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JetsLife
Sep 18, 2011, 2:34:38 PM9/18/11
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On Sep 18, 2:23 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run, for a 3-yd loss.
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
I feel your pain. It's mind-bending stuff:
Is it Rex-Schotty, Sanchez, Wayne Hunter's disaster penalties?
Always best in football to judge a book by it's cover: thus far the
2011 Jets offense has been pedestrian.
Remember this about Schotty: the apple doesn't fall far from Marty.
And Woody & Rex seem to be in love with the Schottenheimer name?
Sanchez has lost focus a little and that's a little bit on the
coaching, but at this point 3 years in almost entirely on him.
> It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run, for a 3-yd loss.
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
I feel your pain. It's mind-bending stuff:
Is it Rex-Schotty, Sanchez, Wayne Hunter's disaster penalties?
Always best in football to judge a book by it's cover: thus far the
2011 Jets offense has been pedestrian.
Remember this about Schotty: the apple doesn't fall far from Marty.
And Woody & Rex seem to be in love with the Schottenheimer name?
Sanchez has lost focus a little and that's a little bit on the
coaching, but at this point 3 years in almost entirely on him.
JetsLife
Sep 18, 2011, 2:38:02 PM9/18/11
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On Sep 18, 2:23 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run, for a 3-yd loss.
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
> It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run, for a 3-yd loss.
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
Also remember Burf - only thing beautiful in today's NFL is the final
score. I think I may do the Oakland game, visit wine country and SF
and all that. Greatest region in the world btw.
WaterBoy
Sep 18, 2011, 2:58:33 PM9/18/11
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"buRford" <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
> situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run,
> for a 3-yd loss.
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more
> mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just
> aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
Exactly! There is no rhythm, no continuity to this offense. I just keep
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
> situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run,
> for a 3-yd loss.
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more
> mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just
> aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
scratching my head saying what the hell was that... 2nd &21, and they don't
even try to get a first down, two stupid runs for little gain. I just don't
get what they see in this guy. Can Tom Moore put a headset on and start
calling some plays and just let Schott call them on a blow out in the 4th
quarter? This is really boring!
When do you see teams like the Sqeelers, Pats, Saints or any decent football
team not try for a first down on 2nd and 21? Thank god for a good defense or
both games would have been out of reach...
WaterBoy
Papa Carl
Sep 18, 2011, 4:55:06 PM9/18/11
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"buRford" <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
> situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run,
> for a 3-yd loss.
I've gone to more coaching clinics than I can possibly remember..and one
thing I do remember hearing from so many of them was.."Make them stop
you...do it untill they stop it !" Why can't they do that?????? Why when
something has great success does it get put away...I would imagine the OC or
whoever does call the plays is thinking they will "save" it for a tough
time...but that only gives the opponent time to analyze it and figure out
what happened...RUN THE DAMN THING WHILE IT IS WORKING.
________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more
> mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just
> aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
_________________________________________________________________________________________
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more
> mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just
> aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
And do something with this O line...if Mangold is out...they are
screwed...saw a lot of good things, but the O line sacres me a lot...and
Sanchez will not develop the right way if he is getting hit this much and
this hard.
Papa Carl
Sep 18, 2011, 4:58:50 PM9/18/11
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assumption and imagination..but to me, it is what it looks like and I see
that after coaching for many years in high school and scratching my head at
teams we would routinely beat...and teams that had good players but coaches
who had no clue what a SYSTEM was. I can remember watching film of a game
we had won and seeing things the opponent obviously never saw that would
have hurt us. When I watch other teams, even college teams...I see a
system...continuity...a plan...some reason why one play leads to the
next...I simply do not ever see that with the Jets.
>
Tutor
Sep 18, 2011, 6:45:53 PM9/18/11
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On Sep 18, 2:23 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run, for a 3-yd loss.
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run, for a 3-yd loss.
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
agreed. But the first drive was outstanding. Now, that said, let'd
enjoy this win and enjoy what looks to be a real nice season ahead.
Would hate this forum to become *exclusively* a bitching and moaning
horror show again. TOday was a convincing and dominating win. Far
short of perfection which will NEVER happen.
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WaterBoy
Sep 18, 2011, 7:47:40 PM9/18/11
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> It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
> situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run,
> for a 3-yd loss.
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more
> mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just
> aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
> It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
> situation.
>
> Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT run,
> for a 3-yd loss.
>
> Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much more
> mature out there,
> & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez just
> aint getting
> much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
Exactly! There is no rhythm, and no continuity to this offense. I just keep
scratching my head saying what the hell was that... 2nd &21, and they don't
even try to get a first down, two stupid runs for little gain. I just don't
get what they see in this guy. Can Tom Moore put a headset on and start
calling some plays and just let Schott call them on a blow out in the 4th
quarter? This is really a boring offense.
Papa Carl
Sep 18, 2011, 7:51:03 PM9/18/11
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There were some very nice moments. And...I think Sanchez looked really good
when he was getting it done...better than the past.
John C TX
Sep 19, 2011, 9:40:20 AM9/19/11
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On Sep 18, 6:51 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Papa, if he would just relax. He is more dangerous when he has a
little success. The first pick he had 2-3 guys that would have gotten
him the first down.
He & the OL buried themselves but if he would have taken a deep breath
twice we are up by 10-14 more at half time. The center struggled (3rd
string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:
1.Sanchez
2. Hunter
3. injury to Mangold
Look at the plays & maybe changing it here & there may have helped but
unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
> "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
little success. The first pick he had 2-3 guys that would have gotten
him the first down.
He & the OL buried themselves but if he would have taken a deep breath
twice we are up by 10-14 more at half time. The center struggled (3rd
string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:
1.Sanchez
2. Hunter
3. injury to Mangold
Look at the plays & maybe changing it here & there may have helped but
unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
Percy Flage
Sep 19, 2011, 10:54:35 AM9/19/11
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> twice we are up by 10-14 more at half time. The center struggled (3rd
> string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
> on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:
>
> 1.Sanchez
> 2. Hunter
> 3. injury to Mangold
>
> Look at the plays& maybe changing it here& there may have helped but
> string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
> on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:
>
> 1.Sanchez
> 2. Hunter
> 3. injury to Mangold
>
> unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
> issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
>
I'm not so worried about the INTs. The important thing is, during the
> issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
>
game, that Sanchez doesn't appear worried by them either. He mentions
them after the game, but he's got a mature mentality for a young QB.
--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."
John C TX
Sep 19, 2011, 12:13:40 PM9/19/11
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On Sep 19, 9:54 am, Percy Flage
I love how he plays at times but when he throws unforced picks when
people are open it worries me. Maybe better coaching would help but
how do you coach a guy to grow up? His ints rarely seem to come off
bad, meaning errant throws -- like McCown's first one yesterday --
but bad decisions.
That he can shake it off is great. I saw this & it made me think of
Sanchez. btw Hasselbeck said Dilfer wan't much help back then.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/sports/football/jets-quarterback-sanchez-has-a-red-zone-problem.html
The best red-zone quarterback Trent Dilfer said he ever played with
was Matt Hasselbeck, who on a weekly basis would conquer that chaotic,
compressed and critical area inside the opposition’s 20 by flashing
what Dilfer called the “brass of a burglar and the discretion of a
doctor.” Hasselbeck would handle every snap believing that no defense
could stop a perfect throw, Dilfer said, and if the coverage was
tight, he felt no shame dumping a pass to his running back or tight
end or tossing away the ball to avoid disaster.
people are open it worries me. Maybe better coaching would help but
how do you coach a guy to grow up? His ints rarely seem to come off
bad, meaning errant throws -- like McCown's first one yesterday --
but bad decisions.
That he can shake it off is great. I saw this & it made me think of
Sanchez. btw Hasselbeck said Dilfer wan't much help back then.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/sports/football/jets-quarterback-sanchez-has-a-red-zone-problem.html
The best red-zone quarterback Trent Dilfer said he ever played with
was Matt Hasselbeck, who on a weekly basis would conquer that chaotic,
compressed and critical area inside the opposition’s 20 by flashing
what Dilfer called the “brass of a burglar and the discretion of a
doctor.” Hasselbeck would handle every snap believing that no defense
could stop a perfect throw, Dilfer said, and if the coverage was
tight, he felt no shame dumping a pass to his running back or tight
end or tossing away the ball to avoid disaster.
Papa Carl
Sep 19, 2011, 5:44:37 PM9/19/11
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2. Hunter...could switch one and two
3. The OC
4. Sanchez who is taught and controlled by the OC
Look at the plays & maybe changing it here & there may have helped but
unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
times, many times and has flaws...but the only OC he has ever had is an
idiot. He does not have the comfort of developing behind an O line that
protects, or a program with continuity and he got thrown into the mix too
early...I don't see how much more can be expected of him...he is not Cam
Newton.
Papa Carl
Sep 19, 2011, 5:45:34 PM9/19/11
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was...and the reasons are more related to him trying too hard than just bad
accuracy or terrible passing.
John C TX
Sep 19, 2011, 5:59:45 PM9/19/11
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> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:dc43392b-e794-4709...@g30g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
We disagree I am shocked.
:)
If he doesn't throw those two picks we are up big & he is on the bench
resting for the 4 Q. Maybe it is Schott but he was not under pressure
for the int's. I can partially agree as Mangold could be a bigger
deal.
The one thing I did notice was this. If we started with 1st & 10 &
had no penalties every drive but one lead (int) to points. I know it
is tough to do but he has issues with 20+ yards for 1st downs.
Papa Carl
Sep 19, 2011, 8:15:44 PM9/19/11
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Look, I agree...but I don't think he is that good to start out with...and
the only "teacher" he has had at this level is someone I find to be very
flawed. I do not compare him to the "greats" not a Brady, Manning or any
past great...compare him to the other young QB's who are doing really
well...yes, they make big mistakes too..but their upside tends to be much
brighter and when I look at why that is I often come to the only conclusion
I can...the type of offense he is playing in causes problems for any
QB...including guys like Favre. But...do I think Sanchez was the best
choice they could have made...Hell no.
Look, I agree...but I don't think he is that good to start out with...and
the only "teacher" he has had at this level is someone I find to be very
flawed. I do not compare him to the "greats" not a Brady, Manning or any
past great...compare him to the other young QB's who are doing really
well...yes, they make big mistakes too..but their upside tends to be much
brighter and when I look at why that is I often come to the only conclusion
I can...the type of offense he is playing in causes problems for any
QB...including guys like Favre. But...do I think Sanchez was the best
choice they could have made...Hell no.
John C TX
Sep 20, 2011, 9:00:32 AM9/20/11
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On Sep 19, 7:15 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4159f95e-fd30-4c5a...@s3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
One game isn't a trend but if they an keep the penalty count low on
offense that would appear to help the QB & or the OC if your hunch is
correct.
The Mangold stuff is a worry. I watched Ryan's press conference from
11:30 -12:00 & wasn't sure if that was post game (probably not as it
was 30 minutes long) & he was talking about the young center.
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4159f95e-fd30-4c5a...@s3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
offense that would appear to help the QB & or the OC if your hunch is
correct.
The Mangold stuff is a worry. I watched Ryan's press conference from
11:30 -12:00 & wasn't sure if that was post game (probably not as it
was 30 minutes long) & he was talking about the young center.
Papa Carl
Sep 20, 2011, 3:52:40 PM9/20/11
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_______________________________________________________________
My son was a running back who could block and carry the ball...so he took a
lot of hits. He played through all kinds of stuff and even carried the ball
over 25 times in a championship game with a broken hand...but the nagging
thing that kept bothering him one year was a high ankle sprain. He's seem
great, able to begin to run etc. And then when he had to do "football" type
work on it...bad news again. Mangold could be a big issue.
I watched Sam Bradford last night, and Cam Newton from Sunday, and Matt
Stafford...they are young QB's who have major potential...AND...LOOK at the
offenses they play in. Right now, Bradford has none of the talent to throw
to the Jets have and he looks good. Still...I'm not giving up on
Sanchez...if you watch football I don't see how anyone can not see the
differences in the offenses of these successful young QB's and the hodge
podge mess the Jets run. Continuity and scheme benefit a young
QB...AND...they need to put a really good O line in front of them...I think
that is a bigger problem because of the lock out...O lines need time to work
together. Lots of variables.
My son was a running back who could block and carry the ball...so he took a
lot of hits. He played through all kinds of stuff and even carried the ball
over 25 times in a championship game with a broken hand...but the nagging
thing that kept bothering him one year was a high ankle sprain. He's seem
great, able to begin to run etc. And then when he had to do "football" type
work on it...bad news again. Mangold could be a big issue.
I watched Sam Bradford last night, and Cam Newton from Sunday, and Matt
Stafford...they are young QB's who have major potential...AND...LOOK at the
offenses they play in. Right now, Bradford has none of the talent to throw
to the Jets have and he looks good. Still...I'm not giving up on
Sanchez...if you watch football I don't see how anyone can not see the
differences in the offenses of these successful young QB's and the hodge
podge mess the Jets run. Continuity and scheme benefit a young
QB...AND...they need to put a really good O line in front of them...I think
that is a bigger problem because of the lock out...O lines need time to work
together. Lots of variables.
Johnny Morongo
Sep 20, 2011, 4:41:35 PM9/20/11
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>>> twice we are up by 10-14 more at half time. The center struggled (3rd
>>> string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
>>> on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:
>>
>>> 1. Injury to Mangold
>>> 2. Hunter...could switch one and two
>>> 3. The OC
>>> 4. Sanchez who is taught and controlled by the OC
>>
>>> Look at the plays& maybe changing it here& there may have helped but
>>> string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
>>> on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:
>>
>>> 1. Injury to Mangold
>>> 2. Hunter...could switch one and two
>>> 3. The OC
>>> 4. Sanchez who is taught and controlled by the OC
>>
>>> unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
>>> issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
>>
>>> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
>>
>>> Fixed it....see above. Yes...as I have said many times...Sanchez is weak
>>> at
>>> times, many times and has flaws...but the only OC he has ever had is an
>>> idiot. He does not have the comfort of developing behind an O line that
>>> protects, or a program with continuity and he got thrown into the mix
>>> too
>>> early...I don't see how much more can be expected of him...he is not Cam
>>> Newton.
>>
>> We disagree I am shocked.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> If he doesn't throw those two picks we are up big& he is on the bench
>>> issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
>>
>>> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
>>
>>> Fixed it....see above. Yes...as I have said many times...Sanchez is weak
>>> at
>>> times, many times and has flaws...but the only OC he has ever had is an
>>> idiot. He does not have the comfort of developing behind an O line that
>>> protects, or a program with continuity and he got thrown into the mix
>>> too
>>> early...I don't see how much more can be expected of him...he is not Cam
>>> Newton.
>>
>> We disagree I am shocked.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> resting for the 4 Q. Maybe it is Schott but he was not under pressure
>> for the int's. I can partially agree as Mangold could be a bigger
>> deal.
>>
>> The one thing I did notice was this. If we started with 1st& 10&
>> had no penalties every drive but one lead (int) to points. I know it
>> is tough to do but he has issues with 20+ yards for 1st downs.
>> ________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Look, I agree...but I don't think he is that good to start out with...and
>> the only "teacher" he has had at this level is someone I find to be very
>> flawed. I do not compare him to the "greats" not a Brady, Manning or any
>> past great...compare him to the other young QB's who are doing really
>> well...yes, they make big mistakes too..but their upside tends to be much
>> brighter and when I look at why that is I often come to the only
>> conclusion
>> I can...the type of offense he is playing in causes problems for any
>> QB...including guys like Favre. But...do I think Sanchez was the best
>> choice they could have made...Hell no.
>
> One game isn't a trend but if they an keep the penalty count low on
> offense that would appear to help the QB& or the OC if your hunch is
>> for the int's. I can partially agree as Mangold could be a bigger
>> deal.
>>
>> The one thing I did notice was this. If we started with 1st& 10&
>> had no penalties every drive but one lead (int) to points. I know it
>> is tough to do but he has issues with 20+ yards for 1st downs.
>> ________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Look, I agree...but I don't think he is that good to start out with...and
>> the only "teacher" he has had at this level is someone I find to be very
>> flawed. I do not compare him to the "greats" not a Brady, Manning or any
>> past great...compare him to the other young QB's who are doing really
>> well...yes, they make big mistakes too..but their upside tends to be much
>> brighter and when I look at why that is I often come to the only
>> conclusion
>> I can...the type of offense he is playing in causes problems for any
>> QB...including guys like Favre. But...do I think Sanchez was the best
>> choice they could have made...Hell no.
>
> One game isn't a trend but if they an keep the penalty count low on
> correct.
>
> The Mangold stuff is a worry. I watched Ryan's press conference from
> 11:30 -12:00& wasn't sure if that was post game (probably not as it
>
> The Mangold stuff is a worry. I watched Ryan's press conference from
> was 30 minutes long)& he was talking about the young center.
> _______________________________________________________________
>
> My son was a running back who could block and carry the ball...so he took a
> lot of hits. He played through all kinds of stuff and even carried the ball
> over 25 times in a championship game with a broken hand...but the nagging
> thing that kept bothering him one year was a high ankle sprain. He's seem
> great, able to begin to run etc. And then when he had to do "football" type
> work on it...bad news again. Mangold could be a big issue.
>
> I watched Sam Bradford last night, and Cam Newton from Sunday, and Matt
> Stafford...they are young QB's who have major potential...AND...LOOK at the
> offenses they play in. Right now, Bradford has none of the talent to throw
> to the Jets have and he looks good. Still...I'm not giving up on
> Sanchez...if you watch football I don't see how anyone can not see the
> differences in the offenses of these successful young QB's and the hodge
> podge mess the Jets run. Continuity and scheme benefit a young
> QB...AND...they need to put a really good O line in front of them...I think
> that is a bigger problem because of the lock out...O lines need time to work
> together. Lots of variables.
>
>
Obviously, Carl, you're not from Brooklyn or you would be used to the
>
> My son was a running back who could block and carry the ball...so he took a
> lot of hits. He played through all kinds of stuff and even carried the ball
> over 25 times in a championship game with a broken hand...but the nagging
> thing that kept bothering him one year was a high ankle sprain. He's seem
> great, able to begin to run etc. And then when he had to do "football" type
> work on it...bad news again. Mangold could be a big issue.
>
> I watched Sam Bradford last night, and Cam Newton from Sunday, and Matt
> Stafford...they are young QB's who have major potential...AND...LOOK at the
> offenses they play in. Right now, Bradford has none of the talent to throw
> to the Jets have and he looks good. Still...I'm not giving up on
> Sanchez...if you watch football I don't see how anyone can not see the
> differences in the offenses of these successful young QB's and the hodge
> podge mess the Jets run. Continuity and scheme benefit a young
> QB...AND...they need to put a really good O line in front of them...I think
> that is a bigger problem because of the lock out...O lines need time to work
> together. Lots of variables.
>
>
plaint: "Wait till next year!" One was or another, Lil Schitt will be
gone, gone, gone.
Papa Carl
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other things that will pop up, it will be yet another excuse why the O did
not produce well and he will get another pass...that scenario is what kept
his daddy in the game for a long time...it was always something...BTW...I
grew up a Dodgers fan...and quit on them when they moved.
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