Re: Brick & Gholston in the car with Braylon...
RickyBobby
"buRford" <buR...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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> And this is why I want him off the team. Brick & Gholston have been
> clean... now they're
> pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous players, getting
> pissed.
> This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight clubhouse.
> It aint all about Edwards & our depleted WR corps.
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> Jets teammates disappointed -- but 'not surprised' -- by Braylon Edwards'
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Nothing good ever happens after 5:00AM when you are still out from the night
before. The story says that he registered a .16 and that it pretty far
drunk. He should not have been driving with that much alcohol in him.
And he had some other players in there with him so the team could have
really been hurt in there had been an accident.
But it was his first offense of that nature so maybe the NFL will not do
anything.
Michael
> "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
for a guy his size, how many drinks do you need in you to blow a .
16 ???
RickyBobby
"Michael" <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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It sounded like it may have been a fourteen hour binge and drinks wear off
at about the rate of one per hour. But he may not have been drinking at all
during the fan event and went to power drinking after the public part was
over. So if you figure the nine hour time frame it would be about like
drinking a twelve pack of twelve ounce beers or maybe up to fifteen. That
would also be like about 10 3/4 ounce shots of Patrone.
Just for fun I look up a bac calculator for Edwards weight and it said nine
standard cocktails over nine hours would be .157 bac so my guesswork was
pretty close.
Anyhow, the Jets are one of the few big media darling teams outside of New
Orleans so I predict that the NFL will tread pretty lightly on the whole
personal conduct policy. They can be as arbitrary as they want since the
NFL players have the worst union in the history of unions. But in this case
it can actually work in the player's favor. Arbitrary works both ways.
And there is always the chance of the charges being dropped altogether which
would be excellent because the police did not have a reason to pull him
over.
papa.carl44
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Wrong...if you even come close to swerving, cross a line, drive too slow at
5AM...and when you are pulled over and have booze in your system all bets
are off, they no longer need a reason, the booze just gave it to them.
yoyodog
FYI this is why he was pulled over in the first place:
www.ehow.com/about_5262688_new-state-window-tint-laws.html
Totally absurb yet totally legit
RickyBobby
"papa.carl44" <papad...@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
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NBA star Scottie Pippen picked up one of them DUI charges and a couple of
days later the charges just disappeared. It can and does happen.
RickyBobby
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RickyBobby
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Something just tells me that the enforcement of this law mainly is directed
at people like Braylon Edwards, if you know what I mean. I doubt that
limos have a medical exemption or that any limos get cited either.
Harlan Lachman
"papa.carl44" <papad...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
Not to mention the illegally tinted windows.
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Ritchie
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> Wrong...if you even come close to swerving, cross a line, drive too slow at
> 5AM...and when you are pulled over and have booze in your system all bets
I hate to disappoint you papa but as a former police officer I can
tell you for a fact that when it involves well known people
(celebrities, sports figures and so on) I have seen DWI charges
disappear within a couple of weeks of the initial arrest. The rich are
very pwerful and can buy almost anything they want. Not to mention
they can afford the very best lawyers that will pick on the most minor
thing that was done wrong and convince a DA or a judge to drop the
charges. It happens all the time!
papa.carl44
And was Pippen in Chicago?????? Dead people vote there. There are ways to
have a charge dropped, but if you are as seriously under the influence as he
was it ain't gonna happen.
papa.carl44
You think that law is absurd???? So it's OK to ask a cop to walk up to a
vehicle he can't see into? Nope...with what is going on nowadays, I want a
police officer to be able to see the gun pointed at him.
RickyBobby
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Just wishful thinking.
Ritchie
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Not absurd at all. As a retired police officer I cant even tell you
how many times I went up to a vehicle I had stopped that had dark
tinted windows and I was wondering was this it? Is this guy hiding a
gun behind the window? Am I going to get shot and killed? There is no
reason to have that dark of a tint unless the person is hiding
something. After I would investigate the situation I would always
issue a summons for the tinted windows which in NYC was an easy win
summons because the burden of proof lies with the defendant. In other
words he has to prove that the percentage of tint is legal. I never
lost any summonses that i issued, a record that i am proud of.
BicketyBam
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> On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog" <connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
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I agree that dark tint should be illegal, but the legal limit in NY is
so light that you might as well not even tint your windows. It would be
a waste of money.
papa.carl44
I hear ya...but ultimately it will probably be best if the idiot gets
stomped on by this. He needs to grow up and the longer he waits the harder
it gets. He has an edge to him that looks like trouble, and that can really
hurt susceptible team mates...that does worry me. Guys like him, and he has
a history of this, divide those around them...it's never their fault and
always a victim of circumstance etc. That can kill a team. And Vernon is
finally starting to come around...he doesn't need a bad influence.
yoyodog
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> You think that law is absurd???? So it's OK to ask a cop to walk up to a
> vehicle he can't see into? Nope...with what is going on nowadays, I want
> a police officer to be able to see the gun pointed at him.
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The absurdity is that it has come to this. The legitimacy is the reasons
you post about. Like a red light being put in an intersection or a railroad
gate being put at a crossing only after a horrible crash has killed someone.
papa.carl44
Understood....actually if I think about it....it's been a long time since I
did something in a car that I didn't want anyone on the outside to
see....and when I was doing that, the car was not in motion. With all his
money I'd think he could get a room for that purpose...so, why do we need
tinted windows? Answer, so they appear to be gansters and cool :-)
Michael
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in ny/nj yes... in the soutwest you have a legit reason for window
tint. i've been to az a number of times and i saw it all over the
place. i dont know what the law is there about dark window tint, but
if they have one there, no way do they enforce it.
papa.carl44
Michael, I've spent time in the Southwest too...my wife's sister lives in
NM....and yes, it is sunny, and hot...but you do not need super dark tinted
windows to survive there......and if you park the car you can put up a
screen if it gets to you that much....I completely agree with protecting law
enforcement people, and the level of tint we're talking about is all about
hiding something.
MZ
Whoa, you absolutely DO need mega tint in the southwest. I've seen
stuff melt that you wouldn't think could melt in a car. :)
I sympathize with law enforcement, but I think it's silly for the entire
populace to have to sacrifice something very useful (and green!) just
because of the extremely rare number of people out there who are
inclined to shoot cops. If a cop truly can't see through the window,
then he should get on the loudspeaker and tell the guy to get out of the
car or to roll the windows down before he approaches the vehicle.
Also, there are certain groups of people who have problems with
excessive sun who should be able to get medical clearance to tint their
windows beyond the legal limit. I don't know if all states allow for
this, but they should, at least under ADA.
Personally, I think the window tint thing and the car accessory thing is
another excuse to pull people over for DWB.
Deadmeat
> "Michael"<mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Sep 21, 9:27 pm, Ritchie<ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog"<connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "buRford"<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>> news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42...@4ax.com...> And this is why I
>>>>>>> clean... now they're
>>>>>>> pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous players,
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> pissed.
>>>>>>> This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
>>>>>>> clubhouse.
1, it keeps the car cooler, and 2, I like the way it looks.
I ain't hiding a damn thing.
Deadmeat
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> others aren't. Grown adults with dark tinted windows are just adults
> that haven't matured yet and still think like they are in JHS.
It doesn't mean the are hiding something either.
I use it more for the heat than anything, and if I didn't like the way
it looked I'd still use it. Also, I never had it in JHS, but thanks for
being a dickhead.
MZ
Yeah, it has an OBVIOUS utility (maybe not so obvious to northerners...
who could still benefit btw). It's not like spinning rims or other
"status" modifications. I don't see why people hate it so much. I,
personally, don't like the way it looks but would consider having it
done if the price was right. Then again, I'd probably become a cop
magnet, so no thanks. :)
Michael
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lm getting used to you contradicting me even when i'm right :-)
window tint in the sun belt is very common and very useful. you cant
keep a piece of cardboard up when you are driving. yit is too much
trouble to use a cover on every window. the sun is strong enough there
to destroy the material that dash boards, steering wheels and seats
are made of. it is strong enough to burn your skin if you have been
driving long enough with the sun on you. may be we should just make a
law to keep cars off the road all together to protect cops. if you
want to make a push to protect law enforcement in AZ and NM, forget
about window tint ask the fed to get on board and help them with the
boarder issues.
Harlan Lachman
Deadmeat <no...@home.com> wrote:
Not to mention tinting can hide athletes who are just driving so folks
don't recognize them and do stupid stuff to get their attention or pay
them back for some perceived threat or slip-up.
harlan
Deadmeat
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Michael<mjd...@verizon.net>
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>> window tint...is...very useful.
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> And so much safer when driving at night! Might as well be wearing a bag
> over your head.
I don't have any problem seeing out at night. Now if the light is on in
the car, then it's a problem, but who drives like that?
Michael
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
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> >window tint...is...very useful.
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> And so much safer when driving at night! Might as well be wearing a bag
> over your head.
> graybeard
obviously, you have little or no experience with this sort of thing.
if you did, you would know that "limo" tint is not an obstruction of
vision at night. and no... i don't have dark tinted windows on any of
my three cars... i dont have any reason for it and i dont like the way
it looks. i know that the world does not revolve around what i need
and like.
Ritchie
> It would have been better for public safety if they had let Gholston
> drive. At least then they could be confident that he wouldn't hit
> anybody. ;-)
LOL!!!
MZ
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Michael <mjd...@verizon.net>
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>> On Sep 23, 6:11 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> window tint...is...very useful.
>>> And so much safer when driving at night! Might as well be wearing a bag
>>> over your head.
>>> --
>>> graybeard
>> obviously, you have little or no experience with this sort of thing.
>> if you did, you would know that "limo" tint is not an obstruction of
>> vision at night.
>
> the laws of physics are different from the one I reside in, it's a
> simple matter of optics. The less light that strikes the eye, the poorer
> the vision will be. See, that's why we don't see as well at night as we
> do during the day. Ever walk into a dimly lit room while wearing
> sunglasses, and then take them off so you can see better?
I'd like to see you answer Michael's accusation. Have you ever driven a
car with lots of tint? Because I tend to concur with Michael here ...
your posts sound like you haven't tried it before. If you do, I think
you'll find that it's really not very hard driving with tint, assuming
the tint job is done properly. I've heard of some really shitty tints.
This isn't really a matter of physics, per se. It's a matter of vision
-- our eyes (and brains) are highly nonlinear. We actually do really
well at a lot of things at night, especially when you consider that the
difference between a dimly lit room and sunlight can be several log
units. This is a ton of light that's no longer reaching our eyes, yet
most people see perfectly fine in an artificially lit room (at least,
after they've had time to adapt). Thankfully, our eyes don't behave
linearly, or we wouldn't be able to see shit at 4 in the afternoon,
nevermind at night! :)
Anyway, light levels are the least of our problems at night. Contrast
and glare are the big problems. Compare driving at night to driving at
night in a rainstorm on new asphalt. Hell, I sometimes reach for the
sunglasses when those assholes approach with their stupid HID lights...
Michael
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
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> >On Sep 23, 6:11 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> >> wrote:
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> >> >window tint...is...very useful.
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> >> And so much safer when driving at night! Might as well be wearing a bag
> >> over your head.
> >> --
> >> graybeard
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> >obviously, you have little or no experience with this sort of thing.
> >if you did, you would know that "limo" tint is not an obstruction of
> >vision at night.
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> the laws of physics are different from the one I reside in, it's a
> simple matter of optics. The less light that strikes the eye, the poorer
> the vision will be. See, that's why we don't see as well at night as we
> do during the day. Ever walk into a dimly lit room while wearing
> sunglasses, and then take them off so you can see better?
> graybeard
"crap" is what your argument is full of... since more light seems to
be what you think is best... go and have a good look straight at the
sun. straight into it... after you have been in low light for a
while. real good, huh ??? with light, your eye works alot like like
the "f-stop" on a camera. the key to taking a good image with your
eye or with a camera is not "the more light the better" ... the key is
consistent light exposure for the f-stop settings of your camera or
the apeture that your eye has adjusted to. you can more than enough
light to drive in the evening with very dark window tint. your eye
knows what f-stop setting it needs. you would have problems at night
if you did not have enough of a filter to block sudden high levels of
light that might occur from other light sources like oncoming cars.
much the way you see your cell phone/digital camera display go white
when the light level gets very high. If you ask any limo drivers that
you might know, ALL of them will tell you that they prefer night
driving in the limo vs. their own personal cars that do not livery
tint.
MZ
x2 Contrast is what it's all about.
Thing is, I'd be willing to bet that 90% of you operate at non-optimum
contrast conditions at night. The goddamn light show that most modern
cars call dashboards and radios can be distracting. And how many of you
clean your windshields every day?
Lots of factors way more important than absolute light levels...
MZ
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:38:13 -0400 MZ <ma...@nospam.void> wrote:
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>> I'd like to see you answer Michael's accusation. Have you ever driven a
>> car with lots of tint?
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> far. The rear side windows of my van are very heavily tinted - you have
> to put your nose against the glass outside to see anything inside. I can
> certainly tell the difference when I look through those windows from
> inside the vehicle at night.
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>> This isn't really a matter of physics, per se. It's a matter of vision
>> -- our eyes (and brains) are highly nonlinear. We actually do really
>> well at a lot of things at night, especially when you consider that the
>> difference between a dimly lit room and sunlight can be several log
>> units. This is a ton of light that's no longer reaching our eyes, yet
>> most people see perfectly fine in an artificially lit room (at least,
>> after they've had time to adapt). Thankfully, our eyes don't behave
>> linearly, or we wouldn't be able to see shit at 4 in the afternoon,
>> nevermind at night! :)
>>
>> Anyway, light levels are the least of our problems at night. Contrast
>> and glare are the big problems. Compare driving at night to driving at
>> night in a rainstorm on new asphalt.
>
> on whether a heavy tint affects night vision until someone shows me some
> scientific test data to the contrary.
Of course it affects night vision. My point was that its effect is
relatively small compared to the other things we have to deal with. Let
me put it this way ... if tint filters the visible light by attenuating
it by 10x, for example, then that's chump change compared to the
reduction in light by a factor of millions, which is what happens when
the sun goes down. Am I underestimating the amount of light that tint
cuts down? Maybe. But keep in mind that a significant portion of the
light that's filtered (with good tint, at least) is long wavelength
light -- "red". At night, your visual system makes some use of rods,
which are relatively insensitive to those wavelengths. So even though
it's filtering out a lot of light during the daytime, it's not filtering
out much of the light that we're using at night. Except for
illumination (lights and stuff), which we probably want to filter out
anyway to reduce contrast.
I'd also argue that the individual variability of our eyes is a much
bigger factor than tint. That young punk with all that tint can STILL
see better in the dark than you and I can. :)
>> Hell, I sometimes reach for the
>> sunglasses when those assholes approach with their stupid HID lights...
>
> I hate those fuckers, especially the yahoos in SUV's who come right up
> behind me with their bazillion footcandle lights mounted at the same
> height as my rear window. I feel like I'm under one of those police
> helicopter spotlights.
Yet another reason to hate SUVs. Like we didn't have enough already.
papa.carl44
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
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If the windows are tinted that dark...how do they know who is in the car?
papa.carl44
The average border patrol officer makes about $62,000 a year...the town I
live in has an average police salary of $108,000 a year....and most of the
people screaming about the border are also saying government should be
smaller. I flat out don't give a damn...go ahead and tint your windows as
dark as you want. I still think it's an issue for police officers
approaching a vehicle. And, I think border patrol officers are in a lot more
danger than the guys in this suburban town. I think we should put a lot of
effort into the border...but how does smaller government do that?
MZ
Stereotyping. Ask yourself this. Why is it illegal in most states to
blast your bass music at 115dB, but perfectly legal to have 115dB pipes
on your motorcycle?
papa.carl44
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
My next door neighbor got nailed for his Harley, just starting it up in the
driveway.....the local cops made a huge issue out of it...I'm not saying
they don't profile...they do...and I think it is horrendous....I also think
the pipes should be banned.
Deadmeat
> my limit. Trust me, I'm OK to drive hoJust goes to show that people
> will believe whatever suits their agenda or convenience, regardless of
> facts.
And you're using the "I don't know what I'm talking about" routine. As
I said, I have no, none, nada problems with being able to see at night.
I'm sorry if you do.
It's funny, aren't you doing the same thing with your agenda?
MZ
Yeah, but there's definitely some, shall we say, inconsistencies in
enforcement.
Michael
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papa.... i am almost always pro cop. i am not saying that it is not a
danger to cops. i agree with the law against dark window tint here in
the norteast. you have to ballance freedom vs control wisely. i
think it is wise to control it up here. im just saying that down in
the sunbelt, the stuff has a real use. we want our cops to be safe,
but im not sure if it is fair or wise to make people down in those
blistering sun states to give up dark window tint. and ditto with all
you have said about the boarder officers. we've all had our say in
here about that... after going around and around in here and all of us
making suggestions, most would like to see the military put to the
task.
papa.carl44
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
Absolutely. I'm in the latter half of my 60's :-) My son if a Federal law
enforcement agent with a very dangerous job, I believe in supporting these
people but things have really changed on some levels. Once upon a time I
would turn to a police officer in an instant for help on something relevant,
now I feel a sense of anxiety or fear if any of the locals even come near
me. We have been robbed, and were witness to a crime and the way we were
treated was dispicable. I have lost a sense of trust in what goes on now
and I would not go to local law enforcement for anything after what I've
seen and experienced first hand.
papa.carl44
You don't need the military, they are stretched way too think anyway and
they are not trained to do that job. The Border Patrol is very well
trained, but they need the numbers and the equipment to do the job and on
top of that we need agencies to stop the employers HERE who bring people
across to work in their factories, warehouses and whatever. Then...for
those who come to do a lot of jobs that most citizens will not do we need to
find a way to let them stay here legally. The rational solutions are not
that difficult to come to...what is difficult is getting some rational
people to address it. And some have stated that the stopping a car with
tinted windows is profiling...and I'll bet some of those folks love the
Arizona law. Consistency is hard to come by in our culture today.
Democracy is a bitch when it works for the other guy.
MZ
> "Michael"<mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Sep 23, 11:23 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sep 23, 12:06 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>> wrote:
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>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Sep 21, 9:27 pm, Ritchie<ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog"<connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>> "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "buRford"<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42...@4ax.com...> And this is
>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> clean... now they're
>>>>>>>>> pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous
>>>>>>>>> players,
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> pissed.
>>>>>>>>> This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
>>>>>>>>> clubhouse.
Not sure if this is directed to me or not, but I oppose stopping people
for tinted windows AND the Arizona law. In general, I don't like the
idea of people getting hassled when they're minding their own business.
papa.carl44
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
Mark..it wasn't at all...I think I've come to know where you are on this.
And we agree completely on the Arizona law. I don't think people should be
stopped for tinted windows either....but if the state has to inspect and
register a car it should have some standards. That is the place to deal
with this stuff. I'll go along that a window may be in the legal limits and
will still get pulled over. I find all of that stuff offensive too. I'd
love to share some stuff with you, but I don't think this is a good place.
I agree, someone just being themselves and not bothering anybody should be
left alone. A couple of months ago I answered my cellphone while driving, I
got stopped and as I should have got a ticket. What bothered me was not my
own stupidity for using the phone wihile driving, but the way I was treated
by the police officer...it was as over the top as could be imagined. It's a
weird world we live in. And yes, they are not the same "public servants"
they once were. I SHOULD have gotten a ticket, I did wrong, but I should
also be treated with some respect and dignity. When I shared my experienc
with a businessman in the same area he told me to just pay it, don't
complain or you will get harrassed every time you come here. The city near
here has one of the worst gang problems in the country, and most definitely
worst in the state...so they have to act like a swat team with a cellphone
violation?
Michael
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the military is stretched too thin, alright... and i also agre that
the boarder patrol is being asked to piss up a rope. they are set up
to fail. between the liberal vote and the desire for cheap labor, the
guys/groups that are really pulling the strings dont want the boarder
patrol to suceed no matter what lip service they pay. i want the
government to represent the people first off, and i want the military
charged to assist the boarder patrol. of course, the military needs to
first be unencumbered with current "adventures", but i dont see any
reason why they cant help. they are getting paid/funded to provide
national defense. that includes protection against unarmed invasion.
but i agree with what you are saying. everything depends on political
will.
MZ
> On Sep 25, 12:04 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
> wrote:
>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> news:9c364026-6cc8-4361...@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 23, 11:23 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>> wrote:
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>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Sep 23, 12:06 pm, "papa.carl44"<papadotc...@nospamverizon.net>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>>> On Sep 21, 9:27 pm, Ritchie<ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> On Sep 21, 8:17 pm, "yoyodog"<connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 6:42 pm, "RickyBobby"<nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "buRford"<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>> news:jn6i961jh59cl1t42...@4ax.com...> And this is
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> clean... now they're
>>>>>>>>>> pulled into this crap. And then you have the anonymous
>>>>>>>>>> players,
>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>> pissed.
>>>>>>>>>> This whole thing can lead to factions in an otherwise tight
>>>>>>>>>> clubhouse.
The military is already assisting. This is where a lot of this new
money that Obama diverted to the task is going. It's just shitloads of
money for only a few hundred (!!!) military personnel. These guys don't
come cheap. I'm not sure, but they're probably getting deployment pay.
A guy I know averages six figures when he's deployed (he's never been
deployed for a whole year though).
papa.carl44
I'm not sure where you think the "liberal" vote comes in. If you let some
of these people have guest worker status and a path to citizenship you
eliminate a lot of what is going on. The other HUGE issue is dealing with
the drugs coming this way and the weapons going the other way. The border
is not secure in either direction, almost all the weaonry being used be La
Eme and other agents of the cartels are coming from here and our own street
gangs have gone into a major business in that area too. That is a huge
issue, problem and it is part of the whole picture. I think a bigger
problem is politicos not wanting to stop the traffic because they want the
exploitable cheap labor.
papa.carl44
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
I don't think they get deployment pay inside the US. I do know the Border
Patrol gets jack squat for pay and they are way undermanned. Quite a few of
them were taken after 9/11 and made air marshalls.....I heard a comedian say
that if there is a flooding problem in New Orleans, and an alligator problem
in Florida...dig a huge moat along the border, send the dirt to the levees
and fill the moat with alligators...it's more proactive then what is
currently going on.
MZ
Well, whatever it is, it's costing a whole lot. Obama increased border
spending by like 20% or something, and it only minimally added
personnel. I think it's a symptom of how government works these days --
spend a whole lot, add a bunch of paper pushers, fail to achieve the
stated goals. I don't have much confidence in their ability to get
anything done, personally. Especially something of this magnitude.
papa.carl44
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
I'd agree with that. Look at the money hemorhage in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I read this article today about handing out kites to Afghan kids...it turned
into a disaster with the police stealing the kites and beating the kids, yet
the private company assigned to handle this PR, build ideas of democracy
event handed out the kites and comic books so they felt it was a success.
We probably paid premium prices for that stuff too...make crap in China, we
buy it, sent it to Afghanistan and give it away....brilliant.
MZ
Haha that's exactly right. Kite-makers probably had a bad fiscal year
last year so they lobbied Washington to implement this program to the
tune of our tax dollars. That encapsulates basically the entire
political system from top to bottom right there.
Copp
is that it make it impossible for witnesses to identify
road-rage assholes, jackasses and hit-and-run perpetrators.
It also encourages the jackasses (mostly teenagers) to
be jerks on the road to the locals who then can't identify
them even though they would know them otherwise. I'm
strongly in favor of tint laws.
Michael
i was in az not too long ago on a business trip. one of the guys
there i was meeting with had a mother of pearl escalade with dark
window tint. obviously, i gave a bit of thought to his "questionable"
taste... still... this fellow was an adult, well educated and a
successfull business owner. not the kind of guy that wants to "hide
somthing" inside his car. lots of people there had dark window tint
because of the sun. again... in some areas like up here in ny/nj, i
dont think you have such a big use for window tint. in those areas, i
can see why you would ban it. it is over the top to think that people
in the sun belt only want window tint to hide somthing. mho
MZ
This is what license plates are for.
MZ
Guilty until proven innocent in this country, Michael.
papa.carl44
"MZ" <ma...@nospam.void> wrote in message
The company hired to promote "democratic ideas" envisioned all these kites
flying with the mountains in the background. All the kites had phrases on
them that encouraged self government etc. When they tried to hand them out,
the police took most of them, and even parents took them away from girls and
gave them to boys. My guess would be that someone in the PR company had a
cousin who bought a ton of crap to sell at the beach and got rid of it this
way, comic books about government were part of it too. The books probably
became toilet paper.