Re: So...
Michael
> I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
> I was impressed by his intelligence.
>
> Got me thinking about what the D may do.
> One thing that's pretty clear to me, is that Cro should be on a TE. He has trouble with
> smaller quick guys.
> I'm seeing some type of inside out D, where they clog the middle, and force the Pats
> outside, where the strength of the Jets 2ndary is.
> The biggest key to me, is how physical the D plays. Teams seem to get in chess matches
> with the Pats O, and invariably lose. The Jets can beat them physically, whether or not
> they can do it for 60 minutes, is the question.
>
> That's where the O comes in. It's another ball control game, and even in the blowout a
> few weeks ago, the Jets rushed pretty well in the first half... I think they had over
> 4yds/carry.
> So, will Schott do what he did last week, and give in to what the D wanted at the outset
> of the game... or will he try to do what he wants the Jets to do?
> That's one of my biggest problems with Schott... he tends to prepare the team, as if it's
> the worst case scenario, before even testing/prodding the D. Happily, he/they got it
> right in the 2nd half last week. And I'm hoping he starts the game, with a plan to make
> the Pats stop the rush, before he gives in.
>
> This really should be a fun game. I'm not as sold on the Pats, as everyone is...
> especially their D. I love watching their offense, but last time I looked they're human
> beings, so they can be beaten, and in reality, Brady's due to throw a couple of INTs ;)
i think running against the pats will be hard. they are stout in the
center with wilfork and lb's spikes and mayo. the jets have to have
ballance. not an easy task, though. in order to run, they have to
make the pats respect the pass and vice versa. it will all come down
to sanchez being able to execute the economical pass plays he will be
given and for the receivers to hold on to the ball. any dropped balls
and eratic passing will cost them in both the passing game and also
allowing things to open up for the running game. as much as rex
states that this is him vs bb, this is a players game for the jets
offense. if the execute and concentrate, they have a fair chance. i'm
less concerned with how the jets defense will start out as far as
their game plan, and more interested to see if they can make
adjustments as needed. and i agree about cro. put him on hernadez or
grankowski. you can use a slower, smaller less athletic guy on
branch. may be even wilson or coleman. keep lowrey and smith
shallow. may be get revis on welker... you gotta jack him up at the
line a bit.
Michael
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:44:03 -0500, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >human. If you relentlessly beat 'em up, they'll get, well, beaten up ;)
> >I'd actually like to see Marquis Cole on Welker, with the inside jammed by backers &
> >safeties. Take away the slant, and make the receivers know they're going to be popped, if
> >they cross the middle of the field. I still don't trust Wilson, & Coleman just isn't
> >physical enough.
>
> >I know the Pats'll stack the box, and they've Wilfork, but the Jets have to make the Pats
> >stop them. That was the big mistake last week, they seemed to take for granted that the
> >Colts would stop them, without trying to force the issue. In the 2nd half they forced
> >their will. It's not like the Jets OL is a lightweight finesse line. They have the
> >capacity to run. I just get tired of Schott always trying to set up the run, with the
> >pass, without challenging the opposition. That's one big reason there's no scoring in the
> >first quarter. It's amazing to me, that with all the preparation beforehand, he cannot
> >come up with an effective script, to attack ANY of our opposition, at the outset of the
> >game.
>
> One other thing... Smith at LB may help keep the lil guy in check, coming out of the
> backfield. He needs to be roughed up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
smith was sorta a hybrid ss/lb in the colts game. i think he had his
best game by far as a jet. coming up on short routs from his shallow
position and making contact at the exact right time. they should use
him the same way vs the pats. i think the jets d should be in a dime
a lot of the time. probably bb is expecting more of what the jets d
did against the colts and plans to run on them to upset the jets new
defensive apple cart early on.
JKConey
"buRford" <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:5anpi6pc9lm3kjaml...@4ax.com...
> I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
> I was impressed by his intelligence.
>
We've beaten Brady before. I've seen him be quite average against us.
It's all about putting up 7's and getting the lead. Is Rex up for the
challenge of not going nuts? It can be done.
--
Harlan Lachman
<6435e3a8-9dcb-4ad7...@f2g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote:
Michael, I just rewatched the game and I have no reason why you say that
unless he was even worse than I have thought in all his other games. I
know he made one great play on Tamme, but he met Rhodes short of a first
and got pushed back, he came in late for support on a lot of passing and
running plays.
I just didn't see more than the one solid play. Poole, who I have also
been down on made three solid plays including two early on to set the
tone in the first quarter.
h
Michael
> In article
> <6435e3a8-9dcb-4ad7-854f-b1b7e1ac6...@f2g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> been down on made three solid plays including two early on to set the
> tone in the first quarter.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Smith did not draw a single flag for once. He did not get beat on any
key plays or critical first down conversions. He did not make ten
tackles or ten defended passes, but for once, he contributions were
all positive and none were horribly negative. in short, he has his
best game as a jet. they should use him the same way against the
pats. coming up from shallow ss/lb positoon to challange the short
passing game
Harlan Lachman
<1322c9a5-74ec-4d01...@29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>,
Michael <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote:
With that low standard, I can concur. He did not get a penalty or miss a
sack, and since he did not guard anyone deep that I could see, he did
not get beat deep (only short to Tamme that I recall).
But, not screwing up and making one good play is not something to get
excited about when the coach does not have to play him because we have
better bodies available.
h
John Vamp
> I got home, & turned my TV to take a look at the weather.
> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
> I was impressed by his intelligence.
>
> Got me thinking about what the D may do.
> One thing that's pretty clear to me, is that Cro should be on a TE. He has trouble with
> smaller quick guys.
The Pats usually play 2 TE, out of which they can run or throw,
depending on the matchups. Cromartie, though I think he'd be a good
cover matchup against Hernandez or possibly even Gronkowski, does not
tackle and does not like contact. Remember this play? (http://
www.youtube.com/watch?v=edUCQAQ_mB0)
Cromartie (#31) starts the play near the top of the screen (at LB
level, inside the RCB). Watch how, when Greene hits the hole,
Cromartie has a clean shot at him. Instead, he slows down and doesn't
even try to hit him. He then sprints after the play, giving Greene a
shove in the end zone, making it look like he was making a real
effort. That play, of course, got shown again and again as an example
of really weak run support by a CB. The replay is more damning than
the live play.
Anyway, if he lines up against Gronk or Hernandez (not as good a
blocker as Gronk, but still much more physical than Cromartie), the
Pats will be more than happy to hammer him all game long. In must-
pass situations, yeah, put him on Hernandez. But in every other
situation, to do so is to ask that Cromartie be pummeled play after
play. He (and the Jets) probably do not want any part of that.
John C TX
> He's not as soft these days, but he's had his moments. Against the Colts, last week, he
> was soft, in coverage, too. Hammering goes both ways, and as I said, I'd like to see the
> middle clogged. With his long arms, he'd make it tougher for Hernandez, while a safety
> could deal better with Gronk.
> It's gonna be interesting what (if anything) Petryan come up with, to deal with the Pats
> O.
> I'd also like to think that Schott will come up with something new, for the Pats D, but as
> you've probably guessed, I aint holding my breath on that one ;)
buRf, he can not tackle. He is more likely too wear a rubber than go
after the runner.
John Vamp
Zing. He's not just a lousy tackler, he's a big-time douche. First,
having umpteen hundred kids by umpteen hundred women, not even able to
remember who they are.....and second, these comments about Brady:
"We see that a lot. He does it a lot," Cromartie told the Daily News.
"That's the kind of guy he is. We really don't give a damn, to tell
you the truth."
Asked what kind of guy Brady is, Cromartie said "ass----," according
to the Daily News.
Why?
"That's what I think about him. I don't really give a damn about him,"
he said, according to the report.
(From: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2010/news/story?id=6014092)
So the Jets, the kings of the trash-talkers, the ones who, every week,
led by their coach, make outrageous comments in an effort to pump
themselves up (I guess that's the reason), when their archrivals beat
them like a drum and show some emotion on the field, it's the Pats who
are being the a-holes? It's like the bully finally getting punched
back and then going and complaining to the principal that he got hit.
LOL.
I want to see the Pats put a beatdown on Cromartie like he's never
experienced before. Might not happen - he's got very good ball skills
and it wouldn't shock me to see him make a big play or two - but man,
this could *easily* be the worst football experience of Cromartie's
life on Sunday. If it is, he certainly deserves it.
DIet Plan
139-0 sucka`ssss
JetsLife
> TV happened to be on SNY, and Mike Pettine was being interviewed.
> I was impressed by his intelligence.
>
> Got me thinking about what the D may do.
> One thing that's pretty clear to me, is that Cro should be on a TE. He has trouble with
> smaller quick guys.
> outside, where the strength of the Jets 2ndary is.
> The biggest key to me, is how physical the D plays. Teams seem to get in chess matches
> with the Pats O, and invariably lose. The Jets can beat them physically, whether or not
> they can do it for 60 minutes, is the question.
>
> That's where the O comes in. It's another ball control game, and even in the blowout a
> few weeks ago, the Jets rushed pretty well in the first half... I think they had over
> 4yds/carry.
> So, will Schott do what he did last week, and give in to what the D wanted at the outset
> of the game... or will he try to do what he wants the Jets to do?
> That's one of my biggest problems with Schott... he tends to prepare the team, as if it's
> the worst case scenario, before even testing/prodding the D. Happily, he/they got it
> right in the 2nd half last week. And I'm hoping he starts the game, with a plan to make
> the Pats stop the rush, before he gives in.
>
That sort of thing is one of my pet peeves with Schott, too. Just when
he gets cute, goes aways from the run, lots of pre-snap motion only to
telegraph a run, that sort of BS. He and the Jets offense seem to be
at their best when they keep it simple.
Unlike you I think he's done a decent job overall this year, tho
certainly not great. I think a better OC could've gotten more out of
the Jets offense. Then again this is Rex's team, so Schotty ran the
kind of run-heavy, ball-control offense Rex wanted/s.
John Vamp
> X-No-Archive: Yes
> media guys take a Ryan quote & blow it up. Tell me about the trash
> talking every week. I am curious. You guys went crazy about Rex'
> initial comments about the rings. Then you watch the video & it was
> certainly a compliment too BB's success. Really when hav ethe jets
> been doing trash talking?
>
> Ryan tells his guys they are the best? Smart, maybe, maybe not, but
> when he is fighting to erase the culture of SOJ it might make sense.
> It isn't my preferred way but he is fun. If somone watches entire
> interview & they don' find Ryan likable then I woul d say they are
> either a dolt or a bore.
>
>
>
> > I want to see the Pats put a beatdown on Cromartie like he's never
> > experienced before. Might not happen - he's got very good ball skills
> > and it wouldn't shock me to see him make a big play or two - but man,
> > this could *easily* be the worst football experience of Cromartie's
> > life on Sunday. If it is, he certainly deserves it.
>
> hate Brady, really.
>
> I don't think any QB should ever taunt as the rules give them
> protection that no one else gets.
>
> --
John, I'm on record at patsfans.com as saying that I actually like
Ryan (most Pats fans think I'm crazy for that....whatever). But it is
nevertheless true that from the moment he arrived, he's been talking a
LOT about the Patriots...some of his "compliments" are hardly that.
If you don't think the Jets do a lot of smack talking....as I said in
another thread, you guys must be so used to it that you don't even
notice it anymore.
Personally, I don't find the talking to be offensive in the least. My
only point is that if you're gonna talk smack, when the other guy wins
and does it back, you can't complain about it. The Jets most
certainly started the trash talking against the Pats before the week
13 game (in fact, you just can't really find any quotes by Pats'
players or coaches at all other than, "We're trying to prepare as best
we can; we know they're a good team" sort of thing). So for the Pats
to lay a beatdown on them and then say a few things during the game
is....well....pretty much to be expected after you've been on the
receiving end of the war of words all week long. Then for the team to
do the talking to be offended at being on the receiving end
themselves....well, it's hypocritical to say the least but really,
it's nothing more than terribly immature.
If you're going to dish it out, you have to be willing to take it.
The Jets certainly don't mind dishing it out; but now they're whining
that they had to take it. It's like they're a bunch of 3rd graders.
John Vamp
> There are two or three of 53... and the coach.
Obviously I'm generalizing. I haven't heard every single player and
coach say things like that. So far, though, I count Ryan, Westhoff,
Cromartie, Scott, Revis (who said things about Randy Moss), Jenkins
(who talked smack about the Ravens...didn't hear anything from him
about the Pats), and I know I've heard at least one more...can't
remember who it was though.
> And as an aside, whatchya think of Brady saying he hated the Jets, back in preseason?
> Seems to me, like he was the one that started this childish hate crap.
> It aint all in a vacuum, and I'm sure contributed to Rex's antics.
> Cromartie is just a jerk.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/08/tom_brady_i_hat.html
Hard Knocks was happening before Brady said what he said. So Brady's
comments were in response to Hard Knocks. Ergo, he didn't "start" the
childish smack talk. Rex started off on day one of his arrival...thus
nothing the Pats said or did contributed to his antics at all.
See: http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/06/jets_coach_rex_ryan_has.html
(from June 6, 2009):
"Jets coach Rex Ryan has been talking smack from the moment he was
named head coach. It's great copy.
Ryan's comment on Wednesday about how he didn't come here to "kiss
Bill Belichick's rings'' is refreshing in a league where many head
coaches are afraid to say anything controversial. And his line about
visiting the White House in the next couple of years was an absolute
classic.
Both lines have surely made the rounds in New England and will likely
appear on the Patriots' bulletin board leading up to a Week 2 clash at
the Meadowlands between the teams - if the ever-confident Ryan doesn't
provide new material. Belichick doesn't miss a trick.
But Ryan, whose defense certainly walked the walk in Baltimore, might
want to turn in down a notch or two now that he's a head coach. He
could be writing a big fat check that him and his players will have to
cash this season. It's tough enough to win in the NFL without
providing extra motivation for opponents. If it was possible to turn
up the heat in the Jets-Patriot rivalry after "Spygate,'' Ryan has
done so."
- - -
This was before they even had their first training camp under Ryan, he
started talking crap. Good grief.
John Vamp
> > Ryan (most Pats fans think I'm crazy for that....whatever). But it is
> > nevertheless true that from the moment he arrived, he's been talking a
> > LOT about the Patriots...some of his "compliments" are hardly that.
> > If you don't think the Jets do a lot of smack talking....as I said in
> > another thread, you guys must be so used to it that you don't even
> > notice it anymore.
>
> most times his quote is taken out of context or the nuance is missed
> with the prime example Is his "kiss the rings" comment. It was very
> funny & it was a compliment. Almost all acknowledge they like him.
>
> He does take some oblique shots but I still insist Pat fans are often
> of the most hyper-sensitive fans on the planet. BB planted the seed &
> the Boston media ran with this idea that the Pats get no respect.
> This is after winning 3 Super Bowls & an almost perfect season?
Pats fans might be oversensitive, I don't know. But Ryan was taking
shots at the Pats from day one. See that article I cited in my
response to BuRf...(http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/06/
jets_coach_rex_ryan_has.html). It's from June 2009, before the Jets
even had training camp in his first year.
"Jets coach Rex Ryan has been talking smack from the moment he was
named head coach. It's great copy.
Ryan's comment on Wednesday about how he didn't come here to "kiss
Bill Belichick's rings'' is refreshing in a league where many head
coaches are afraid to say anything controversial. And his line about
visiting the White House in the next couple of years was an absolute
classic."
And that's from a New Jersey writer, not a New England writer.
> > Personally, I don't find the talking to be offensive in the least. My
> > only point is that if you're gonna talk smack, when the other guy wins
> > and does it back, you can't complain about it. The Jets most
> > certainly started the trash talking against the Pats before the week
> > 13 game (in fact, you just can't really find any quotes by Pats'
> > players or coaches at all other than, "We're trying to prepare as best
> > we can; we know they're a good team" sort of thing). So for the Pats
> > to lay a beatdown on them and then say a few things during the game
> > is....well....pretty much to be expected after you've been on the
> > receiving end of the war of words all week long. Then for the team to
> > do the talking to be offended at being on the receiving end
> > themselves....well, it's hypocritical to say the least but really,
> > it's nothing more than terribly immature.
>
> > If you're going to dish it out, you have to be willing to take it.
> > The Jets certainly don't mind dishing it out; but now they're whining
> > that they had to take it. It's like they're a bunch of 3rd graders.
>
> Cromartie should have never said anything but Brady as great as he is
> could learn a few things form Manning's on the field demeanor.
> Manning could learn a few things about how Brady acts after a loss in
> front of the press.
Again, my point isn't that it's wrong to talk trash (some of the
greatest ever to play talked trash, like Jordan, Bird, etc.). It's
that if you talk as much trash as the Jets do, you can't complain
about it when guys talk trash back. Which the Pats didn't even do
(unless you consider Brady looking at the Jets' sideline after a TD to
be talking trash). The Jets talk trash but then whine when other guys
do it (hence Cromartie's "Brady is an ahole" comment). It's 3rd grade
stuff, really.
Michael
> > Ryan (most Pats fans think I'm crazy for that....whatever). But it is
> > nevertheless true that from the moment he arrived, he's been talking a
> > LOT about the Patriots...some of his "compliments" are hardly that.
> > If you don't think the Jets do a lot of smack talking....as I said in
> > another thread, you guys must be so used to it that you don't even
> > notice it anymore.
>
> most times his quote is taken out of context or the nuance is missed
> with the prime example Is his "kiss the rings" comment. It was very
> funny & it was a compliment. Almost all acknowledge they like him.
>
> He does take some oblique shots but I still insist Pat fans are often
> of the most hyper-sensitive fans on the planet. BB planted the seed &
> the Boston media ran with this idea that the Pats get no respect.
> This is after winning 3 Super Bowls & an almost perfect season?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > only point is that if you're gonna talk smack, when the other guy wins
> > and does it back, you can't complain about it. The Jets most
> > certainly started the trash talking against the Pats before the week
> > 13 game (in fact, you just can't really find any quotes by Pats'
> > players or coaches at all other than, "We're trying to prepare as best
> > we can; we know they're a good team" sort of thing). So for the Pats
> > to lay a beatdown on them and then say a few things during the game
> > is....well....pretty much to be expected after you've been on the
> > receiving end of the war of words all week long. Then for the team to
> > do the talking to be offended at being on the receiving end
> > themselves....well, it's hypocritical to say the least but really,
> > it's nothing more than terribly immature.
>
> > If you're going to dish it out, you have to be willing to take it.
> > The Jets certainly don't mind dishing it out; but now they're whining
> > that they had to take it. It's like they're a bunch of 3rd graders.
>
> could learn a few things form Manning's on the field demeanor.
> Manning could learn a few things about how Brady acts after a loss in
> front of the press.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
i love manning in front of the press after a loss. great getting to
see him eah shit with a wooden spoon
John Vamp
> > greatest ever to play talked trash, like Jordan, Bird, etc.). It's
> > that if you talk as much trash as the Jets do, you can't complain
> > about it when guys talk trash back. Which the Pats didn't even do
> > (unless you consider Brady looking at the Jets' sideline after a TD to
> > be talking trash). The Jets talk trash but then whine when other guys
> > do it (hence Cromartie's "Brady is an ahole" comment). It's 3rd grade
> > stuff, really.
>
> hate Brady as he is the enemy so part of me is smiling.
>
> I generally hate trash talking & I am with you on Cromartie's
> comments.
>
> I wish it was Sunday.
I agree. It's actually pretty fun theater for fans though.
Personally, I'm not a trash talker at all. I work at a university and
play hoops all the time with these 18-22 year olds, full of
testosterone. Many of them talk trash like you wouldn't believe. I
just smile and rain shots down on them over and over again. By the
end of the day they're usually muttering to themselves. Always a good
sign.
John Vamp
> I know what a few Jets have said, but come on, Brady brought up hating the Jets.
> He could've easily just dismissed any question about Hard Knocks, but chose to go the hate
> route.
You win. All the trash talking the Jets have done (including stuff
Rex said before he even held his first training camp) is because Tom
Brady started it. You're right...I'm wrong.
John Vamp
> How do you feel about Welker's schtick today?
I don't know...what happened?
> To me, he crossed the line, because he went into Rex's personal life.
> You may think Rex deserves it. And if so, that goes back to what many think about the
> Pats. Because they're not as innocent as you portray them.
> Whatever the case, it should be a fun game.
> Hopefully, no injuries, & the refs let 'em play.
I want the refs to call the game correctly.
Harlan Lachman
<a8948a21-b664-476f...@q18g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
John Vamp <jvamp...@gmail.com> wrote:
But when they screw up, I prefer the tuck up to be in our favor.
Harlan
John Vamp
> btw although not a shooter -- my motto is nothing good happens outside
> the 3 point line --I love playing the young bucks. My favorite is
> when the old timers run them through back pick after back pick & they
> start yelling at each other.
Heh. I'm not a 3-point shooter either. I'm only 6'0", but I play the
post. And this is the kind of move I make that gets them swearing to
themselves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc02Z4-0wDM
I can't dunk like Hakeem, obviously, but moves like that are my game.
Needless to say, it flummoxes kids who don't have good
fundamentals. :-)
John Vamp
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > I can't dunk like Hakeem, obviously, but moves like that are my game.
> > Needless to say, it flummoxes kids who don't have good
> > fundamentals. :-)
>
> has a sick sense of humor. I am 5"11 3/4".
>
> I can't grab it but I can still touch the rim.
That's where I'm at as well...same height, 175 pounds, and on a good
day can still hang on the rim (but it has to be a good day for
sure!). Not awful for a 41-year old.