Re: Blah, blah, blah...

[Still Roper]

On Sep 13, 1:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> I just laugh at it.
>
> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> Gotta go... there's a rerun of "Hillbilly Handfishing."

7 years and counting.

[Deadmeat]

On 9/13/2011 1:24 PM, buRford wrote:
> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>

> Obviously, Brady's great,& they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few

> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> I just laugh at it.
>
> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> Gotta go... there's a rerun of "Hillbilly Handfishing."

Yeah, it's only OK when the media is running of at the mouth about the
jets. I get it.

How long has it been since the jets won anything?

[Papa Carl]

<Deadmeat> wrote in message
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Actually, since Sunday night.

[Deadmeat]

Hey, pretty good there. It might be the first time a jet fan said
anything funny.

[Señor Patriots]

On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>

> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few

> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> I just laugh at it.
>
> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
>

It would be revealing to know how you define greatness. Apparently
the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
doesn't impress you. So what does impress you? Are you watching the
same sport I'm watching?

If you're arguing that you're sick in the belly of the media attention
then I can agree with that sentiment. I agree 100%. It's an
embarrassment to humanity. I think the attention is way overblown for
all of these guys and teams. It's not real life. It's a game.

In the context of a game, though, and in discussing facts and numbers
and records, I don't see another team in the league that compares for
the last decade (which would be the most relevant decade, I would
assume). I would also put the Colts and Steelers in the greatness
category over that time, but they did not win three and have the best
overall record and set all those NFL records. So, I have to say that
if there is a Gold Standard in the NFL, you be looking at it up in
Foxboro.

[MuahMan]

He said "won" not "gifted".

[MuahMan]

On Sep 13, 6:40 pm, Señor Patriots <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
wrote:

> On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> > The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> > Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> > The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> > great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > I just laugh at it.
>
> > Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> It would be revealing to know how you define greatness.  Apparently
> the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
> most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
> doesn't impress you.  So what does impress you?  Are you watching the
> same sport I'm watching?
>

An obese coach that runs his mouth impresses Jet fans.

[MZ]

On Sep 13, 7:23 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT), Se or Patriots <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> >> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> >> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> >> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> >> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> >> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> >> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> >> I just laugh at it.
>
> >> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> >It would be revealing to know how you define greatness.  Apparently
> >the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
> >most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
> >doesn't impress you.  So what does impress you?  Are you watching the
> >same sport I'm watching?
>

> If you noticed, I was speaking of the Media, and it's annual coronation of the Pats.
> And my greatness comment, has to do with the Media, not the Pats.
> It used to be that you had to do something of notoriety, to get Media attention.
> Now, the airwaves & ether are filled with spin & PR... hence my greatness diluted comment.
> I respect the opinions of fans, much more than the so-called experts (pundits) that fill
> the Media, whether sports or politics.

>
>
>
> >If you're arguing that you're sick in the belly of the media attention
> >then I can agree with that sentiment.  I agree 100%.  It's an
> >embarrassment to humanity. I think the attention is way overblown for
> >all of these guys and teams.  It's not real life.  It's a game.
>
> >In the context of a game, though, and in discussing facts and numbers
> >and records, I don't see another team in the league that compares for
> >the last decade (which would be the most relevant decade, I would
> >assume).  I would also put the Colts and Steelers in the greatness
> >category over that time, but they did not win three and have the best
> >overall record and set all those NFL records.  So, I have to say that
> >if there is a Gold Standard in the NFL, you be looking at it up in
> >Foxboro.
>

> Everyone has an opinion... I'm sure yours isn't biased ;)

Burf, I thought it was a pretty impressive game, so it's not
surprising that everyone is talking about it. There were records
broken (and other records challenged), which makes it pretty
noteworthy. People are talking about the Janikowski FG too, and he's
just a freakin' kicker.

You think this is bad, wait until we start getting teams that go 4-0
and 5-0, and then we'll have to listen to those teams being coroneted
and some 16-0 talk.

[Julio Sanchez]

On Sep 13, 1:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> I just laugh at it.
>
> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>

> Gotta go... there's a rerun of "Hillbilly Handfishing."

The stats at football outsiders show them pretty much the same as last
year,
which is how they look. Maybe the defensive front is better but the
backfield
may be worse. They gave up 400+ yards to CHAD HENNE? Doesn't anyone
remember how bad he's been the last couple of years? The Pats have
a wonderful candy-coated offense and they'll win a lot of games, but
good
defensive teams like the Jets or Ravens will take them apart in the
playoffs
unless the Pats develop a genuine running game (and figure out a way
to
stop the 400+ passing days). They're kind of like Atlanta in baseball,
or at least the way they were in the 90's.

And I'm a Pats fan!

Julio

[Señor Patriots]

On Sep 13, 7:33 pm, Julio Sanchez <hoolio3sanc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> may be worse. They gave up 400+ yards to CHAD HENNE? Doesn't anyone
> remember how bad he's been the last couple of years?

Is the Miami offense this year or the last couple of years? Jeezuz,
somebody wake me up, I thought that was an aggressive passing offense
last night that didn't look like two years ago at all.

>The Pats have
> a wonderful candy-coated offense and they'll win a lot of games, but
> good
> defensive teams like the Jets or Ravens will take them apart in the
> playoffs
> unless the Pats develop a genuine running game (and figure out a way
> to
> stop the 400+ passing days). They're kind of like Atlanta in baseball,
> or at least the way they were in the 90's.
>
> And I'm a Pats fan!
>
> Julio

What is candy coated? Does that even mean anything?

[Ray O'Hara]

"Julio Sanchez" <hoolio3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Julio

bullshit you are a Pats fanwhat is it about trolling that makes you a liar.

[Señor Patriots]

On Sep 13, 8:49 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>
> They have a really aggressive offensive philosophy, which I'd love the Jets to emulate.
> And it just keeps going, no matter what players they have... even when Brady was injured.
>
> But the Media myth just gets old, and that's what the point of my post was.

I'm afraid that the NFL is spin central, and survives and thrives on
many myths of its own making. Can you imagine the myths that would be
created if the Jets managed to win three SBs in four years, and kept
the QB/Coach duo together for ten more years?

I love the myth of Joe Montana but I hated seeing his face in
commercials back then. I hated all the Joe talk. I hated the fact
that he was successful enough to rate the attention while my guys got
nothing. It's not an equal opportunity world when it comes to the
media. They want to go with the winners. It's inescapable.

It's possible that Rex has forced his way into the inner circles of
the NFL Myth by just blabbing about what he's going to do. That marks
a whole new way of creating myth power. I've never seen a team get so
many headlines based upon what they say. When you look at the guy's
body of work it's good, but it's in no way worthy of all the attention
he gets. How long can that play with no promised results?

[Johnny Morongo]

On 9/13/2011 6:45 PM, buRford wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:48:23 -0700 (PDT), MZ<for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 13, 7:23 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT), Se or Patriots<paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
>>>>> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
>>>>> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
>>>>> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>>>

>>>>> Obviously, Brady's great,& they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few

>>>>> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>>>
>>>>> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>>>
>>>>> I just laugh at it.
>>>
>>>>> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>>>
>>>> It would be revealing to know how you define greatness. Apparently
>>>> the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
>>>> most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
>>>> doesn't impress you. So what does impress you? Are you watching the
>>>> same sport I'm watching?
>>>
>>> If you noticed, I was speaking of the Media, and it's annual coronation of the Pats.
>>> And my greatness comment, has to do with the Media, not the Pats.
>>> It used to be that you had to do something of notoriety, to get Media attention.

>>> Now, the airwaves& ether are filled with spin& PR... hence my greatness diluted comment.

>>> I respect the opinions of fans, much more than the so-called experts (pundits) that fill
>>> the Media, whether sports or politics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you're arguing that you're sick in the belly of the media attention
>>>> then I can agree with that sentiment. I agree 100%. It's an
>>>> embarrassment to humanity. I think the attention is way overblown for
>>>> all of these guys and teams. It's not real life. It's a game.
>>>
>>>> In the context of a game, though, and in discussing facts and numbers
>>>> and records, I don't see another team in the league that compares for
>>>> the last decade (which would be the most relevant decade, I would
>>>> assume). I would also put the Colts and Steelers in the greatness
>>>> category over that time, but they did not win three and have the best
>>>> overall record and set all those NFL records. So, I have to say that
>>>> if there is a Gold Standard in the NFL, you be looking at it up in
>>>> Foxboro.
>>>
>>> Everyone has an opinion... I'm sure yours isn't biased ;)
>>
>>
>> Burf, I thought it was a pretty impressive game, so it's not
>> surprising that everyone is talking about it. There were records
>> broken (and other records challenged), which makes it pretty
>> noteworthy. People are talking about the Janikowski FG too, and he's
>> just a freakin' kicker.
>>
>> You think this is bad, wait until we start getting teams that go 4-0
>> and 5-0, and then we'll have to listen to those teams being coroneted
>> and some 16-0 talk.
>

> Hey Mark... how's it been?
>
> I'm wasn't speaking specifically of after the game, just in general.
> And it's not about the respect I have for the Pats, Brady, or BB... it really IS about the
> Media myth. I used to work in Media,& got out because of what it was becoming.
>
> I'd say the same thing about the Jets *vaunted* defense... another myth.
> It's been very good since Rex got here, but there are some weaknesses that haven't been
> addressed. I'm happy with it, but I think the Media exaggerates its greatness.

I think that the O-line has also gotten way too much undeserved positive
press.

> And don't get me started on our resident genius OC.
> The other day, on our local TV sports network (SNY), they did a little profile on him, and
> called him an O genius Svengali. I've been spitting up since ;)

[NK]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Julio Sanchez
<hoolio3...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>They gave up 400+ yards to CHAD HENNE? Doesn't anyone
>remember how bad he's been the last couple of years?

Did you watch the game? He was on, he played a great game. He was
*nailed* on his first pass but still made a perfect throw under
pressure. For example.

--
NK

[Señor Patriots]

On Sep 13, 11:27 pm, NK wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Julio Sanchez
>

> <hoolio3sanc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >They gave up 400+ yards to CHAD HENNE? Doesn't anyone
> >remember how bad he's been the last couple of years?
>
>   Did you watch the game? He was on, he played a great game. He was
> *nailed* on his first pass but still made a perfect throw under
> pressure. For example.
>
> --
> NK

I must admit that he played well under siege (4 sacks and 10 QB
hits). He played much better in that style offense than last year's
style. This goes to show you (if he continues) that any player can be
handled or mishandled. Some guys were probably ruined by bad style
decisions. As I remember it John Elway had a major bitch with Dan
Reeves about that very subject. So did Marino with Jimmy Johnson.

Henne may be the second best QB in the division for all we know at
this early stage. He seems to be comfortable in a wide open offense.
He kept them in that game. He was not great on third down (or our
defense was pretty good) but he did put up points and did not look
uncomfortable or lost. That is something to build on. I'm betting
that he turns out to be a decent QB in that system.

[Señor Patriots]

On Sep 13, 9:57 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> bullshit you are a Pats fan what is it about trolling that makes you a liar.

I want to see him explain what a candy coated offense is. It's a nice
sounding term but what exactly does it mean?

It means somebody is jealous of an offense that scores 30+ week in and
week out, year in and year out. It means somebody really is afraid
that his team will show up and its world class defense will get 45
laid on it again.

I think somebody is also confused about what a consistent winner does
in the NFL. Since we know that the old Niners were eliminated more
times than not during their run, it's an NFL axiom that great teams
that are on a run do not win every single playoff game. Loud mouths
do in their dreams.

[MZ]

How many of Henne's yards were during garbage time, Julio?

What I saw was a defense that put pressure on the QB consistently over
the course of the game, came up with key stops in crucial situations,
and got soft at the end after the game had essentially been decided.
I thought it was pretty positive, defensively, when the game was still
close.

Let's also not forget that it hasn't been that long since the Saints
won a Super Bowl. The adage that defense wins championships often
rings true, but offense is important too. :)

[MZ]

On Sep 13, 9:45 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:48:23 -0700 (PDT), MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:

> Hey Mark... how's it been?
>
> I'm wasn't speaking specifically of after the game, just in general.
> And it's not about the respect I have for the Pats, Brady, or BB... it really IS about the

> Media myth.  I used to work in Media, & got out because of what it was becoming.

>
> I'd say the same thing about the Jets *vaunted* defense... another myth.
> It's been very good since Rex got here, but there are some weaknesses that haven't been
> addressed.  I'm happy with it, but I think the Media exaggerates its greatness.

> And don't get me started on our resident genius OC.
> The other day, on our local TV sports network (SNY), they did a little profile on him, and
> called him an O genius Svengali.  I've been spitting up since ;)

Good to see you back, burf. I don't disagree with you about media
sensationalism. But come on, you're as biased about that as we are
about the Pats!

[Grinch]

On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:01:31 AM UTC-4, MZ wrote:
> On Sep 13, 8:33 pm, Julio Sanchez <hoolio3...@yahoo.com> wrote:

To paraphrase Casey Stengel, "Great defense beats great offense, and vice versa".

[Papa Carl]

"MZ" <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote in message
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And the offenense doing the job is "trending" more and more that way...the
rules, the way they now play the game..it is all going that way and I would
guess to make it a more attractive game for the newer fans to watch.

[Señor Patriots]

On Sep 14, 7:01 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> Let's also not forget that it hasn't been that long since the Saints
> won a Super Bowl.  The adage that defense wins championships often
> rings true, but offense is important too.  :)

Interestingly, the Saints and Packers both showed very little defense
in their game. I fear what this means for the NFL. Those are two of
the best teams in the league. I think we're in the middle of a huge
sea change that favors the passing offenses. Good passing defense
statistics are going to be hard to find. I don't like it. I don't
like the cheap TD mentality of Arena Football, which is why I never
watch it.

[Julio Sanchez]

On Sep 14, 3:08 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Let's also not forget that it hasn't been that long since the Saints
> won a Super Bowl.  The adage that defense wins championships often
> rings true, but offense is important too.  :)
>
> And the offenense doing the job is "trending" more and more that way...the
> rules, the way they now play the game..it is all going that way and I would

> guess to make it a more attractive game for the newer fans to watch.- Hide quoted text -
>

NO didn't have to go through a couple of elite AFC defenses to
get to its Superbowl. Minn was ranked 10th and the Cardinals
were about 14 or 15. The Pats offense might be as good as
the NO was in 2009, but even that can be shut down by
a team designed to stop Brady (i.e., the Jets, the Ravens)
if they don't have a running game. The old Pats were more
like the current Jets: depend on your D to keep the game
close, then pull out a few suprises on offense to score points
later in the game.

Julio

[MZ]

Why do you keep saying they don't have a running game? They were
ranked 10th in yards per attempt last year -- higher if you take out
QB runs. 2nd in rushing TDs, 3rd in rushing first downs, and had the
2nd fewest rushing turnovers. Were you unhappy with the running game
last season?

This season, they've added two RBs from the draft and they get a full
season of Mankins. The only real loss to the running game is Neal,
who didn't play a full season last year anyway. I don't see any
reason to expect their running game to get appreciably worse from
2010.

The Jets and Ravens have top-tier defenses. You're not going to
routinely get the best of them. The best you can do is field the best
possible offense you can within the constraints of the salary cap, and
I think the Pats have done that. They'll again likely have a top 3
offense, and will hopefully do a better job of gameplanning in the
playoffs.

[Papa Carl]

"Julio Sanchez" <hoolio3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Probably right...good point Julio...I think BB is on top of where the trends
are going too. Maybe that's why it is all offense?

[Grinch]

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:53:36 AM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
> "Julio Sanchez" <hoolio3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1e2ade23-8f7a-45e4...@a13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 14, 3:08 pm, "Papa Carl"

> wrote:
> > Let's also not forget that it hasn't been that long since the Saints
> > won a Super Bowl. The adage that defense wins championships often
> > rings true, but offense is important too. :)
> >
> > And the offenense doing the job is "trending" more and more that way...the
> > rules, the way they now play the game..it is all going that way and I
> > would
> > guess to make it a more attractive game for the newer fans to watch.- Hide
> > quoted text -
> >
>
> NO didn't have to go through a couple of elite AFC defenses to
> get to its Superbowl. Minn was ranked 10th and the Cardinals
> were about 14 or 15. The Pats offense might be as good as
> the NO was in 2009, but even that can be shut down by
> a team designed to stop Brady (i.e., the Jets, the Ravens)
> if they don't have a running game. The old Pats were more
> like the current Jets: depend on your D to keep the game
> close, then pull out a few suprises on offense to score points
> later in the game.
>
> Julio
>
>
> Probably right...good point Julio...I think BB is on top of where the trends
> are going too. Maybe that's why it is all offense?

I'd guess the current version of Belichick emphasizes offense because he has Brady.

The salary cap means you can't emphasize everything, so if you have a HoF QB it makes perfect sense to invest it in players who will help get the most out of him. The same reason why Polian's emphasized offense in Indy.

As for the NFL becoming "more offensive" so to speak, the league has certainly opened up the passing game more and more, but there hasn't been any noticeable increase in scoring.

Over the last decade teams have averaged about 21.5 points a game, varying a little up/down around that each year. Last year it was 22. So it's not like defense is disappearing (or the Jets wouldn't have been in the conference title game the last two years).

[Papa Carl]

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That's something I really agree with...and like his mentor...he uses what he
has and adjusts his scheme according to what his players do best...he has
Brady...so make the emphasis offense...makes total sense to me. I still
think the biggest problem with Schott is he is a guy committed to his system
and scheme over adjusting and adapting what the players dictates. Defense
will never disappear...but the old offense winds games and defense wins
championships is less true than it once was I belive.

[MZ]

On Sep 15, 7:15 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:

> Actually, not really.
> I'm a true & tested Jets fan, but not really prone to overblowing people, or teams.
> Even a guy like Revis, I've thought has been blown out of proportion... until recently.
> Of course, I'll always think that Lam Jones should be in the Football HoF ;)

Haha I meant biased against the media...

[Ray O'Hara]

"John C TX" <johnc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I think Rex has... it's his personality. Rex really is just what ya see.
> For me, the importance of Rex, is that he had Jets bloodlines (his dad
> being a coach on
> the SB3 team).
> So, it's no surprise to me that he's become the face of the Jets.
> Seriously, in a couple of years, he's been able to make the Jets challenge
> the Giants in
> NY sports. The Giants have always bee *the* team here. So, he serves his
> purpose ;)

buRf, Rex' personality would shine through in Houston, Indy or NY. I
think his link to Super Bowl III is a good story but he is a man
larger than life. I think he is fun & so much better coach than we
have seen since BP & BB were running around Hofstra that the
entertainment he provides is immaterial when put up against his body
of work on the field.

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Rex is a loudmouth in the classic style of New York loudmouths.
So he seems to be the right coach for the J.E.S.T jest jest jest.
and he has improved the team. He might do okay in Texas as they like
loudmouths too, but elsewhere I don't think he'd be as well received.

[Ray O'Hara]

"Papa Carl" <papa...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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that second Fish TD caused by the nice defensive pass deflection made the
game look closer than it was.

The Fish's opening drive for a TD was quite impressive, they just marched
down the field, but the Pats adjusted on the next Fish possession and the
Fish had no real answer for that.

[John C TX]

On Sep 15, 9:24 am, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:547e65c2-c8ad-4b54...@ge10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

> ===========================================================================­===============

>
> Rex is a loudmouth in the classic style of New York loudmouths.
> So he seems to be the right coach for the J.E.S.T jest jest jest.
> and he has improved the team. He might do okay in Texas as they like
> loudmouths too, but elsewhere I don't think he'd be as well received.

You are from NY?

[Johnny Morongo]

>> larger than life. I think he is fun& so much better coach than we
>> have seen since BP& BB were running around Hofstra that the

>> entertainment he provides is immaterial when put up against his body
>> of work on the field.
>>
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>>
>> Rex is a loudmouth in the classic style of New York loudmouths.
>> So he seems to be the right coach for the J.E.S.T jest jest jest.
>> and he has improved the team. He might do okay in Texas as they like
>> loudmouths too, but elsewhere I don't think he'd be as well received.
>
> You are from NY?

He's no New Yorker...more of a Boston cod, er, clod. Think of Frank
Costello in "The Departed."

[Señor Patriots]

On Sep 14, 7:29 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> As for that game, the offense is scary but if they score instead of
> getting stopped at the goal line it was a 7 point game so there is a
> lot to write about: great offense, questions on defense,
Fair statement.

The Pats have been set as the favorites by Vegas not because of being
14-2 last year, but because of what they added on defense to a
previously 14-2 team. That is a mature, but new group of guys playing
together. We all know that Ellis can play. We all know that
Haynesworth can play. Carter can play. Will they actually play up to
potential for this coach on this team this year? Nobody can say that
for sure, so as you said, and I have to agree, "questions on
defense".

My own prediction is that the front seven will not be the problem
later in the year. The safeties might be though.

[Señor Patriots]

On Sep 14, 2:08 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> How many of Henne's yards were during garbage time, Julio?
>

I'm not sure there was any true garbage time, Carl. They were
potentially still in the game. They were behind, they had to throw,
he made a lot of throws. The Pats just couldn't stop him.

> What I saw was a defense that put pressure on the QB consistently over
> the course of the game, came up with key stops in crucial situations,
> and got soft at the end after the game had essentially been decided.

For sure they clamped down on third downs. They did not have that
success on fourth downs though. So overall Miami was 6-19 on third/
fourth downs. That is still a good number for the Pats, but it's a
little deceiving because of the yards they gave up on other downs.
Henne basically shredded them, but they had enough in the tank to stop
him when it really counted.

My theory is that Henne is excellent under pressure, and has found the
right coach and offense to show what he can do. This kid could be a
very good QB despite his lack of success with the wrong coach and
wrong system.

[MZ]

On Sep 15, 4:00 pm, Señor Patriots <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
wrote:

> We all know that Ellis can play.

After what I saw Monday night, we don't all know this. :)

[MZ]

On Sep 15, 4:07 pm, Señor Patriots <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
wrote:

I think you're right about his poise under pressure, at least on
Monday night. But I think it's a mistake to say that the Pats D
didn't come up big when it counted. Goal line stops, etc. As John
said, it could have been a closer game earlier on if they hadn't
stopped Miami. But they did stop Miami, so that's kudos to the
defense.

I still stand by what I said about garbage time though. Over half of
Henne's yards came at the end of the game when the Pats were playing
soft zone. Should they have been doing this? I don't know, debate
that one with Belichick. I think he was content giving them yards
about midway through the final quarter. I'm not saying they executed
it well on that second-to-last drive, but I am saying that it's a
little misleading to look at the final yardage tally and say that
there was a problem the whole game. If anything, we could conclude
that the team has more work to do with its prevent defense.

[Ray O'Hara]

"Señor Patriots" <paul.l...@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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the NFL had a record week in passing yards.
the rules have made it a passing league so expect more of the same.
its not just the defense back restrictions , its also the penalties and
fines for hitting QBs.

[John C TX]

So he overblows?

:)

[JetsLife]

On Sep 13, 6:40 pm, Señor Patriots <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...

> > The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> > Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> > The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> > great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > I just laugh at it.
>
> > Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>

> It would be revealing to know how you define greatness.  Apparently
> the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
> most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
> doesn't impress you.  So what does impress you?  Are you watching the
> same sport I'm watching?
>

> If you're arguing that you're sick in the belly of the media attention
> then I can agree with that sentiment.  I agree 100%.  It's an
> embarrassment to humanity. I think the attention is way overblown for
> all of these guys and teams.  It's not real life.  It's a game.
>
> In the context of a game, though, and in discussing facts and numbers
> and records, I don't see another team in the league that compares for
> the last decade (which would be the most relevant decade, I would
> assume).  I would also put the Colts and Steelers in the greatness
> category over that time, but they did not win three and have the best
> overall record and set all those NFL records.  So, I have to say that
> if there is a Gold Standard in the NFL, you be looking at it up in
> Foxboro.

Much of which achieved while likely cheating in a major way. James
Harrison and others have also said as much.

One cannot definitively say the Pats had great success pre-SpyGate
without the aid of cheating. Sorry, that's just reality. Post SpyGate
the Pats have always flamed out in the postseason. Coincidence or not?

[MZ]

So they only cheated during the postseason?