Pace out for six weeks
Michael
does that mean gholston goes back to olb ??? or may be the grab ad ???
MZ
> http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010-08-29/jets-calvin-pace-reportedly-out-six-weeks
>
> does that mean gholston goes back to olb ??? or may be the grab ad ???
Gotta be Taylor and BLT, right?
Harlan Lachman
MZ <ma...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010-08-29/jets-calvin-pace-reportedly
> > -out-six-weeks
> >
> > does that mean gholston goes back to olb ??? or may be the grab ad ???
>
> Gotta be Taylor and BLT, right?
And Westerman and according to the papers, occasionally VG as a
passrushing OLB (where he has supposedly gotten some reps successfully).
h
MZ
Yeah. Remember that Taylor has some experience at OLB, not just
pass-rushing end. Miami has been using the 3-4 off and on since Saban.
JetsLife
> http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010-08-29/jets-calvin-pace-rep...
>
> does that mean gholston goes back to olb ??? or may be the grab ad ???
Regardless it's a tremendous loss. He's our best pass rusher.
Hopefully it's a blessing in disguise and JT can make some noise.
John C TX
> Harlan Lachman wrote:
> > MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> >> Michael wrote:
> >>>http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010-08-29/jets-calvin-pace-rep...
> >>> -out-six-weeks
>
> >>> does that mean gholston goes back to olb ??? or may be the grab ad ???
> >> Gotta be Taylor and BLT, right?
>
> > And Westerman and according to the papers, occasionally VG as a
> > passrushing OLB (where he has supposedly gotten some reps successfully).
>
> > h
>
> Yeah. Remember that Taylor has some experience at OLB, not just
> pass-rushing end. Miami has been using the 3-4 off and on since Saban.
Taylor will be it. I did see on Jet Nation (hate that name) that
Gholston has played LBer for the most part in pre-season.
MZ
> Taylor will be it. I did see on Jet Nation (hate that name) that
> Gholston has played LBer for the most part in pre-season.
This story today indicates that Adalius Thomas will be the stopgap, but
they won't sign him until after week 1.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/08/ad_gets_his_cha.html
Harlan Lachman
graybeard <gray...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> I've seen several similar opinions expressed in the New York media,
> which brings up a couple of interesting possibilities:
>
> 1. Pace is going to be out a lot longer than just the one game that the
> team is suggesting publicly. If Pace can be back for the second game,
> why would you need to sign Thomas at that time?
>
> 2. Signing AD has nothing to do with Pace. They are just waiting until
> after the first game so that his contract is not guaranteed, and they
> are planning to cut someone else to make room on the roster for him.
Gray, I actually think it is more than just not guaranteeing his money.
I think there is real question as to how well our back ups (Taylor,
Westerman and VG) perform in our opener, the amount AT wants, the
confidence the staff has in a guy let go by the Pats, and how long the
surgeon thinks Pace will be out and then hampered.
If they knew the answers to these other questions, in an uncapped year,
they would just pay the guy.
h
John C TX
> In article <7ehn76dsjqm8i76bsiumaosdgk8ee5f...@4ax.com>,
>
>
>
> graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:41:52 -0400 MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> > >John C TX wrote:
> > >> Taylor will be it. I did see on Jet Nation (hate that name) that
> > >> Gholston has played LBer for the most part in pre-season.
>
> > >This story today indicates that Adalius Thomas will be the stopgap, but
> > >they won't sign him until after week 1.
>
> > >is_cha.html
>
> > I've seen several similar opinions expressed in the New York media,
> > which brings up a couple of interesting possibilities:
>
> > 1. Pace is going to be out a lot longer than just the one game that the
> > team is suggesting publicly. If Pace can be back for the second game,
> > why would you need to sign Thomas at that time?
>
> > 2. Signing AD has nothing to do with Pace. They are just waiting until
> > after the first game so that his contract is not guaranteed, and they
> > are planning to cut someone else to make room on the roster for him.
>
> Gray, I actually think it is more than just not guaranteeing his money.
>
> I think there is real question as to how well our back ups (Taylor,
> Westerman and VG) perform in our opener, the amount AT wants, the
> confidence the staff has in a guy let go by the Pats, and how long the
> surgeon thinks Pace will be out and then hampered.
>
> If they knew the answers to these other questions, in an uncapped year,
> they would just pay the guy.
>
> h
h, there is no doubt they think they still could be tossing big bucks
at Revis. Being able to cut AT could be important. I find rich
people are consistent in only one way. They always like more money.
Thomas probably wants a ton of dough or will be happy to stay home.
Throwing $3MM (?) at a guy you have to pay even if he sucks would not
be smart.
I am sure the conevsration is going like this:
Jets: We would like to offer you X plus an incentive.
AT: Great then pay me vet minimum plus an incentive of $5mm if I do
"y" & $5Mm if we win the Super Bowl.
The Jets know he isn't exactly a hot commodity & his easiest system to
maser & his best chance of success will be with Rex. He will be
signed week two.
papa.carl44
"graybeard" <gray...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> around the Jets this season are because Woody is in a money crunch and
> can't take advantage of the uncapped year. Reading between the lines, it
> seems obvious that Ryan wants Thomas, but Tannenbaum is resisting. This
> is a particularly telling quote: "If we're going to do it, we'd rather
> do it sooner than later," Ryan said. "But there are still some other
> things involved, other factors involved, and things like that. Sometimes
> what really makes sense, might not make sense to the organization, so
> we'll see." How can you read that any other way but that the Jets don't
> want to spend the money?
> --
> graybeard
I thought the conversation between Woody and Westhoof regarding Clowney was
very telling....Woody was suggesting all the good things about Clowney and
Westhoff was resisting...it seemed to bother Woody who was asking if he
couldn't be taught etc. I think Woody expects the staff to make chicken
salad out of chicken s&*^ if it saves him money.....seems like he feels he
spent money on certain players and the rest should be coached into being
stars. Granted...this is only an observation and is really tempered by my
talking with a couple of folks who have had some dealing with Woody in the
past.
papa.carl44
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Harlan Lachman
graybeard <gray...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:32:15 -0400 Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com>
> wrote:
>
> harlan, more and more I come to believe that a lot of things happening
> around the Jets this season are because Woody is in a money crunch and
> can't take advantage of the uncapped year. Reading between the lines, it
> seems obvious that Ryan wants Thomas, but Tannenbaum is resisting. This
> is a particularly telling quote: "If we're going to do it, we'd rather
> do it sooner than later," Ryan said. "But there are still some other
> things involved, other factors involved, and things like that. Sometimes
> what really makes sense, might not make sense to the organization, so
> we'll see." How can you read that any other way but that the Jets don't
> want to spend the money?
Gray, I interpret "other factors" to be that they don't want to sign AT
now and guarantee his salary for a full year if they wonder if the
players they have are better (Westerman, VG, Taylor) and Pace when he
comes back. Why pay a guy bucks who we will cut in a few weeks? Why pay
a guy if the guys we have are better?
I also think we may learn more when the surgeons issue their report if
we hear about it. If he is out only three or four games, the benefit of
signing him is less.
Finally, I think the film must have been horrific because none of the
3-4 teams went after AT.
I interpret the first "If" to be that for the reasons noted, the
decision has not been made. If the Jets dominate the supposedly playoff
bound Ravens on D, I suspect AT is not signed.
So, I think your assessment about money is wrong. Unlike Leon, AT would
have been a one year deal and not impacted a cap if there is a season
next year.
I still like the dumping of TJ, Leon, Lito, Strickland and especially
Faneca.
h
MZ
It's an uncapped year, and so fans should not excuse Mr. Billionaire
from making the team better if it's ultimately to save some money. Fans
should demand that their owner take this rare opportunity and spend
whatever it takes to field the most competitive team possible. If
Adalius makes the team better, and he's looking for a one year deal,
then why on earth should it matter to you and me how much Woody has to pay?
I think the reason Adalius hasn't signed on anywhere yet is because his
asking price is probably on the high side. He signed a megabucks deal
just a few years ago. Adding a few hundred thousand to that is probably
not the most enticing prospect he's ever heard. He'll play this year, I
have no doubt about that. But skipping two-a-days, cutdown dates, etc
has to be a motivator.
I know it's not a function of teams not thinking he's any good. Even if
he can't play linebacker anymore, he was a pro bowl special teamer. At
the very least, teams would want him for kickoff and punt coverage.
John C TX
> at Revis. Being able to cut AT could be important. I find rich
> people are consistent in only one way. They always like more money.
>
> OH MY GOD !!! The GOP has put you on a blacklist now! Look out the
> window...The Beck agents are out there hiding in the bushes already!
:)
They probably did that when I voted for Nader twice but being in this
state is not exactly a protest. I reminded him a screaming lefty buddy
that voting Nader in MA won't change the election either.
John C TX
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>
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> > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:32:15 -0400 Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:41:52 -0400 MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> >>> >John C TX wrote:
> >>> >> Taylor will be it. I did see on Jet Nation (hate that name) that
> >>> >> Gholston has played LBer for the most part in pre-season.
>
> >>> >This story today indicates that Adalius Thomas will be the stopgap, but
> >>> >they won't sign him until after week 1.
>
Papa, Clowney is only making $545,000 this year so I think may be more
of a case of an owner trying to talk football with the staff as
opposed to saving dough.
Why is he talking to coaches at all? It is just bad management. He
doesn't know much about football and why plant seeds in coaches heads?
John C TX
> Harlan Lachman wrote:
> > graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:32:15 -0400 Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:41:52 -0400 MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>
> >>>>> John C TX wrote:
> >>>>>> Taylor will be it. I did see on Jet Nation (hate that name) that
> >>>>>> Gholston has played LBer for the most part in pre-season.
> >>>>> This story today indicates that Adalius Thomas will be the stopgap, but
> >>>>> they won't sign him until after week 1.
>
Mark, it could be $ or it could be Rex knows Thomas and having
leverage is important.
We always think cap space but there are cash flow limits. These teams
also have to deal with bank credit lines, covenants, etc. I would like
to know how often post-acquisition that owners ever write checks to
the owning entity.
MZ
The Jets are one of the most profitable franchises in the NFL. Yet
their spending is not that much higher than small market teams. Look at
the MLB. Woody sure as hell isn't losing money. He's got one of the
most solid investments going.
papa.carl44
Have you watched Hard Knocks? He's always there, and on the field..he does
the exercise thing with the coaches too....go up to Madison, NJ...you will
see him right in the middle of things....Jerry Jones is his role model I
guess.
Michael
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>
>
> > The Jets are one of the most profitable franchises in the NFL. Yet
> > their spending is not that much higher than small market teams. Look at
> > the MLB. Woody sure as hell isn't losing money. He's got one of the
> > most solid investments going.
>
> have spent a lot of money this year including the stadium. This
> could be a case of being cheap but I don't know what Thomas wants so I
> don't know what the risk entails.
agree... the jets have never been a "cheap" franchise. far from it.
that goes way back. werblin spent a bundle and so did hess. woody
also put a lot into the team with the new practice facilites and the
new stadium. also... the jets have alwas had one of the best medical
and training staffs in the league.