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John Walsh
May 26, 2012, 2:42:47 AM5/26/12
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When was last time Alex Smith was told to pipe down?
This isn�t necessarily about Cam Newton. Or about 300-yard passing
games. Or about a Carolina Panthers defender attempting to, well,
defend his quarterback.
It�s about Alex Smith�s newfound moxie.
Smith piped up Wednesday to once again downplay the value of a
300-yard passing game. He�s had to do this repeatedly throughout his
career, which includes only a pair of 300-yard-plus outings in 70
career games. He altered his script Wednesday by invoking the name of
last season�s NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year: Newton.
Cue up a Panthers player channeling his inner Terrell Owens (see:
�That�s my quarterback!� with tears flowing behind shades).
�Alex smith, don�t hate on Cam Bc your stats would�ve gotten u cut if
Peyton decided to come 2 San Fran.Truth b told..That�s after a 13-3
yr.� � tweeted Beason, a three-time Pro Bowler who was sidelined with
an Achilles injury during most of Newton�s debut season.
So what exactly did Smith say?
�This is the honest truth, I absolutely could care less about yards
per game. That is a totally overblown stat,� said Smith, who�s
eclipsed the 300-yard passing mark just twice in 70 career games.
�Because if you�re losing games in the second half, guess what, you�re
like the Carolina Panthers and you�re going no-huddle the entire
second half. Yeah, Cam Newton threw for a lot of 300-yard games;
that�s great. You�re not winning, though.�
That Alex Smith, he has some nerve �
Wait, yes, he does, indeed.
Newton threw for over 300-yards in three of his first four games, but
none after that. He finished with 4,051 yards for the Panthers (6-10).
He went to the Pro Bowl, too.
To recap: Newton put up great stats. He didn�t win more than six
games.
No members of the Panthers defense went to the Pro Bowl, a sign that
Newton indeed lacked support and had to try rallying from deficits.
Smith tallied 3,144 yards for the NFC West champion 49ers (13-3). The
49ers� offense ranked 29th in passing, however, at 183.1 net yards per
game.
Before claiming his first career playoff victory, Smith was asked
about the New Orleans Saints� high-powered offense, and he was asked
about his chances of �out-throwing� Drew Brees.
Smith�s response back then: �I have no idea. I don�t care. I really
don�t care. I�m looking to outscore him. He can throw for how many
yards as he wants to, so ��
Also in that Jan. 10 interview, Smith said this about offensive
philosphophies: �It�s kind of for you guys to talk about and write
about, the differences and style, whatever you want to call it. It is
what it is. It still comes down to scoring more points than the other
team, and that�s what we�re looking to do.�
Rewind to a regular-season win over the New York Giants. There was a
ton of talk about Smith being a game manager, something coach Jim
Harbaugh took exception to, and Smith did to an extent. That was in
response to the Giants� Justin Tuck stating: �I think they are asking
Alex not to lose the game.�
After beating the Giants, Smith�s retort was: �I managed myself into a
victory, that�s all I could care about.�
Seven years after being drafted first overall out of Utah, Smith is
comfortable with who he is. He�s not so worried about pleasing
everyone. Harbaugh�s confident, competitive ways are now coursing
through Smith�s veins, too.
Rewind to March, when Smith re-signed after the 49ers� awkward
courting of Peyton Manning. Rather than downplay everything, Smith
said he would have �relished the opportunity� of competing against
Manning for the 49ers starting job � although who knows if he would
have actually signed here again.
Smith remains a polite, friendly guy. He also has incorporated an
enviable edge to his persona.
Before April�s draft, he walked into a room where a few of us
reporters were working and sarcastically greeted us with an expletive.
Suddenly, Alex Smith had morphed into Steve Stifler from �American
Pie.�
Did Smith intend to disrespect Newton? Probably not. He was just
trying to make a point, without touting the positive alternative of
his statistics (league-low five interceptions, a top-10 passer rating
of 90.7).
Does he regret bringing up Newton and the Panthers? Why should he?
Would Harbaugh apologize for such a remark?
Rewind to Oct. 17, the day after Harbaugh shook the hand of Detroit
Lions coach Jim Schwartz a tad too hard. �I think there�s no reason
for an apology,� Harbaugh said. �Apologies always seem to me like
excuses.�
P.S. Andrew Luck had only one 300-yard passing game in his first
season in Harbaugh�s offense at Stanford. The closest Smith came in
his first regular season under Harbaugh was a 291-yard effort at
Philadelphia, one of five regular-season comeback wins. Smith had one
more comeback victory in store, and that was a 299-yard show in a
playoff win over New Orleans.
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This isn�t necessarily about Cam Newton. Or about 300-yard passing
games. Or about a Carolina Panthers defender attempting to, well,
defend his quarterback.
It�s about Alex Smith�s newfound moxie.
Smith piped up Wednesday to once again downplay the value of a
300-yard passing game. He�s had to do this repeatedly throughout his
career, which includes only a pair of 300-yard-plus outings in 70
career games. He altered his script Wednesday by invoking the name of
last season�s NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year: Newton.
Cue up a Panthers player channeling his inner Terrell Owens (see:
�That�s my quarterback!� with tears flowing behind shades).
�Alex smith, don�t hate on Cam Bc your stats would�ve gotten u cut if
Peyton decided to come 2 San Fran.Truth b told..That�s after a 13-3
yr.� � tweeted Beason, a three-time Pro Bowler who was sidelined with
an Achilles injury during most of Newton�s debut season.
So what exactly did Smith say?
�This is the honest truth, I absolutely could care less about yards
per game. That is a totally overblown stat,� said Smith, who�s
eclipsed the 300-yard passing mark just twice in 70 career games.
�Because if you�re losing games in the second half, guess what, you�re
like the Carolina Panthers and you�re going no-huddle the entire
second half. Yeah, Cam Newton threw for a lot of 300-yard games;
that�s great. You�re not winning, though.�
That Alex Smith, he has some nerve �
Wait, yes, he does, indeed.
Newton threw for over 300-yards in three of his first four games, but
none after that. He finished with 4,051 yards for the Panthers (6-10).
He went to the Pro Bowl, too.
To recap: Newton put up great stats. He didn�t win more than six
games.
No members of the Panthers defense went to the Pro Bowl, a sign that
Newton indeed lacked support and had to try rallying from deficits.
Smith tallied 3,144 yards for the NFC West champion 49ers (13-3). The
49ers� offense ranked 29th in passing, however, at 183.1 net yards per
game.
Before claiming his first career playoff victory, Smith was asked
about the New Orleans Saints� high-powered offense, and he was asked
about his chances of �out-throwing� Drew Brees.
Smith�s response back then: �I have no idea. I don�t care. I really
don�t care. I�m looking to outscore him. He can throw for how many
yards as he wants to, so ��
Also in that Jan. 10 interview, Smith said this about offensive
philosphophies: �It�s kind of for you guys to talk about and write
about, the differences and style, whatever you want to call it. It is
what it is. It still comes down to scoring more points than the other
team, and that�s what we�re looking to do.�
Rewind to a regular-season win over the New York Giants. There was a
ton of talk about Smith being a game manager, something coach Jim
Harbaugh took exception to, and Smith did to an extent. That was in
response to the Giants� Justin Tuck stating: �I think they are asking
Alex not to lose the game.�
After beating the Giants, Smith�s retort was: �I managed myself into a
victory, that�s all I could care about.�
Seven years after being drafted first overall out of Utah, Smith is
comfortable with who he is. He�s not so worried about pleasing
everyone. Harbaugh�s confident, competitive ways are now coursing
through Smith�s veins, too.
Rewind to March, when Smith re-signed after the 49ers� awkward
courting of Peyton Manning. Rather than downplay everything, Smith
said he would have �relished the opportunity� of competing against
Manning for the 49ers starting job � although who knows if he would
have actually signed here again.
Smith remains a polite, friendly guy. He also has incorporated an
enviable edge to his persona.
Before April�s draft, he walked into a room where a few of us
reporters were working and sarcastically greeted us with an expletive.
Suddenly, Alex Smith had morphed into Steve Stifler from �American
Pie.�
Did Smith intend to disrespect Newton? Probably not. He was just
trying to make a point, without touting the positive alternative of
his statistics (league-low five interceptions, a top-10 passer rating
of 90.7).
Does he regret bringing up Newton and the Panthers? Why should he?
Would Harbaugh apologize for such a remark?
Rewind to Oct. 17, the day after Harbaugh shook the hand of Detroit
Lions coach Jim Schwartz a tad too hard. �I think there�s no reason
for an apology,� Harbaugh said. �Apologies always seem to me like
excuses.�
P.S. Andrew Luck had only one 300-yard passing game in his first
season in Harbaugh�s offense at Stanford. The closest Smith came in
his first regular season under Harbaugh was a 291-yard effort at
Philadelphia, one of five regular-season comeback wins. Smith had one
more comeback victory in store, and that was a 299-yard show in a
playoff win over New Orleans.
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skep...@aol.com
May 26, 2012, 12:31:01 PM5/26/12
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Alex will do his proving on the field next season. I've been watching
the first four games and there are many standouts. Ray McDonald,
Navarro Bowman, Frank Gore, Ted Ginn Jr., Carlos Rogers, Patrick
Willis, Justin Smith. One thing so far I've noticed early in the
season was that Crabtrree was dropping 50 percent of his passes,
drives stalled on third down when an outlet pass right in his hands
dropped at least three times so far.
John Walsh
May 26, 2012, 1:44:34 PM5/26/12
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Harbaugh and Baalke.
Crabtree had to learn the offense just like the rest of the team. For
him perhaps it was a bit harder. The offense as a whole was behind
the 8-ball, but he more so because he didn't practice with them at all
(one day).
He wasn't the downfield option that Davis was. Even so, he was a good
option on crossing routes and slants. He got the Niners important
first downs when Davis was covered.
Thing is, the Niners used every trick in the WCO playbook (and some
that were not). It was all the more impressive to see it work when
they had little or no experience with that style of offense. They had
no choice, they had to make it work ... without benefit of off season
work or long training camp. All the players on offense alluded to the
fact that they had to learn it on the fly.
While it didn't always work as smoothly as we're used to seeing it
run, you could see flashes of what was to come in those late offensive
surges when they came from behind to win.
I think that culminated in the New Orleans game. They passed, they
ran, they did pretty much whatever they pleased and it worked for the
most part.
The Niner defense was solid, as always, but how about taking the ball
away from the Saints deep in Niner territory? The Niners took it back
for a TD and it wasn't a drive that featured dropped passes and false
starts. They were efficient, they scored and when the Saints did stop
them, the defense to get it back.
Now tell me if I'm wrong, but isn't that was good football teams are
supposed to do? Isn't that exactly what our best Niner teams did on
the way to good seasons and the playoffs?
If Smith wants to mouth off about something, he earned the right. His
team went 13-3, Newton's wasn't. His team beat the Saints in the
playoffs, Newton's team didn't make it there.
Beason took exception to Smith's comments, fine. If his defense had
overcome Newton's interceptions and other mistakes, I could see his
point. Smith simply compared statistics and results. That's not
hating on anyone, that's just answering the questions put to him.
What the hell, at lot of QB's threw for more yards than Smith, but the
Niners won. Drew Brees threw more passes for more yards, but It was
Smith who threw the winning TD. That's all that counts in the end.
That and the fact that Smith's no longer a game manager. :) Expect a
better season in 2012, despite the supposed harder schedule. This
team knows they can go all that way.
First up, the Green Bay Packers!
Go Niners!
benf8...@aol.com
May 26, 2012, 2:09:50 PM5/26/12
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Smith should just shut his mouth and do something on the field. Why is he comparing what he did in his 7th year to a rookie? Newton put him to shame comparing first year stats.
Sydney Diego
May 26, 2012, 3:05:22 PM5/26/12
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If Smith's stats weren't an issue then Peyton Manning wouldn't have
been courted and someone else would have made Smith an offer.
Newton helped elevate the worst team in the league, he had zero
defensive help.
Smith managed the games while the Defense and Special teams did the
heavy lifting.
Newton is miles ahead of Smith and he's only in his first year. When
he gets a cast they will be contending.
been courted and someone else would have made Smith an offer.
Newton helped elevate the worst team in the league, he had zero
defensive help.
Smith managed the games while the Defense and Special teams did the
heavy lifting.
Newton is miles ahead of Smith and he's only in his first year. When
he gets a cast they will be contending.
pause8cafe
May 26, 2012, 5:23:53 PM5/26/12
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skep...@aol.com
May 27, 2012, 1:18:43 AM5/27/12
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On May 26, 10:44 am, John Walsh <jwalsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 09:31:01 -0700 (PDT), "skepti...@aol.com"
> Go Niners!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, John the Niners won't be learning on the fly this year, the
offense will be better!
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 09:31:01 -0700 (PDT), "skepti...@aol.com"
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, John the Niners won't be learning on the fly this year, the
offense will be better!
Leonard
May 27, 2012, 1:43:13 PM5/27/12
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"Sydney Diego" <all...@email.com> wrote in message
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to compare the two after the coming season. And like benf I wish Alex Smith
(and all 49ers) would just shut up and play football. Comments to the media
too often come out badly regardless of how they are originally meant.
Always liked that part in Bull Durham where Cosner taught the young pitcher
how to say a bunch of boring cliche' type stuff and avoid media controversy.
John Walsh
May 27, 2012, 5:46:47 PM5/27/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:43:13 -0700, "Leonard" <elkof...@citlink.net>
wrote:
Smith's enough of an educated man to know exactly he wanted to convey
with his comments. He was accurate in what he said, the stats back
him up. If the news media and Beason took it wrong, tough.
Smith went 14-4 and the defense didn't score the TD's that won those
games. They kept the Niners in the game for sure, but when it came
down to getting TD's that won games, that was the offense.
The offense also scored two touchdowns when the defense folded up
against the Saints. Lucky they had an offense to do the heavy lifting
on those two drives, or the Niners never would have gotten to the
finals.
Newton's miles ahead? Maybe because he threw the ball often and
threw it further. Oft times, some of those passes went to the other
team. Maybe he should learn how to "manage" a game and then his
team's record will match his glossy stats.
wrote:
with his comments. He was accurate in what he said, the stats back
him up. If the news media and Beason took it wrong, tough.
Smith went 14-4 and the defense didn't score the TD's that won those
games. They kept the Niners in the game for sure, but when it came
down to getting TD's that won games, that was the offense.
The offense also scored two touchdowns when the defense folded up
against the Saints. Lucky they had an offense to do the heavy lifting
on those two drives, or the Niners never would have gotten to the
finals.
Newton's miles ahead? Maybe because he threw the ball often and
threw it further. Oft times, some of those passes went to the other
team. Maybe he should learn how to "manage" a game and then his
team's record will match his glossy stats.
John Walsh
May 27, 2012, 6:03:48 PM5/27/12
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 11:09:50 -0700 (PDT), "benf8...@aol.com"
<benf8...@aol.com> wrote:
>Smith should just shut his mouth and do something on the field. Why is he comparing what he did in his 7th year to a rookie? Newton put him to shame comparing first year stats.
Maybe it's because his season record was 13-3 and Newton's wasn't?
<benf8...@aol.com> wrote:
>Smith should just shut his mouth and do something on the field. Why is he comparing what he did in his 7th year to a rookie? Newton put him to shame comparing first year stats.
People have always criticized Smith for being meek, not aggressive
enough. So he goes out, has a great season, beats the Saints and
almost beats the Giants in the finals ... and he doesn't earn the
right to speak his mind?
If the media and Beason want to take it for more than the comparison
it was, fine. Smith made the comparison because Newton's the one
cited most often as an example.
BTW, 14 of his 21 touchdowns were rushing, correct? Want to spin
some stats? Then spin 17 intercepts vs. 7 passing touchdowns.
Sydney Diego
May 27, 2012, 7:03:53 PM5/27/12
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Hey Alex, why not compare yourself to someone drafted in the same
round as you rather than a rookie ? . Oh. Yeah.
Smith Rookie Yea vs. Newton rookie year, no comparison.
Newton's a franchise QB for the future. Smith is a temporary manager
till someone else is groomed/drafted.gotten in free agency.
round as you rather than a rookie ? . Oh. Yeah.
Smith Rookie Yea vs. Newton rookie year, no comparison.
Newton's a franchise QB for the future. Smith is a temporary manager
till someone else is groomed/drafted.gotten in free agency.
skep...@aol.com
May 27, 2012, 8:17:43 PM5/27/12
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be Chralie Sheen, always saying something really controversial,
usually about sex or something, wildly popular in this newsgroup, and
always on the cusp of fucking up or recovering from a major faux pax.
And John Walsh could best be compared with the celebrity, the Queen of
England, snooty, always supports the status quo, constant insane
demands like having a heated, solid gold toilet seat where ever he
goes, gulping down whole hampsters when he shape shifts into a
reptillian. So who would the celebrity Leonard would be most compared
to?
Leonard
May 27, 2012, 9:44:22 PM5/27/12
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Yea?
groomed./drafted.gotten?
Please take your blinkers off and speak"e" in English Sydnoid. Your writing
is atrocious and you should work on it.
groomed./drafted.gotten?
Please take your blinkers off and speak"e" in English Sydnoid. Your writing
is atrocious and you should work on it.
Leonard
May 27, 2012, 9:47:25 PM5/27/12
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<skep...@aol.com> wrote in message
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The Geico lizard if I have my say. If not that then I will go with the guy
who played Pedro Cerano on Major League......the All State guy.
skep...@aol.com
May 27, 2012, 10:39:58 PM5/27/12
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On May 27, 6:47 pm, "Leonard" <elkofin...@citlink.net> wrote:
> <skepti...@aol.com> wrote in message
OK I'll be a lizard too, which lizard should I be? The Gorn lizard man
that Kirk fought in Star Trek? (Making lizard sounds, slith, slith).
> <skepti...@aol.com> wrote in message
that Kirk fought in Star Trek? (Making lizard sounds, slith, slith).
John Walsh
May 28, 2012, 12:02:01 AM5/28/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 18:47:25 -0700, "Leonard" <elkof...@citlink.net>
wrote:
Dennis Haysbert? Cool dude!
wrote:
John Walsh
May 28, 2012, 12:05:38 AM5/28/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 18:44:22 -0700, "Leonard" <elkof...@citlink.net>
wrote:
That's impressive alright. Now Sydnoid is the Niner GM. I'll take
Smith's performance over what Newton did any day. Smith won, Newton
tried. As with any rookie QB, what he's going to do in the future is
unknown.
And, unless Newton learns to pass the ball as well as he runs it,
he'll just be another running QB who didn't quite live up to the hype.
wrote:
Smith's performance over what Newton did any day. Smith won, Newton
tried. As with any rookie QB, what he's going to do in the future is
unknown.
And, unless Newton learns to pass the ball as well as he runs it,
he'll just be another running QB who didn't quite live up to the hype.
Leonard
May 28, 2012, 5:50:35 AM5/28/12
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"John Walsh" <jwal...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 May 2012 18:44:22 -0700, "Leonard" <elkof...@citlink.net>
> wrote:
>
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>>"Sydney Diego" <all...@email.com> wrote in message
>>news:3dd83f0c-9f1d-43b9...@h10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hey Alex, why not compare yourself to someone drafted in the same
>>> round as you rather than a rookie ? . Oh. Yeah.
>>>
>>> Smith Rookie Yea vs. Newton rookie year, no comparison.
>>>
>>> Newton's a franchise QB for the future. Smith is a temporary manager
>>> till someone else is groomed/drafted.gotten in free agency.
>>
>>Yea?
>>
>>groomed./drafted.gotten?
>>
>>Please take your blinkers off and speak"e" in English Sydnoid. Your
>>writing
>>is atrocious and you should work on it.
>>
>
> That's impressive alright. Now Sydnoid is the Niner GM. I'll take
Baalke any day.
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Sydney Diego" <all...@email.com> wrote in message
>>news:3dd83f0c-9f1d-43b9...@h10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hey Alex, why not compare yourself to someone drafted in the same
>>> round as you rather than a rookie ? . Oh. Yeah.
>>>
>>> Smith Rookie Yea vs. Newton rookie year, no comparison.
>>>
>>> Newton's a franchise QB for the future. Smith is a temporary manager
>>> till someone else is groomed/drafted.gotten in free agency.
>>
>>Yea?
>>
>>groomed./drafted.gotten?
>>
>>Please take your blinkers off and speak"e" in English Sydnoid. Your
>>writing
>>is atrocious and you should work on it.
>>
>
> That's impressive alright. Now Sydnoid is the Niner GM. I'll take
stevev
May 28, 2012, 10:26:45 AM5/28/12
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Newton (or shouldn't be anyway). It's about whether individual stats are
all that important in the scheme of things. They simply aren't!
Sydney Diego
May 28, 2012, 12:15:06 PM5/28/12
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On May 28, 7:26 am, "stevev" <pox19...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "John Walsh" <jwalsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On Sun, 27 May 2012 18:44:22 -0700, "Leonard" <elkofin...@citlink.net>
Some of the mouth-breather sin here have Newton pegged as a Running
QB.
However in his ROOKIE year, Newton did 2 things Smith has NEVER been
able to do.
1. PASS for over 4000 yards.
2. THROW more than 20TDs.
Still, if you MUST compare, the best comparison is their rookie years,
where they were each taking over the worst team in the leagu. Remember
Newton didn't even have a full training camp.
Smith: QBR - 40. 1 Pass TD. 11 INTs. 51% completion. 97 YPG. 5 YPA. 0
Rush TD. 11 fumbles, 3 lost.
Newton: QBR - 84. 21 Pass TDs 17 INTs. 60% completion. 253 YPG. 8 YPA.
14 Rush TDs. 5 Fumbles, 2 lost. Pro-Bowl.
Yeah, one of these guys is on a greatness trajectory. One is on a
Trent-Dilfer-wanna-be trajectory.
> "John Walsh" <jwalsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On Sun, 27 May 2012 18:44:22 -0700, "Leonard" <elkofin...@citlink.net>
> > wrote:
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> >>"Sydney Diego" <all...@email.com> wrote in message
> >>news:3dd83f0c-9f1d-43b9...@h10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Hey Alex, why not compare yourself to someone drafted in the same
> >>> round as you rather than a rookie ? . Oh. Yeah.
>
> >>> Smith Rookie Yea vs. Newton rookie year, no comparison.
>
> >>> Newton's a franchise QB for the future. Smith is a temporary manager
> >>> till someone else is groomed/drafted.gotten in free agency.
>
> >>Yea?
>
> >>groomed./drafted.gotten?
>
> >>Please take your blinkers off and speak"e" in English Sydnoid. Your
> >>writing
> >>is atrocious and you should work on it.
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> > That's impressive alright. Now Sydnoid is the Niner GM. I'll take
> > Smith's performance over what Newton did any day. Smith won, Newton
> > tried. As with any rookie QB, what he's going to do in the future is
> > unknown.
>
> > And, unless Newton learns to pass the ball as well as he runs it,
> > he'll just be another running QB who didn't quite live up to the hype.
>
> You have fallen into the trap. This conversation isn't about Smith vs.
> Newton (or shouldn't be anyway). It's about whether individual stats are
> all that important in the scheme of things. They simply aren't!
There is NO comparison between Smith and Newton.
>
> >>"Sydney Diego" <all...@email.com> wrote in message
> >>news:3dd83f0c-9f1d-43b9...@h10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Hey Alex, why not compare yourself to someone drafted in the same
> >>> round as you rather than a rookie ? . Oh. Yeah.
>
> >>> Smith Rookie Yea vs. Newton rookie year, no comparison.
>
> >>> Newton's a franchise QB for the future. Smith is a temporary manager
> >>> till someone else is groomed/drafted.gotten in free agency.
>
> >>Yea?
>
> >>groomed./drafted.gotten?
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> >>Please take your blinkers off and speak"e" in English Sydnoid. Your
> >>writing
> >>is atrocious and you should work on it.
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> > That's impressive alright. Now Sydnoid is the Niner GM. I'll take
> > Smith's performance over what Newton did any day. Smith won, Newton
> > tried. As with any rookie QB, what he's going to do in the future is
> > unknown.
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> > And, unless Newton learns to pass the ball as well as he runs it,
> > he'll just be another running QB who didn't quite live up to the hype.
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> You have fallen into the trap. This conversation isn't about Smith vs.
> Newton (or shouldn't be anyway). It's about whether individual stats are
> all that important in the scheme of things. They simply aren't!
Some of the mouth-breather sin here have Newton pegged as a Running
QB.
However in his ROOKIE year, Newton did 2 things Smith has NEVER been
able to do.
1. PASS for over 4000 yards.
2. THROW more than 20TDs.
Still, if you MUST compare, the best comparison is their rookie years,
where they were each taking over the worst team in the leagu. Remember
Newton didn't even have a full training camp.
Smith: QBR - 40. 1 Pass TD. 11 INTs. 51% completion. 97 YPG. 5 YPA. 0
Rush TD. 11 fumbles, 3 lost.
Newton: QBR - 84. 21 Pass TDs 17 INTs. 60% completion. 253 YPG. 8 YPA.
14 Rush TDs. 5 Fumbles, 2 lost. Pro-Bowl.
Yeah, one of these guys is on a greatness trajectory. One is on a
Trent-Dilfer-wanna-be trajectory.
skep...@aol.com
May 28, 2012, 12:20:40 PM5/28/12
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John Walsh
May 28, 2012, 5:53:29 PM5/28/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 02:50:35 -0700, "Leonard" <elkof...@citlink.net>
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Trent has the track record to back it up.
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Sydney Diego
May 28, 2012, 6:35:57 PM5/28/12
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On May 27, 9:05 pm, John Walsh <jwalsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 18:44:22 -0700, "Leonard" <elkofin...@citlink.net>
21 PASSING TDs as a rookie isn't enough ?
I'd say he already knows how to pass it.
Better than Alex Smith can.
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 18:44:22 -0700, "Leonard" <elkofin...@citlink.net>
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> >> Hey Alex, why not compare yourself to someone drafted in the same
> >> round as you rather than a rookie ? . Oh. Yeah.
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> >> Smith Rookie Yea vs. Newton rookie year, no comparison.
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> >> Newton's a franchise QB for the future. Smith is a temporary manager
> >> till someone else is groomed/drafted.gotten in free agency.
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> >Please take your blinkers off and speak"e" in English Sydnoid. Your writing
> >is atrocious and you should work on it.
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> That's impressive alright. Now Sydnoid is the Niner GM. I'll take
> Smith's performance over what Newton did any day. Smith won, Newton
> tried. As with any rookie QB, what he's going to do in the future is
> unknown.
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4,000 passing yards as a rookie isn't enough ?
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> >> Hey Alex, why not compare yourself to someone drafted in the same
> >> round as you rather than a rookie ? . Oh. Yeah.
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> >> Smith Rookie Yea vs. Newton rookie year, no comparison.
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> >> Newton's a franchise QB for the future. Smith is a temporary manager
> >> till someone else is groomed/drafted.gotten in free agency.
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> >Yea?
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> >Please take your blinkers off and speak"e" in English Sydnoid. Your writing
> >is atrocious and you should work on it.
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> That's impressive alright. Now Sydnoid is the Niner GM. I'll take
> Smith's performance over what Newton did any day. Smith won, Newton
> tried. As with any rookie QB, what he's going to do in the future is
> unknown.
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> And, unless Newton learns to pass the ball as well as he runs it,
21 PASSING TDs as a rookie isn't enough ?
I'd say he already knows how to pass it.
Better than Alex Smith can.
Leonard
May 28, 2012, 7:37:55 PM5/28/12
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I think Alex Smith will have a better year than Cam Newton does in 2012.
I think Alex Smith will have a better year than Cam Newton does in 2012.
Sydney Diego
May 28, 2012, 7:57:08 PM5/28/12
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In spite of alex smith.
John Walsh
May 28, 2012, 10:17:16 PM5/28/12
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a Dilfer pass. Great trajectory? Try simple language, Einstein. One
of them was 13-3, the other 6-10. Great trajectory alright.
Sydney Diego
May 28, 2012, 11:31:11 PM5/28/12
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On May 28, 7:17 pm, John Walsh <jwalsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 09:20:40 -0700 (PDT), "skepti...@aol.com"
what was the niners' record in smith's rookie year ?
oh yeah, 4-12
Newton was drafted #1, ie, he went to the WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE
He put up more yards in his first season than Smith EVER has. in a
single season.
He PASSED for more TDs in his first season than Smith ever has in a
single season.
Tell us againn how a 4000 yard passer, 20 TD QB is a running QB who
doesn't know how to pass.
Einstein indeed.
Oh the irony.......
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 09:20:40 -0700 (PDT), "skepti...@aol.com"
oh yeah, 4-12
Newton was drafted #1, ie, he went to the WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE
He put up more yards in his first season than Smith EVER has. in a
single season.
He PASSED for more TDs in his first season than Smith ever has in a
single season.
Tell us againn how a 4000 yard passer, 20 TD QB is a running QB who
doesn't know how to pass.
Einstein indeed.
Oh the irony.......
Leonard
May 28, 2012, 11:49:06 PM5/28/12
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Not talking about team records Sydney, talking about QB's. I think Alex
Not talking about team records Sydney, talking about QB's. I think Alex
Sydney Diego
May 29, 2012, 12:02:53 AM5/29/12
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performance ?
Leonard
May 29, 2012, 12:19:33 AM5/29/12
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QBR, TD to INT ratio, passing yards, completion percentage, etc, etc. In
2011 Smith beat Newton in some of these stat areas and Newton beat Smith in
others. When I say I think Smith will have a better 2012 than Newton I mean
that I think Smith will be ahead of Newton in most of the stats that people
look at.
BTW it is nice to have a football conversation with you.....let's keep it
going whether we agree or disagree.
QBR, TD to INT ratio, passing yards, completion percentage, etc, etc. In
2011 Smith beat Newton in some of these stat areas and Newton beat Smith in
others. When I say I think Smith will have a better 2012 than Newton I mean
that I think Smith will be ahead of Newton in most of the stats that people
look at.
BTW it is nice to have a football conversation with you.....let's keep it
going whether we agree or disagree.
John Walsh
May 29, 2012, 12:38:54 AM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 16:37:55 -0700, "Leonard" <elkof...@citlink.net>
How many of those touchdowns were passing touchdowns, Sydnoid? Come
on, GM. You know so damn much about everything, give me those passing
vs. rushing touchdowns.
21 passing TD's and 17 interceptions? 14 rushing as well and the
team still ends up 6-10. Smith builds on a good record and Newton
will find that, as with another running QB, teams will start to
neutralize him on the ground. Guess he'll have to throw the ball more
and, considering his TD/INT ration, he should set some records that
most teams wouldn't want to have.
on, GM. You know so damn much about everything, give me those passing
vs. rushing touchdowns.
21 passing TD's and 17 interceptions? 14 rushing as well and the
team still ends up 6-10. Smith builds on a good record and Newton
will find that, as with another running QB, teams will start to
neutralize him on the ground. Guess he'll have to throw the ball more
and, considering his TD/INT ration, he should set some records that
most teams wouldn't want to have.
Sydney Diego
May 29, 2012, 1:07:48 AM5/29/12
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On May 28, 9:38 pm, John Walsh <jwalsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 16:37:55 -0700, "Leonard" <elkofin...@citlink.net>
Of the 21 Passing TDs all 21 were , get this, PASSING.
Dumb old coot.
> Come
> on, GM. You know so damn much about everything, give me those passing
> vs. rushing touchdowns.
>
> 21 passing TD's and 17 interceptions?
As compared to 1TD and 11 INTs in smith's first season.
>14 rushing as well and the
> team still ends up 6-10.
what do you expect form a team that was the wors tin the league the
year before ? I'd say Newton made a huge difference.
How did the 49ers finish in smith's first year ?
> Smith builds on a good record and Newton
> will find that, as with another running QB, teams will start to
> neutralize him on the ground. Guess he'll have to throw the ball more
> and, considering his TD/INT ration,
ration ???
Yeah his "ration" isn't too bad for a rookie, he will only get
better.
Took Smith 4 years to get to that level.
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 16:37:55 -0700, "Leonard" <elkofin...@citlink.net>
Dumb old coot.
> Come
> on, GM. You know so damn much about everything, give me those passing
> vs. rushing touchdowns.
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> 21 passing TD's and 17 interceptions?
>14 rushing as well and the
> team still ends up 6-10.
year before ? I'd say Newton made a huge difference.
How did the 49ers finish in smith's first year ?
> Smith builds on a good record and Newton
> will find that, as with another running QB, teams will start to
> neutralize him on the ground. Guess he'll have to throw the ball more
> and, considering his TD/INT ration,
Yeah his "ration" isn't too bad for a rookie, he will only get
better.
Took Smith 4 years to get to that level.
Sydney Diego
May 29, 2012, 9:31:30 AM5/29/12
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yards and scores 35 TDs and his team STILL goes 6-10 ?
Answer, says the rest of the team SUCKS.
For the mouth breathers again, what does it say when your team has the
29th ranked offense and your team goes to the NFCCG ?
Answer, says the rest of the team played out of their skins and
carried the offense.
If Harbaugh continues to direct his game manager to play the same safe
checkdown game then yes Smith's QBR may be better than Newton. But
really, you want Newton as your QB of the future or Smith ?
Seriously.
skep...@aol.com
May 29, 2012, 1:59:27 PM5/29/12
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pause8cafe
May 29, 2012, 3:08:29 PM5/29/12
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> If Harbaugh continues to direct his game manager to play the same safe
> checkdown game then yes Smith's QBR may be better than Newton. But
> really, you want Newton as your QB of the future or Smith ?
> Seriously.
There go those facts again, Sydney.
> checkdown game then yes Smith's QBR may be better than Newton. But
> really, you want Newton as your QB of the future or Smith ?
> Seriously.
Leonard
May 29, 2012, 10:48:27 PM5/29/12
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does it well that is all you can ask for from the QB.
John Walsh
Jul 28, 2012, 10:28:01 PM7/28/12
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:48:27 -0700, "Leonard" <elkof...@citlink.net>
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You probably won't get an answer back on that one. After all, when
faced with logic, Syd and his shill come up short on replies.
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faced with logic, Syd and his shill come up short on replies.
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