Re: Rumor: Brandon Marshall to Fins...
Tutor
> For 2010 2nd-rounder & 2011 2nd-rounder.
>
> So, in a sense, Tanny's aggressive offseason has pushed the Fins to upgrade at WR.
> Marshall *may* be a bit better than Holmes, or may not... BUT, we gave a 5th, and they've
> given two #2s, possibly weakening the fins. They may not have been so quick to part with
> those high draft picks, if not for Holmes becoming a Jet. So that's two possibly talented
> players taken out of the mix for the fins. Marshall vs Holmes is a wash.
> Just a thought.
they are feverishly shopping former 1st round pick, Ted Ginn Jr. Not
sure what his market value is, perhaps a 4th or a late 3rd? I'm just
glad that Marshall didn't go to the Patriots. The AFC East is
becoming very scary. Particularly for Bills fans, who right now wish
they were in LA.
Tutor
oh and the Fins deal for Marshall was confirmed on ESPN. All he has
to do is pass his physical. And not beat up any women on his flight
to Miami. The fins will be sending michael as an escort to ensure the
proper behavior. :)
Johnctx
Well Bronco's wives can sleep better now their spouse is less likely to
get shot but Marshall is a talent. He is what Edwards could be if he
could catch.
MZ
> For 2010 2nd-rounder & 2011 2nd-rounder.
>
> So, in a sense, Tanny's aggressive offseason has pushed the Fins to upgrade at WR.
> Marshall *may* be a bit better than Holmes, or may not... BUT, we gave a 5th, and they've
> given two #2s, possibly weakening the fins. They may not have been so quick to part with
> those high draft picks, if not for Holmes becoming a Jet. So that's two possibly talented
> players taken out of the mix for the fins. Marshall vs Holmes is a wash.
> Just a thought.
Marshall is a much better player. But giving up a 5th rounder is waaay
better than two 2nds.
Michael
The Bills are in serious trouble. On the cusp of being the doormat of
the AFC East. They went from having a loser coach to having another
loser for a coach. Though, the Fish dont scare too much so long as
the stick with Chad Henne. If they ever manage to get a skilled QB,
they will be a team to recon with.
MZ
Their defense is highly suspect too, Michael. They added Dansby, but
they still need edge rushers and beef up front. Their secondary may not
be that great either. The Bills may very well field a better defense
than the Phins. If anyone's in need of a QB though, it's them.
Michael
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I think the Bills have a more talented defensive roster than the Fist
do. The Bills at least have some good edge rushers and i like thier
MLB Posluzny (spelling ?) when his arm is not broken. What I like
about the Fish and I dont like about the Bills is management and
coaching. The Fish guys calling the shots on the field and grocery
shopping almost ensures they can make soup from stones. The Bills new
coach is a loser and their owner dont get it. I'd put my money on the
Fish coaching staff and managment over the Bills any day. The Fish
will improve from season to season while the Bills stay at a tick
below .500 forever. I feel Bad for Bills fans. From Jauron to
Galey. And the loser passes the torch to the other loser.
Heywood Jablome
> For 2010 2nd-rounder & 2011 2nd-rounder.
>
> So, in a sense, Tanny's aggressive offseason has pushed the Fins to upgrade at WR.
> Marshall *may* be a bit better than Holmes, or may not... BUT, we gave a 5th, and they've
> given two #2s, possibly weakening the fins. They may not have been so quick to part with
> those high draft picks, if not for Holmes becoming a Jet. So that's two possibly talented
> players taken out of the mix for the fins. Marshall vs Holmes is a wash.
> Just a thought.
LOL, marshall "may" be a "bit" better than holmes?? Marshall vs holmes
is a wash?? Uhh, not quite
Marshall
2007: 102 receptions, 1,325 yards, 7 tds
2008: 104 receptions, 1,265 yards, 6 tds
2009: 101 receptions, 1,120 yards, 10 tds
Holmes:
2007: 52 receptions, 942 yards, 8 tds
2008: 55 receptions, 821 yards, 5 tds
2009: 79 receptions, 1,248 yards, 5 tds
3 year average
Marshall: 102 receptions, 1,236 yards, 8 tds
Holmes: 62 receptions, 1,003 yards, 6 tds
Theyre not a wash. When holmes catches 100 balls for 3 straight years
then maybe we can talk. And oh yea, marhsall is 6'4 230, holmes is
5'11.
MZ
Welker's a midget and is better than both.
Cotchery is a better receiver than Braylon, but Braylon's bigger. Size
doesn't really matter.
But Marshall is a lot better than Holmes. But I also think he'd piss
off Michael more than Holmes.
Michael
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I'd much rather have Marshall than Holmes.
TFK
scrubs like LDT, Cromartie and Holmes, while Miami added legit studs
like Dansby and Marshall. Let's compare teams...
QB: Advantage Miami
RB: Advantage Miami
WR: Advantage Miami
TE: Advantage Jets
OL: Advantage Miami
DL: Advantage Miami
LB: Advantage Jets
CB: Advantage Jets
FS: Advantage Miami
SS: Advantage Jets
K: Advantage Miami
Coaching: Advantage Miami
Miami was better then the Jets last season, and improved while the
Jets regressed. The gap is even further this season.
TFK
MZ
> Miami is gonna be tough to beat this year. The Jets loaded up on
> scrubs like LDT, Cromartie and Holmes, while Miami added legit studs
> like Dansby and Marshall.
"Like" Dansby and Marshall? No, you mean Dansby and Marshall. That's
it. No one else. Two players. The Dolphins were a sub-.500 team last
year. They're gonna need a hell of a lot more than two players to turn
them into a winning team in a tough division. We'll see what the draft
holds.
Above average trolling attempt though. Kudos.
TFK
schedule in the NFL whil suffering a slew of injuries to several
players. They will win the division this season, you can count on it.
TFK
MZ
> Miami won the division the season before,
3rd place in '09. In other words, in order to be contenders for the
division title, they need to improve even more than the Jets and
Patriots do.
> then played the toughest
> schedule in the NFL
No they didn't. The Patriots did. And the Jets were in the top 1/4.
There really wasn't a big difference between the schedules of those
three teams.
> whil suffering a slew of injuries to several
> players.
The Jets lost their best offensive player and 2nd best defensive player
to injured reserve. Miami isn't the only team to suffer injuries.
Michael
They would stand a good chance to do that if the division included
them and the Bills. Whole other story with the Jets and Patriots
joining the fun. The Fish dont scare me so long as Henne is under
center.
rt
Can't resist chiming in here.
A "stat guy" like you MZ has to recognize the silliness of the
"toughest schedule" stat. Granted, you were responding to TFK, but
that statistic always sticks in my craw in terms of uselessness.
Miami did have the "toughest" schedule, measured last August, based on
2008 W/L records, but how and when do we decide to measure these for
good? At the end of the season? Why would we do that, the games
have already been played and there's even less predictive value in
such a stat. Enough on that.
Is Kris Jenkins really the Jets second best defender? Doesn't he seem
to tire out and become part of a rotation later in games as his 350+lb
mass starts to take its toll? When he is fresh he is a beast, gotta'
grant you that, but years of ignoring conditioning seem to be taking a
toll here. I can't imagine his career has too much left.
And remember, the Dolphins started 0-3, finished 7-9, versus the 9-7
Jets, and we lost Ronnie (i.e. "our offense") and our only nonrookie
CB. Jets had a very nice post season run, can't argue that, but it
sure isn't like there is a immense gulf separating these two teams,
not even considering green was 0-2 against MIA.
You did not take advantage of the one point TFK blew. No way does MIA
beat NYJ in terms of FS. I say that with 100% assurance, without even
knowing who the Jets FS is. Rhodes? Ours was Gibril Wilson, who
sucks huge ass. Ask Braylon. We cut him. After the Raiders did.
And after we paid something like $8 mill in signing bonus. No, that
piece of shit was our FS(not SS, just look at the formations and
calls) and he couldn't have been a bigger disappointment. So
advantage Jets there, regardless of who your FS was.
Anyway, congrats to Miami for yet another victory over the Jets- We
may have found an even bigger dick WR than you guys landed. He is
bigger, that much we know. Which one gets suspended first is a worthy
wager.
Does Mr. Jensen have our trophy polished?
rt
MZ
I mostly agree. I was too lazy to compile or look for a better
description of the stat.
Anyway, the lists show that the Dolphins topped the Patriots, but they
fail to mention that the Dolphins lost more games than the Patriots,
thus enabling their opponents to have a better record. I accounted for
that.
I guess it's pretty irrelevant though because the Dolphins still faced
tougher opponents than the Jets. Just not tougher than the Pats.
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> Is Kris Jenkins really the Jets second best defender? Doesn't he seem
> to tire out and become part of a rotation later in games as his 350+lb
> mass starts to take its toll? When he is fresh he is a beast, gotta'
> grant you that, but years of ignoring conditioning seem to be taking a
> toll here. I can't imagine his career has too much left.
They said that about Casey Hampton, what, 5 years ago? :)
An argument can be made that Harris is their second best defender. I
said Jenkins because, when healthy, there isn't a better nose in
football. I don't know about him tiring out. He plays a lot of snaps,
especially under Mangini. He's been hurt the past two seasons. Seems
like more of an injury problem than a conditioning problem.
> And remember, the Dolphins started 0-3, finished 7-9, versus the 9-7
> Jets, and we lost Ronnie (i.e. "our offense") and our only nonrookie
> CB. Jets had a very nice post season run, can't argue that, but it
> sure isn't like there is a immense gulf separating these two teams,
> not even considering green was 0-2 against MIA.
>
> You did not take advantage of the one point TFK blew. No way does MIA
> beat NYJ in terms of FS. I say that with 100% assurance, without even
> knowing who the Jets FS is. Rhodes? Ours was Gibril Wilson, who
> sucks huge ass. Ask Braylon. We cut him. After the Raiders did.
> And after we paid something like $8 mill in signing bonus. No, that
> piece of shit was our FS(not SS, just look at the formations and
> calls) and he couldn't have been a bigger disappointment. So
> advantage Jets there, regardless of who your FS was.
Eric Smith I guess. This is a "who sucks less" argument.