Re: This is why we got rid of Leon?
papa.carl44
"graybeard" <gray...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> From nydailynews.com
>
> <quote>
>
> New York Jets' NFL draft pick Joe McKnight looks below average at
> minicamp, lacks conditioning
>
> BY Matt Gagne
> DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
>
> Sunday, May 2nd 2010, 4:00 AM
>
> First it was nerves and dehydration, then it was a stomach virus that
> caused Joe McKnight to throw up, double over in pain, suffer leg cramps
> and languish around the field while everyone else feared slowing down
> for even the briefest of moments.
>
> Turns out it was just a lack of conditioning.
>
> The running back that the Jets traded Leon Washington to move up and
> grab in the fourth round of last month's draft, admitted Saturday that
> he arrived at rookie minicamp hardly in top form.
>
> "I'm not in good shape right now," McKnight said following Saturday
> afternoon's practice in Florham Park. "I'm in OK shape, but not the
> best, it could be better. I need to work out and just get back in
> shape."
>
> After throwing up Friday morning and missing practice time because of
> cramping in his calf muscles, McKnight vowed to "keep myself hydrated"
> and blamed his breakdown on "a lot of nerves." But there was little
> improvement yesterday, except for the fact that McKnight "didn't give it
> up" - his way of saying he didn't throw up again.
>
> Yet he nearly did.
>
> McKnight watched most of Saturday morning's practice from a bended knee
> - as if he were celebrating a touchdown - until a coach told him to join
> the other players or get off the field. Rising slowly, McKnight hung his
> head and made his way to the back of the end zone, where he fell to both
> knees and stabilized himself with an outstretched arm. Two trainers
> worked on McKnight, covering him with wet towels as he appeared to be
> dry heaving.
>
> "Every time I look around he's got a wet towel around his neck," said a
> clearly displeased Rex Ryan. "And then he's making one mistake after
> another."
>
> Even though temperatures were pushing 90 degrees, the scene was not
> repeated with any of the other 46 players, most of them undrafted and
> giving their all in a bid to earn an invite to training camp.
>
> It's something that McKnight, despite being taken with the 112th overall
> pick, isn't taking for granted.
>
> "Every day I have to prove myself, that's how I feel," said McKnight,
> who has drawn the ire of running backs coach Anthony Lynn. "Be a pro,
> that's what he told me the other day. He didn't like what I was doing
> out there, professionals don't (throw up)."
>
> Ryan speculated that McKnight might be battling "a bug or something,"
> and McKnight offered a similar theory moments before he copped to his
> poor conditioning, which he blamed on the whirlwind of the draft and a
> new change of pace.
>
> "I'm just trying to get used to this process, just the tempo of
> practice," he said.
>
> Ryan envisions using McKnight as an occasional slot receiver - the same
> way Washington was used - but the rookie has struggled to make a good
> first impression, compounding his poor conditioning with several dropped
> passes and mental mistakes.
>
> During a seven-on-seven passing drill, for instance, coaches began
> yelling at him for going in motion left when the play called for motion
> right. It's a simple mistake, but during a time when Ryan jokes that
> "Summit High School beats us by two touchdowns," the coaches' response
> is a sign that their patience is being tested.
>
> McKnight motioned correctly on the next play, only to jump offside.
> Continuing on despite the false start, he ran a slant route and dropped
> a perfectly thrown pass in a wide-open area. The next time out, McKnight
> dropped another ball that hit him squarely in the numbers.
>
> A few hours before McKnight admitted to being out of shape, Ryan
> addressed the media and seemed perplexed by the rookie's condition.
>
> "I don't know exactly what it is, but he's fighting through it," Ryan
> said. "The thing that I appreciate about him is that he is trying to
> fight through it, albeit on a knee most of the time."
>
> Just like the patience, that appreciation may be wearing thin.
>
> </quote>
>
> --
> graybeard
All you guys know I was a big Leon fan...I really felt he was special....if
this clown can't get it together he will be cut very early on. What a
waste.
Glenn Greenstein
Gray, McKnight is taking Washington's spot, LT is.
yoyodog
"Glenn Greenstein" <lex...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hmmmm... assuming you meant "ISN'T taking Washington's spot" you must have
missed this paragraph...
JetsLife
Leon's out. He's not a war-time consiglieri.
Glenn Greenstein
> "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I really don't see that happening. The logical roles are Greene as the
ground and pound guy and LT as the speed and receiver out of the
backfield guy. From what I heard LT still has very good speed over the
first 10 or 15 yards.
Glenn Greenstein
> On Sun, 2 May 2010 20:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Glenn Greenstein> Glenn, LT is taking Greene's spot as Shonn moves up to be the #1 back
> replacing TJ. Tannenbaum himself has said that if the opportunity to
> draft Mcknight had not been there, they would not have traded away Leon.
> If that is not McKnight taking Leon's spot then I don't know what is.
> --
> graybeard
That spot was created out of necessity because Greene is a big back
who can't catch. Now that we have LT who is about as good a receiving
RB the league has, it really makes no sense to use him that way or for
the Jets to use two guys in virtually the same role.
Michael
Interesting... McKnight is getting ground up here, but last Ryan's
commentary on Gholston in spring drills last year were all rosey. I
woud not read too much into this on way or the other. McKnight just
had a bad day. Or may be Rex is getting up to speed on his drill
sargent tactics for Hard Knox :-)
Glenn Greenstein
I think McKnight just needs to grow up a bit more. He was probably out
partying after he got drafted instead of getting ready for camp and
had no idea what he was walking into. He also most likely knows there
is a roster spot on the team for him no matter how porrly he shows.
The team has already invested a lot in him and will give him every
chance to succeed while the other guys are more make or break.
Glenn Greenstein
> it was only rookie camp.
> From what I've read about him, he's got some head case in him.
> Frail ego... couldn't deal with the pressure of the Reggie Bush comparisons.
> Write messages on his face about money.
> If he's capable of growing up, he'll be a player. If not, we'll have to go to plan B.
Maybe someone needs to write a message on his face about hydrating
himself before practice.
Johnctx
I am with you but what kind of moron shows up unfit for camp?
I guarantee that Rex was sending a message to him. Sometimes there is
value in Rex talking to the media. This is a good example.
papa.carl44
And that would be very typical no imagination lack luster offense. So, you
are going to give an entirely different role to LT? Because that isn't
really what he's done his for his career...he is a running back, and was a
brilliant one. What we need to see is how much gas is left in his tank and
if he can show any endurance which he didn't in recent history. On top of
that, Greene has shown he does not have season long endurance. That is
precisely why some of us questioned these moves....I'm hoping LT will revive
and be a major threat, because I really don't think Greene is going to be
the guy. He will show bursts of great performance followed by time off. OMHO
Papa Carl
papa.carl44
Then why does it work so well for other teams...tandem backs?????
MZ
I hate to say this because I'm afraid it will draw the ire of Jets fans,
but Greene reminds me an awful lot of Laurence Maroney. Pats fans were
just as high on Maroney's explosiveness following his limited sample in
his rookie season.
Greene is a very very intriguing young prospect, but he's hardly a sure
thing.
papa.carl44
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
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Thank you...you see what I see. He has not shown me he is the real deal at
all, when he finishes an entire season of doing it....then we decide.
Johnctx
MZ, it is Monday you jackkass. What are you doing to us?
I like Maroney. I think, as I said early one, he has a chronic shoulder
injury.