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Michael

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Aug 23, 2010, 8:34:39 PM8/23/10
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First quarter and I already saw Rhodes badly late with his coverage on
a long Titans pass play. Reminded me of some of what was seen in the
Falcons and Jags games last year

Tutor

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Aug 23, 2010, 8:43:51 PM8/23/10
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Sherry Rhodes will have Cardinal fans raging before the end of
September. Best trade away ever made by the Jets.

Michael

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Aug 23, 2010, 9:10:54 PM8/23/10
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man do both cardinal qb's suck. lineart nor anderson can do shit.
warner was that enrire team. time to sink back to the bottom of the
div, i'm afraid

papa.carl44

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Aug 23, 2010, 10:55:45 PM8/23/10
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"Michael" <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> First quarter and I already saw Rhodes badly late with his coverage on
> a long Titans pass play. Reminded me of some of what was seen in the
> Falcons and Jags games last year

I don't know what has happened with me...I used to watch preseason
ball...but I can only deal with about one quarter of this at the most and
then it gets completely boring. I hope I "come back" when the regular
season starts. If I could just see film of a position and get to evaluate
somebody it might be OK...but watching guys screw up, and look like they may
be playing a little on the cautious side does not excite me. Seems to me
that there is a lot of talent drop off in a lot of these teams now.


MZ

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Aug 23, 2010, 11:33:27 PM8/23/10
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Carl, you're not alone. Maybe it's just me, but this preseason has
looked especially terrible to me. I watched some of the Cardinals game
and a game the other night, and it's been ridiculously bad this year.

papa.carl44

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"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
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Damn, I'm glad you see it too. Also, they do not look like they are putting
forth the effort you should see. Now, I just did watch some of the Dolphins
Jaquars and the Fish look good on offense....I know I sound like a Henning
acolyte...but he makes it happen. It's a pretty offense to watch and it
"flows"...one thing sets up other things and you see him take advantage of
stuff the D is doing....both Chads looked good. I do not see that kind of
flow in the Jets offensive schemes. Sorry, but it's true. Marshall has a
lot to do with it too...he is very hard to defend. I think the Fish will
give the division a hard time. Neither defense in the first half of this
looked like they were ready...some bright spots in terms of some individual
things, but not any real schemes that looked good. Still WAY better than
that Cardinal mess.


MZ

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Aug 24, 2010, 1:22:42 AM8/24/10
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I agree completely. The Dolphins are a team to watch.

John C TX

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Aug 24, 2010, 9:02:41 AM8/24/10
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On Aug 24, 12:22 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> papa.carl44 wrote:
> > "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote in message
> >news:8_udnZXwgKUSoO7R...@giganews.com...
> >> papa.carl44 wrote:
> >>> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message

Adding a great WR is a big hep to that offense. How much Wildcat did
they run?

Have the Jets run that once this preseason?

Michael

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Aug 24, 2010, 9:47:05 AM8/24/10
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On Aug 23, 10:55 pm, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
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> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message

for me, preseason has always been lame in comparison with the regular
season. the coordinators hold back with their play books and so do a
lot of the vets. it is even hard to recognize the quality of the new
guys that are fighting for their professional lifes when seen in the
surroundings of third string action. also agree that the fish offense
looked like they were playing for real. henne looks like he's moving
a lot better and he's not making bad decisions. still.. lets see how
he does when it counts in a few weeks. in the jets/giants game, the
jets first string defense also looked like it was actually playing.
cant say the same for the jet offense. i know a lot of commentators
and fans are worried about sanchez blowing the whole works, but the
guy that scares me is schotty.

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papa.carl44

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Aug 24, 2010, 6:14:17 PM8/24/10
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"buRford" <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> You're a better man than me... I've been watching a few series, then I
> start meandering
> around
> Aside from the play, all the extraneous nonsense chatter, promos (there's
> some promo after
> every play), etc. Between that, the play, and the endless commercials,
> not to mention all
> the flying graphics & sound fx, there really isn't much focus on football
> itself, or often
> the actual game.

BINGO...I hate that crap.....but look at all the new stadiums...they are set
up for people to just come and be seen, go to the luxury boxes and drink ,
eat and socialize....the actual game, for many, is secondary to it all...How
many times did any of you guys ever go to a game and some buffon thinks he's
at a concert and starts bouncing a freakin ball around and got angry when
you didn't participate? Damn that pissed me off...that and doing the wave
or some other stupid thing...I went to watch football...and on TV that's all
I want to do too...I really hate it when the idiot doing the telestrator
thing gets it wrong :-)


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Michael

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Aug 25, 2010, 10:07:41 AM8/25/10
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On Aug 25, 1:05 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:14:17 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message

> >news:bra876lncauva249h...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:55:45 -0400, "papa.carl44"
> >> <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>>"Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> So much of it is nonsense now.  I used to love going to games, everyone was watching &
> focusing on the game.  And when there was a stoppage of play, people would shout out, *TV
> Timeout,* because they were rare.
> Now, every second of time, & every inch of space, has to be filled with something
> commercial, or some distraction.
> It's like turning on a news station, to actually get news.  You have graphics shooting
> around, sound fx, a ticker at the bottom of the screen, the newsperson talking, another
> screen to the right showing some b-roll footage, a headline graphic with a brief synopsis
> of what the newsperson is saying, a moving graphic behind the newsperson that states the
> name of show, etc.  In all that, the story itself is lost.
>
> It really is no wonder this Country is on the fast-track to 3rd-world status, with the
> lack of focus, and perpetual distraction & commercialism ;)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"Bread & Circuses"

Any of this sound farmilliar ???

Decline in Morals
Political Corruption
Aggressive,Self Serving Foreign Policy
Perpetual State of War
Heavy Military Spending
Foreign Knowledge of Military Tactics & Equipment
Faltering Economy
Complete Lack Of Exports
Unemployment of the Working Classes (The Plebs)
Profound Imballance Of Wealth Distribution
Public Distraction by Means of the 'Games'
Destruction of Cultural Cohesion Due to Vast In Migration
Decline in Ethics and Values
Slave Labor
Monotheism
Barbarian Invasion (Inability to control the boarders)

The interesting thing is, the Roman military did not have a nuke
arsenal to toss around during its death throes. This time it should
really be interesting.

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Michael

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Aug 25, 2010, 3:47:58 PM8/25/10
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On Aug 25, 3:22 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Yup, good analogy.
>
> The most interesting thing about our current state, in this country, is how after 9-11,
> everything bin Laden whined about or wanted, has come to fruition.
> He didn't like our presence in Saudi Arabia... Bush immediately closed our huge airbase in
> SA, after 9-11.
> He wanted to bankrupt us... we start 2 wars, start a huge new federal bureaucracy
> (Homeland security)... all a large cause of our fiscal woes.  None of it paid for... all
> borrowed from China & SA.
> He wanted to scare us... especially on the Right, they've been running around for a
> decade, like frightened children.
> It's a holy war, Christians vs Muslims.  Bush speaks of our crusade in Iraq.  Talk-radio
> with its incessant *islamo-fascist* rhetoric... and now, the manufactured *mosque* issue
> in NY, and all around the country.
> Abu Ghraib, wiretapping, Habeas corpus, etc... I can go on, but you get my drift.
> All for what, because a crazy cult of under 25,000 people worldwide, don't like us... the
> superpower.
>
> As an aside... I used to wonder how the German people went along with it, back in the 30s.
> Had many fascinating discussions with German friends.
> The stories they told me, are very reminiscent of what's been going on here, especially in
> the Media.  They're terrified by how much the Right-Wing tactics now, resemble what
> happened in their parents day in the old country.  It's attack & hate everyone time.
> Kudos to Ron Paul for calling out the GOP fear-mongering.
>
> I'll stop the rant now... just sad what's happened to this country.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

enjoyable post... and yes... i agree that you can see a lot of
parallels between the political climate here and the birth of any
given fascist nation in prior history. though, with what we have here
now, it is even harder to deal with. there is no snake head to cut
off. no single evil man or regime. every portion of the globalist/
corporatist snake is its own head. teddy roosevelt is turning in his
grave.

as for 9-11. I think 9-11 is some what of a focal point, but the
real trouble started for us after the reconstruction. all well
meaning measures at the time, but the writing was on the wall after
that. it was pretty much the beginning of the end of the republic.

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papa.carl44

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Aug 26, 2010, 6:45:53 AM8/26/10
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"buRford" <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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Amen...and in a sane world some of these fear mongers on the right would be
charged with sedition...and that is not hyperbole or inflamed rhetoric. The
people who attack our President the way they do, with all the birther
nonsense and the claims of his hidden religion and then refer to all Muslims
as terrorists and denounce the Iman who was chosen by Bush to act as a
moderate do nothing but turn our allies against us. The bizarre aspect of
this is we are fighting a war FOR a Muslim country, supporting a Muslim
government...these right wing nuts support the war, and denounce the ally.
Insanity!


Michael

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Aug 26, 2010, 10:04:06 AM8/26/10
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On Aug 26, 12:28 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> It's a more behind-the-scenes *decentralized* *snake* now ;)
> The *snake* are people like the Koch brothers, their dad co-founded the John Birch
> Society, both founded Americans for Prosperity, which were the brains behind the *tea
> party* movement, the anti-climate change & *death tax* movements, among others.
> Interestingly, I noticed today an article in the New Yorker about them, but haven't read
> it yet.  http://bit.ly/9h3bdA

>
>
>
> >as for 9-11.   I think 9-11 is some what of a focal point, but the
> >real trouble started for us after the reconstruction.  all well
> >meaning measures at the time, but the writing was on the wall after
> >that.  it was pretty much the beginning of the end of the republic.
>
> And it went into overdrive, the past 30 years.
>
> Watch what happens if the GOP gets subpoena power, in November.
> It'll be non-stop BS hearings, which'll make the Clinton witch-hunt trivial ;)- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

right vs. left is really just a side show. a smoke screen. what
happened here is a bit different than what you get when a capitol
nation falls. typically, an entire sociopolitical edifice collapses
and is replaced by something entirely different. in our case, what has
happened is more like invasion of the body snatchers. same country
name and flag. even the history and myths are sustained. the key is
that the political mechanism has been "snatched" by global
corporatism. the real governing impetus that we have now is "a-
political". "the republicrats" are all on the same set of strings.
beating down the right for this reason or the left for that reason is
pissing up a rope. that isnt where the snake is really coiled.

MZ

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Aug 26, 2010, 11:30:32 AM8/26/10
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You guys act like this is something new. I don't think things have
changed much in the past century and a half, maybe longer. Travel and
shipping have been improved, the same philosophies apply. Corporate-run
government, tiered populace, ruling elite govt officials, etc. Things
have become a little more entrenched, but the game is the same. There
have ALWAYS been 9/11's, evil mexicans, and partisanship. They just
took slightly different forms.

Michael

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Aug 26, 2010, 1:27:19 PM8/26/10
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> took slightly different forms.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

mark... it is new for us here. it also has a unique quality to it now
because of the length of the its reach. oddly enough, there may very
well be some sort of silver lining to it at the end of it all. an
imagined global corporatist governing body has a pure motive. it has
no ethnic, religious or social bias. it is worth contemplating. if
you want to look over the rainbow where there could be real world
unity, this could be one of the ways to get there. it could offer a
fair and prosperous future for the world or it could wind up making us
all a team of animals under one whip.

MZ

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Aug 26, 2010, 1:37:27 PM8/26/10
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I was referring to america. In the days of yore, the same crap was
going on. 100+ years ago, do you think there was entrepreneurship,
socioeconomic mobility, and separation between church/state, err...
between business/state? Some elements may be worse today, but that's
only to counteract the technological advancement.

papa.carl44

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Aug 26, 2010, 2:20:17 PM8/26/10
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"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
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Hoover had a Mexican Repatriation program....that didn't work either...he
kept finding folks whose families had been here since the 1600's


papa.carl44

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Aug 26, 2010, 2:22:20 PM8/26/10
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"Michael" <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I believe some anthropologists may call the "take our country back" crowd
examples of revitalization or rennasaince movements...something that takes
place just before it disappears completely in a culture...kind of like the
ghost dance


papa.carl44

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Aug 26, 2010, 2:24:01 PM8/26/10
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"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
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It's the medium that spreads the message now...now the laborer, plain joe
worker etc. can't ignore it...a lot more at stake now too...but you are
right, the same forces were at play


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MZ

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Aug 26, 2010, 3:54:12 PM8/26/10
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John C TX wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes

>
>> Hoover had a Mexican Repatriation program....that didn't work either...he
>> kept finding folks whose families had been here since the 1600's
>
> Didn't they send back 3MM people in the 30's & successfully close the
> border even before the war?
>
> I think the GOP is screwing the pooch on this one --as are the Dems.
> This issue should be framed to address two issues:
>
> 1. We need immigrants.
> 2. Let immigrants in that wish to be an American.
>
> This problem is easily solved but the left wants voters and the GOP
> wants coolie wages. Close the border for one year to everyone and see
> what we need. Then implement a national identity card. In many
> (most?) states you are required to carry ID so why is this such a
> problem?

4th amendment. Wouldn't pass SCOTUS if national ID ended up being
required documentation to carry with you. Instead, they should just
start issuing social security cards that are a lot harder to forge.
Similar in principle, but it wouldn't require that you carry, and it
also wouldn't require new policy (with probably a new government agency
and task force and training and computers to go along with it).

After that, fix the 3yr wait on green cards and many of the issues with
illegal immigration are all but solved.


> Come up with hard quotas for skilled & unskilled workers but
> if they come in they have to have an avenue to citizenship. the idea
> that someone can come here & break their back picking broccoli & never
> become an American is a recipe for disaster.

Why is it a recipe for disaster? It's historically been a very good
thing for the people in the country. It's the worker that gets
exploited. But if someone is going out of their way that much so that
they can become exploited, I say let 'em!

John C TX

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Aug 26, 2010, 4:24:47 PM8/26/10
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On Aug 26, 2:54 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> John C TX wrote:
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >> Hoover had a Mexican Repatriation program....that didn't work either...he
> >> kept finding folks whose families had been here since the 1600's
>
> > Didn't they send back 3MM people in the 30's & successfully close the
> > border even before the war?
>
> > I think the GOP is screwing the pooch on this one --as are the Dems.
> > This issue  should be framed to address two issues:
>
> > 1. We need immigrants.
> > 2. Let immigrants in that wish to be an American.
>
> > This problem is easily solved but the left wants voters and the GOP
> > wants coolie wages.  Close the border for one year to everyone and see
> > what we need.  Then implement a national identity card.  In many
> > (most?) states  you are required to carry ID so why is this such a
> > problem?
>
> 4th amendment.  Wouldn't pass SCOTUS if national ID ended up being
> required documentation to carry with you.  Instead, they should just
> start issuing social security cards that are a lot harder to forge.
> Similar in principle, but it wouldn't require that you carry, and it
> also wouldn't require new policy (with probably a new government agency
> and task force and training and computers to go along with it).

I am not Clarence Thomas so I can ask a question.

:)

As often, maybe I wasn't clear. I don't see where having national ID
for employment is any different than the current law where you have to
show proof of citizenship or two forms of proof.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf

page 5


>
> After that, fix the 3yr wait on green cards and many of the issues with
> illegal immigration are all but solved.
>
> >  Come up with hard quotas for skilled & unskilled workers but
> > if they come in they have to have an avenue to citizenship. the idea
> > that someone can come here & break their back picking broccoli & never
> > become an American is a recipe for disaster.  
>
> Why is it a recipe for disaster?  It's historically been a very good
> thing for the people in the country.  It's the worker that gets
> exploited.  But if someone is going out of their way that much so that
> they can become exploited, I say let 'em!

You libertarians

:)

This is a new phenomenon in American history. The old days you got off
the boat & went to work.

MZ

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Aug 26, 2010, 4:45:25 PM8/26/10
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Oh, I thought you were referring to being forced to carry your papers.


>
> page 5
>> After that, fix the 3yr wait on green cards and many of the issues with
>> illegal immigration are all but solved.
>>
>>> Come up with hard quotas for skilled & unskilled workers but
>>> if they come in they have to have an avenue to citizenship. the idea
>>> that someone can come here & break their back picking broccoli & never
>>> become an American is a recipe for disaster.
>> Why is it a recipe for disaster? It's historically been a very good
>> thing for the people in the country. It's the worker that gets
>> exploited. But if someone is going out of their way that much so that
>> they can become exploited, I say let 'em!
>
> You libertarians
>
> :)
>
> This is a new phenomenon in American history. The old days you got off
> the boat & went to work.

...and were still exploited.

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papa.carl44

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"John C TX" <johnc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> X-No-Archive: Yes

>
>> Hoover had a Mexican Repatriation program....that didn't work either...he
>> kept finding folks whose families had been here since the 1600's
>
> Didn't they send back 3MM people in the 30's & successfully close the
> border even before the war?
>
> I think the GOP is screwing the pooch on this one --as are the Dems.
> This issue should be framed to address two issues:
>
> 1. We need immigrants.
> 2. Let immigrants in that wish to be an American.
>
> This problem is easily solved but the left wants voters and the GOP
> wants coolie wages. Close the border for one year to everyone and see
> what we need. Then implement a national identity card. In many
> (most?) states you are required to carry ID so why is this such a
> problem? Come up with hard quotas for skilled & unskilled workers but

> if they come in they have to have an avenue to citizenship. the idea
> that someone can come here & break their back picking broccoli & never
> become an American is a recipe for disaster. If we set the bar too
> low the worst happens is that the working poor may get a raise or some
> suburban brat may have to mow a lawn.
>
> The post WWII immigration reform is right up there with post-Watergate
> reform and Reagan-O'Neill's screwing of the middle class.

John...if they see this they will take away your Elephant badge ! I agree,
especially this idea of having "stateless" people here.
>


MZ

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Aug 27, 2010, 12:40:15 AM8/27/10
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buRford wrote:
> It's different now, Mark.
> Just one instance, there was manufacturing done here. There was an educated middle class.
> I had a great public education, a system that worked, but no longer does. What killed it?
> An educated electorate is the enemy of THIS state. Wasn't in the past. You always had
> some yahoo ignorants voting against their interests... now it's an epidemic.

For as long as there have been people, there have been stupid people. I
think you're giving the peasantry from 100 years ago too much credit
(and that's what they were...peasantry. The "middle class" of
yesteryear was quite poor). Schooling was very hard to come by
throughout most of the country, and though it's true that people were
still pretty highly educated, I don't think they were politically or
philosophically well-informed. Look at the crazy shit they voted for
and the ridiculous customs and rituals they engaged in.

John C TX

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Aug 27, 2010, 9:39:41 AM8/27/10
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For the large part, absolutely, what I was referring to were the
migrant workers who are short term workers. If you come here you
should have the hope of being American.

John C TX

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Aug 27, 2010, 9:45:23 AM8/27/10
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> John...if they see this they will take away your Elephant badge !  I agree,
> especially this idea of having "stateless" people here.
>
>

LOL, I annoy everybody not just the left.

They would yank my badge when I started talking about capital
punishment & gun control.

John C TX

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Aug 27, 2010, 9:48:27 AM8/27/10
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>Look at the crazy shit they voted for
> and the ridiculous customs and rituals they engaged in.

Like watching pro football?

:)

Michael

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Aug 27, 2010, 10:56:35 AM8/27/10
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On Aug 27, 12:40 am, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:

> For as long as there have been people, there have been stupid people.  I
> think you're giving the peasantry from 100 years ago too much credit
> (and that's what they were...peasantry.  The "middle class" of
> yesteryear was quite poor).  Schooling was very hard to come by
> throughout most of the country, and though it's true that people were
> still pretty highly educated, I don't think they were politically or
> philosophically well-informed.  Look at the crazy shit they voted for
> and the ridiculous customs and rituals they engaged in.

Mark... There are always stupid people and smart people. The key is
the nature of the system. Consider the differences between the Roman
Republic and the late Imperial period. Stupid people in both systems,
no ??? Same deal with America. A big difference between the true
American republic and what ever you want to call what it has become
now. IMHO, the shape that the fed gov took after the reconstruction
was the watershed. It was the end of what was actually a republic.


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