Which early NFL coach has the most impressive tree ???
Michael
reaches into today's game ???
May be Sid Gillman ???
From that tree you get Al Davis, Chuck Knoll, Chuck Knox, Vermiel,
George Allan... The Bill Walsh tree also started as a branch on the
Gillman tree.
Ray O'Hara
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Except for the senial Davis none of those you mentioned are in todays game.
but yeah Sid knew talent.
Michael
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
if you get a chance, check out this wiki link on gillman with tree
included.... i had no idea all these guys descended from the gillman
tree... including the jets bill callahan
other current guys from the tree: lovie smith, andy ried, john fox,
shanahan, jeff fisher, jack delrio, john harbaugh, mike tomlin
Ray O'Hara
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gillman_Coaching_Tree.gif
it's a fools game, Someone hired Sid so then it becomes that guys tree, but
then he was also hired by someone and it becomes his tree.
eventually you end up with Walter Camp at the roots.
Grinch
Paul Brown. Nobody else is close. Not surprising being that in
addition to being the best coach of his generation he was the first to
employ a full-time year-round coaching staff, which let him sweep up
all the best assistants.
Bill Walsh was Brown's O coach in Cincinnatti for eight years, where
they created the west coast offense.
Also: Weeb Ewbank, Blanton Collier, Lou Saban, Ara Parseghian, Bud
Grant, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, they all either coached for him or
played for him, and the list goes on and on. Then when you add the
guys those guys developed Brown's tree becomes a forest.
E.g. All of Walsh's people ... Chuck Knox was a Ewbank guy on his
Jets ... Tony Dungy through Chuck Noll ... Belichick can up via
Brown's people.
Rex! Buddy Ryan's first pro job was with Ewbank and he learned to
how to win in the pros as an assistant on the Super Bowl Jets. Rex's
coaching is very much Buddy 2.0. Rex -->> Buddy 1.0 --->> Ewbank --->
Brown.
Of course once one goes down a couple "generations" influences can be
traced back to many different sources. Walsh also worked for Al Davis
and Gilman, so you could say he belongs on their trees too. Same with
most everybody else. Go back to the 1700s and all of us who post in
this newsgroup have common ancestors, no doubt. Any coach who's had a
paid job on on three different teams these days can trace back his
roots to probably *every* HC of the 1950s and 60s, if one wants to
make a really impressive chart for somebody.
Ultimately the good ones are their own guys, these trees are
entertaining things to muse about.
But since Paul Brown invented assistant coaching as we know it, he's
the man at the true root of it all.
Curiously, Vince Lombardi's coaching tree is nobody.
Michael
i was googleing a few well known guys to check out their "tree" and I
also noticed there is no tree at all for lombardi...