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Johnny Morongo

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Nov 14, 2010, 1:32:42 PM11/14/10
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On 11/14/2010 10:29 AM, buRford wrote:
> Loved the play selection against our D.
> THAT is the way I'd like to see Schott call plays... mixing plays up, using a Ds
> tendencies against them, just throwing them off balance,& each play setting up the next.
> And with the talent we have, we could be unstoppable.


You meant that we could be unstoppable if we had an OC? You don't know
what you're talking about. ;)

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Johnny Morongo

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Nov 14, 2010, 1:43:49 PM11/14/10
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On 11/14/2010 10:35 AM, buRford wrote:
> And after the fumble, 3& out... almost every time we get a turnover, or big kick return,
> Schott has no response. Unless we're already in the redzone (for a FG), nothing... as
> just happened again. Drives me crazy.


In my best Paul McGuire voice: the jets won't win another game this year
as long as they keep BS as their OC.

MZ

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Nov 14, 2010, 1:55:03 PM11/14/10
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On 11/14/2010 10:41 AM, buRford wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:32:42 -0800, Johnny Morongo<j.mir...@harmonicconcordance.com>
> wrote:
>
> Don't know who the OC is, but I want him here. He has our D totally confused.
> While our OC IS totally confused.

LMAO. Their OC is Brian Daboll, who was a Jets coach under Mangini.

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Johnny Morongo

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Nov 14, 2010, 2:17:46 PM11/14/10
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On 11/14/2010 11:06 AM, buRford wrote:
> Really. So the Jets kept Schott& let him go... very good move ;)
> It's funy watching the the Jets O. There is no rhythm, but they can sometimes move&
> score, despite the garbage plays they're given to run.
> Also, you look at the Browns O, it's simple football. Not much presnap motion,& all the
> crap Schott loves. But just simply calling good, simple plays at the right time, can
> confuse a good D. And our D, until we're able to disrupt a QB, without blitzing, we'll
> continue to be picked apart. But they're resilient in limiting TDs.

But the Browns have something that no other team has: Hillis.

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Johnny Morongo

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Nov 14, 2010, 2:30:19 PM11/14/10
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On 11/14/2010 11:25 AM, buRford wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:17:46 -0800, Johnny Morongo<j.mir...@harmonicconcordance.com>

> wrote:
>
>> On 11/14/2010 11:06 AM, buRford wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:55:03 -0800, MZ<ma...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:41 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:32:42 -0800, Johnny Morongo<j.mir...@harmonicconcordance.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/14/2010 10:29 AM, buRford wrote:
>>>>>>> Loved the play selection against our D.
>>>>>>> THAT is the way I'd like to see Schott call plays... mixing plays up, using a Ds
>>>>>>> tendencies against them, just throwing them off balance,& each play setting up the next.
>>>>>>> And with the talent we have, we could be unstoppable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You meant that we could be unstoppable if we had an OC? You don't know
>>>>>> what you're talking about. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know who the OC is, but I want him here. He has our D totally confused.
>>>>> While our OC IS totally confused.
>>>>
>>>> LMAO. Their OC is Brian Daboll, who was a Jets coach under Mangini.
>>>
>>>
>>> Really. So the Jets kept Schott& let him go... very good move ;)
>>> It's funy watching the the Jets O. There is no rhythm, but they can sometimes move&
>>> score, despite the garbage plays they're given to run.
>>> Also, you look at the Browns O, it's simple football. Not much presnap motion,& all the
>>> crap Schott loves. But just simply calling good, simple plays at the right time, can
>>> confuse a good D. And our D, until we're able to disrupt a QB, without blitzing, we'll
>>> continue to be picked apart. But they're resilient in limiting TDs.
>>
>> But the Browns have something that no other team has: Hillis.
>
> F Hillis. We have Gholston to take care of him!

Oh. How could I have forgotten?

papa.carl44

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Nov 14, 2010, 2:44:55 PM11/14/10
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"Johnny Morongo" <j.mir...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
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This half Schott will serrve tea over the ball during that ceremony that is
designed to let the defense adjust to what you are doing and confuse the
guys trying to execute the play. Is it really Brian S's intention to limit
the number of offensive plays by slowing everything down? Greene looks
great...so send in LT...and give him the ball up the middle right
away...that is always obvious too. This is a very poorly designed offense.
What they accomplish is all up to the players and their abilities.


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Johnny Morongo

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Nov 14, 2010, 2:56:40 PM11/14/10
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Nailed it!
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Johnny Morongo

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Nov 14, 2010, 3:03:05 PM11/14/10
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On 11/14/2010 11:57 AM, buRford wrote:
> And they take 10 mins on offense, at the beginning of the 3rd quarter, sputtering down
> field, and get nothing. And I almost feel like they deserve it. Just give the ball to
> Greene, and work other plays off that. They'll drive down field& score.
> Instead, it this mish-mash of passing, interspersed with the run.
> Just keep our opponents in the game, all the time.


I'll be interested to see what the die hard Schitt defenders have to say
about how the players, especially Sanchez, failed, thus exonerating him.

MY GOD! that last call!

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Johnny Morongo

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Nov 14, 2010, 3:37:00 PM11/14/10
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On 11/14/2010 12:12 PM, buRford wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:03:05 -0800, Johnny Morongo<j.mir...@harmonicconcordance.com>
> Aren't ya watching online?

Get me there!

MZ

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Nov 14, 2010, 8:29:31 PM11/14/10
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They really hit a home run on that guy. I think he's a Jones-Drew clone.

Harlan Lachman

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Nov 14, 2010, 10:17:42 PM11/14/10
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In article <l9-dnWGdjOFgEX3R...@giganews.com>,
MZ <ma...@nospam.void> wrote:

Actually, he is the first guy to remind me of Mike Alstott in his prime.
Drew is an over pumped smurf. Hillis and Alstot were men who could move
around, through and over defenders.

I like this guy in college. Unlike my ratings for Colt and Ryan in
Atlanta, I got this one right.

And since Burf brought up the OC, Shott is the first OC I have seen in a
long time who stops his own team rather than making the Defense stop his
offense. When Shonn Greene and Smith are ripping the Browns apart, he
has to switch backs, pass, and give the Browns a chance. I could not
believe the 3rd and 2 call after we essentially ran down the field.

Sanchez, Holmes, and Cotch bailed Shott out today. Sanchez not making
one of those Houdini moves costs us the surprise win.

H

Harlan Lachman

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Nov 14, 2010, 10:18:12 PM11/14/10
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In article <T5KdnXMps5WkoX3R...@giganews.com>,
"papa.carl44" <papad...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:

Yes!!!

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MZ

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Nov 14, 2010, 10:35:18 PM11/14/10
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I think Jones-Drew is a lot more powerful than you give him credit for.
You're only comparing Hillis to Alstott because he's white. :)
Alstott was a slow-poke. Hillis has some shuffle.

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papa.carl44

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Nov 14, 2010, 11:07:26 PM11/14/10
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"Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
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I thought of Alstott also...just tough, but Hillis is a more athletic guy
that Mike was.


papa.carl44

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Nov 14, 2010, 11:08:30 PM11/14/10
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"Harlan Lachman" <har...@eeivt.com> wrote in message
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Good observations.


Harlan Lachman

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Nov 15, 2010, 6:15:09 PM11/15/10
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In article <l9-dnWCdjOHlN33R...@giganews.com>,
MZ <ma...@nospam.void> wrote:

At the end he was. But in his prime, tell that to the guys he left in
his dust.

And, the reason I compare the right player to the right player is that
Alstott and Hillis are both 6' 1" and in the 240 lb range.

The person of color smurf is only 5'7" and 208 lbs.

H

MZ

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Nov 15, 2010, 11:22:34 PM11/15/10
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On 11/15/2010 3:15 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article<l9-dnWCdjOHlN33R...@giganews.com>,

Oh, I know he's small, but he's very powerful. Difficult to take down.
Look at the dude's legs.

Harlan Lachman

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Nov 16, 2010, 5:12:18 PM11/16/10
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In article <256dnZe_e5aQmn_R...@giganews.com>,
MZ <ma...@nospam.void> wrote:

What are you arguing here? My point is that the guy who Hillis most
reminds me of is Alstott. They run similarly, are the same height, and
about the same weight.

Jones-Drew, while arguably just as strong, is an effing smurf and with
his speed and being a midget being able to hide behind an O-lineman has
a different style.

Someone argued I was influenced by color. I pointed out it was height (a
difference of at least half a foot), weight (at least 35 pounds) and
style.

harlan

MZ

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Nov 16, 2010, 7:35:47 PM11/16/10
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On 11/16/2010 2:12 PM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article<256dnZe_e5aQmn_R...@giganews.com>,

I was joking about the color thing. I just think Alstott's style was
much more different from Hillis'. Alstott was always a downhill guy who
kept it between the tackles. Short yardage specialist a lot of the
time. Dude could move for a FB (yeah, I know he was a FB in name
only...), I'll grant you that. But Hillis is still far more versatile,
from what I've seen. His game is positive yardage, hitting the hole
quickly, and evading or sliding out of tackles. Yes, he runs with
power, but this isn't a Brandon Jacobs clone here.

JetsLife

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Nov 16, 2010, 9:04:28 PM11/16/10
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On Nov 14, 1:35 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:32:42 -0800, Johnny Morongo <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On 11/14/2010 10:29 AM, buRford wrote:
> >> Loved the play selection against our D.
> >> THAT is the way I'd like to see Schott call plays... mixing plays up, using a Ds
> >> tendencies against them, just throwing them off balance,&  each play setting up the next.
> >> And with the talent we have, we could be unstoppable.
>
> >You meant that we could be unstoppable if we had an OC?  You don't know
> >what you're talking about.  ;)
>
> And after the fumble, 3 & out... almost every time we get a turnover, or big kick return,

> Schott has no response.  Unless we're already in the redzone (for a FG), nothing... as
> just happened again.  Drives me crazy.

Well the Jets semi shot themselves in the foot by getting a delay of
game. 1st and 15 isn't always the easiest to convert. But hey, even
that can pinned on Schott a little bit. To me that's Sanchez's &
Schott's fault.


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