Washington
Johnctx
could be some logic in tendering teh #2. Someone may sign him &
eliminate the prolem of negotiating with his inexperienced agent. Who
may quite possibly be stupid.
The Jets know who they are negotiating with & have decide to let the
market set the price. They couldn't get him to take their money last
summer. So the jets have a value in mind & if Washington comes in at
that level or lower they sign him. If not & he signs elsewhere we have
his contract to use on a FA we can want.
Washington will make $1.79 MM with the Jets. If he doesn't get paid
significantly more than that he will just come back and that is an
outcome no one has considered.
Michael
given the way all the legal/contract stuff has gone for leon, i was
also thinking that his agent is lacking in brains or experience or both
Harlan Lachman
Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
what do you mean no one? I have loved this move from the beginning for
exactly that reason.
h
Johnctx
H, I obviously need to not only take more time writing my own posts but
reading your posts as well.
:)
For a change we control the situation and if Leon has to come back then
he can't feel slighted.
Johnctx
H, after reading this I am thinking about few things:
A. Did they commit to tender him a 2nd if Washington showed up in camp &
in this way allowing him to see the market because with a #1 tender he
never sees the market?
B. The difference between a #1 & #2 is insignificant in a uncapped year
that they will sign him.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/19044/cbawatch-restricted-free-agents
2010 Free Agency
Restricted Free Agency (4 Accrued Seasons); Draft Class of 2006
Tender offer & compensation Salary
1) ROFR $1,176,000
2) ROFR & Original Draft $1,176,000 (or 110 percent of last year's
compensation)
3) ROFR & 2nd $1,759,000 (or 110 percent of last year's compensation)
4) ROFR & 1st $2,521,000 (or 110 percent of last year's compensation)
5) ROFR & 1st/3rd $3,168,000 (or 110 percent of last year's compensation)
Restricted Free Agency (5 Accrued Seasons); Draft Class of 2005
1) ROFR $1,226,000
2) ROFR & Original Draft $1,226,000 (or 110 percent of last year's
compensation)
3) ROFR & 2nd $1,809,000 (or 110 percent of last year's compensation)
4) ROFR & 1st $2,621,000 (or 110 percent of last year's compensation)
5) ROFR & 1st/3rd $3,268,000 (or 110 percent of last year's compensation)
*ROFR: Right Of First Refusal
Rich - ® ©
> In article <-6CdnT_lHd8BZgnWnZ2dnUVZ_qydn...@giganews.com>,
Unless he gets signed to a poinsen pill contract. Then the idea
sucks. Especially since we released Jones, and are not sure we will
get him back.
A contract like we gave to Curtis Martin perhaps? $4 million per
year that instantly becomes fully, 100% guaranteed if he plays 4 or
more games in New Jersey in any one year.
Or like Minnesota gave Hutchenson? $7 million per year unless he
plays 4 or more games in the state of Washinton, then the salary jumps
to $14 million per year...
Be careful what you wish for....
Rich
Johnctx
Rich, someone could throw a stupid contract at him but you can't do what
we did to the Pats or what Minnesota did to the Seahawks. If the market
is $10MM guaranteed for reserve back then we paid market and he is under
contract for several years.
Time will tell on this issue but if Tannebaum has cut deals to get guys
under contract to show up at camp. Usually I disagree --Baker-- but
anyone who has negotiated with an idiot-- my wife is well experienced at
that -- can tell you how much energy it takes & how often it is totally
wasted.
If we tendered Washington at #1 we would be dealing with hold outs & a
replay of this next year. This moron agent is the agent for Bodden.
Houston had him signed, then the Pats had him signed & now no one does.
Harlan Lachman
Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
John, I think this was all about Keels. I really think they want to make
it easy for someone to offer Leon a contract. If he doesn't get a bite,
who is Leon going to blame? The Jets. He wasn't worth a 2nd round
choice? How is Keels going to explain his move to refuse the $4-5
million while Loen gets less than $1.8. And, unless the CBA changes
things, he is still an RFA next year two.
If he gets an offer, we can match. If he signed it, then he has said
what he is worth.
There is some debate about ridiculous poison pills. The owners voted to
end the practice. It will be part of the next CBA if there is a football
league.
It is possible no owner is going to offer one and risk the ire of other
owners.
Unlike Papa, I think losing TJ because he was not willing to negotiate
downward with us but was with the Chiefs is fine. Why should we throw
away millions (if ESPN was correct, it may be as much as $3.3 million).
Maybe we lose Leon too. But I want to see how this plays out.
harlan
Johnctx
I agree on Washington but Jones was cheap insurance until we signed him.
He can still play football as well.
Harlan Lachman
Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
He signed with the Chiefs for 2.8 million, just a fraction short of half
as much as he wanted from the Jets.
I disagree. Cheap TJ would not have been.
TJ made a smart move. While he moves behind a weak OL, he will get more
carries in KC than here and maybe a second year.
H
Johnctx
H, $3MM for a starting RB that you could have traded in pre-season to
someone desperate. It looks like there is plan to use the $ on
Washington so at least unlike Martin we didn't go one season too far.
Tutor
> In article <wrqdnQMmx6ffEgrWnZ2dnUVZ_ukAA...@giganews.com>,> > > In article <Z-qdneNvzM7R5gvWnZ2dnUVZ_hGdn...@giganews.com>,> > >>> In article <-6CdnT_lHd8BZgnWnZ2dnUVZ_qydn...@giganews.com>,
> > >>> Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>
> > >>>> My first reaction was that we should have tendered him a # 1 but there
> > >>>> could be some logic in tendering teh #2. Someone may sign him &
> > >>>> eliminate the prolem of negotiating with his inexperienced agent. Who
> > >>>> may quite possibly be stupid.
>
> > >>>> The Jets know who they are negotiating with & have decide to let the
> > >>>> market set the price. They couldn't get him to take their money last
> > >>>> summer. So the jets have a value in mind & if Washington comes in at
> > >>>> that level or lower they sign him. If not & he signs elsewhere we have
> > >>>> his contract to use on a FA we can want.
>
> > >>>> Washington will make $1.79 MM with the Jets. If he doesn't get paid
> > >>>> significantly more than that he will just come back and that is an
> > >>>> outcome no one has considered.
> > >>> what do you mean no one? I have loved this move from the beginning for
> > >>> exactly that reason.
>
> > >>> h
> > >> H, after reading this I am thinking about few things:
>
> > >> A. Did they commit to tender him a 2nd if Washington showed up in camp &
> > >> in this way allowing him to see the market because with a #1 tender he
> > >> never sees the market?
>
> > >> B. The difference between a #1 & #2 is insignificant in a uncapped year
> > >> that they will sign him.
>
>
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Jamal Charles is the feature back in KC. And a good one at that. But
you are right. Here, it would have been a 3-headed attack of
Washington, Green and Jones. In KC, its just the 2.
Johnctx
If Jones is healthy he will get more carries than Jamal Charles. I think
Jones is a better RB. Charles senior year at UT he did not get the ball
when they needed the tough yards. I think he is soft.
Harlan Lachman
Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
This is getting old. Complete agreement again.
h
Johnctx
I am glad saner people than me write in here.
:)
Johnny Morongo
Ahem... Do you mean that you consider yourself sane at all? As far as
the bottom of the sanity barrel goes, you only have one competitor: ME.
Johnctx
The one eyed man in the land of the blind....