Roster
John C TX
roster shakes out.
3 QB's
3 TB's -- if they risk leaving Woddhead out there to bring him back to
the practice squad
? FB -- We can't afford the luxury of two so is Richardson is done?
?TE -- We should have never released Joel Dreesen. A long snapper who
can actually play TE. Keller & ???
? OL -- this will have to be 8
6 WR -- Holmes, Cotchery, Edwards, Smith, Clowney, Henry -- Coles gets
cut?
Hammer
> I have been scratching my head-- shut up Johnny-- and wonder how this
> roster shakes out.
>
> 3 QB's
> 3 TB's -- if they risk leaving Woddhead out there to bring him back to
> the practice squad
> ? FB -- We can't afford the luxury of two so is Richardson is done?
Apparently Rex has said that both Richardson and Conner will make the
team.
> ?TE -- We should have never released Joel Dreesen. A long snapper who
> can actually play TE. Keller & ???
> ? OL -- this will have to be 8
> 6 WR -- Holmes, Cotchery, Edwards, Smith, Clowney, Henry -- Coles gets
> cut?
I don't think Holmes counts toward the roster for the first 4 games -
not sure about that though.
MZ
> those 4 games, and he said he plans to retire from football when Holmes
> returns. He signed because he wants to retire as a Jet.
Maybe he doesn't even make it that far though? Where has he been on the
depth chart this preseason?
Johnny Morongo
I REALLY like that you've kept Henry. DO you have any indication that
the coaches think he'll stick?
Harlan Lachman
<f0d3dec7-6421-4ae2...@q2g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>,
John, FWIW, here is Cimini's take.
I think he is unfortunately right about the Qbs (I think it should be
Sanchez, Smith as a pain in the ass response to crisis and based on
preseason, Kellen as a long term back up when the element of surprise is
gone.
I think he is right about RB (and the bubble guys are irrelevant and
won't make up for the others getting hurt)
The other problem for me is CB. How this team could keep both Coleman
and Cole on the roster is beyond me. Keep brain because we don't know
what we cannot do.
Harlan
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With a little help from the "Hard Knocks" cameras, we obtained some
insight into the New York Jets' projected 53-man roster. The latest
episode in GM Mike Tannenbaum's office shows a white board that includes
the depth chart, with some clues about potential roster moves.
Tannenbaum tells Rex Ryan the current plan is to have 25 players on
offense, 23 on defense and three specialists, with two wild-card jobs
(presumably, special teams) up for grabs. Specifically, we learn they're
planning to keep three quarterbacks, five running backs, five wide
receivers, four tight ends, eight offensive linemen, six defensive
linemen, four outside linebackers, four inside linebackers, five
cornerbacks, four safeties, three specialists and two wild cards.
Here's our breakdown, position by position:
QUARTERBACK
Locks: Mark Sanchez, Mark Brunell
Bubble: Kellen Clemens, Kevin O'Connell
Comment: Clemens has an 'X' next to his name on Tannenbaum's depth
chart, which doesn't bode well for him. As previously reported, the Jets
are looking to trade Clemens. If not, he could get cut. They probably
just ruined any trade leverage.
RUNNING BACK
Locks: LaDainian Tomlinson, Shonn Greene, Tony Richardson, John Conner,
Joe McKnight
Bubble: Jason Davis, Danny Woodhead, Chauncey Washington.
Comment: The bubble boys are worthy of a wild-card spot. This will be a
tough cut. Washington really helped his chances in Carolina.
WIDE RECEIVER
Locks: Jerricho Cotchery, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes (suspended
four games), Brad Smith.
Bubble: Laveranues Coles, David Clowney, Larry Taylor, Marcus Henry.
Comment: Clowney got roughed up by the coaches in the latest episode;
not looking good for the Clown. Special teams coach Mike Westhoff has a
soft spot for Taylor, but he could be a tough keep. Coles looks like the
frontrunner for the fifth spot.
TIGHT END
Locks: Dustin Keller, Ben Hartsock.
Bubble: Matt Mulligan, Jeff Cumberland
Comment: It looks like all four could make it. The coaches really like
Cumberland, a rookie free agent. They could always bring in an outside
if they like someone on the waiver wire.
OFFENSIVE LINE
Locks: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Matt Slauson, Nick Mangold, Brandon Moore,
Damien Woody, Vladimir Ducasse, Rob Turner, Wayne Hunter.
Bubble: Dan Gay, Robby Felix.
Comment: This looks pretty cut and dried.
DEFENSIVE LINE
Locks: Kris Jenkins, Shaun Ellis, Sione Pouha, Mike DeVito, Vernon
Gholston.
Bubble: Rod Wright, Matt Kroul, Martin Tevaseu.
Comment: Ropati Pitoitua would've been the sixth guy, but he blew out
his Achilles' in Carolina. The depth here is a concern; the sixth guy
might not be here yet.
OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
Locks: Calvin Pace, Bryan Thomas, Jason Taylor, Jamaal Westerman.
Bubble: Cory Reamer.
Comment: Another cut-and-dried position.
INSIDE LINEBACKER
Locks: David Harris, Bart Scott.
Bubble: Kenwin Cummings, Lance Laury, Brashton Satele, Josh Mauga
Comment: Depth is a major concern. Cummings and Laury are looking good,
but they're not locks.
CORNERBACK
Locks: Darrelle Revis (if he shows), Antonio Cromartie, Kyle Wilson,
Drew Coleman, Dwight Lowery.
Bubble: Marquice Cole, Brian Jackson.
Comment: Cole probably makes it if Revis doesn't report by the opener.
In case you've been on Mars, he's holding out.
SAFETY
Locks: Jim Leonhard, Brodney Pool, Eric Smith, James Ihedigbo
Bubble: Don Warren.
Comment: Looks like a no-brainer.
SPECIALISTS
Locks: Nick Folk (PK), Steve Weatherford (P).
Bubble: Tanner Purdum (LS).
Comment: Purdum is close to a lock, but we're going to let him sweat it
out.
papa.carl44
"graybeard" <gray...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:30:31 -0700 (PDT) John C TX
> <johnc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I have been scratching my head-- shut up Johnny-- and wonder how this
>>roster shakes out.
>>
>>3 QB's
>
>
>>?TE -- We should have never released Joel Dreesen. A long snapper who
>>can actually play TE. Keller & ???
>
>
>>6 WR -- Holmes, Cotchery, Edwards, Smith, Clowney, Henry -- Coles gets
>>cut?
>
> to say about it.
> --
> graybeard
Clowney looks like a guy who has a lot of what is called concentration
issues with football...that means he can look great at times...and then just
go to sleep, not perform. I don't think a lot of folks understand how hard
it is to stay "turned on" all the time...THAT is what makes a pro a pro.
papa.carl44
"buRford" <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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And Clemens gets traded...they need to get some "good football players" in
the reserve spots...they can't do that unless they trade a guy who looked
good in preseason to somebody who needs a good backup QB. That quote is
from Rex.
Harlan Lachman
buRford <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:30:31 -0700 (PDT), John C TX <johnc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Clowney gets cut.
From your fingers to Rex and Tanny's red pen. I would just love Drew
Coleman to get his walking papers too. But not Clemens.
H
CaptMyng
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:15:36 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> O'Donnell has nothing, & Brunnell is toast.
> At this point, I'd be surprised if they trade Clemens.
If they get down to O'Donnell they are better of playing for the draft
slot.
papa.carl44
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:15:36 -0400, "papa.carl44"
> backup.
> O'Donnell has nothing, & Brunnell is toast.
> At this point, I'd be surprised if they trade Clemens.
OK...who can they trade for value...fill some definite weak spots and not
create another one...I just don't see this team as strong as the media
pundits do, having a bunch of stars, especially in skill positions does not
always translate into a team that actually plays well together. Then again,
the biggest weakness just may be the QB they are committed to.
Johnny Morongo
wrote:
<snip>
> Then again,the biggest weakness just may be the QB they are committed to.
It sure looks that way at the moment, Carl. In spite of having
learned the playbook so much better, he doesn't seem to have matured
in the position. Consequently, if he succumbs to the dreaded
"sophomore slump" this team is going no where this year.
papa.carl44
"Johnny Morongo" <j.mir...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
I realize Hard Knocks is what it is....a TV show and it no doubt edited to
portray certain things and the guys are also probably guarded in some
respects as to how they act...but Sanchez appears to be a "good" too much of
the time to me....and Schott reminds me of a coach I had in college...he was
an arrogant rah rah guy filled with addages, and trite sayings. The guy was
always telling us to do something that we all felt wasted time, filling out
his little charts and trying to motivate us. This was way back in the mid
60's....one day in the weight room he was trying to bench...bit off more
than he could chew and we left him that way for a while, I loved it. It's
just the same attitude that Schott has. I like coaches who are either pure
teachers, technicians or guys who already did it and earned their cred that
way. But Sanchez needs a mature guiding figure around him. OMHO. Papa
Carl
Johnny Morongo
wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" <j.mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
Brunell? I haven't seen Sanchez look "cool headed" very often this
pre-season. He did have that look in the post-season run, but it's
largely not there to date. If anything that an "older, wiser" hand
such as Brunell should be imparting to junior, it strikes me that that
should be number one with a bullet. I think jr. has shown that he
doesn't make good decisions under pressure (few do). And this *may*
get better as he matures, but the fact is that the O-line has not been
preforming nearly as well as it did last year either.
Could the loss of Faneca mean that much? And I'd trade McKnight for
Leon in a heartbeat, of course now, and the jury's still out, IMO,
about the 20 for 21 swap. And we still have a half lame OC. Should I
begin to worry? Unless this D is the reincarnation of the '85 Bears',
we may be fuckayvooed.
Didn't I just yesterday say we'd win the division? Is it clarity
that's creeping in or is it just another dose of the SOJ?
Not trying to start anything here, but, Tannenbaum...
Johnny Morongo
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:14:15 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> >news:bevh76liilf58mre3...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:15:36 -0400, "papa.carl44"
>
> >>>"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
> And yes, the QB is a big concern... always has been for me, and that goes beyond his
> inexperience & youth. His arm has always concerned me, and even though he can bounce back
> from adversity, he sulks a lot.
> And then there's the depth, and OC.
There you go again, jumping on Micheal's bandwagon. Keep this up and
you'll get Tut mad, not to mention the spasms you'll send the Houston
bald ejit into.
papa.carl44
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:14:15 -0400, "papa.carl44"
> And yes, the QB is a big concern... always has been for me, and that goes
> beyond his
> inexperience & youth. His arm has always concerned me, and even though he
> can bounce back
> from adversity, he sulks a lot.
> And then there's the depth, and OC.
ONLY..from watching Hard Knocks and supplementing that by the news clips and
stuff in the media, Sanchez looks like he sulks, likes to mask it by goofing
around and is not in that clear "game face" position....he talks but what
does he do....he does not have a mentor around...it is not Schott, I'm
convinced of that....an older, wiser, stable coach who can TEACH would do
Mark a lot of good.
papa.carl44
>
> Funny, I've never been as down on Clemens as most others.
> I think he's a lot tougher than Sanchez.
> He started out ok, then got beaten to smithereens the Kendall year.
> And since, has kinda gotten beaten down by management.
> Not to mention the Favre misadventure, and drafting Sanchez.
I have really felt that in general you can take a really good player, and he
can get caught in certain situations that destroy him. Clemens could be one
of those...he never got a chance. The times he got to play were always
"desperation" times....the Favre deal was flat out beyond stupid. Who knows
what Kellen could be if he was ever really "groomed"....I really believe
that all a player needs some times is to have a few bad things happen, and
some coach or press to start ripping him and it takes off....the player
knows what is going on, and feels the pressure from within and from the
staff that matters to him. From that moment it is never a supportive
development role...and that is what "coaching" is supposed to mean. The
buffoons who think they know the game and think it's wise to go out and kick
some ass and force a guy to be good just don't get results. Yeah, be tough,
be honest...but feakin coach! I'll bet Clemens never got into a situation
where he ever felt comfortable. Maybe now, even he can see that Sanchez is
not what they thought he was and he sees little of the old "desperation"
pressure on him...so he is playing much better. OMHO...Papa Carl
MZ
I agree with the concept, but I find it VERY telling how reluctant they
always were in putting him in the game. He sat on the bench a while.
Then, when Pennington was struggling in his last year in NY, they waited
forever until finally giving Clemens a shot. Then the next year rather
than go with Clemens they brought in Favre. Then the year after that,
rather than go with Clemens they drafted Sanchez.
It seems like they've felt all along that Clemens wasn't the guy. I
assume they see something from him in practice or in the classroom over
these years that haven't given the TWO coaching staffs that have coached
him much confidence.
In short, my suspicion is that he just sucks.
papa.carl44
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
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Could be...but then why did they keep him? I think it is more of a
situation I've seen first hand way too many times, these guys are extremely
worried about how the are perceived a lot of times...I suspect that when
they drafted Clemens they got a lot of criticism because it was just cool to
do...look at some of the talking heads they let report on this stuff, it's a
joke. Bernie Kornheiser knows anything about football????? It happens
with picks other than the obvious and the totally obscure...somebody knows a
little about the guy, and it can go all the way back to high school...this
is not a long body of work that is being examined. So, somebody gets
cautious only to preserve what might be said about them and a player gets
screwed. How they are dealt with is critical to how they perform. That
just is...and I don't want to hear somebody say "they are pros...yada yada
yada" Those saying that did not come out of college and hit the bricks at
full speed in their professions...they developed into it and usually with a
lot of guidance...and COACHING. So..you may be totally right...but I have
to wonder why they just didn't get rid of him then?
John C TX
Obviously not, based on Henry getting cut.
John C TX
> In short, my suspicion is that he just sucks.
As bad as he may be, he is so much better than Brunell is in the pre-
season. Seeing as Brunell sat tight waiting for the Jets makes me
think they promised him a spot. If they didn't this is a possibility.
Brunell gets cut and they keep Clemens. I imagine that Ratliff gets
cut in Cleveland. Ratliff know the offense & at least showed to be
better than O'Connell.
papa.carl44
"graybeard" <gray...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:48:36 -0400 "papa.carl44"
> <papad...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
>>>
>>> assume they see something from him in practice or in the classroom over
>>> these years that haven't given the TWO coaching staffs that have coached
>>> him much confidence.
>>>
>>> In short, my suspicion is that he just sucks.
>>
>>Could be...but then why did they keep him?
>
> live arm, and nobody can afford to keep an All-Pro around as second
> string QB. With most teams, if you lose your first QB for an extended
> period of time your season is shot anyway, so you make do with a second
> QB who is relatively inexpensive and who you hope can hold the fort if
> the first QB is only out a couple of games. Anything more you get out of
> him is a bonus.
> --
> graybeard
Ah, that was my point to Mark...we agree then...he may have issues now, but
he didn't "suck"...but I still think history would tell us some second
string QB's have done quite well. I think Clemens was mishandled from the
get go...the only point I'm trying to make is I think that can ruin a guy.
He looks a lot better this season I think.
MZ
You could be right. Look how long it took Brees to become what he was.
Even Vince Young appears to actually be able to play now (though maybe
not well...).
BUT ... I'm not going to put that much stock in preseason performances.
The proof will be in the pudding. Do the coaches feel good enough
about him to go into battle with him as the primary backup? It's a new
atmosphere. I'm confident that Rex will be able to reverse some of the
damage from the Mangini era.
papa.carl44
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
Good point. Well taken...do they really have a "good" backup...for that
matter, do they really have a good starter?
papa.carl44
> much daylight,
> between him & Sanchez, as the Media tries to make it.
> Even with Pennington... he was this gung ho guy, out of college.
> As he *developed* under the Preacher, he became tentative in his play.
> Then the injuries.
> All the years of *any series that ends in a kick, is a good one,* took its
> toll in Chad's
> head ;)
YES.....and what happens to a player makes a huge difference in his
future....a Johnny Unitas coming off a sandlot has a better chance than a
guy being messed with with by some "genius"....coaching matters..not just
the HC...position coaches.....and they have to be able to teach...not just
motivate.