Re: 2011 Strength of Schedule... Jets 3rd toughest...
Steve Russo
> It won't get any easier next season.
> What's interesting, is that the Pats have the 15th toughest schedule.
>
> Looking at this list, it seems the NFL has a bizarre formula for creating the schedule, as
> the Panthers & Bills have the toughest schedule. While the Ravens have the 2nd easiest, &
> Steelers the 4th easiest.
> Makes no sense that the Bills would have a tougher schedule than the Pats, since they're
> in the same division. The formula is wacky ;)
If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. The Bills play the Pats
twice so a 14-2 record gets figured into their Strength of Schedule...
twice. For the Pats, the reverse is true. By virtue of playing the
Bills twice (4-12), it weakens their SoS.
Because it also has no foresight into how good or bad these teams are
next year, I've always held Strength of Schedule to be a worthless
stat (unless you use it to look backwards, as in the strength of the
teams we played this year was...).
Ray O'Hara
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also the Pats can't play the Colts, Pitt and SD every freaking year as the
discretionary games.
occasionly the Raiders and the Chiefs have to be scheduled.
Keith Keller
>
> If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. The Bills play the Pats
> twice so a 14-2 record gets figured into their Strength of Schedule...
> twice. For the Pats, the reverse is true. By virtue of playing the
> Bills twice (4-12), it weakens their SoS.
The Bills played the Jets twice too.
> Because it also has no foresight into how good or bad these teams are
> next year, I've always held Strength of Schedule to be a worthless
> stat (unless you use it to look backwards, as in the strength of the
> teams we played this year was...).
That's certainly true. So the best we can say is that the Jets clearly
had a tougher schedule than the Patriots this season.
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Michael
> "Steve Russo" <srusso...@gmail.com> wrote in message
considering the history, pats fans should be queer to play the
steelers 16 times a year. at least you guys dont have to fly to
oakland every fucking year
eric
> It won't get any easier next season.
> What's interesting, is that the Pats have the 15th toughest schedule.
>
> Looking at this list, it seems the NFL has a bizarre formula for creating the schedule, as
> the Panthers & Bills have the toughest schedule. While the Ravens have the 2nd easiest, &
> Steelers the 4th easiest.
> Makes no sense that the Bills would have a tougher schedule than the Pats, since they're
> in the same division. The formula is wacky ;)
The Patriots don't have to play the Patriots while the Bills play them
twice. That makes the Bills' schedule a lot tougher.
Tough to be in the same division as the Patriots.
Steve Russo
> That, too... it's just bizarre that the Raiders never come here.
> One would think that home/away would factor into the formula.
> I'm tellin' ya, they have some monkeys, battleworn from drug experiments, sitting in some
> room throwing darts with team names, onto a dartboard ;)- Hide quoted text -
>
Peter King referenced a bizarre rule whenever a division is playing
the Western division in a given year.
"Beginning in 2010, a change was made to how teams are paired in the
schedule rotation to ensure that teams playing the AFC and NFC West
divisions would not be required to make two West Coast trips (e.g. at
San Francisco and at Seattle), while other teams in their division had
none (e.g. at St. Louis and at Arizona) ... Seems a quirky and
unimportant rules change that hurts fans to me, because now,
potentially and anecdotally, a great player like Ben Roethlisberger
could play his entire career and never play in Seattle. The Steelers
could go 12 years without playing in Seattle."
Steve Russo
>
> Again... not my point. The point is that the formula makes no sense. <------ period.
> Either schedules should be totally arbitrary, like a lottery... or if parity is the thing
> they want, the best teams should compete against the best, & worst against worst.
> Rewarding good teams with a weak schedule, makes no sense.
But they're not being rewarded. SoS has no bearing on the upcoming
schedule. Teams play against specific divisions and counterpart teams.
If you finished 1st in your division, you play the team that finished
1st; 2nd vs 2nd; etc. SoS has no bearing on how the schedule is
formulated.
Copp
buRford <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> It won't get any easier next season.
> What's interesting, is that the Pats have the 15th toughest schedule.
>
> Looking at this list, it seems the NFL has a bizarre formula for creating the schedule, as
> the Panthers & Bills have the toughest schedule. While the Ravens have the 2nd easiest, &
> Steelers the 4th easiest.
> Makes no sense that the Bills would have a tougher schedule than the Pats, since they're
> in the same division. The formula is wacky ;)
>
>
> STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
>
> 3t. New York Jets* 133-123-0 .520
> 15t. New England Patriots* 129-127-0 .504
Come on, don't be ridiculous. The "formula" such as it is
is simple: you play everyone in your division twice, you
play one other AFC division which is rotated each year,
you play one other NFC division which is rotated each
year, and you play two teams from your conference in
the other divisions where you are matched according
to your finish the previous year: if you finished first
you play the first place team. So every team in a division
has the same schedule except for those two games, and pairs
of teams in each division share the same home/away schedule.
That's why this year the Jets only had to play Houston and Denver,
while the Pats had to play SD and Indy.
RickyBobby
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It won't get any easier next season.
What's interesting, is that the Pats have the 15th toughest schedule.
Looking at this list, it seems the NFL has a bizarre formula for creating
the schedule, as
the Panthers & Bills have the toughest schedule. While the Ravens have the
2nd easiest, &
Steelers the 4th easiest.
Makes no sense that the Bills would have a tougher schedule than the Pats,
since they're
in the same division. The formula is wacky ;)
http://es.pn/h4rRw6
STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
A look at the most difficult schedules in 2011 (based on opponents' 2010
record).
Team Combined win-loss record Percentage
1. Carolina Panthers 142-114-0 .555
2. Buffalo Bills 137-119-0 .535
3t. New York Jets* 133-123-0 .520
3t. Indianapolis Colts* 133-123-0 .520
3t. Jacksonville Jaguars 133-123-0 .520
3t. Kansas City Chiefs* 133-123-0 .520
3t. San Diego Chargers 133-133-0 .520
3t. Denver Broncos 133-123-0 .520
3t. Detroit Lions 133-123-0 .520
10t. Miami Dolphins 132-124-0 .516
10t. Houston Texans 132-124-0 .516
10t. Minnesota Vikings 132-124-0 .516
13t. Green Bay Packers* 130-126-0 .508
13t. New Orleans Saints* 130-126-0 .508
15t. New England Patriots* 129-127-0 .504
15t. Philadelphia Eagles* 129-127-0 .504
15t. Dallas Cowboys 129-127-0 .504
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 127-129-0 .496
19t. Cleveland Browns 126-130-0 .492
19t. Oakland Raiders 126-130-0 .492
19t. New York Giants 126-130-0 .492
19t. Atlanta Falcons* 126-130-0 .492
23t. Tennessee Titans 125-131-0 .488
23t. Chicago Bears* 125-131-0 .488
23t. Seattle Seahawks* 125-131-0 .488
26. St. Louis Rams 122-134-0 .477
27t. Pittsburgh Steelers* 121-135-0 .473
27t. Cincinnati Bengals 121-135-0 .473
27t. Washington Redskins 121-135-0 .473
30. San Francisco 49ers 119-137-0 .465
31. Baltimore Ravens* 117-139-0 .457
32. Arizona Cardinals 113-143-0 .441
Source: ESPN Stats & Information | *Reached playoffs in 2010
Total nonsense table of numbers.
Some teams that were losers in 2010 will be winners in 2011 and some teams
that were winners in 2010 will be winner in 2011.
Another way to look at it is to ask how many teams had the same record in
2010 and 2011? Pretty much none of them.
Steve Russo
>
> Yeah, but if you have weak teams in your division, you ARE rewarded by playing them by
> default. Strength of conference, would make more sense to me, as opposed to strength in
> division.
I think there's a misconception that Strength of Schedule somehow
impacts what teams you play next year. it doesn't. The NFL schedule is
predetermined as follows:
1. Each team plays its divisional games: 6 games
2. Then a three year rotating interconference division: 4 games
(rotates every 3 years)
3. Then a four year rotating cross conference division: 4 games
(rotates every 4 years)
4. Then head to head with intraconference teams who place the same in
their divison: 2 games - if you finished 1st, you play the two 1st
place teams from the two conferences you didn't play in #2, above.
Example below:
Dallas Cowboys finished first in the NFC East in 2007
2008 Schedule looked like this:
6 games with NFC East teams
4 games with NFC West teams
4 games with AFC North teams
2 games with the other 2007 first place teams from the NFC North &
South
Harlan Lachman
<63c8f2d0-0109-46c0...@29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>,
Steve Russo <srus...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steve, thanks for the very clear summation of how scheduling works. As
you point out, the strength of schedule is likely determined by how well
teams did in their own conference and the strength of that conference
than the two variable games.
harlan
eric
> 1. Each team plays its divisional games: 6 games
> 2. Then a three year rotating interconference division: 4 games
> (rotates every 3 years)
> 3. Then a four year rotating cross conference division: 4 games
> (rotates every 4 years)
> 4. Then head to head with intraconference teams who place the same in
> their divison: 2 games - if you finished 1st, you play the two 1st
> place teams from the two conferences you didn't play in #2, above.
>
> Example below:
>
> Dallas Cowboys finished first in the NFC East in 2007
> 2008 Schedule looked like this:
> 6 games with NFC East teams
> 4 games with NFC West teams
> 4 games with AFC North teams
> 2 games with the other 2007 first place teams from the NFC North &
> South
That seems pretty balanced to me. Teams that are doing well play their
peers in their conference and teams that are the dregs play the dregs
in their conference. It also allows teams like the Pats, Colts and
Steelers who win their divisions most years to play each other head to
head to determine home field advantage in the playoffs and build up
rivalries.
Steve Russo
> In article
> <63c8f2d0-0109-46c0-9161-28e9e32f9...@29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>,
For quite a while I found this very confusing so I looked it up. The
example I used actually came from a Wiki page. What still confuses me
(look at my post further up) is how they determine the home/away teams
for the out-of-division games. I guess some more research is in
order ;-)
Harlan Lachman
<2a61bc82-216c-48c0...@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Steve Russo <srus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What still confuses me
> (look at my post further up) is how they determine the home/away teams
> for the out-of-division games. I guess some more research is in
> order ;-)
This would only confuse Jet fans who continually are cursed to have to
play Oakland across the country rather than giving the hated Raiders the
opportunity to freeze their buns off in the cold.
I'd like to see them fly out east in December.
h