To the Schott Haters
Copp
view from a Pats fan and what the announcers were
seeing. I went through the first six Jets series
of the Pats game, and this is what I saw:
1st drive - 2 drops, Holmes and Tomlimson, then a
bad throw to Tomlinson under pressure, Sanchez
dropped straight back about 10 yds then didn't
move right to get away though he had room.
2nd - Delay of game penalty, then drop of
easy catch by Holmes (announcers notice), then
a bad pass behind an open Holmes, then a 13yd
punt.
3rd - Edwards drops a catchable pass on 3rd
down. Annoucers talk about how Edwards and
Holmes have to start making catches.
4th - Dropped pass by Edwards on 3rd down,
announcers say again how Edwards has to make
that catch.
5th - Drop by Brad Smith.
6th - A messed up hand-off, then a bad play
by Smith in the wildcat that goes nowhere, then
Sanchez throws int into tight coverage in the
middle when his open guy was on the left.
Not once did an announcer say: Hey this play calling is off.
Conclusion: Looks like a lot of sloppy play execution,
and they aren't practicing enough. I would stick Edwards
and Holmes in a wind tunnel in an ice-box and make
them attempt catches until they get 20 in a row.
Michael
i do not hate schott... i dont know him... i dont think he is good at
his job... he may be good at other things as far as football goes, but
he has been horrendously bad as the jet's oc.
i also liked kotite and herm very much but did not think they were
good coaches. both were hard to hate but it was easy to see that they
did not have ownership of their jobs as hc.
i like rex a lot and think he is an excellent coach that needs to grow
into his role. a man with intelegence and above all honesty will
always go forward. i dont like that he got stuck with schotty... rex
himself may have thought schotty was going to be good. rex knows
better now but at the expense of the competitive hardship schott's
incompetence has caused him. with a real OC, the jets would be 12-1
right now.
the jet defense held GB to nothing... they held the ravens to
nothing... the held miami to nothing...
the offense on the other hand... DID NOTHING.
JKConey
"Copp" <cr7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just thought I'd give you a more objective point of
> view from a Pats fan and what the announcers were
> seeing. I went through the first six Jets series
> of the Pats game, and this is what I saw:
>
Yes we have a very young and inaccurate QB. That said, why is he throwing
40 passes a game that for the most part are higher percentage? Doesn't a
good coach call plays that cater to the strengths of his players? Sanchez
has to beg the coach to use more of a hurry up? We all see that he does
better when he's moving, but not Shott. Where's a 2-3 step drop, and quick
hits? He runs very well, but last year they forbid him from running at all.
They ditch the running game as soon as the 1st down run gets only 3 yards.
If I see it, what about the other defenses? They're not stupid. These are
all coaching issues. Head coach has blinders on when it comes to the
offense. Parcels would have gotten in the room with him ages ago, booted him
out, or put pressure on him publically. Rex doesn't do any of this.
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Copp
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buRford <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input, but nobody ever said it's only about playcalling.
> Execution, preparation, play selection, discipline, play selection appropriate for a given
> situation, schooling players on football smarts, designing plays, utilizing talent
> appropriately, etc, etc, etc... are all on the OC.
The main complaint has been playcalling and playselection. The head
coach is the party responsible for overall team discipline.
> As for what announcers say, do you really base what you think, on what they say?
> Or do you have eyes of your own?
I do, and reported exactly what I saw and heard. I also believe
that Ron Jaworski and Jon Gruden have more football experience
than you or I.
I think you need to look at the nfl.com playbook video
on what's ailing the Jets. Even the run plays are being
messed up by lackadaisicle play by Holmes. Why does his
name keep coming up?
>
> Also, notice how Woodhead is utilized on your team.
> Who do you think had the opportunity to utilize Woodhead, in that fashion, on the Jets?
> The Jets traded Leon Washington, because they could get McKnight... but did they really
> need McKnight, when they had Woodhead??
> Woodhead had no place on the Jets, because those charged with evaluating talent on
> offense, the OC being #1, had no clue.
Notice how Santonio Holmes was used on your team. He was open
multiple times, and he DROPPED THE BALL (numerous times). That drop in the
Miami game was the worst I have ever seen, and I didn't believe
it could have been so bad until I saw the clip today.
> There is not one aspect of an OC's responsibilities, that Schottenheimer has mastered,
> after 5+ years in the position.
I think you've been told about Pennington's completion percentage
already.
> So, again, thanks for the input, but you missed the whole point... including that people
> hate Schott. We are Jets fans, and as such, we want the Jets to be successful... to win
> the Vince. An incompetent OC, who is in way over his head, prevents that success.
Well, it looks to me that the head coach is a bit of a
Bragadocius Pimpmobile, and that attitude has infected the
whole team. Like all bullies, he looks like he's going to
cry on the sideline when his team is hit in the mouth.
Honestly, I think the OC could be part of the problem, but
he's also the least of the problems.
AT
Copp
have a more balanced attack than the Pats:
Jets 443 passes, 427 runs
Pat 427 passes, 352 runs
Copp
"JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> "Copp" <cr79...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0a908bc60553cc41...@rip.ax.lt...
> > Just thought I'd give you a more objective point of
> > view from a Pats fan and what the announcers were
> > seeing. I went through the first six Jets series
> > of the Pats game, and this is what I saw:
> >
>
>
> Yes we have a very young and inaccurate QB. That said, why is he throwing
> 40 passes a game that for the most part are higher percentage?
He's not, he's throwing 34 passes per game. He threw 44 passes because
his team was way behind most of the game.
>Doesn't a
> good coach call plays that cater to the strengths of his players?
Yes, and Schott seems to do that, as the receivers are open quite
often. Then they drop the ball or Sanchez makes a bad throw. Take
a look at the video at nfl.com where the playbook guys show easy
plays being messed up.
>Sanchez
> has to beg the coach to use more of a hurry up? We all see that he does
> better when he's moving, but not Shott. Where's a 2-3 step drop, and quick
> hits?
I seem to see those pretty often, as well as a hurry-up offense too.
I'm pretty convinced now that the Schott haters are just not being fair.
They don't even see the actual game in front of them.
Grinch
> Execution, preparation, play selection, discipline, play selection appropriate for a given
> situation, schooling players on football smarts, designing plays, utilizing talent
> appropriately, etc, etc, etc... are all on the OC.
Yup. *Everything* is on the OC. What's not? :-)
> As for what announcers say, do you really base what you think, on what they say?
> Or do you have eyes of your own?
>
> Also, notice how Woodhead is utilized on your team.
> Who do you think had the opportunity to utilize Woodhead, in that fashion, on the Jets?
> The Jets traded Leon Washington, because they could get McKnight... but did they really
> need McKnight, when they had Woodhead??
> Woodhead had no place on the Jets, because those charged with evaluating talent on
> offense, the OC being #1, had no clue.
Now Tannenbaum's not managing personnel, Schott is.
Why does Schott let these guys keep their jobs, when he's already
doing all of them himself ever so badly? :-)
> There is not one aspect of an OC's responsibilities, that Schottenheimer has mastered,
> after 5+ years in the position.
Oh, give him his due, you guys have often said he's mastered the
ability to hypnotize and/or blackmail Woody to keep his job and
evident power over Rex. Give him credit for that.
And the media and league and professional analysts too, since his five
straight years of utter incompetence has gone generally unrecognized,
you must admit.
So he's good a something. Mind control....
> So, again, thanks for the input, but you missed the whole point... including that people
> hate Schott. We are Jets fans, and as such, we want the Jets to be successful... to win
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Burf, what's the difference between Schott directing three years of
offense with a pass completion rate of 66%, well above the league
average of 61%, and Schott directing the last two years of offense
with a league-bottom rate of 53%?
Is the difference:
a) Schott
b) Sanchez
Pick one, and only one.
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Michael
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just like a schotty defender to apply that sort of a statistic. how
many passing yards did that league leading 66 % yield over those three
years ??? what was the third down conversion percentage over those
three years ??? you might as well be pointing out the jets percentage
of qb hand-offs. the only time the jets offense worked well under
schotty was the favre mid season stretch... beacause favre put his own
offense in.
Glenn Greenstein
> In article <ieapu7$68...@news.eternal-september.org>
Copp, it's a nobel thing you are trying to do here but I would just
leave it. There s no convincing certain people of what you are trying
to.
But welcome to the Schott Defender party of alt.sports.football.pro.ny-
jets
Harlan Lachman
<d45ccc79-bfdd-40c1...@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote:
Michael, you are wasting your time.
Shott defenders point to meaningful stats and events like completion
percentage, dropped passes, and the split between runs and passes, even
on first down.
They ignore the predicability of plays by personnel, the reliance on
runs on first downs early in games, plays seemingly picked out of a hat
box rather than attacking a D, setting them up, or forcing an opponent
to stop what works. They ignore the causes of penalties and perhaps
drops.
If you want consolation, Shott's supporters are stuck with an offense
that will not work. Unfortunately, so are you and me.
Harlan
Grinch
Oh, my. First of all, for the n-teenth time, I've never defended
Schott so I am not a Schott defender. OK?
I'm a Sanchez basher! There's a difference. The way you guys go...
"If you don't attack Schott you are a Schott defender!.... If you
aren't with us in attacking Schott, but say there's a problem at QB
not caused by Schott, you are against us as a Schott defender!"
... that's using the same logic as Republicans starting a war. Tut,
tut. :-(
> to apply that sort of a statistic.
You mean that sort of "fact".
As opposed to a *dream* that if the coaches just got out if his way
and let him "simply... play football ...Force the defense to have to
cover the entire width of the field", and play "Bombs Away Bingo", the
league's most innacurate passer's picks somehow would go down and his
accuracy would go up! Ha! What sort of fertile imagination does that
take?
> how many passing yards did that league leading 66 % yield over those three
> years ???
Well, if you want more facts...
Popgun and Ol' Sorearm: 66% comp rate, 215 yds/game, 82.5 rating.
"The Franchise" Sanchez: 53% comp rate, 189 yds/game, 69.1 rating
Really, do you suppose the difference there is the QB or the OC, being
that it is the same OC? :-)
>what was the third down conversion percentage over those
> three years ???
Considering how important it is to complete passes to make 3rd downs,
maybe you can invoke your common sense to figure out who's been a lot
worse at it?
Or even just look up the numbers and get aquainted with facts
yourself?
> you might as well be pointing out the jets percentage
> of qb hand-offs. the only time the jets offense worked well under
> schotty was the favre mid season stretch... beacause favre put his own
> offense in.
:-) (Favre as an OC. I'll enjoy seeing that the day it happens!)
So do you *really* believe that the quality of the QB doesn't matter
to an offense?
That it results only from the OC? If Ryan Leaf and Tom Brady had
swapped OCs Ryan would be heading to the HoF and Tom would be a bust?
That completion % and yards and 3rd-down conversion rate and TD-pick
ratio and passing rating *don't matter* for a QB -- because it's *all*
the OC's fault?
Or do you think that they do matter -- **except** in the case of
Sanchez, because if the way they all plunged when Sanchez arrived is
on Sanchez then we are totally *screwed*, because the geniuses in the
front office never thought to prepare a Plan B when betting the house
on a kid who was an untested naif even among rookies.
And we *can't* be in that situation, no way ... so it must all be the
OC's fault! QED.
But we can always change the OC and not be screwed -- and we can dream
about how that would let The Sanchize just run free to simply play
football, Bombs Away Bingo, like Peyton Manning!
Hard Cold Football Fact:
For two years now Sanchez has been performing at a level that means
"out of a job fast" for any QB not protected by a mega-dollar top-
draft pick contract. Clemens got eight games producing virtually the
exact same numbers, lost his job, and had to take a pay cut to stay on
the roster.
When you get in touch enough with reality to admit this a big, genuine
problem at the most important position on the offense -- and that,
yes, it is hurting the offense -- I may consider your opinion that
there's a problem at OC.