Jets should acquire Cam Newton
RickyBobby
Michael
> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
what i think the jets should do is get a qualified OC and draft the
best pass rusher available next year... that will go a long way...
RickyBobby
"Michael" wrote in message
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The top two passers play for San Diego and Indianapolis. The top two
sackers play for Green Bay and Miami. A good quarterback is much more
important to winning than a fearsome pass rusher.
I do not make up the facts, I just report on them.
MuahMan
Why ruin Cam Newtons career? The New York Jets are where QB's go to
die. (See: Brett Farve, Chad Pennington)
Keith Keller
> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
Here's Sanchez' year so far (from wikipedia):
12 games, 201 for 364, 55.2% completion rate, 2472 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT,
80.0 rating
Whose second-year line is this?
15 games, 176 for 273, 64.5% completion rate, 1795 yards, 15 TD, 9 INT,
87.8 rating (was the starter for about half the season)
Answer below!
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...Joe Montana, 1980 (also from wikipedia)
Will Sanchez be the next Montana? Almost certainly not. But it's only
been two years, in a less than ideal offense. Certainly a new rookie QB
is not going to solve the Jets' problems.
--keith
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RickyBobby
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The Jets have endured about a forty year losing streak at the quarterback
position. But all losing streaks end just the same as all winning streaks
end.
Look at the facts. There are still three games left in the regular season
and most of the teams do not have their original starting quarterback
available due to injury. Some teams are down to the third stringer and some
are looking for retired guys to sign. So how is this going to work if the
NFL goes to an eighteen game season soon?
A team needs a quarterback who runs like Vick and throws like Brady.
Usually the Jets get it the wrong way around.
It looks like Cam Newton can run like Vick and throw like Brady and he is
the guy to have.
Deadmeat
I wouldn't take any advice from someone who once said that a left tackle
isn't that important.
RickyBobby
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He protects the quarterback from what he doesn't see. He protects his blind
side. Every housewife knows that the first check she writes in for the
mortgage and the second check she writes is for the left tackle.
Deadmeat
Right. You were the one that once said that a left tackle wasn't
important. You really need to remember the shit that you spew.
papa.carl44
"Keith Keller" <kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
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> On 2010-12-17, RickyBobby <nasc...@cox.net> wrote:
>> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>
> Here's Sanchez' year so far (from wikipedia):
>
> 12 games, 201 for 364, 55.2% completion rate, 2472 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT,
> 80.0 rating
>
> Whose second-year line is this?
>
> 15 games, 176 for 273, 64.5% completion rate, 1795 yards, 15 TD, 9 INT,
> 87.8 rating (was the starter for about half the season)
>
> Answer below!
>
> ............
>
> ............
>
> ............
>
> ...Joe Montana, 1980 (also from wikipedia)
>
>
> Will Sanchez be the next Montana? Almost certainly not. But it's only
> been two years, in a less than ideal offense. Certainly a new rookie QB
> is not going to solve the Jets' problems.
>
> --keith
Keith...GREAT observation...and well put.
Michael
when did i ever say that ??? show me the post and i will come to miami
and kiss your ass after i was and wax your car and shine your shoes.
I am on record here.. MANY times... saying that the offensive line is
the most important unit on a pro team. the LT is the most important
part of the o-line. i think you have me confused with another poster
Deadmeat
No, no, no, I was telling you not to take advice from Rickydicky. He's
the one that spewed the left tackle crap. Of course, now he's
conveniently forgot it.
Can I still get the shoe shine?
Michael
>
> - Show quoted text -
ahhh.... in the immortal words of Emily Litelle "never mind" :-)
Grinch
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> On 2010-12-17, RickyBobby <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
>
> Here's Sanchez' year so far (from wikipedia):
>
> 12 games, 201 for 364, 55.2% completion rate, 2472 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT,
> 80.0 rating
That wasn't right even after 12 games.
He's 235 of 441, 53.3%, 2852 yds, 16 TDs, 12 picks, rating 74.2.
He didn't have a good game #13 (380 yards) but he didn't have 4 picks
either.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2010.htm
As to the rest...
> Whose second-year line is this?
>
> 15 games, 176 for 273, 64.5% completion rate, 1795 yards, 15 TD, 9 INT,
> 87.8 rating (was the starter for about half the season)
>
> Answer below!
>
> ............
>
> ............
>
> ............
>
> ...Joe Montana, 1980 (also from wikipedia)
Montana started only 7 games that year. The rest were mop-up, break-in
appearances where his passing line was as low as 0 for 0.
His stats from those 7 pro-rated for 16 games were 352 of 542, 64.9%,
3,424 yards, rating 87.
And the passing rules were tougher then, the league-average completion
rate was only 56% compared to today's 61%, and the average passer
rating was 71 compared to today's 82.
Adjust for *that*, and Montana's completion % in today's terms was
69.9% and his rating was 98.
Compared to Sanchez's 53%, and 74.2 rating, well ... :-(
But as far above average as Montana was even then, Walsh had DeBerg
start the season, then gave Joe three starts, then sat him for a
bunch, then gave him the last four starts of the year.
That was after Montana sat on the bench behind DeBerg and carried a
clipboard his entire rookie season. (And Joe came out of Notre Dame
older than Sanchez and with a lot more college starts under his belt.)
Bill Walsh was reputed to know how to develop QBs.
> Will Sanchez be the next Montana? Almost certainly not.
Agreed. :-)
> But it's only been two years, in a less than ideal offense.
> Certainly a new rookie QB is not going to solve the Jets' problems.
No one certainly won't.
But an equivalent of Steve DeBerg -- veteran, smart, accurate, knows
how to read defenses and complete the passes he is supposed to
complete, a game manager, mentor-type, not going to "carry the team"
but not going to make mistakes, able to work off a strong running game
and win with a strong D, and available because he's aging and not a
great rocket-arm"athlete" -- could have added to the Ws and helped
bring Sanchez along the way Montana was brought along.
Would it have helped Sanchez become better? We'll never know.
But they would have had *more options* both to win games and groom/
protect Sanchez.
Getting benched as a sophomore doesn't seem to have damaged Montana
too much.
> --keith
>
> --
> kkeller-use...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
Rotalius Jephersun
Hmmm. What I see is that Montana had a much higher completion percentage,
which means the offense would be on the field longer, making his defense
more effective. And Montana's TD per pass attempt ratio is 25% higher.
You do know that 60% is the bare minimum acceptable completion % for QB's,
don't you?
That said, a bunch of receivers with jittery hands are not the best
complement to a young qb.
papa.carl44
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2010.htm
As to the rest...
Agreed. :-)
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All true Grinch....bad job managing Sanchez's development, and someone like
Walsh knew how to do it......the reality is the only person involved with
the offense since the acquisition of Sanchez is the OC, the only consistent
figure there. I'm always wondering what the QB coach does...Sanchez ONLY
speaks of what he learns from the OC....as for another one of you
points....they dismantled a working running attack, no matter how you cut
it, no matter how spectacular some think LT is...the combination of LT and
Shonn Greene are not equal to what they had a year ago....and no way should
they have kept McKnight around and let Woodhead go. At the least Woodhead
would have filled the role Greene had a year ago as a fill in and
alternative back who could catch. They are simply not a ground and pound
team at all. I would hope that the OC's decision to have Sanchez attempt to
carry the offense, and the acquisition of Holmes is an indicator that he
knows that, they may say something different, but their actions indicate
they are aware they don't have the running attack.
RickyBobby
"Keith Keller" wrote in message
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On 2010-12-17, RickyBobby <nasc...@cox.net> wrote:
> I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better.
Will Sanchez be the next Montana? Almost certainly not. But it's only
been two years, in a less than ideal offense. Certainly a new rookie QB
is not going to solve the Jets' problems.
--keith
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The main reason that the Jets offense is less than ideal is that they have a
less than average quarterback. It is a quarterback driven league.
RickyBobby
"Deadmeat" wrote in message
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I never saw a left tackle get an MVP trophy or anything like that. The
linemen mainly cancel each other out so the the skill players can make
plays.
Deadmeat
Do you even watch football?
Ritchie
Keith Keller
[snip]
> But an equivalent of Steve DeBerg -- veteran, smart, accurate, knows
> how to read defenses and complete the passes he is supposed to
> complete, a game manager, mentor-type, not going to "carry the team"
> but not going to make mistakes, able to work off a strong running game
> and win with a strong D, and available because he's aging and not a
> great rocket-arm"athlete" -- could have added to the Ws and helped
> bring Sanchez along the way Montana was brought along.
Absolutely! I'm still quite surprised that the Jets seemed to think
Sanchez could come in and learn in a trial-by-fire environment.
> Would it have helped Sanchez become better? We'll never know.
>
> But they would have had *more options* both to win games and groom/
> protect Sanchez.
The thing is, I think they can still try this route. If they go out and
pick up that kind of QB, the kind who'll retire in 1-2 years anyway,
then Sanchez knows he has that long to learn the offense, knows that his
career with the Jets isn't in jeopardy, then maybe he can become a
really good QB.
So, given that, does such a QB exist in the NFL right now? Their best
bet might be the guy they already have: Brunell. I can't think of
another QB who's close to retirement who might serve as a good stable
example for Sanchez.
Even if they do not, though, ''Ricky's'' alternative is much worse. Can
you imagine a QB tandem of Sanchez and Newton in this offense? *shudder*
--keith
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RickyBobby
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[snip]
--keith
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I do not see Mark Sanchez getting any better. He is like a younger Eli
Manning over there on the Giants. Not a total loser but far from a star.
RickyBobby
"Deadmeat" wrote in message
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Of course I watch football and that is now I know what I am talking about.
Cam Newton is the surest bet to be a Pro Bowl and Super Bowl quarterback
since John Elway.
Out of all 32 teams the one that needs Cam Newton the worst is the Jets.
papa.carl44
"Keith Keller" <kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
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What is interesting if you think about it is the real mess here was created
when someone (Woody) decided they needed Favre. If that had not occurred,
they would have had Pennington, and I still think he was good, but too
fragile to ever get it all done, and they could have gotten Sanchez with
Pennington to help bring Mark along. That Favre episode tells you a lot
about how the upper management thinks, and why they let Rex ( and I do think
he can be a very good coach ) act with all the "un-head coach like" talk and
behaviors...they like the bravado and the flash. Woody likes it I believe.
Rex can run a very good defense, he needs to get some offense lessons...from
a good teacher of the game. Then he needs to tone it down a bit and instead
of all the flash and talk he needs to go back to some serious quiet
confidence meat and potatoes kind of football....I had a great coach in
college, a real teacher of the game and he always advocated for a "quiet
confidence" first...no need to shout about it, because you were about to go
do it and prove it. OMHO....Papa Carl
Tutor
on board with that. :)
papa.carl44
"Tutor" <dcat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I like Cam Newton. Send Sanchez to Cleveland and draft him. I'd be
> on board with that. :)
That would work...but then they MUST at least get a decent QB coach...a
known, proven talent at that level of coaching...it would be a crime to ruin
a talent like that.
Grinch
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> "Keith Keller" <kkeller-use...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
Now that makes sense.
They would have had the perfect smart veteran mentor/kid learning
combo.
We completely agree again. (Who'd a thunk it? :-) )
>That Favre episode tells you a lot
> about how the upper management thinks, and why they let Rex ( and I do think
> he can be a very good coach ) act with all the "un-head coach like" talk and
> behaviors...they like the bravado and the flash. Woody likes it I believe.
I'm sure he loves it. If I was him I would too, it's great for
business -- as long as it doesn't interfere with winning. He'd better
remember that's the first thing that matters for selling jerseys and
PSLs.
> Rex can run a very good defense, he needs to get some offense lessons...from
> a good teacher of the game. Then he needs to tone it down a bit and instead
> of all the flash and talk he needs to go back to some serious quiet
> confidence meat and potatoes kind of football....I had a great coach in
> college, a real teacher of the game and he always advocated for a "quiet
> confidence" first...no need to shout about it, because you were about to go
> do it and prove it. OMHO....Papa Carl- Hide quoted text -