OK, there actually is someone dumber than Braylon Edwards
Glenn Greenstein
papa.carl44
"Glenn Greenstein" <lex...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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So you think addiction is just a learning disability or being dumb?
Unlike Edwards, she admitted she failed the test, appeared in court and
stated she was willing to accept responsibility for her actions. I haven't
seen Braylon doing anything remotely similar. It is a shame that someone
like her is in the situation she is in, and it is mostly her fault, but in
this instance she took a huge step in the right direction. And that isn't
dumb.
Glenn Greenstein
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> "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Oh give me a break. Did the Coke and Amphetamines magically appear in
her hands or did she have to seek out some of her druggie friends to
get them. After spending time in jail and rehab,this person has
learned nothing and she didn't leave rehab early this time, she was
released.
Yes, addiction is a terrible thing and it is tough to beat but I'm
sorry, I have absolutely no sympathy for her at all in this instance.
I have a good friend who was addicted to opiates so badly he
practically went through his family's life savings to buy them. He was
spending nearly 500 a week on them. He went to rehab and in now on an
out patient program and has not had a relapse. With all of Lohan's
resources she shouldn't be back on drugs in a matter of a few weeks.
euphy
So, how is SAR doing these days?
Ü
papa.carl44
So "Just Say No" works? If your good friend went to a rehab for opiates and
has stayed clean that is wonderful, but it is not the norm. You also
mentioned they are still in outpatient treatment and that is also very good.
The facts are that the more high profile the individual is the more
susceptible they are to relapse. If it is a disease it can clearly be
observed as such, and relapse is a huge part of it. What I am saying is she
admitted she did it....showed up in court, did not fight it and went to jail
without resisting. For her, that is a huge step. One of the huge problems
dealing with addiction is the fact people are as opinionated as you are
about it and don't really understand the concept of addiction. It does not
have anything to do with intelligence, would you call Ernest Hemingway
"dumb"? He was addicted, took his life over it too. I'm glad your friend
is doing so well. Why don't you ask him what he thinks about her current
actions?
Glenn Greenstein
Papa, you're being naive here. I don't care how much personal
experience you have with this, this isn't her first time at the rodeo,
she knows what to do and what to say unlike Edwards, and let's not
forget the fact she has a team of advisers telling her what to say so
the bleeding heart public like yourself says, Oh the poor girl, she
can't help herself. At some point you have to say to yourself it has
to stop and stay away from the enablers, she clearly is not doing that
and that is what makes her dumb as a post.
Glenn Greenstein
Check out Jets Insider if you're interested.
Ritchie
> Papa, you're being naive here. I don't care how much personal
> experience you have with this, this isn't her first time at the rodeo,
> she knows what to do and what to say unlike Edwards, and let's not
> forget the fact she has a team of advisers telling her what to say so
> the bleeding heart public like yourself says, Oh the poor girl, she
> can't help herself. At some point you have to say to yourself it has
> to stop and stay away from the enablers, she clearly is not doing that
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I agree with you Glenn about this woman. IMO I hate it that alcoholism
and drug addiction are classified as diseases. Because they are
classified as diseases the idiots that chose (that's what it is a
choice) can use our tax dollars to go to a place and get clean. I hate
the fact that my tax dollars are used to help these idiots that got
themselves in their situation. They chose to use drugs and to drink
and now we as taxpayers have to foot the bill for these morons. Years
ago my brother being the loser that he was used drugs and got
addicted. The only help he wanted was for my parents to give him money
to buy his drugs. He didn't want help to get off of them, he just
wanted the money to continue using them. Years ago he died of an
overdose, I can honestly say that our family and his family are better
off without him. His wife found a good man that has raised their 2
children as his own and has provided for them, and we don't have that
constant headache of my brother just being an annoyance. I am sure he
didn't want his life to be the way it was but he asked for it. I have
never had any sympathy for alcoholics and drug addicts and never will.
I guess this stems from me not ever trying drugs at all, I never even
smoked anything at all. Every time a rehab center tries to open up in
my town I am right there to protest and vote against it. Let them find
their own cure and foot their own bills.
papa.carl44
Glenn, I am not a bleeding heart...want me to prove it? I have no problem
lighting you up, I don't even think you looked at the video, and if you did
you sure as hell didn't get it. She is a complete train wreck...a disaster
of a life and has tons of enablers who will do whatever it takes to keep
their piece of the gravy train rolling. My point was this is the very first
time she ever admitted anything in this regard. Nothing more nothing less.
I have not seen Braylon ever admit to any wrong doing.
Michael
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more often than not, train wrecks with resources like sports or
entertainment stars take longer to hit the bottom than the rest. a
typical man/woman with limited resources gets to face the end of their
life a lot sooner as a result of addictions and misadventure in
comparison to a "star". for your average joe/jane, they do drugs/
booze screw up their jobs, destroy the few real relationships they
have and then they are looking at being out in the cold. they have to
make a change. lohan or some other star with a few dollars. they dont
come up against the end game so soon because they dont need their
health back to exist. as far as choice vs illness... booze and drugs
are both. for some people, they make a choice to get high or booze it
up and make a mess of things. they are not full of self deceit. they
are just selfish and dont care. for others, they have it thrust on
them. if you look at the life story of lohan or a guy like art
schlicter, no way in hell could they ever act in a normal manner
without help.
Ritchie
> business, by publicity-seeking parents? And pushed, and pushed, and pushed by those
> parents. And surrounded by agents, managers, representatives, etc, all wanting a piece of
> the action? Then, as that child grows up & becomes an attractive teenager, hundreds of
> photographers, follow her around wherever she goes. She goes to eat, shopping, out to her
> mailbox, just to pick up her mail... all the things you do, with no such scene.
> You blame that child, for the craziness in her life?
> Sure, she's in her 20s now, but the seeds were planted when she was a child. And seeking
> an escape from the madness of her life, which started in her teens, is no surprise.
> Unfortunately, that escape into drugs has its consequences.
> If she had gotten into the business, last year, as an adult, then I could understand your
> rartionale.
> This is on her parents.
> Now, she's being given a choice for the first time. We'll see if she chooses wisely ;)- Hide quoted text -
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I say you're an adult now so grow the fuck up and think for yourself.
Stop blaming your parents now that you are in the drivers seat. I
really lack compassion for my fellow man when its looked for, done and
deserved by themselves. As my partner used to say, sympathy and
compassion are not one of my better traits.
Michael
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im not a bleeding heart type eirher, but a lot of times, people doing
drugs or booze have mental problems that they dont understand and cant
deal with. they need treatment and may be psych meds, but given the
nature of the problem, the cant reason it all out. they use booze or
take drugs against depression or ptsd or what ever problmes they might
have. there is more than just one reason why a person winds up going
in the wrong direction. not always so simple as saying the person is
just destructive and selfish
papa.carl44
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> entertainment
> business, by publicity-seeking parents? And pushed, and pushed, and pushed
> by those
> parents. And surrounded by agents, managers, representatives, etc, all
> wanting a piece of
> the action? Then, as that child grows up & becomes an attractive
> teenager, hundreds of
> photographers, follow her around wherever she goes. She goes to eat,
> shopping, out to her
> mailbox, just to pick up her mail... all the things you do, with no such
> scene.
> You blame that child, for the craziness in her life?
> Sure, she's in her 20s now, but the seeds were planted when she was a
> child. And seeking
> an escape from the madness of her life, which started in her teens, is no
> surprise.
> Unfortunately, that escape into drugs has its consequences.
> If she had gotten into the business, last year, as an adult, then I could
> understand your
> rartionale.
> This is on her parents.
> Now, she's being given a choice for the first time. We'll see if she
> chooses wisely ;)
Michael, The guy you are answering knows it all. He can handle drugs or
alcohol, he knows more than the AMA, and even The WHO. I had a tee shirt
once, and it flat out just wore out. I loved it's saying. It was a simple
black shirt with small white lettering on the pocket. "Never try and teach
a pig how to sing, it annoys the pig and it's a waste of your time." It
isn't worth the effort arguing with some people. My only point was that she
surrendered herself for the first time, admitted what she did...Braylon's
current excuse is he was on antibiotics and that caused a false positive on
the breathalyzer....and some of the media buffoons seem to be buying that
too. They can belive whatever they want. I simply don't care.
Glenn Greenstein
Papa, she admitted it because her lawyer told her for the first time
you have now fucked up big league and you better beg for mercy or they
may just throw the book at you and send you away for years.
Glenn Greenstein
> Edwards has the support of the union, his reps, the league, the team, & the players.
> The entertainment industry doesn't have any support structure.
> Lohan is a free-agent, & only has her representatives, and her parents, who seem to be
> useless. She was under 5, probably, when she started in the Business. She also has one
> thing Edwards doesn't have... papparazi following her around everywhere she goes, since
> she was a teenager. That could drive any kid out of their mind, if they don't have the
> family structure to protect her from that. And it seems her parents invite the publicity
> into their lives, let alone Lohan's.
>
> That's why I feel for her, unlike Edwards, even though his family too, seems to be
> useless.
> Having worked in the entertainment industry, I've worked on set, etc, and see how good
> families, structure & protect their kids. I've also seen the other side. I've also seen
> how the papparazzi work... she has no privacy. If she even sunbathes at her house,
> there's some guy up in a tree, trying to get a shot of her in a bikini, let alone
> something more *risque.*
> Some of these kids seem to make it ok, while others have these problems. I put that on
> the families. To me, she's not the dumb one, it's her publicity-seeking parents. Her mom
> thinks she herself, is a freakin' starlet.
I still don't see that as being a reason where you are so thick you
just don't get it that the law went light on you this last time but
the next dance is for real and you are going to be treated like any
other criminal.
She is a train wreck yes and a really stupid one at that.
papa.carl44
> Let's take something we've all experienced, either firsthand, or through
> someone we know.
> Smoking.
> Every smoker knows what it does to them.
> Yet, how difficult is it for most people to quit? How many times does it
> take most
> people to quit? Does that mean they're stupid? Maybe for starting in the
> first place.
> Drugs and alcohol are much worse, because people usually start because of
> either a
> predisposition (genetic), or because something is already wrong with the
> way they think,
> whether because of feeling overwhelmed, depression, or some similar mental
> imbalance.
> A kid who is under any of these stresses, if they don't have someone to
> lean on, is toast.
Let's not even consider science in this...the genetic factors that have been
very clearly identified. Those researchers and doctors don't know what they
are talking about. Here's a list of "dumb" peole.
Johnny Cash, Jason Pollock, Joe Walsh, Sir Anthony Hopkins, Ann Richards,
Betty Ford, Craig Ferguson, Eric Clapton, Kris Kristofferson (also West
Point Rhodes Scholar), Hunter S. Thompson, Raymond Chandler, John Cheever,
O. Henry, Jack London, Tennessee Williams, Dylan Thomas, Dorothy Parker,
Edgar Allen Poe, Truman Capote, Jack Kerouac, William Faulkner, Charles
Bukowski, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ernest Hemingway, James Joyce, Stephen King,
John Daly, Sen. McCarthy, Elvis Presley, Lenny Bruce, ...now we can't go
into all the doctors (especially anastheiologists) who are addicted because
they have their own safety nets available and if they turn themselves in
they get special treatment, can keep their jobs etc. Also, airline pilots
are a high risk profession. Dentists are among the highest and get the same
special treatment as doctors. Most of the corporate types get a trip to
Hazeldon or one of the spa type facilities, and help keeping it all quiet.
It seems people who entertain, are athletes or put themselves in the public
spotlight have the biggest issues because that once adoring public turns on
them in a hearbeat. IMHO, those who scream about being stupid have no clue
themselves and are only shouting about their own stupidity. With all of
that, I think the best thing to happen to Lohan is for her to get nailed,
and Braylong should to. He was with a guy who later killed someone while
drinking...and that taught Edwards nothing, his need to drink to excess won
out...he has a problem. Look at the facts, a huge number of DWI's occur in
the NFL, and most of them go unmentioned.....just as most in other areas of
life do. That list can also include Bob Hayes, and Hollywood
Henderson...both sober now. Then there are the guys like Justin
Strelczyk...a U of Maine grad....that is one very sad story...not about a
stupid guy either.
Glenn Greenstein
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> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
How many of those people you listed went to prison due the drug
addiction, had to wear monitoring equipment (that's how Lohan got
caught this time) and went to Rehab by court order?