothic churches.
The facility with which Hitler was able to quote the Bible was very
impressive. He built his holocaust theory on over a hundred passages
from the Bible. His views came predominately from the New Testament,
and also from the Old Testament. Hitler viewed the Bible and referred
to it as the 'monumental history of mankind.' He considered it history
rather than myth. He wanted to interpret and understand the source for
what he considered to be his own original sin, which he wanted to
cleanse from his soul in order to earn his place in eternity, in
heaven.
He was truly messianic. He saw himself as continuing the work of Jesus.
On the 18th of December, 1926, Hitler told a group devoted followers:
"Christ has laid forth the foundations for the war against the Jews,
hence the enemy of all mankind. The war Christ began I shall finish."
Heinrich Himmler, who was second in command of the holocaust, was in
some respects even more devote than Hitler. Himmler continued going to
the early mass even as an adult. Hitler did not believe that these
outward displays of piety were necessary. High Nazi officials referred
to Hitler as the return of Christ to finish Christ's work. Goebbels,
also raised a Roman Catholic, referred to Hitler either being John the
Baptist or Jesus Christ returned to earth. These people sincerely
believed this. Hitler was viewed in a truly reverential way by his
closest colleagues and supporters. Zuesse's book does not indict Roman
Catholicism as the source for Nazism. Like any other type of personal
motive the Church in Rome cannot be blamed for Hitler's beliefs.
As a child Hitler attended Mass every day with his mother. He continued
tithing to the church annually until the very end. Further more, after
he committed suicide the Catholic church held a solemn requiem mass for
Hitler as a true son of the church. This mass was held on the 6th of
May, 1945. It was not obligatory for the church to hold. It was
provided despite the fact the Pope, who personally approved of the
event, was by then fully aware of the holocaust. This was a mass, which
was an honorary mass held for Hitler, at a time when the Nazis had
already been defeated and was not done out of fear.
Hitler was constantly plagued with the fear and self doubt that he had
Jewish ancestry. It has been documented that, in fact, Adolph Hitler
had no Jewish ancestors. The likelihood now is virtually nil. However,
Hitler did fear that he had a Jewish grandfather. He was obsessed with
this worry. This is one of the reasons why he felt that he had to deal
with his own original sin.
It is widely believed that the Nazis were occultists. Nazism had a lot
of trapping of occultism, there were instances where some of the high
ranking officials, including Hitler flirted with it. There is much more
evidence that the Nazis did not consider themselves occultists. The
high ranking officials consider themselves to be fundamentalist
Christians. It is fundamentalism in the same sense as we talk about the
Ayatollah Khomeini as being a Moslem fundamentalist. He believed that
the Koran was the word of God and was consequently inerrant, word for
word, true and can never be wrong. This is the same thing with a
Christian fundamentalist. You can be a Catholic, a Protestant, a Jewish
fundamentalist even a Hindu fundamentalist. Hitler believed that he was
trying to bring about a return to the garden of Eden. A return to that
condition which Christians call paradise prior to the event of the
downfall of Adam and Eve. Hitler felt that he was carrying the banner
of all of Christianity, not just the Catholic church, the Protestant
churches as well.
Hitler religious fervor was such that he defined an 'Aryan' as a 'pure
blooded Christian.' This was in accord with I Peter: 1,2, and 29.
Hitler was a Christian in the sense that he believed the Bible. He
believed it with all his heart. He believed it sincerely. He tried to
apply the Bible to the world. The occultism, which is much spoken
about, was relatively minimal, and had no relationship, whatsoever, to
the holocaust. You cannot link Paganism or occultism, with the
anti-Semitism, which drove the holocaust. Hitler, because of his
religious beliefs was determined to exterminate ever last Jew in the
world. After he killed every Jew in Europe he planned on going to go
after those in the Middle East.
Many have wondered how could Hitler reconcile the fact that Christ was
a Jew. Hitler struggled with this question. He did assert in the bunker
late in the war his most highly developed thoughts on the matter. He
concluded Jesus was probably descended through Roman legionaries in
Galilee and he falsely assumed the people were Gaelic. Hitler confused
the Latin derived term for Gaul with a term that describes Galilee. He
assumed that Jesus Christ was descended from the French. Hitler's basic
reasoning was that Jesus said in John: 8:44 that Jews are descended
from Satan. Hitler felt that it was impossible that Jesus could have
been referring to himself.
Not only was Jesus said to be a Jew but the Bible also claims that the
Jews are God's chosen people. But according to New Testament Scripture
by St. Paul, the Christians became God's chosen people and the Jews
became the People of Satan. Hitler believed that Aryan people had
blonde hair and blue eyes, but Hitler did not have these features so
why would he preach this ideology? Hitler was severely worried, because
of his anti-Semitism, about the possibility that his grandfather was
Jewish. His paranoid vision of his world and his family had a terrible
effect on human history.
Eric Zuesse's book is based on the first ever study of the thousands of
pages of Adolph Hitler's private notes and letters and other writings
and statements to intimates.
1. WHY the Holocaust Happened
National award winning investigative journalist Eric Zuesse summarizes
below … Like some other Christians of a fundamentalist orientation,
Hitler took …
www.herbertwarmstrong.com/why_the_holacaust.htm - 55 KB
2. Romans 13:1-7
Eric Zuesse cet...@shoreham.net Sun, 19 May 2002 10:10:03 -0400 … of
victims were > > evildoers, even though Stalin, unlike Hitler,
was not a Christian. …
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3. Jerusalem conference
Eric Zuesse cet...@shoreham.net Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:51:32 -0400 …
Hitler's reading of Genesis 3 was strictly through the Christian eyes
of John 8:44, …
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4. Iraq_War_The_Truth.htm 6-4-04
Eric Zuesse’s devastating account should be read by everyone seeking to
… Zuesse sees a parallel between the ideological mania that drove
Hitler, …
liberty.hypermart.net/Reviews/Iraq_War_The_Truth.htm - 20 KB
5. The Smirking Chimp
Scalia himself endorses the idea that God authorizes Christian revenge,
… I have been corresponding with Eric Zuesse, author of the book, …
www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=10274 - 13 KB
6. Amazon.com: Books: Iraq War : The Truth
This is what Eric Zuesse argues in "Iraq War, the Truth " a 188-page
book … This was the culmination of a fundamentalist Christian crusade
on behalf of …
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0962810312?v=glance - 66 KB
7. Amazon.com: So You'd Like to... read about ILLEGAL and IMMORAL WARS
Christian Attitudes Toward War and Peace: A Historical Survey and
Critical Re-evaluation, Roland H. Bainton … Iraq War : The Truth, Eric
Zuesse …
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/1SA1ZLP3PV7OB -
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8. The Way Forward
by Eric Zuesse The e-mails below are a succession of notes to Phil
Cubeta in … Christian churches into their movement just as Adolf Hitler
had brought the …
progressivism.blogspot.com/ - 55 KB
9. Worldwide Church of God: WHY the Holocaust Happened
Like some other Christians of a fundamentalist orientation, Hitler took
these … Eric Zuesse, winner of the HL Mencken Award for investigative
reporting, …
ejm.tripod.com/why_the_holacaust.htm - 55 KB
skepticl1
Secondly he was not a traditionalist in that he took all remaining
power
from the German Monarchy (tradition) and set
Germany on a new path under strict dictatorship.>>
Hitler was voted in to power as the lesser of two evils. Hitler was a
sincere and devote Christian fanatic.
Leonard
> << He was more into astrology from what I have read.
> Secondly he was not a traditionalist in that he took all remaining
> power
> from the German Monarchy (tradition) and set
> Germany on a new path under strict dictatorship.>>
>
> Hitler was voted in to power as the lesser of two evils.
Wasn't that the last vote held in Germany until after Allied forces won out?
> Hitler was a sincere and devote Christian fanatic.
Got a link to the Christian fanatic claim?
NZDude
<<OK proof please? I provided a link to the quotes AND a link to a
sight
which argues the facts of this. You have provided a statement about a
book
and a bunch of your personal beliefs. Got links or anything Skep?
NZD>>
Subj: The Reason for the Holocaust: Adolf Hitler Was A Devote Christian
Date: 12/14/00
The information in this email comes from a loose transcription of a
Coast to Coast AM broadcast with Ian Punnett:
Adolph Hitler was a Christian the way the Ayatollah Khomeini was a
Moslem, says National award-winning American investigative reporter
Eric Zuesse. In his controversial book 'Why The Holocaust Happened:
It's Religious Cause & Scholarly Cover-Up,' Zuesse exposes Hitler's
secret motive behind the unprecedented organized mass-slaughter of
millions of people. Zuesse says that Hitler orchestrated the holocaust
because of his interpretation of Biblical scriptures.
Zuesse, the winner of the coveted H.L. Mencken for investigative
journalism for previous work, writes for the first time the true
motivation for the mass slaughter of Jews. He also proclaims that there
has been a historical cover up by scholars to mask Hitler's religious
convictions. An overt attempt to try to hide the Christian motive
behind the systematic murder of the Jews by the Nazis.
<snipped for brevity>
--------------
Good for you. You found about Nine sights all quoting exactly the same
stuff from the same source Zuess. So 9 others believe like you andhave
posted stuff in support of it. That still doesn't make it more than one
book and 9 people quoting from it.
NZD
skepticl1
Lets see, you both despise large blocks of society, are intolerant of
others
views, and are not opposed to violence to achieve your utopian view of
the
world. I smell similarity.>>
If by the word 'disparage' you mean I condemn the oppressive parts of
society, then you would be correct. I condemn Republicans, Bush, the
KKK, the Democrat Party, and religious fanatic Christian Fascists. As
for supporting violence, I support violence the way Geranamo wanted to
fight back against US military oppression, or Malcolm X, or the
resistance forces in the Philippines fight US conquest in the early
20th Century. What kind of US leaders could you search for that are non
violent? Are you non violent Leonard?! The only people I could think of
would be sell outs like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., or maybe that
religious activist Ghandi. You're the one who supports the US Fascist
war on the Middle East, (talk about violence!) you're the one who is
religious, you're the one promoting tradition. I support women's
rights, minority rights, I'm the one against Imperialist war. Fascism
must be fought with force of arms. You're on the wrong side Leonard.
James Farrar
wrote:
>
>"skepticl1" <skep...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1122149635.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> << He was more into astrology from what I have read.
>> Secondly he was not a traditionalist in that he took all remaining
>> power
>> from the German Monarchy (tradition) and set
>> Germany on a new path under strict dictatorship.>>
>>
>> Hitler was voted in to power as the lesser of two evils.
>
>Wasn't that the last vote held in Germany until after Allied forces won out?
Hitler wasn't voted into the powers that he assumed as Fuehrer. In the
last democratic elections in 1932, the Nazis lost voted from the
previous elections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#The_road_to_power
The March 1933 elections don't count as democratic.
--
James Farrar
September's coming soon
skepticl1
same
stuff from the same source Zuess. So 9 others believe like you andhave
posted stuff in support of it. That still doesn't make it more than
one
book and 9 people quoting from it.
NZD>>
You asked me to sight a reference for what I posted. I gave you just
what you asked for.
skepticl1
<<Wasn't that the last vote held in Germany until after Allied forces
won out?
> Hitler was a sincere and devote Christian fanatic.
Got a link to the Christian fanatic claim?>>
Eric Zuesse's book is based on the first ever study of the thousands of
pages of Adolph Hitler's private notes and letters and other writings
and statements to intimates.
1. WHY the Holocaust Happened
National award winning investigative journalist Eric Zuesse summarizes
below ? Like some other Christians of a fundamentalist orientation,
Hitler took ?
www.herbertwarmstrong.com/why_the_holacaust.htm - 55 KB
2. Romans 13:1-7
Eric Zuesse cet...@shoreham.net Sun, 19 May 2002 10:10:03 -0400 ? of
victims were > > evildoers, even though Stalin, unlike Hitler,
was not a Christian. ?
lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/corpus-paul/20020519/003442.html - 7 KB
3. Jerusalem conference
Eric Zuesse cet...@shoreham.net Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:51:32 -0400 ?
Hitler's reading of Genesis 3 was strictly through the Christian eyes
of John 8:44, ?
lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/corpus-paul/20020830/003862.html - 9 KB
4. Iraq_War_The_Truth.htm 6-4-04
Eric Zuesse?s devastating account should be read by everyone seeking to
? Zuesse sees a parallel between the ideological mania that drove
Hitler, ?
liberty.hypermart.net/Reviews/Iraq_War_The_Truth.htm - 20 KB
5. The Smirking Chimp
Scalia himself endorses the idea that God authorizes Christian revenge,
? I have been corresponding with Eric Zuesse, author of the book, ?
www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=10274 - 13 KB
6. Amazon.com: Books: Iraq War : The Truth
This is what Eric Zuesse argues in "Iraq War, the Truth " a 188-page
book ? This was the culmination of a fundamentalist Christian crusade
on behalf of ?
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0962810312?v=glance - 66 KB
7. Amazon.com: So You'd Like to... read about ILLEGAL and IMMORAL WARS
Christian Attitudes Toward War and Peace: A Historical Survey and
Critical Re-evaluation, Roland H. Bainton ? Iraq War : The Truth, Eric
Zuesse ?
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/1SA1ZLP3PV7OB -
170 KB
8. The Way Forward
by Eric Zuesse The e-mails below are a succession of notes to Phil
Cubeta in ? Christian churches into their movement just as Adolf Hitler
had brought the ?
progressivism.blogspot.com/ - 55 KB
9. Worldwide Church of God: WHY the Holocaust Happened
Like some other Christians of a fundamentalist orientation, Hitler took
these ? Eric Zuesse, winner of the HL Mencken Award for investigative
reporting, ?
ejm.tripod.com/why_the_holacaust.htm - 55 KB
Leonard
Leonard asked:
Uhhh, Skeptic, please check your links. Scalia, when did he enter the
conversation?
Leonard
> <<Bozak and I are the opposite of Hitler.
>
> Lets see, you both despise large blocks of society, are intolerant of
> others
> views, and are not opposed to violence to achieve your utopian view of
> the
> world. I smell similarity.>>
>
> If by the word 'disparage'
I did not use that word.
> you mean I condemn the oppressive parts of
> society, then you would be correct. I condemn Republicans, Bush, the
> KKK, the Democrat Party, and religious fanatic Christian Fascists. As
> for supporting violence, I support violence the way Geranamo wanted to
> fight back against US military oppression, or Malcolm X, or the
> resistance forces in the Philippines fight US conquest in the early
> 20th Century. What kind of US leaders could you search for that are non
> violent? Are you non violent Leonard?!
Within reason.
> The only people I could think of
> would be sell outs like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., or maybe that
> religious activist Ghandi.
This is the first I have heard of Dr. M.L. King or Ghandi being sell-outs.
Interesting.
> You're the one who supports the US Fascist
> war on the Middle East, (talk about violence!)
I do?
> you're the one who is religious
I am?
> you're the one promoting tradition.
How so?
> I support women's rights, minority rights, I'm the one against Imperialist
> war.
Mee too.
> Fascism must be fought with force of arms.
Or with thought and law.
> You're on the wrong side Leonard.
You don't even know which side I am on. As if there were sides..........
NZDude
Fair enough.
And yet you accuse me of using slanted, jaded references, sheesh Skep.
Thanks, this last bit proves you really aren't into doing your due
dilligence and isnterad seem willing to go with any old sight long as it
supports your claims.
NZD
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> "skepticl1" <skep...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1122149475.4...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> <<OK proof please? I provided a link to the quotes AND a link to a
> sight
> which argues the facts of this. You have provided a statement about a
> book
> and a bunch of your personal beliefs. Got links or anything Skep?
> NZD>>
>
> Subj: The Reason for the Holocaust: Adolf Hitler Was A Devote Christian
>
> Date: 12/14/00
>
> The information in this email comes from a loose transcription of a
> Coast to Coast AM broadcast with Ian Punnett:
>
> Adolph Hitler was a Christian the way the Ayatollah Khomeini was a
> Moslem, says National award-winning American investigative reporter
> Eric Zuesse.
[snip]
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/3ad5873afc8b3c80?
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/02471e07781c7e66?
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/47c284defb4765dd?
Goebbels: "Goering... addressed a sharp letter to Bishops Galen... and
Berning"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/6d557ba894c09499?
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/e9b71ae73bcf99a3?
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate; Hitler was a
homosexual
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/9024224bd3d87aec?
1934 Ebermayer: "Hess... was for many years the Fuhrer's partner"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/e2c0f26ebb5d381b?
a spiritual void among especially-influential Germans
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/3b06bb633ef68ea1?