> On Nov 2, 10:02 am, Robin Miller <complex....@invalid.com> wrote:
>> ScottW wrote:
>>> On Nov 2, 7:27 am, Robin Miller <complex....@invalid.com> wrote:

>>>> • San Diego essentially had a four-man rotation at outside linebacker
>>>> Sunday against the Browns with Larry English seeing two defensive snaps.
>>>> That rotation became official Thursday; English was a healthy scratch.

>>>    another AJ success story.....I've lost track of the number of wasted
>>> draft picks on LBs.  If drafting two to find one and then adding in a
>>> couple of FAs is ok....I could do that job and for less than AJ makes.

>>> ScottW

>> Overall, I'm happy with AJ, while acknowledging that he has his blind
>> spots (not drafting players for the offensive line and pissing players
>> and agents off in particular). I think he's brought a lot of talent to
>> this team. But the Chargers had the misfortune--some of it their fault,
>> some not--of losing a lot of talent in a short time: Jamal Williams,
>> Michael Turner, LT, Merriman, Sproles, VJ, Dielman, McNeill, and
>> probably others. I won't put Cromartie on that list, although he had
>> that one great season. Note that they're almost all offensive players,
>> which is one reason why the offense is suffering.

>> FWIW, here's a list of the Chargers' last 10 drafts that I found on
>> another forum:

> and thanks for finding my lost post :)

> Too early to judge 2012 but as far as I can tell...Ingram is the only
> guy contributing in any significant way.  Hopefully Reyes, Taylor and
> Green will all become players.

>> 2012 - San Diego Chargers

>> 1 18 Melvin Ingram LB South Carolina
>> 2 49 Kendall Reyes DE Connecticut
>> 3 73 Brandon Taylor SS LSU
>> 4 110 Ladarius Green TE Louisiana-Lafayette
>> 5 149 Johnnie Troutman G Penn State
>> 7 226 David Molk C Michigan
>> 7 250 Edwin Baker RB Michigan State

> Liuget is coming around looking like a player.

> Gilchrist was slated to take a back seat to Wright if he hadn't
> strained his ankle
> so that's not looking so good.  What happenned to Mouton?

>> 2011 - San Diego Chargers

>> 1 18 Corey Liuget DE Illinois
>> 2 50 Marcus Gilchrist DB Clemson
>> 2 61 Jonas Mouton LB Michigan
>> 3 82 Vincent Brown WR San Diego State
>> 3 89 Shareece Wright DB USC
>> 6 183 Jordan Todman RB Connecticut
>> 6 201 Stephen Schilling T Michigan
>> 7 234 Andrew Gachkar LB Missouri

> This was probably AJs best draft with 3 of his first 4 picks
> contributing
> and Stuckey becoming a STer.

>> 2010 - San Diego Chargers

>> 1 12 Ryan Mathews RB Fresno State
>> 3 79 Donald Butler LB Washington
>> 4 110 Darrell Stuckey DB Kansas
>> 5 146 Cam Thomas DT North Carolina
>> 5 168 Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee
>> 7 235 Dedrick Epps TE Miami (Fla.)

> Now this is officially a big bust.  You just don't piss away first
> rounders without it biting you in the ass.
> Next 3 picks in the 3rd and 4th round are all better than his number 1
> turned out which is hard to do IMO.

>> 2009 - San Diego Chargers

>> 1 16 Larry English DE Northern Illinois
>> 3 78 Louis Vasquez G Texas Tech
>> 4 113 Vaughn Martin DT Western Ontario (Canada)
>> 4 133 Tyronne Green G Auburn
>> 4 134 Gartrell Johnson RB Colorado State
>> 5 148 Brandon Hughes CB Oregon State
>> 6 189 Kevin Ellison DB USC
>> 7 224 Demetrius Byrd WR Louisiana State

> and this draft is really sad.  Cason is playing but remains the
> achilles heel of the defense.

>> 2008 - San Diego Chargers

>> 1 27 Antoine Cason CB Arizona
>> 3 69 Jacob Hester FB Louisiana State
>> 5 166 Marcus Thomas RB Texas-El Paso
>> 6 192 DeJuan Tribble CB Boston College
>> 7 234 Corey Clark T Texas A&M

>   Now these memories are growing more painful.
> Weddle is great...but he's literally the only guy

>> 2007 - San Diego Chargers

>> 1 30 Craig Davis WR Louisiana State
>> 2 37 Eric Weddle SAF Utah
>> 3 96 Anthony Waters LB Clemson
>> 4 129 Scott Chandler TE Iowa
>> 5 172 Legedu Naanee WR Boise State
>> 7 240 Brandon Siler LB Florida
>> Paul Oliver CB Georgia

>   Probably one of AJ better drafts bringing 3 guys that produced
> for a time.....I'm kind of sad we're still enduring Clary at RT
> though.

>> 2006 - San Diego Chargers

>> 1 19 Antonio Cromartie CB Florida State
>> 2 50 Marcus McNeill T Auburn
>> 3 81 Charlie Whitehurst QB Clemson
>> 5 151 Tim Dobbins LB Iowa State
>> 6 187 Jeromey Clary T Kansas State
>> 6 188 Kurt Smith K Virginia
>> 7 225 Chase Page DT North Carolina
>> 7 227 Jimmy Martin C Virginia Tech

>    Clearly his best draft but when you have two first rounders
> it's really hard not to be productive. Still nothing after the 4th.

>> 2005 - San Diego Chargers

>> 1 12 Shawne Merriman OLB Maryland
>> 1 28 Luis Castillo DE Northwestern
>> 2 61 Vincent Jackson WR Northern Colorado
>> 4 130 Darren Sproles RB Kansas State
>> 5 164 Wesley Britt T Alabama
>> 6 177 Wes Sims G Oklahoma
>> 7 242 Scott Mruczkowski C Bowling Green State

>    The Rivers draft....should I say his trade of Eli was a mistake :)
>   again this was decent draft but we were loaded with picks.

>> 2004 - San Diego Chargers

>> 1 1 Eli Manning QB Mississippi
>> 2 35 Igor Olshansky DE Oregon
>> 3 65 Nate Kaeding K Iowa
>> 3 66 Nick Hardwick C Purdue
>> 4 98 Shaun Phillips LB Purdue
>> 5 133 Dave Ball DE UCLA
>> 5 154 Michael Turner RB Northern Illinois
>> 6 169 Ryan Krause TE Nebraska-Omaha
>> 7 204 Ryon Bingham DT Nebraska
>> 7 209 Shane Olivea T Ohio State
>> 7 254 Carlos Joseph -- Miami (Fla.)

> when the best pick in the draft was a punter...can you call it good?

>> 2003 - San Diego Chargers

>> 1 30 Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
>> 2 46 Drayton Florence CB Tuskegee
>> 2 62 Terrence Kiel SS Texas A&M
>> 3 80 Courtney Van Buren T Arkansas-Pine Bluff
>> 4 112 Matt Wilhelm LB Ohio State
>> 5 149 Mike Scifres P Western Illinois
>> 6 188 Hanik Milligan DB Houston
>> 7 229 Andrew Pinnock FB South Carolina

>> --Robin

>   It looks to me like AJs draft history is sub .500.   A couple of good
> ones but more bad ones IMO.

> ScottW