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David F. Mishiwiec Sr.
Sep 24, 2012, 12:09:49 PM9/24/12
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OK, here's my simplified take on yesterday's debacle at the Stadium
versus the Falcons.
First, the killer was the Matthews fumble. That one play turned the
entire complexion of the game. That was at least 3 points squandered and
likely 7. Coming of an injury he had to know that the Falcons were going
to be going after the ball every time he carried the rock. Regarless,
when you get down inside the red zone you must protect the football no
matter what. Just a very devastating play and a rookie-type mistake that
a veteran player cannot make.
Second, Phillip Rivers. I think that he played his worst game of his
entire career yesterday. I am not talking about stats or rankings or
ratings but overall effectiveness. He looked lost much of the time and
coming off of his performance last season this was bitterly
disappointing. I only saw one of his picks on the sideline and that ball
should never have been thrown. He didn't see a wide open Gates on a seam
route on the drive that culminated in the Matthews fumble which would
have been six points and that pretty much epitomized his play yesterday.
He seemed overly focused on his intended receiver and not able to adapt
either during a play or on-the-fly in regards to game planning. This
game was a step backwards for Rivers and he is simply too experienced to
play like a rookie.
Third, defensively I expected more. You can't lay the blame for this
loss on the defense given the horrendous play of the offense but the
defense could not provide a spark for the team when it was desperately
needed. The defensive front never seemed to be able to apply any
meaningful pressure. The Falcons were able to make plays offensively as
needed and the final score does not reflect the way in which we were
dominated.
Overall this was a bitterly disappointing loss. The Falcons are a very
good team so losing to them is not embarrassing however the way we lost
is. Going into Arrowhead next week is a tough game and we have a history
of playing poorly there so 2-2 is likely after next weekend's game. This
game serves to prove my feeling that even if we should be lucky enough
to make the playoffs we will make an early exit. We just aren't tough
enough to win when it counts and I am not sure we ever will be under Norv.
--
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David F. Mishiwiec Sr.
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic
into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting
measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension,
is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."
~John Adams~, letter to Jonathan Jackson, Oct. 2, 1789
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versus the Falcons.
First, the killer was the Matthews fumble. That one play turned the
entire complexion of the game. That was at least 3 points squandered and
likely 7. Coming of an injury he had to know that the Falcons were going
to be going after the ball every time he carried the rock. Regarless,
when you get down inside the red zone you must protect the football no
matter what. Just a very devastating play and a rookie-type mistake that
a veteran player cannot make.
Second, Phillip Rivers. I think that he played his worst game of his
entire career yesterday. I am not talking about stats or rankings or
ratings but overall effectiveness. He looked lost much of the time and
coming off of his performance last season this was bitterly
disappointing. I only saw one of his picks on the sideline and that ball
should never have been thrown. He didn't see a wide open Gates on a seam
route on the drive that culminated in the Matthews fumble which would
have been six points and that pretty much epitomized his play yesterday.
He seemed overly focused on his intended receiver and not able to adapt
either during a play or on-the-fly in regards to game planning. This
game was a step backwards for Rivers and he is simply too experienced to
play like a rookie.
Third, defensively I expected more. You can't lay the blame for this
loss on the defense given the horrendous play of the offense but the
defense could not provide a spark for the team when it was desperately
needed. The defensive front never seemed to be able to apply any
meaningful pressure. The Falcons were able to make plays offensively as
needed and the final score does not reflect the way in which we were
dominated.
Overall this was a bitterly disappointing loss. The Falcons are a very
good team so losing to them is not embarrassing however the way we lost
is. Going into Arrowhead next week is a tough game and we have a history
of playing poorly there so 2-2 is likely after next weekend's game. This
game serves to prove my feeling that even if we should be lucky enough
to make the playoffs we will make an early exit. We just aren't tough
enough to win when it counts and I am not sure we ever will be under Norv.
--
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David F. Mishiwiec Sr.
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic
into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting
measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension,
is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."
~John Adams~, letter to Jonathan Jackson, Oct. 2, 1789
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sdavmor
Sep 24, 2012, 1:00:13 PM9/24/12
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really stepping it up compared to weeks 1 & 2. I didn't see any of the
Denver game so I can't comment on it other than they apparently went out
fighting.
--
SDM a 21st century schizoid man in SoCal
Systems Theory website www.systemstheory.net
"overfulnoisecascade" CD coming soon
Lucab12
Sep 24, 2012, 1:49:11 PM9/24/12
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What makes it even worse is that it was a carbon copy of their last early season "statement game: in NE last year. I saw on Twitter that Ollie Wilson was even trying to strip the ball from Mathews on warm ups.
Same old Bolts.
Rivers? He cannot throw that pass to Gates. I don't care how frustrated he was or deflated after the fumble. It was only slight better than the Chicago game where he threw a pick TRYING TO THROW IT OUT OF BOUNDS. Mike Harris won't hold up, but Gaither is nowhere to be found
Same old Bolts.
Same old Bolts.
Rivers? He cannot throw that pass to Gates. I don't care how frustrated he was or deflated after the fumble. It was only slight better than the Chicago game where he threw a pick TRYING TO THROW IT OUT OF BOUNDS. Mike Harris won't hold up, but Gaither is nowhere to be found
Same old Bolts.
ScottW
Sep 24, 2012, 1:51:59 PM9/24/12
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On Sep 24, 9:11 am, "David F. Mishiwiec Sr." <davemis...@gmail.com>
wrote:
traffic and his post game remarks shows he doesn't even recognize the
problem implying he needs to get down quicker blah blah blah...
He'll keep fumbling and defenses will key on stripping him if he keeps
trying to hang onto the ball with one arm.
>
> Second, Phillip Rivers. I think that he played his worst game of his
> entire career yesterday. I am not talking about stats or rankings or
> ratings but overall effectiveness. He looked lost much of the time and
> coming off of his performance last season this was bitterly
> disappointing. I only saw one of his picks on the sideline and that ball
> should never have been thrown. He didn't see a wide open Gates on a seam
> route on the drive that culminated in the Matthews fumble which would
> have been six points and that pretty much epitomized his play yesterday.
> He seemed overly focused on his intended receiver and not able to adapt
> either during a play or on-the-fly in regards to game planning. This
> game was a step backwards for Rivers and he is simply too experienced to
> play like a rookie.
It's also a game plan for all defenses to use until Rivers shows he
can adapt....and I'm not sure he can. Bottom line, Rivers isn't a
consistent threat that can force teams from crowding the LoS. He'll
put together some drives but just as often goes 3 and out (just when
the defense needs them to control the ball) and his red zone
production is pathetic. Teams are going to get in his face and if he
keeps tossing it up off his back foot he'll keep getting picked.
I thought the contrast in velocity and accuracy between Rivers and
Mathews was apparent. Rivers couldn't make the perfect throw against
single coverage while Mathews was beating double teams with the
perfect throw all game long.
quick accuracte release. He also seems to have much more command of
his offense and reads the D better. There were times he knew exactly
where he was going and made a perfect quick toss....the TD over Jammer
was just one example.
> The Falcons were able to make plays offensively as
> needed and the final score does not reflect the way in which we were
> dominated.
The Falcons D had not dominated anyone before. Coming off a short
week with long travel on the road just shows how pathetic the Chargers
played.
And the offense sucking early really gassed the D. The heat had our
front giving little more than token effort early in the 2nd half.
>
> Overall this was a bitterly disappointing loss. The Falcons are a very
> good team so losing to them is not embarrassing however the way we lost
> is. Going into Arrowhead next week is a tough game and we have a history
> of playing poorly there so 2-2 is likely after next weekend's game. This
> game serves to prove my feeling that even if we should be lucky enough
> to make the playoffs we will make an early exit. We just aren't tough
> enough to win when it counts and I am not sure we ever will be under Norv.
I can't believe Norv keeps taking yap from Rivers when he's playing so
poorly.
Norv's cart has been hitched to that horse his entire career in SD and
I think
our QB is as much the problem as our coach who puts up with him.
ScottW
wrote:
> OK, here's my simplified take on yesterday's debacle at the Stadium
> versus the Falcons.
>
> First, the killer was the Matthews fumble. That one play turned the
> entire complexion of the game. That was at least 3 points squandered and
> likely 7. Coming of an injury he had to know that the Falcons were going
> to be going after the ball every time he carried the rock. Regarless,
> when you get down inside the red zone you must protect the football no
> matter what. Just a very devastating play and a rookie-type mistake that
> a veteran player cannot make.
It's the same stuff from Mathews. One arm on the ball when running in
> versus the Falcons.
>
> First, the killer was the Matthews fumble. That one play turned the
> entire complexion of the game. That was at least 3 points squandered and
> likely 7. Coming of an injury he had to know that the Falcons were going
> to be going after the ball every time he carried the rock. Regarless,
> when you get down inside the red zone you must protect the football no
> matter what. Just a very devastating play and a rookie-type mistake that
> a veteran player cannot make.
traffic and his post game remarks shows he doesn't even recognize the
problem implying he needs to get down quicker blah blah blah...
He'll keep fumbling and defenses will key on stripping him if he keeps
trying to hang onto the ball with one arm.
>
> Second, Phillip Rivers. I think that he played his worst game of his
> entire career yesterday. I am not talking about stats or rankings or
> ratings but overall effectiveness. He looked lost much of the time and
> coming off of his performance last season this was bitterly
> disappointing. I only saw one of his picks on the sideline and that ball
> should never have been thrown. He didn't see a wide open Gates on a seam
> route on the drive that culminated in the Matthews fumble which would
> have been six points and that pretty much epitomized his play yesterday.
> He seemed overly focused on his intended receiver and not able to adapt
> either during a play or on-the-fly in regards to game planning. This
> game was a step backwards for Rivers and he is simply too experienced to
> play like a rookie.
can adapt....and I'm not sure he can. Bottom line, Rivers isn't a
consistent threat that can force teams from crowding the LoS. He'll
put together some drives but just as often goes 3 and out (just when
the defense needs them to control the ball) and his red zone
production is pathetic. Teams are going to get in his face and if he
keeps tossing it up off his back foot he'll keep getting picked.
I thought the contrast in velocity and accuracy between Rivers and
Mathews was apparent. Rivers couldn't make the perfect throw against
single coverage while Mathews was beating double teams with the
perfect throw all game long.
>
> Third, defensively I expected more. You can't lay the blame for this
> loss on the defense given the horrendous play of the offense but the
> defense could not provide a spark for the team when it was desperately
> needed. The defensive front never seemed to be able to apply any
> meaningful pressure.
I thought they were close many times but Mathews is mobile, and has a
> Third, defensively I expected more. You can't lay the blame for this
> loss on the defense given the horrendous play of the offense but the
> defense could not provide a spark for the team when it was desperately
> needed. The defensive front never seemed to be able to apply any
> meaningful pressure.
quick accuracte release. He also seems to have much more command of
his offense and reads the D better. There were times he knew exactly
where he was going and made a perfect quick toss....the TD over Jammer
was just one example.
> The Falcons were able to make plays offensively as
> needed and the final score does not reflect the way in which we were
> dominated.
week with long travel on the road just shows how pathetic the Chargers
played.
And the offense sucking early really gassed the D. The heat had our
front giving little more than token effort early in the 2nd half.
>
> Overall this was a bitterly disappointing loss. The Falcons are a very
> good team so losing to them is not embarrassing however the way we lost
> is. Going into Arrowhead next week is a tough game and we have a history
> of playing poorly there so 2-2 is likely after next weekend's game. This
> game serves to prove my feeling that even if we should be lucky enough
> to make the playoffs we will make an early exit. We just aren't tough
> enough to win when it counts and I am not sure we ever will be under Norv.
poorly.
Norv's cart has been hitched to that horse his entire career in SD and
I think
our QB is as much the problem as our coach who puts up with him.
ScottW
Robin Miller
Sep 24, 2012, 2:18:37 PM9/24/12
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ScottW wrote:
> I thought the contrast in velocity and accuracy between Rivers and
> Mathews was apparent. Rivers couldn't make the perfect throw against
> single coverage while Mathews was beating double teams with the
> perfect throw all game long.
Just to clear things up, I wanted to observe that you wrote Mathews when
> I thought the contrast in velocity and accuracy between Rivers and
> Mathews was apparent. Rivers couldn't make the perfect throw against
> single coverage while Mathews was beating double teams with the
> perfect throw all game long.
you meant Ryan.
I haven't seen much of the game yet, but it sounds like Rivers was under
so much pressure all the time that it's not really fair to compare his
performance with Ryan's.
There is never anyone for Rivers to throw to quickly. Royal was supposed
to be that guy. Maybe he needs to start instead of Meachum so that
Rivers will always have a potential quick target.
Why do the Chargers still not have 10-yard passing routes? They're all
20+, and when backs go out for a checkdown pass they always stop two
yards short of the first-down marker and are immediately tackled.
--Robin
Robin Miller
Sep 24, 2012, 2:37:43 PM9/24/12
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there have to be changes. The Chargers desperately need help on the
offensive line; maybe at least some of that will come from Gaither. If
they can't significantly upgrade the OL protection, they need to start
Floyd and Royal as the WRs, have Royal and Gates run
short-to-intermediate routes, and start Battle as the halfback. He can
release if he's not needed for protection. But right now Rivers is under
too much duress to run the offense Norv wants to run.
I think this is a big test of Norv to see whether he adapts to changing
circumstances.
--Robin
David F. Mishiwiec Sr.
Sep 24, 2012, 7:26:34 PM9/24/12
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him as such. He IS the gut to throw the quick slant routes to except we
aren't utilizing him that way. He will not be the answer starting in
either the flanker or split end position, IMHO. I watched some of the
highlghts and caught River's interception on the play to Gates. That
pick was worse than the other one. Yes Rivers was under pressure but a
veteran QB cannot make those kind of plays.
ScottW
Sep 25, 2012, 10:27:58 AM9/25/12
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On Sep 24, 11:18 am, Robin Miller <complex....@invalid.com> wrote:
> ScottW wrote:
> > I thought the contrast in velocity and accuracy between Rivers and
> > Mathews was apparent. Rivers couldn't make the perfect throw against
> > single coverage while Mathews was beating double teams with the
> > perfect throw all game long.
>
> Just to clear things up, I wanted to observe that you wrote Mathews when
> you meant Ryan.
Yeah, thanks.
> ScottW wrote:
> > I thought the contrast in velocity and accuracy between Rivers and
> > Mathews was apparent. Rivers couldn't make the perfect throw against
> > single coverage while Mathews was beating double teams with the
> > perfect throw all game long.
>
> Just to clear things up, I wanted to observe that you wrote Mathews when
> you meant Ryan.
>
> I haven't seen much of the game yet, but it sounds like Rivers was under
> so much pressure all the time that it's not really fair to compare his
> performance with Ryan's.
Watch the game and then you may have an informed opinion. Yeah,
> I haven't seen much of the game yet, but it sounds like Rivers was under
> so much pressure all the time that it's not really fair to compare his
> performance with Ryan's.
Rivers was under pressure. Ryan was also was under pressure early yet
his quick release and laser throws beat the pressure. Rivers in
contrast leaned back and tossed it up.
>
> There is never anyone for Rivers to throw to quickly. Royal was supposed
> to be that guy.
Rivers missed him too. You're missing the point. A perfect throw
> There is never anyone for Rivers to throw to quickly. Royal was supposed
> to be that guy.
beats perfect coveragle. Now Chargers coverage wasn't perfect but Ryan
was zipping the ball on target and beating some decent coverage.
Rivers was not.
> Maybe he needs to start instead of Meachum so that
> Rivers will always have a potential quick target.
>
> Why do the Chargers still not have 10-yard passing routes? They're all
> 20+,
deep first and then check back down. IMO, Rivers is slow to go
through the reads (and his pre-snap reads don't often seem to help
eliminate options to speed up the progression) so by the time he gets
to the short guy he's already 10 yards down field.
> and when backs go out for a checkdown pass they always stop two
> yards short of the first-down marker and are immediately tackled.
Receivers are taught to come back to the ball to prevent the defender
from stepping in front and picking.
On 3rd downs the DBs or safety with short cover responsibility are
often taught to set up at the first down line so a receiver that wants
to curl in front of them will come up short. The Chargers D played
this way almost all the time but Gonzo still made catch after catch
often straddled by 2 defenders. The ball came in quck and on target.
ScottW
ScottW
Sep 25, 2012, 10:42:04 AM9/25/12
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On Sep 24, 4:26 pm, "David F. Mishiwiec Sr." <davemis...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Nor should he miss the wide open Gates running down the seam uncovered
for an easy 6.
The team has issues....but IMO the two most glaring are Mathews fumble
and Rivers inability to deal with pressure. The O-line is what it is
and while Harris struggled...he wasn't the only one so I don't expect
this line to consistently give Rivers 4 seconds and a step up lane
play after play. It isn't going to happen.
Rivers needs to deal with it.
ScottW
wrote:
for an easy 6.
The team has issues....but IMO the two most glaring are Mathews fumble
and Rivers inability to deal with pressure. The O-line is what it is
and while Harris struggled...he wasn't the only one so I don't expect
this line to consistently give Rivers 4 seconds and a step up lane
play after play. It isn't going to happen.
Rivers needs to deal with it.
ScottW
ScottW
Sep 25, 2012, 10:42:15 AM9/25/12
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receivers....2 TEs and 1 back.
>
> I think this is a big test of Norv to see whether he adapts to changing
> circumstances.
>
I agree that the o-line sucks but I don't think you game plan every
> I think this is a big test of Norv to see whether he adapts to changing
> circumstances.
>
week as if you're going up against Atlanta. They are better than
everyone in the AFCW right now.
ScottW
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