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Michael
Sep 12, 2011, 1:14:45 PM9/12/11
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Hunter did not appear to be as good as I expected as a pass blocker.
Part of that could be that he was going agaisnt an outstanding pass
rusher.
If things continue to look that badly with Hunter at RT, they coudl
try...
Ducasse at LG and Slauson at RT.
Ducasse looked a lot better at the G position and Slauson has played
in every single position along the line...
I know at least Slauson can do the job at RT much better than Hunter.
Slauson would also be a much better run blocking RT. The question is,
can Ducasse play G and not get Sanchez killed ???
May be try that guy they got from GB at LG and stick Slason at RT.
They have to figure somthing out as Hunter does not appear to be up to
it.
Part of that could be that he was going agaisnt an outstanding pass
rusher.
If things continue to look that badly with Hunter at RT, they coudl
try...
Ducasse at LG and Slauson at RT.
Ducasse looked a lot better at the G position and Slauson has played
in every single position along the line...
I know at least Slauson can do the job at RT much better than Hunter.
Slauson would also be a much better run blocking RT. The question is,
can Ducasse play G and not get Sanchez killed ???
May be try that guy they got from GB at LG and stick Slason at RT.
They have to figure somthing out as Hunter does not appear to be up to
it.
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Michael
Sep 12, 2011, 6:32:39 PM9/12/11
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On Sep 12, 4:59 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hunter played vs a guy that had almost 16 sacks last year. Take a
> deep breath.
slauson has move leverage than hunter. hunter also had his problems
in the preseason. again... i'm not sure about hunter, but he has not
been looking good. i thought he was going to be at least a great pass
blocker after the chicago game last season when he shut down peppers.
i think i was in error. also... slauson is not twinkle toes, but you
are over stating his slow feet. hunter is hopeless as a run blocker.
the jets could not run to the outside of the left due to brick. not
they cant run outside to the right either. it is a serious problem
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> > Hunter did not appear to be as good as I expected as a pass blocker.
> > Part of that could be that he was going agaisnt an outstanding pass
> > rusher.
>
> > If things continue to look that badly with Hunter at RT, they coudl
> > try...
>
> > Ducasse at LG and Slauson at RT.
>
> The Queen Mary could turn faster than Slausson.
> > Hunter did not appear to be as good as I expected as a pass blocker.
> > Part of that could be that he was going agaisnt an outstanding pass
> > rusher.
>
> > If things continue to look that badly with Hunter at RT, they coudl
> > try...
>
> > Ducasse at LG and Slauson at RT.
>
>
>
>
> > Ducasse looked a lot better at the G position and Slauson has played
> > in every single position along the line...
>
> > I know at least Slauson can do the job at RT much better than Hunter.
>
> Why as he can't move side to side?
>
>
> > Ducasse looked a lot better at the G position and Slauson has played
> > in every single position along the line...
>
> > I know at least Slauson can do the job at RT much better than Hunter.
>
>
> > Slauson would also be a much better run blocking RT. The question is,
> > can Ducasse play G and not get Sanchez killed ???
>
> Slausson looked like crap early on last year. He got up to mediocre.
> > Slauson would also be a much better run blocking RT. The question is,
> > can Ducasse play G and not get Sanchez killed ???
>
>
>
>
> > May be try that guy they got from GB at LG and stick Slason at RT.
> > They have to figure somthing out as Hunter does not appear to be up to
> > it.
>
> ???
>
>
> > May be try that guy they got from GB at LG and stick Slason at RT.
> > They have to figure somthing out as Hunter does not appear to be up to
> > it.
>
>
> Hunter played vs a guy that had almost 16 sacks last year. Take a
> deep breath.
slauson has move leverage than hunter. hunter also had his problems
in the preseason. again... i'm not sure about hunter, but he has not
been looking good. i thought he was going to be at least a great pass
blocker after the chicago game last season when he shut down peppers.
i think i was in error. also... slauson is not twinkle toes, but you
are over stating his slow feet. hunter is hopeless as a run blocker.
the jets could not run to the outside of the left due to brick. not
they cant run outside to the right either. it is a serious problem
Papa Carl
Sep 12, 2011, 9:01:04 PM9/12/11
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"John C TX" <johnc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hunter did not appear to be as good as I expected as a pass blocker.
> Part of that could be that he was going agaisnt an outstanding pass
> rusher.
>
> If things continue to look that badly with Hunter at RT, they coudl
> try...
>
> Ducasse at LG and Slauson at RT.
The Queen Mary could turn faster than Slausson.
>
>
> Ducasse looked a lot better at the G position and Slauson has played
> in every single position along the line...
>
> I know at least Slauson can do the job at RT much better than Hunter.
> in every single position along the line...
>
> I know at least Slauson can do the job at RT much better than Hunter.
Why as he can't move side to side?
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He engages but lets guys over power him...he can move his feet, but he is
not persistent in maintaining contact...
> Slauson would also be a much better run blocking RT. The question is,
> can Ducasse play G and not get Sanchez killed ???
Slausson looked like crap early on last year. He got up to mediocre.
>
>
> May be try that guy they got from GB at LG and stick Slason at RT.
> They have to figure somthing out as Hunter does not appear to be up to
> it.
> They have to figure somthing out as Hunter does not appear to be up to
> it.
???
Hunter played vs a guy that had almost 16 sacks last year. Take a
deep breath.
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Hunter played vs a guy that had almost 16 sacks last year. Take a
deep breath.
But Ware ripped D'Brick too...I think the whole O line is weak and maybe
it's the schemes they are attempting to execute...not sure.
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Papa Carl
Sep 13, 2011, 1:22:05 AM9/13/11
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Ware rips everyone. 15.5 sacks last year....
Ferguson & Moore are good. Mangold is very good. Slausson is OK. We
will find out whatHunter can do but like I posted elsewhere Woody
always needed Hunter or an extra TE to just look bad.
Won't argue with any of that..but for some of us realists, that is precisely
why we worry...they have not put a high priority on the O line as they have
other areas. If it's all this win now stuff...they should have gotten a
couple big time lineman aboard somehow. Guys like Ducasse and such are not
going to get it done.
Ferguson & Moore are good. Mangold is very good. Slausson is OK. We
will find out whatHunter can do but like I posted elsewhere Woody
always needed Hunter or an extra TE to just look bad.
Won't argue with any of that..but for some of us realists, that is precisely
why we worry...they have not put a high priority on the O line as they have
other areas. If it's all this win now stuff...they should have gotten a
couple big time lineman aboard somehow. Guys like Ducasse and such are not
going to get it done.
John C TX
Sep 13, 2011, 8:32:09 AM9/13/11
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On Sep 13, 12:22 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:c9bec33e-55d2-4922...@bi2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
Which is why I always tempered my criticism of Schott.
Ducasse may still come around right in time to sign his extension.
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:c9bec33e-55d2-4922...@bi2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
Ducasse may still come around right in time to sign his extension.
John C TX
Sep 13, 2011, 8:34:50 AM9/13/11
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Slaussson plays guard he is not usually asked to go backwards. As for
his feet he ran into the RB as often as he got to his blocking
assignment when asked to pull last year . He is OK if Hunter plays at
that level we will be OK.
graybeard
Sep 13, 2011, 10:57:54 AM9/13/11
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he is), and Tanny are really very good at talent evaluation. Mangold and
D'Brick were no-brainers who were ranked at the top of their positions
coming out of college, but I have not been overly impressed with the
lower level draft picks, and the entire 2010 draft looks like a wash-out
at this time.
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graybeard
Michael
Sep 13, 2011, 11:18:44 AM9/13/11
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kyle wilson from boise state ?!?!?! who does boise play ??? little
sisters of the poor ??? and ducasse fom massachusetts ?!?!?! you are
needlessly betting agaisnt the odds with those guys from those
schools. you have to pay them the same as any other first and second
round draft choice. both were stupid picks.
Michael
Sep 13, 2011, 11:15:04 AM9/13/11
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Slason played guard, tackle and center while he was a husker. i'm
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sure he can take a step backwards and hold his arms out. i am not
saying that slauson is a better tackle than guard. not at all. i am
suggesting a possible emergency measure. my worry is that the jets
will not be able to run outside on the right side now with hunter
there. they already avoid going outside the left tackle because of
brick's poor run blocking. consider what a defense will do vs the
jets if they are not able to run outside either tackle now.
John C TX
Sep 13, 2011, 1:04:46 PM9/13/11
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bigger problem for us is we need to keep our picks to increase our
odds.
Wilson not looking good maybe = nickel
Ducasse ?? I don't know he will get good as his contract expires.
McKnight ?? I guess after that game vs. Buffalo I am holding out hope.
They knew that he was running it & behind stiffs he did it.
Conner starting FB for years
John C TX
Sep 13, 2011, 1:25:51 PM9/13/11
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> i am not
> saying that slauson is a better tackle than guard. not at all. i am
> suggesting a possible emergency measure. my worry is that the jets
> will not be able to run outside on the right side now with hunter
> there. they already avoid going outside the left tackle because of
> brick's poor run blocking. consider what a defense will do vs the
> jets if they are not able to run outside either tackle now.
Schott calling different plays???
LT had some early success last year.
Maybe Rob Ryan just had a good game plan and he does have some
players.
Michael
Sep 13, 2011, 2:50:52 PM9/13/11
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we have a bit of an argument that it is no wonder that Ware smoked
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hunter. the guys on the ends for the jags are mincey and kampman.
neither are quite in ware's league, but both are very good players and
are capable of giving a hard time to most any offensive tackle. it
will be a fair test for hunter this coming sunday. i wont be at the
game though. sold my sets for this game as i have a family function to
go to. perhaps we can get report from someone else.
i was high on hunter after the chicago game last year, but he lost me
in the preseason this year and did not look worse last week... lets
see what he can do against what we can call a fair test.
Papa Carl
Sep 13, 2011, 6:16:52 PM9/13/11
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That crap is how much "he's coming on" talk and hype a player gets from a
coach, esp. the HC...if they talk him up all the time, they are reluctant to
turn around and say he is a total bust...that's just how it
works...egos...huge egos.
That crap is how much "he's coming on" talk and hype a player gets from a
coach, esp. the HC...if they talk him up all the time, they are reluctant to
turn around and say he is a total bust...that's just how it
works...egos...huge egos.
Papa Carl
Sep 13, 2011, 6:23:32 PM9/13/11
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They were blitzing inside too...so the normal reaction would have been to
hit the perimeter..I'm guessing it is a problem with getting someone out
there...even from all the discussion in here...they don't have that person.
Look at all the teams who use even a center who moves to the outside. All
the good perimeter teams have good O lineman...we're discussing if they can
pass block let alone pull and lead on the perimeter..that is why this all
seems really serious to me. I have NO clue how you fix that problem. There
is no scheme to deal with it, you simply need good O lineman...and Mangold
and Brick are it I think.
hit the perimeter..I'm guessing it is a problem with getting someone out
there...even from all the discussion in here...they don't have that person.
Look at all the teams who use even a center who moves to the outside. All
the good perimeter teams have good O lineman...we're discussing if they can
pass block let alone pull and lead on the perimeter..that is why this all
seems really serious to me. I have NO clue how you fix that problem. There
is no scheme to deal with it, you simply need good O lineman...and Mangold
and Brick are it I think.
Michael
Sep 13, 2011, 10:17:41 PM9/13/11
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On Sep 13, 6:23 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:f9bcc303-356c-47d8...@x21g2000prd.googlegroups.com...> and Brick are it I think.- Hide quoted text -
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> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:f9bcc303-356c-47d8...@x21g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
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with the line that included brick, faneca, mangold, moore, d. woody...
the big play was:
moore pushes the DT in front of him forward in no frills fassion,
mangold pushes his guy to his left, faneca pulls to his right and
clears the backer, woody pushes the defensive end or olb to his right
and ties him up. thomas jones goes through the moore hole either in
the *a* or *b* gap and to the right where faneca has cut of the lb.
they ran that or a variation of that a dozen times a game.
the problem now...
no faneca to pull and no d. woody to muscle up the end and seal the
inside lane.
you can have one "no frills" hole blaster at the G spot so long as
your other G can do other things. It is also OK if you have a very
good pass blocking LT who does not run block so well if the RT is able
to sustain your outside run on his side. with the current jets line,
slauson and moore are both no frills straight ahead run blockers that
dont pull and hunter is not a good run blocking RT. it looks like it
adds up to a problem. they will have to be "air jets" this year.
set up the inside run with the pass. probably the only hope with this
current group to run an offense that produces from game to game. it
is going to be a mess when they play teams with very good db's
Papa Carl
Sep 13, 2011, 11:33:06 PM9/13/11
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the big play was:
the problem now...
I'm still so old school that to me a guard is not a gurad if he can't pull
and be effective. But you described it well. But please stop using the
term G spot...not in reference to football.
graybeard
Sep 14, 2011, 1:45:46 PM9/14/11
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>Wilson not looking good maybe = nickel
>Ducasse ?? I don't know he will get good as his contract expires.
>McKnight ?? I guess after that game vs. Buffalo I am holding out hope.
>They knew that he was running it & behind stiffs he did it.
>Conner starting FB for years
a dime a dozen. Connor seems to be a pretty good one, but the hype
surrounding him is mostly the result of his backstory as created by Rex
on "Hard Knocks".
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graybeard
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