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David F. Mishiwiec Sr.
Nov 12, 2012, 1:23:01 PM11/12/12
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Adam Shein and Rich Gannon are killing Rivers right now. Gannon
specifically is citing Rivers making awful decisions down the stretch
and throwing way too many fourth quarter interceptions. They said that
not only can Rivers not be considered a good quarterback he has now
become a bad QB. Norv cannot win with Rivers at QB was one statement
that nearly had me fall out of my chair.
So what the hell do we do now? Has Rivers become the NFL version of
Chuck Knoblauch? For those of you who don't know, Knoblauch was an
all-star second baseman for the Twins and Yankees who virtually washed
himself out of baseball because he developed a mental block of some kind
and couldn't make a throw to first base to save his life. It was so bad
that it even spilled over to affect his hitting. His throwing was so bad
that in one game while a Yankee his attempted throw to first sailed into
the stands and hit the mother of sportscaster Keith Olbermann in the head.
Now NFLRadio is playing Norv's rant from the post-game press conerence
over and over. We have become the league's laughingstock and if not for
Mark Sanchez an argument could be made that Rivers has become the worst
starting QB in the league. Before there was a lot of head scratching
amongst front office people throughout the league as Rivers seemed to
have the same mechanics as he has had throughout his career. Now, these
people are saying his mechanics are so bad that no two of his
consecutive throws are thrown with the same motion or footwork. The
Monday night Denver game is being specifically cited with his fourth
quarter performance being called horrific. League personnel people are
saying he has always had a hitch in his throw but in that game he had
some throws with two or three hitches in his throws and his footwork is
abysmal.
This could not come at a worse time. With the decline of talent at our
skill positions on offense we were relying on Rivers to not just
compensate for that but to overcome it. Instead, Rivers has become the
biggest liability on offense. IMHO, only a return of a strong rushing
attack can turn him around. Rivers has always tried too hard to make
something happen on every play instead of recognizing when the defense
simply has your number, throw the ball away and live to fight on the
next play. On that pick six yesterday he looked like a beaten man not
just player and his play reflected that.
I see no easy fix here, In fact, it is now so bad that I think he needs
to sit, we need to write off our season and hope that he can come back
in 2013 abd be the player he used to be. The really sucky part of all of
this is the fact that we can no longer assume that the QB position is
all set for the next five or so seasons. We are actually going to have
to draft or acquire a possible replacement for Rivers in the offseason
but a drafted player will take at least a season or two to develop into
a starter. Maybe this goes back to the two season he sat behind Brees
and his drive to prove himself superior to Brees has consumed him so
much that he cannot see the bigger picture.
So fellow Chargers fans my question to you is this, where do we go from
here? We do not have another QB on the roster to plug in and give Rivers
a break. It is so bad that I am hoping he gets hurt and has to sit so he
can clear his head. Unfortunately, given his makeup I fear that an
injury may only serve to heighten this overwhelming penchant to force
plays and making avoidable errors that are losing us ballgames.
What do you guys think?
--
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David F. Mishiwiec Sr.
“I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any
party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in
anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such addiction
is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to
heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.”
~Thomas Jefferson~
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specifically is citing Rivers making awful decisions down the stretch
and throwing way too many fourth quarter interceptions. They said that
not only can Rivers not be considered a good quarterback he has now
become a bad QB. Norv cannot win with Rivers at QB was one statement
that nearly had me fall out of my chair.
So what the hell do we do now? Has Rivers become the NFL version of
Chuck Knoblauch? For those of you who don't know, Knoblauch was an
all-star second baseman for the Twins and Yankees who virtually washed
himself out of baseball because he developed a mental block of some kind
and couldn't make a throw to first base to save his life. It was so bad
that it even spilled over to affect his hitting. His throwing was so bad
that in one game while a Yankee his attempted throw to first sailed into
the stands and hit the mother of sportscaster Keith Olbermann in the head.
Now NFLRadio is playing Norv's rant from the post-game press conerence
over and over. We have become the league's laughingstock and if not for
Mark Sanchez an argument could be made that Rivers has become the worst
starting QB in the league. Before there was a lot of head scratching
amongst front office people throughout the league as Rivers seemed to
have the same mechanics as he has had throughout his career. Now, these
people are saying his mechanics are so bad that no two of his
consecutive throws are thrown with the same motion or footwork. The
Monday night Denver game is being specifically cited with his fourth
quarter performance being called horrific. League personnel people are
saying he has always had a hitch in his throw but in that game he had
some throws with two or three hitches in his throws and his footwork is
abysmal.
This could not come at a worse time. With the decline of talent at our
skill positions on offense we were relying on Rivers to not just
compensate for that but to overcome it. Instead, Rivers has become the
biggest liability on offense. IMHO, only a return of a strong rushing
attack can turn him around. Rivers has always tried too hard to make
something happen on every play instead of recognizing when the defense
simply has your number, throw the ball away and live to fight on the
next play. On that pick six yesterday he looked like a beaten man not
just player and his play reflected that.
I see no easy fix here, In fact, it is now so bad that I think he needs
to sit, we need to write off our season and hope that he can come back
in 2013 abd be the player he used to be. The really sucky part of all of
this is the fact that we can no longer assume that the QB position is
all set for the next five or so seasons. We are actually going to have
to draft or acquire a possible replacement for Rivers in the offseason
but a drafted player will take at least a season or two to develop into
a starter. Maybe this goes back to the two season he sat behind Brees
and his drive to prove himself superior to Brees has consumed him so
much that he cannot see the bigger picture.
So fellow Chargers fans my question to you is this, where do we go from
here? We do not have another QB on the roster to plug in and give Rivers
a break. It is so bad that I am hoping he gets hurt and has to sit so he
can clear his head. Unfortunately, given his makeup I fear that an
injury may only serve to heighten this overwhelming penchant to force
plays and making avoidable errors that are losing us ballgames.
What do you guys think?
--
**********************************************************************************************************************************
David F. Mishiwiec Sr.
“I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any
party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in
anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such addiction
is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to
heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.”
~Thomas Jefferson~
**********************************************************************************************************************************
Robin Miller
Nov 12, 2012, 3:17:59 PM11/12/12
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David F. Mishiwiec Sr. wrote:
> Adam Shein and Rich Gannon are killing Rivers right now. Gannon
> specifically is citing Rivers making awful decisions down the stretch
> and throwing way too many fourth quarter interceptions. They said that
> not only can Rivers not be considered a good quarterback he has now
> become a bad QB. Norv cannot win with Rivers at QB was one statement
> that nearly had me fall out of my chair.
I think it's ironic that Rivers was Norv's biggest booster on the team
> Adam Shein and Rich Gannon are killing Rivers right now. Gannon
> specifically is citing Rivers making awful decisions down the stretch
> and throwing way too many fourth quarter interceptions. They said that
> not only can Rivers not be considered a good quarterback he has now
> become a bad QB. Norv cannot win with Rivers at QB was one statement
> that nearly had me fall out of my chair.
but may end up being the reason that Norv loses his job.
> So what the hell do we do now? Has Rivers become the NFL version of
> Chuck Knoblauch? For those of you who don't know, Knoblauch was an
> all-star second baseman for the Twins and Yankees who virtually washed
> himself out of baseball because he developed a mental block of some kind
> and couldn't make a throw to first base to save his life. It was so bad
> that it even spilled over to affect his hitting. His throwing was so bad
> that in one game while a Yankee his attempted throw to first sailed into
> the stands and hit the mother of sportscaster Keith Olbermann in the head.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Knoblauch
Of course, he ended up being unable to make _most_ throws. That's
different from the one or two killer throws that Rivers makes.
My mom has also told me about golf announcer Johnny Miller's "yips" with
his putting when he was a pro golfer:
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/04/sports/son-helps-miller-fight-yips.html
> Now NFLRadio is playing Norv's rant from the post-game press conerence
> over and over. We have become the league's laughingstock and if not for
> Mark Sanchez an argument could be made that Rivers has become the worst
> starting QB in the league. Before there was a lot of head scratching
> amongst front office people throughout the league as Rivers seemed to
> have the same mechanics as he has had throughout his career. Now, these
> people are saying his mechanics are so bad that no two of his
> consecutive throws are thrown with the same motion or footwork. The
> Monday night Denver game is being specifically cited with his fourth
> quarter performance being called horrific. League personnel people are
> saying he has always had a hitch in his throw but in that game he had
> some throws with two or three hitches in his throws and his footwork is
> abysmal.
his throwing motion, he wouldn't be able to hit 40 out of 46, as he did
over a game and a half until the end of Sunday's game.
>
> So fellow Chargers fans my question to you is this, where do we go from
> here? We do not have another QB on the roster to plug in and give Rivers
> a break. It is so bad that I am hoping he gets hurt and has to sit so he
> can clear his head. Unfortunately, given his makeup I fear that an
> injury may only serve to heighten this overwhelming penchant to force
> plays and making avoidable errors that are losing us ballgames.
good quarterback.
The much bigger problem, I think, is the complete lack of talent on
offense. I went through the personnel groups in a post on Sunday:
--The wide receivers are way below average. Only Floyd is any good.
Alexander has immediately become the best- or second-best wideout on the
team, pending Vincent Brown's return.
--Gates is declining at tight end, and the others aren't picking up the
slack. He looked very slow on Sunday, which was disappointing since he
looked pretty fast earlier in the season.
--Matthews is decent but not a threat for a game-changing play.
--The offensive line has been terrible.
This is not to excuse Rivers. It's to point out the pressure he's
playing under all the time to try to will the team to a win. It's
compounded by the fact that the team's defense is quite competent but
seems incapable of making game-changing plays, so the offense always has
to be the unit to win the game.
Thoughtful post, David. Thanks.
--Robin
ScottW
Nov 13, 2012, 11:34:59 AM11/13/12
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On Nov 12, 12:19 pm, Robin Miller <complex....@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> But his problem is much more mental than physical. If the problem was
> his throwing motion, he wouldn't be able to hit 40 out of 46, as he did
> over a game and a half until the end of Sunday's game.
Yet he was throwing to a way below average talent receiving
>
> But his problem is much more mental than physical. If the problem was
> his throwing motion, he wouldn't be able to hit 40 out of 46, as he did
> over a game and a half until the end of Sunday's game.
corp...who would have
thought it possible.
>
>
>
> > So fellow Chargers fans my question to you is this, where do we go from
> > here? We do not have another QB on the roster to plug in and give Rivers
> > a break. It is so bad that I am hoping he gets hurt and has to sit so he
> > can clear his head. Unfortunately, given his makeup I fear that an
> > injury may only serve to heighten this overwhelming penchant to force
> > plays and making avoidable errors that are losing us ballgames.
>
> I think it's crazy to wish for an injury. And Whitehurst is not a very
> good quarterback.
I've seen a lot of QBs not get it for some time. Whitehurst was not a
>
>
> > So fellow Chargers fans my question to you is this, where do we go from
> > here? We do not have another QB on the roster to plug in and give Rivers
> > a break. It is so bad that I am hoping he gets hurt and has to sit so he
> > can clear his head. Unfortunately, given his makeup I fear that an
> > injury may only serve to heighten this overwhelming penchant to force
> > plays and making avoidable errors that are losing us ballgames.
>
> I think it's crazy to wish for an injury. And Whitehurst is not a very
> good quarterback.
very good QB in Seattle....we don't know how much he's learned from
those experiences or how he'd do in Norv's system.
IMO there are thousands of guys who can make the throws required to be
an NFL QB. The rest is all mental quickness.
Rivers has never been a great pure passer....even when he completes 40
of 46 he completes passes that put receivers on the ground that need
to be catches and runs...or throwing short to the open guy behind the
D turning a TD into a just a big play.
>
> The much bigger problem, I think, is the complete lack of talent on
Most pundits said the O-line...even with Harris...played well enough
to beat TB.
Gates looked pretty fast getting behind the defense on that early
throw.
He's a big guy and they usually "look" slow. He's usually faster than
the LBs trying to cover him. After that play TB doubled him most of
the remainder of the game.
I think your assessment is simply wrong. The rest of the team is not
horrible or no matter what Rivers wouldn't be able to snatch defeat
from the jaws of victory.
We'd never see those jaws.
Could the O-line be better? Yes. But Rivers still is throwing making
bad plays even when they do their job.
ScottW
David F. Mishiwiec Sr.
Nov 13, 2012, 8:37:08 PM11/13/12
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On 11/12/12 12:17 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
> David F. Mishiwiec Sr. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> David F. Mishiwiec Sr. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> Now NFLRadio is playing Norv's rant from the post-game press conerence
>> over and over. We have become the league's laughingstock and if not for
>> Mark Sanchez an argument could be made that Rivers has become the worst
>> starting QB in the league. Before there was a lot of head scratching
>> amongst front office people throughout the league as Rivers seemed to
>> have the same mechanics as he has had throughout his career. Now, these
>> people are saying his mechanics are so bad that no two of his
>> consecutive throws are thrown with the same motion or footwork. The
>> Monday night Denver game is being specifically cited with his fourth
>> quarter performance being called horrific. League personnel people are
>> saying he has always had a hitch in his throw but in that game he had
>> some throws with two or three hitches in his throws and his footwork is
>> abysmal.
>
>
> But his problem is much more mental than physical. If the problem was
> his throwing motion, he wouldn't be able to hit 40 out of 46, as he did
> over a game and a half until the end of Sunday's game.
>
>
>>
>>
>
> <snip>
>
>
>> Now NFLRadio is playing Norv's rant from the post-game press conerence
>> over and over. We have become the league's laughingstock and if not for
>> Mark Sanchez an argument could be made that Rivers has become the worst
>> starting QB in the league. Before there was a lot of head scratching
>> amongst front office people throughout the league as Rivers seemed to
>> have the same mechanics as he has had throughout his career. Now, these
>> people are saying his mechanics are so bad that no two of his
>> consecutive throws are thrown with the same motion or footwork. The
>> Monday night Denver game is being specifically cited with his fourth
>> quarter performance being called horrific. League personnel people are
>> saying he has always had a hitch in his throw but in that game he had
>> some throws with two or three hitches in his throws and his footwork is
>> abysmal.
>
>
> But his problem is much more mental than physical. If the problem was
> his throwing motion, he wouldn't be able to hit 40 out of 46, as he did
> over a game and a half until the end of Sunday's game.
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
That 40 of 46 proves my point. How many of those 6 incompletions were
actually interceptions? That is what I mean about his refusal to throw
the ball away. The defense will simply guess right sometimes, about 50%
of the time if the law of averages holds true. On some of those
occasions you may be able to hit the checkoff receiver but sometimes
even he will be unavailable or covered well enough to warrant taking an
incompletion. This is why he's throwing so many stupid interceptions.
Whether is be vanity or greed or both he simply cannot accept failure
and we lose as a result.
dave
Nov 13, 2012, 9:25:35 PM11/13/12
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Robin Miller
Nov 13, 2012, 11:50:29 PM11/13/12
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David F. Mishiwiec Sr. wrote:
>
> That 40 of 46 proves my point. How many of those 6 incompletions were
> actually interceptions? That is what I mean about his refusal to throw
> the ball away. The defense will simply guess right sometimes, about 50%
> of the time if the law of averages holds true. On some of those
> occasions you may be able to hit the checkoff receiver but sometimes
> even he will be unavailable or covered well enough to warrant taking an
> incompletion. This is why he's throwing so many stupid interceptions.
> Whether is be vanity or greed or both he simply cannot accept failure
> and we lose as a result.
>
You know, David, something I wonder about is whether some of Rivers'
>
> That 40 of 46 proves my point. How many of those 6 incompletions were
> actually interceptions? That is what I mean about his refusal to throw
> the ball away. The defense will simply guess right sometimes, about 50%
> of the time if the law of averages holds true. On some of those
> occasions you may be able to hit the checkoff receiver but sometimes
> even he will be unavailable or covered well enough to warrant taking an
> incompletion. This is why he's throwing so many stupid interceptions.
> Whether is be vanity or greed or both he simply cannot accept failure
> and we lose as a result.
>
problems the last couple of years have just been bad luck. I'm not
trying to excuse the interceptions, but I think about the fumbled snap
in overtime against Kansas City last season, and then the soft pass
right to the defender that was returned for a touchdown in the last game
(after which Rivers said that the ball somehow stayed in his hand for
too long so that he didn't get any lift on the pass), and I wonder if
some of the problems are just some one-in-a-million plays ganging up on
Rivers. I mean, some of the plays are simply inexplicable. Others are
clearly bad throws, like that final interception in the Tampa Bay game,
when he was under pressure and threw the ball short and inside instead
of long and to the sideline. Or the underthrown pass to Gates early in
the game that would have been a touchdown if thrown properly. In other
words, a lot of the bad plays are clearly traceable to a bad throw, but
some of the plays are so completely crazy that I wonder if those plays
are just really, really bad luck.
--Robin
dave
Nov 16, 2012, 9:46:59 AM11/16/12
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Robin Miller
Nov 16, 2012, 11:20:41 AM11/16/12
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dave wrote:
>
>>
>> --Robin
>
> I was watching something on Mike Vick where they were talking about luck. They broke down one of his great seasons and said he had 30 interceptable passes. Of those 30 the D got like 12 or something. The bad year he had like 33 interceptable passes and the D got like 20.
>
Interesting ...
>
>>
>> --Robin
>
> I was watching something on Mike Vick where they were talking about luck. They broke down one of his great seasons and said he had 30 interceptable passes. Of those 30 the D got like 12 or something. The bad year he had like 33 interceptable passes and the D got like 20.
>
--Robin
dave
Nov 16, 2012, 12:02:40 PM11/16/12
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>
> >
>
> > I was watching something on Mike Vick where they were talking about luck. They broke down one of his great seasons and said he had 30 interceptable passes. Of those 30 the D got like 12 or something. The bad year he had like 33 interceptable passes and the D got like 20.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Interesting ...
>
>
>
> --Robin
Dave
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