More proof that Schott is a football half-wit.
Michael
commentator mention this little bit of info...
What kind of QB is Sanchez ??? What is his strength ??? What sort of
QB has a two year QB not become just yet ??? Where might such a young
QB struggle ???
We have ALL seen that Sanchez is at his best when he can cash in on
his great strength.... His mobility.
We have ALL seen Sanchez at his best when the offense is allowed to
flow... Where he gets into his groove...
We have also ALL seen Sanchez have his problems with his reads where
he gets confused, lets the ball go late and gets into a funk. This
would be a typical problem of any inexperienced QB no matter how
fantastic their skill set what.
So... What does Shotty do ???
Lots of garbage motion at the LOS intended to make the defense "show
their hand" while Sanchez sits there and waits to the last second to
snap the ball... As if Sanchez had Peyton Mannig's experience...
What Schotty should be doing is running an offense that allows Sanchez
to simply... play football... Get his feet involved in the game.
Force the defense to have to cover the entire width of the field.
Loosen it up.... Let him make plays on the move...
Instead... Schotty would rather stuff a square peg in a round hole.
What a brilliant OC we have.
I am actually going to write a letter next season to the ticket office
respectfully explaining my reason for canceling tickets that have been
in my family since the early 70's. I don't buy garbage products.
To you guys defending Schott... Or... more to the point... The ones
that are beginning to bastardize their defense of that charlatan.
Please don't take this as a personal assault. I'm not saying you are
no good... Just Schotty...
Remember... If all the jets had was just a smidgeon of offensive
ability at their OC position, they win Ravens, GB and Miami and no one
is pointing to us as a laughing stock.
This guy is worse that Paul Hacket by a good deal. Hacket was
conservative... Shotty is blatantly incompetent.
JKConey
"Michael" <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Yup. So why doesn't the head coach see any of this?
--
Tutor
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Schotty play could cost Jets OC his job-ESPN
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FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The franchise quarterback was in danger of being
benched, the offensive line allowed six sacks Sunday, the
underperforming three starting wideouts and tight end are the best
combination of weapons the New York Jets have had in at least a
decade, and the running back combination of LaDainian Tomlinson and
Shonn Greene should be good enough to get things done, if used as a
tag team.
All of which makes you wonder if Jets offensive coordinator Brian
Schottenheimer isn't working to keep his job these last three weeks of
the regular season if the team's offense doesn't turn around soon.
The Jets' two-game losing streak -- a 45-3 meltdown against New
England, and now the slapstick offense they ran in the rain during
their 10-6 loss to division-rival Miami on Sunday -- isn't the only
reason that Schottenheimer should be on notice with the Jets staring
at a season-closing stretch of games that takes them to Pittsburgh and
Chicago the next two weeks to play two of the best, most physically
punishing defenses in the league.
What's been more disturbing is the way the overall season has taken
shape.
Brian Schottenheimer better shape up the offense -- or he might be
shipped out of New York.
When Rex Ryan ticked off all that's wrong with the Jets' offense right
now, he mentioned quarterback Mark Sanchez, the offensive line, the
wideouts, the running game and the overall execution of plays.
"Other than that, we're fine," Ryan said. And for once, he wasn't
joking.
The mood at the Jets' complex was funereal on Monday. Not defiant, not
indomitable.
"I think we're confident, but you know, we're not blind either," Ryan
said. "We see the tape, and we can't beat a good football team if we
play like that. The defense had a terrific game [Sunday], but
offensively, you're not going to beat anybody if you make the kind of
mistakes we made.
"I look at it and, I mean, we have the talent to play better. I know
we do. We have the talent on our coaching staff to get this thing
taught better."
Ryan eventually said Schottenheimer "does a heckuva job" when asked
directly about his offensive coordinator's job performance. But it
felt like lip service.
Ryan was concerned enough about the offense to sit down Monday and
look at tape of the running game. He had to see for himself why
Miami's tacklers were "running free" to tackle the Jets' running
backs, who averaged only 2.8 yards a try. For weeks now, he's held
Friday meetings with Sanchez and Schottenheimer, chiming in on what he
sees.
The hard truth lately isn't pretty. The Jets haven't scored a
touchdown in any of their four losses this year. Even in some of the
games they've won, they haven't moved the ball well. Turnovers have
been a problem. They haven't had a touchdown drive in the opening
quarter for nine straight games, and they've often relied on last-
minute offensive miracles to escape. Still, their pat answer -- even
Monday -- is it's all fixable.
A fix any time now would be good.
It's impossible to contend anymore that the New England loss didn't
shake this Jets team to its core. They had a chance to make a
statement against Miami on Sunday. Instead, Ryan admittedly thought of
benching Sanchez during his scatter-shot 17-for-44 performance. And
when the Jets' offensive players dragged themselves into the locker
room, it was disturbing to hear the words they chose to describe what
had happened:
"A huge shock," said veteran guard Brandon Moore.
"Confusing," said Dustin Keller.
"Horrible," said center Nick Mangold.
Sanchez felt things were dire enough to address the offense as a whole
Monday, and urge everyone to "lean on each other."
Even 13 games into this season, it's still hard to say what the Jets'
offense is -- beyond simply talented. They say they want to be an all-
weather, ground-and-pound team. But they're not. On Sunday, they ran a
doomed Wildcat option play instead on fourth-and-2 and threw the ball
nearly 50 times in a rain-slicked game in which they needed only a
touchdown to tie or win right down to their last play. They say they
have weapons at every skill position, but they haven't been able to
integrate or exploit them all in any consistently effective way.
A lot of that has to fall on Schottenheimer, not just his second-year
quarterback.
Ryan would never admit Schottenheimer -- a holdover from the Eric
Mangini regime, remember -- is in jeopardy. Not with so much left to
play for this season. But the cries that Schottenheimer's play-calling
is too predictable won't go away when the Jets go out and run the ball
on 19 of their 26 first-down plays Sunday. And Ryan admitted Monday
that telling Sanchez to spike the ball and waste a down with more than
a minute still left against Miami was bad time management.
Schottenheimer's close relationship with Sanchez will certainly help
him in any eventual deliberations about whether he stays or goes.
But this is the hard truth too: The Jets' franchise has hitched itself
to Sanchez. This team goes as Sanchez goes. His development is the
most important on-field issue the team has.
If Sanchez keeps regressing like he has the past few weeks -- earning
what Ryan called "a blunt force trauma" evaluation from him Monday --
even the perception that Sanchez's development has stalled could get
Schottenheimer fired.
"Could get fired" hasn't turned to "should get fired." Yet.
But it's fair to start wondering.
The Steelers aren't the sort of team you expect any offense to get fat
and happy against. Especially in Pittsburgh. The Steelers' blitzes are
relentless. Their defenders hit like they want to see opponents'
molars skittering across the turf.
Considering the Dolphins left town with three or four players openly
mocking the Jets' toughness -- "We're not going to call them front-
runners," Miami wideout Brandon Marshall said, "but we noticed that
when you get out and score fast, hit them in the mouth fast, they tend
to be the ones getting off the ground second" -- how might the
Steelers try to beat up the Jets? And then the Bears in Chicago after
that?
It could get ugly for Sanchez and the Jets' offense before it gets
better.
Schottenheimer better hope not.
For his own sake.
Michael
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About time they started writing Shotty up. Three years late is better
than never. I was beginning to wonder what the hell was taking so
long. A ray of hope. If they can his ass it will make me VERY happy
and it will make the Jets a much better team with one swift stroke...
Get his ass outa there now.
papa.carl44
But Michael, don't forget that some of us who said this a while back are
just cowards and agitators...God forbid somebody sees what is really
happening. They have a freakin mountain to climb to even have a chance the
next two weeks.
Michael
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papa... you are going to begin to see people bastardizing their
defense of this guy... one by one... they wont can him this season,
but if my guess is correct, shotty is now going to be silently
religated to figure head status for the rest of this season while the
offense is run by others. they will speak all sunshine and roses
about him and send him off with a good referance next season. it is
like i said... schotty is woody's guy... was i mean... woody is not a
perfect football man, but he does not want to be made a laughing stock
of... that drive is much stronger than the one he has not to admit he
keep a guy that had him hoodwinked into thinking he was very capable.
i also got some news for the jet fans pointing to rex for all the
garbage clock management. rex is taking the rap for himself, but that
was all schotty...
papa.carl44
Some folks don't like to remember the history Rex's Dad had in the
game...his wars with Ditka and all that followed. Buddy had a tendency to
put all his focus on the defense too. Rex may have to do some serious
growing up as a complete coach. BB would be the guy to use as a model in
that. I don't like BB, but he has become a complete coach and not just a HC
who runs the D and has people around him to run the O. He saw a trend and
jumped on something mid season to make changes. I honestly think what he
pulled off in NE was brilliant, completely regearing the O mid
season.....all the years I was around the game, one phrase I always heard
was "you've gotta make adjustments".....Rex needs to make some big
adjustments...and that is precisely what Schott is incapable of doing
apparently.
Michael
> I'll be happy when Schott goes, and I don't think it would be possible to bring anyone
> worse in, unless they hired John C ;)
>
> But, who Rex brings in is big. In view of what seems to be his managing style, he needs
> to bring in a guy with a solid resume - - someone who can take over the mess, and quickly
> turn it into something coherent.
if i am any judge of things... schotty wont get canned this season...
rex and management will continue to pay him lip service and will kiss
him off at the end of this season with a stellar referance... still...
i'm guessing things are being taken out of shotty's hands now even as
we type and read here. i'd also expect that rex will have a big part
in who gets the job next. i cant tell you who it will be, but i'm
sure they will go with a guy that has proven ability and is able to
"run the big machine" so to speak. given when the jet offense just
did to their season these past weeks, NO WAY are they going to turn it
over to anyone that does not have a bunch of pelts on the wall.
Harlan Lachman
<0f75b146-1aca-481b...@j3g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote:
If they don't let him go now, they won't force him out at the end of the
season.
Harlan
Michael
> In article
> <0f75b146-1aca-481b-82e9-22320fb4d...@j3g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
how come ???
cd
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:38:55 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I'll be happy when Schott goes, and I don't think it would be possible to bring anyone
> worse in, unless they hired John C ;)
>
> But, who Rex brings in is big. In view of what seems to be his managing style, he needs
> to bring in a guy with a solid resume - - someone who can take over the mess, and quickly
> turn it into something coherent.
I think it is as simple as Bill Callahan, think he took a Raider team
to the SB. Even now, only tweak of the offense is enough and Callahan
knows the current playbook better than Schottenheimer.
Grinch
>...
> Remember... If all the jets had was just a smidgeon of offensive
> is pointing to us as a laughing stock.
>
Fixed it for you. :-)
Grinch
"One swift stroke" ... it's so easy ... the dream is so beautiful....
> > >Get his ass outa there now.
>
> > With one caveat... who does Rex bring in?
> > I'll be happy when Schott goes, and I don't think it would be possible to bring anyone
> > worse in, unless they hired John C ;)
>
> > But, who Rex brings in is big. In view of what seems to be his managing style, he needs
> > to bring in a guy with a solid resume - - someone who can take over the mess, and quickly
> > turn it into something coherent.
>
> I think it is as simple as Bill Callahan, think he took a Raider team
> to the SB. Even now, only tweak of the offense is enough and Callahan
> knows the current playbook better than Schottenheimer.
This is the same Callahan who so helped Sanchez in the Mia game by
having his O-line give up six sacks to the mighty Fins D.
I'd say he has his own mess to clean up.
Oh, wait -- the OL is Schott's fault! :-)
Michael
and if not for some amazing qb play, the jets lose cleveland, detroit
and houston...
Michael
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:40:28 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >About time they started writing Shotty up. Three years late is better
> >> >than never. I was beginning to wonder what the hell was taking so
> >> >long. A ray of hope. If they can his ass it will make me VERY happy
> >> >and it will make the Jets a much better team with one swift stroke...
> >> >Get his ass outa there now.
>
> >> With one caveat... who does Rex bring in?
> >> I'll be happy when Schott goes, and I don't think it would be possible to bring anyone
> >> worse in, unless they hired John C ;)
>
> >> But, who Rex brings in is big. In view of what seems to be his managing style, he needs
> >> to bring in a guy with a solid resume - - someone who can take over the mess, and quickly
> >> turn it into something coherent.
>
> >if i am any judge of things... schotty wont get canned this season...
> >rex and management will continue to pay him lip service and will kiss
> >him off at the end of this season with a stellar referance... still...
> >i'm guessing things are being taken out of shotty's hands now even as
> >we type and read here. i'd also expect that rex will have a big part
> >in who gets the job next. i cant tell you who it will be, but i'm
> >sure they will go with a guy that has proven ability and is able to
> >"run the big machine" so to speak. given when the jet offense just
> >did to their season these past weeks, NO WAY are they going to turn it
> >over to anyone that does not have a bunch of pelts on the wall.
>
> Schott, as is obvious to anyone with any bit of objectivity, eyes & ears.
> This is specifically for Tut & John C, who too often make statements, on this, based on
> what they think, rather than actual statements & actions by those involved.
>
> From Schott's presser today, when asked about the spike play...
>
> "We made the first down. We had a bunch of guys deep down the field. We had vertical route
> on. We made the first down and I called in for Mark to spike it and he spiked it.
> Obviously, it would be nice to have that down. Rex explained to me his thoughts. I don t
> disagree with him. I think that s the general philosophy we have. Inside a minute, you
> always try to spike it when you have no timeouts left, but in that situation, with how
> deep everybody was down the field, I thought it gave us the best chance to get everybody
> back and get to the play that we wanted. We had quite a ways to go, so we were going to
> get more into chunk plays or aggressive plays."
>
> *****************
> And this is what is on Rex... he lets Schott make these decisions... then questions them
> after. Just like the benching of Shonn in game one, and numerous other instances this
> season.
> If Rex isn't going to get more involved with the O, then he needs a competent OC, or he'll
> be having a short HCing career.
> ****************
>
> On if Coach Ryan is the kind of coach that gets on you for a couple of bad performances:
>
> "No, Rex is great. Rex looks for solutions. Like I always say, we always want to keep Rex
> out of the meeting room. Monday morning, first thing, he was in there bright and early
> with us. I don t take offense to it. I recognize what we re doing is not good enough and
> he never points the finger. He s just in there (saying), "How can I help? Show me this
> again. Let me see what I can see. Why s that guy unblocked in the running game? Hey, what
> do we think about this?" He just gives it a different perspective, but Rex is great to
> work with. He and I, we work really well together."
>
> ***************
> Schott is saying that Rex only gets involved when there are problems. He doesn't want Rex
> around.
> Good to see Rex at the meeting, but why only now?
> Again... this illustrates that Rex hasn't been involved, and the O is Schott's baby.- Hide quoted text -
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obviously... not a qualified statement on my part... but two things
come into play here... depending on how you look at it, rex may or
may not be to blame for shotty...
first off, lets agree that schotty can not do the job... as he has
proven... clearly...
does rex knowingly and willfully push the offense off on to schotty so
rex can put all his attention into being the jets defensive
coordinator and not the HC ??? perhaps preferring to keep his blinders
on ??? having almost contempt for the part of the game we call
*offense* ??? with all of this, rex still having the juice to remove
schotty at any time and rex not making the needed changes because he's
blind ???
or...
as it has been suggested... for political reasons, is rex stuck with
schotty ???
or...
perhaps a bit of both ??? rex may not care so much about the offense
as he does the defense and the political inertia in favor of schotty
makes rex even less inclined to make a visible move to get him out...
papa.carl44
"Grinch" <oldn...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Grinch or Old Nasty...you really aren't interested in dialogue or discussion
are you? It's all about starting an argument, revving it up right? Does it
make you feel good? Why don't you just give supportive reasons for what the
current OC has done well?
papa.carl44
Amen....all him. The same guy who took the Jets to the playoffs the same
year Pennington took the Fins there...but Pennington had a real OC to help
him for a change.
Grinch
wrote:
> "Grinch" <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Sheeesh. I suggest that Callahan may not be such an obvious choice
for OC considering his O-Line just gave up six sacks (and one might
add he was fired ignominiously from his last two jobs where he crashed
and burned) -- and you claim I have some sort of moral obligation to
defend Schott?
Why? Why can't I just question Callahan on his own merits?
You guys are so obsessed with Schott that whenever anyone suggests
there might actually be some other real problem on the team, you just
come back Schott! Schott! Schott!
With self-righteousness!
Get over it.
Grinch
wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ba76495c-c01f-4457...@fm22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 7:23 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 14, 11:37 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >...
> > > Remember... If all the jets had was just a smidgeon of offensive
> > > ability at their QB position, they win Ravens, GB and Miami and no one
> > > is pointing to us as a laughing stock.
>
> > Fixed it for you. :-)
>
> and if not for some amazing qb play, the jets lose cleveland, detroit
> and houston...
>
> Amen....all him.
You're not going to share any credit with the OC who called those
amazing plays? Not even a little bit?? :-(
Was the Mia game was "all him" too?
You seem a lot more willing to share credit with Schott some times
than others! :-)
papa.carl44
With self-righteousness!
Get over it.
Comeon...you're an intelligent guy...where did I even mention Schott??????
Never used his name. Tell me all of the things he has done that are so
good...not just how some other guy messed up, tell me what the OC has done
right. There is no self righteousness here, your response is even an
indicator of what I was pointing out. I'm interested in learning, tell me
all of the positive stuff he has done. I don't think Sanchez plays well, I
am not sure why all of that happens but feel like he never should have been
thrust into that position, I've agreed with you on many points. I never
claimed you had any moral obligation to defend Schott...I only wonder why
you attack me as a Schott hater, I don't hate him, you have me confused with
someone else, I don't like the way he runs the offense is all. This should
be a rational thing not some emotional flair up. Relax, lighten up....we
can discuss why the team we root for seems to fail so. Enjoy what you can
of the game. PC
papa.carl44
Hell yeah...Schott made a few exceptional play calls....he should have
gotten into that mode more often...but that execution of the play was ALL
Sanchez...I remember you taught me that it is all about the players
executing the things the OC calls. I'm just disappointed that they don't
appear to be able to execute his calls that well most of the time. My hat
is off to Schott for those calls, do wish he'd have called them earlier in
the game so it didn't have to be last minute deals. As for the Miami
game...he may have called anything, and Sanchez couldn't execute it...we
will never really know that one.
cd
> the rest. It hasn't worked out for him, so he's getting more involved with the O.
> As far as being stuck with Schott, I just think that's making things more complicated,
> than they probably are.
> Rex was hired & thought continuity on O would make his life easier.
> If he's dissatisfied with Schott, he'll fire him at the end of the season.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text
To all those that are on those that think Schott is the problem, that
was an awesome 4 and 1 call to tie the game. Even if that hadn't
worked, that is the kind of call we want, set the defense up, simple,
no shifts and jukes by players without the ball. Perfect call.
Harlan Lachman
<7b3bb478-0a2f-446a...@i18g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
cd <cd...@verizon.net> wrote:
AGreed. While I still wonder why Mulligan is on the roster much less the
intended receiver on an early second down pass play, and the third down
pass to Santonio seemed gutless to me (more problematic than the caution
at the end of the first half given the little likelihood of success),
both the call, its execution and the fact no one got called for penalty
made it a game highlight.
OBTW, those who think we should have kept Feely versus getting Jason
Taylor, I think we have to put up another check mark in the JT column.
h