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Johnny Morongo
Nov 18, 2012, 4:16:21 PM11/18/12
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On 11/18/2012 1:08 PM, buRford wrote:
> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup.
> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff.
>
> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game.
> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive.
> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ?
> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis??
>
> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!*
> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some
> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his
> promising beginning.
>
> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win.
> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help.
> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft
> picks, has run its course.
>
> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are
> all healthy, & fruitful!!!
>
Peep this, stranger. Who are you anyway?
> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup.
> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff.
>
> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game.
> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive.
> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ?
> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis??
>
> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!*
> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some
> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his
> promising beginning.
>
> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win.
> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help.
> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft
> picks, has run its course.
>
> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are
> all healthy, & fruitful!!!
>
Peep this, stranger. Who are you anyway?
yoyodog
Nov 18, 2012, 10:07:39 PM11/18/12
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alt.blahblah.ny.jets has been a ghost town this year. You are not alone.
Sparano has made me wish we still had Schotty but today cemented the status
that Sparano was an improvemenmt. Barely, but an improvement.
Give Rex a pass, jettison Tanny or send him upstairs to crunch numbers, get
a real O coordinator. Send T-bone on his way, and see if you can salvage
Sanchez... He's not the answer but he sure as hell is better that T-bone.
With a new GM, focus 100% on building an O-Line that can protect the QB and
give him more than 2 seconds to throw. If that doesn't work next year,
start over again.
>"buRford" wrote in message
>news:2jiia8ls6nqocv34a...@4ax.com...
Sparano has made me wish we still had Schotty but today cemented the status
that Sparano was an improvemenmt. Barely, but an improvement.
Give Rex a pass, jettison Tanny or send him upstairs to crunch numbers, get
a real O coordinator. Send T-bone on his way, and see if you can salvage
Sanchez... He's not the answer but he sure as hell is better that T-bone.
With a new GM, focus 100% on building an O-Line that can protect the QB and
give him more than 2 seconds to throw. If that doesn't work next year,
start over again.
>"buRford" wrote in message
>news:2jiia8ls6nqocv34a...@4ax.com...
johnctxjets
Nov 19, 2012, 8:15:38 AM11/19/12
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On 11/18/2012 3:08 PM, buRford wrote:
> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup.
> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff.
>
> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game.
> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive.
> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ?
That really only happened in year 1 & 3. Did they even score during
> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup.
> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff.
>
> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game.
> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive.
> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ?
Clemens, ex-Cowboy cokehead year?
> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis??
in NY no QB.
>
> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!*
> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some
> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his
> promising beginning.
>
> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win.
> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help.
> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft
> picks, has run its course.
>
> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are
> all healthy, & fruitful!!!
>
Good to see you back.
> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!*
> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some
> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his
> promising beginning.
>
> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win.
> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help.
> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft
> picks, has run its course.
>
> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are
> all healthy, & fruitful!!!
>
My cat killed a bird this morning he is happy.
graybeard
Nov 19, 2012, 4:56:31 PM11/19/12
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On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:08:06 -0500, buRford <buR...@buR.ford.com>
vanished to. Thought maybe you were off searching for inner peace in Sri
Lanka or some other mysterious venue. Sounds like you might have found
some somewhere, but you had to set foot in the quagmire again, didn't
you? As Michael Corleone said, "Just when I thought I was out, they pull
me back in."
--
graybeard
wrote:
>Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup.
>...
>Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup.
>Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are
>all healthy, & fruitful!!!
Sentiments reciprocated. Was just wondering the other day where you
>all healthy, & fruitful!!!
vanished to. Thought maybe you were off searching for inner peace in Sri
Lanka or some other mysterious venue. Sounds like you might have found
some somewhere, but you had to set foot in the quagmire again, didn't
you? As Michael Corleone said, "Just when I thought I was out, they pull
me back in."
--
graybeard
papacarl
Nov 19, 2012, 5:25:20 PM11/19/12
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"buRford" wrote in message
news:2jiia8ls6nqocv34a...@4ax.com...
Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I
was a pup.
was a pup.
Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff.
But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game.
Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their
first drive.
Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ?
But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game.
Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their
first drive.
Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ?
Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St
Louis??
Louis??
So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has
*it!*
Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be
showing some
signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez,
since his
promising beginning.
Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they
win.
But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure
help.
Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few
quality draft
picks, has run its course.
*it!*
Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be
showing some
signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez,
since his
promising beginning.
Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they
win.
But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure
help.
Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few
quality draft
picks, has run its course.
Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, &
furry friends are
all healthy, & fruitful!!!
*******************************
furry friends are
all healthy, & fruitful!!!
Good to hear from you. We did that annual event yesterday...the one you
came to a couple years ago. Lisa says "Hi"...she was
awesome as ever. I only got to see bits and pieces of the game when it was
on in the bar in the other end of the venue. We did
raise a whole bunch of money. It was really the best one so far.
I'm kind of with you...I can not get interested / invested in following this
team anymore....Woody selling would help a lot I think.
With this win and another couple they will "stay the course", and it will go
on, and on, and on, and on :-) Thank God there is music and
blondes.
JKConey
Nov 19, 2012, 8:41:54 PM11/19/12
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On 11/18/2012 4:08 PM, buRford wrote:
> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup.
> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff.
>
> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game.
> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive.
> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ?
> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis??
>
> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!*
> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some
> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his
> promising beginning.
>
> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win.
> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help.
> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft
> picks, has run its course.
>
> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are
> all healthy, & fruitful!!!
I can relate. My son got me sucked in to a Fantasy League, which
> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup.
> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff.
>
> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game.
> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive.
> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ?
> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis??
>
> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!*
> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some
> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his
> promising beginning.
>
> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win.
> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help.
> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft
> picks, has run its course.
>
> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are
> all healthy, & fruitful!!!
has worked wonders in reviving my interest.
--
JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
www.facebook.com/MyConeyIslandMemories
mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu
Nov 19, 2012, 9:24:32 PM11/19/12
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On Monday, November 19, 2012 8:14:17 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote:
> Good to see you back.
>
>
>
> My cat killed a bird this morning he is happy.
Then my dog killed your cat and ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
> Good to see you back.
>
>
>
> My cat killed a bird this morning he is happy.
mr dude
Michael
Nov 19, 2012, 9:25:30 PM11/19/12
to bur...@bur.ford.com
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:08:06 PM UTC-5, buRford wrote:
> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup.
>
> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff.
>
>
>
> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game.
>
> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive.
>
> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ?
>
> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis??
>
>
>
> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!*
>
> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some
>
> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his
>
> promising beginning.
>
>
>
> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win.
>
> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help.
>
> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft
>
> picks, has run its course.
>
>
>
> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are
>
> all healthy, & fruitful!!!
are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk is over with ?
> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup.
>
> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff.
>
>
>
> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game.
>
> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive.
>
> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ?
>
> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis??
>
>
>
> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!*
>
> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some
>
> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his
>
> promising beginning.
>
>
>
> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win.
>
> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help.
>
> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft
>
> picks, has run its course.
>
>
>
> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are
>
> all healthy, & fruitful!!!
johnctxjets
Nov 20, 2012, 8:55:56 AM11/20/12
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Michael
Nov 20, 2012, 11:44:00 AM11/20/12
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On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:34:08 AM UTC-5, buRford wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:25:30 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote: >On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:08:06 PM UTC-5, buRford wrote: >> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup. >> >> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff. >> >> >> >> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game. >> >> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive. >> >> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ? >> >> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis?? >> >> >> >> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!* >> >> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some >> >> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his >> >> promising beginning. >> >> >> >> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win. >> >> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help. >> >> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft >> >> picks, has run its course. >> >> >> >> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are >> >> all healthy, & fruitful!!! > >are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk is over with ? now & then... gonna take a while to get head back into the perpetual mess that is the Jets.
The Jets... Cant live with 'em, cant live without 'em.
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:25:30 -0800 (PST), Michael <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote: >On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:08:06 PM UTC-5, buRford wrote: >> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup. >> >> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff. >> >> >> >> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game. >> >> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive. >> >> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ? >> >> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis?? >> >> >> >> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!* >> >> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some >> >> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his >> >> promising beginning. >> >> >> >> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win. >> >> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help. >> >> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft >> >> picks, has run its course. >> >> >> >> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are >> >> all healthy, & fruitful!!! > >are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk is over with ? now & then... gonna take a while to get head back into the perpetual mess that is the Jets.
The Jets... Cant live with 'em, cant live without 'em.
Michael
Nov 20, 2012, 11:56:41 AM11/20/12
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On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:56:23 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote:
> On 11/19/2012 8:25 PM, Michael wrote: > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:08:06 PM UTC-5, buRford wrote: >> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup. >> >> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff. >> >> >> >> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game. >> >> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive. >> >> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ? >> >> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis?? >> >> >> >> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!* >> >> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some >> >> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his >> >> promising beginning. >> >> >> >> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win. >> >> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help. >> >> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft >> >> picks, has run its course. >> >> >> >> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are >> >> all healthy, & fruitful!!! > > are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk is over with ? > Michael we are waiting for your first football post.
post my johnson
> On 11/19/2012 8:25 PM, Michael wrote: > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:08:06 PM UTC-5, buRford wrote: >> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup. >> >> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff. >> >> >> >> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game. >> >> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive. >> >> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ? >> >> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis?? >> >> >> >> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!* >> >> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some >> >> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his >> >> promising beginning. >> >> >> >> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win. >> >> But, I think it's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help. >> >> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft >> >> picks, has run its course. >> >> >> >> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are >> >> all healthy, & fruitful!!! > > are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk is over with ? > Michael we are waiting for your first football post.
Johnny Morongo
Nov 20, 2012, 12:41:50 PM11/20/12
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On 11/20/2012 8:16 AM, buRford wrote:
> Maybe if we all chip in, we can buy the team from Woody ;)
Here's my two cents.
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 22:07:39 -0500, "yoyodog" <connarc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> alt.blahblah.ny.jets has been a ghost town this year. You are not alone.
>> Sparano has made me wish we still had Schotty but today cemented the status
>> that Sparano was an improvemenmt. Barely, but an improvement.
>>
>> Give Rex a pass, jettison Tanny or send him upstairs to crunch numbers, get
>> a real O coordinator. Send T-bone on his way, and see if you can salvage
>> Sanchez... He's not the answer but he sure as hell is better that T-bone.
>> With a new GM, focus 100% on building an O-Line that can protect the QB and
>> give him more than 2 seconds to throw. If that doesn't work next year,
>> start over again.
>
> Always startin over again.
>
>> alt.blahblah.ny.jets has been a ghost town this year. You are not alone.
>> Sparano has made me wish we still had Schotty but today cemented the status
>> that Sparano was an improvemenmt. Barely, but an improvement.
>>
>> Give Rex a pass, jettison Tanny or send him upstairs to crunch numbers, get
>> a real O coordinator. Send T-bone on his way, and see if you can salvage
>> Sanchez... He's not the answer but he sure as hell is better that T-bone.
>> With a new GM, focus 100% on building an O-Line that can protect the QB and
>> give him more than 2 seconds to throw. If that doesn't work next year,
>> start over again.
>
> Maybe if we all chip in, we can buy the team from Woody ;)
Here's my two cents.
Johnny Morongo
Nov 20, 2012, 12:51:32 PM11/20/12
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On 11/20/2012 8:22 AM, buRford wrote:
>
> It's gonna take a while b4 I'm back. I really haven't thought of them often, but unlike
> the Mets, which went the way of the dodo for me a bunch of years ago, the Jets will always
> be in there.
> Maybe with the election off Woody's mind, he can focus the Jets again... & bring in some
> talent, to compliment all the jags. I suspect Tanny'll be a goner soon... at least at GM.
>
Since Woody appears to be brain dead (how many years did it take him to
move Schitty out?) I suspect that the people who are in place now will
also be in place next year, ergo, expect more of the same.
Remember the old adage that it's better to replace a player one year too
early than one year too late? Not on this team. Rex and Tranny should
be replaced NOW, but won't be until after at least one more year of this
mediocrity.
>
> It's gonna take a while b4 I'm back. I really haven't thought of them often, but unlike
> the Mets, which went the way of the dodo for me a bunch of years ago, the Jets will always
> be in there.
> Maybe with the election off Woody's mind, he can focus the Jets again... & bring in some
> talent, to compliment all the jags. I suspect Tanny'll be a goner soon... at least at GM.
>
Since Woody appears to be brain dead (how many years did it take him to
move Schitty out?) I suspect that the people who are in place now will
also be in place next year, ergo, expect more of the same.
Remember the old adage that it's better to replace a player one year too
early than one year too late? Not on this team. Rex and Tranny should
be replaced NOW, but won't be until after at least one more year of this
mediocrity.
Johnny Morongo
Nov 20, 2012, 12:53:54 PM11/20/12
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On 11/20/2012 5:57 AM, johnctxjets wrote:
>>
>> are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk
>> is over with ?
>>
>
> Michael we are waiting for your first football post.
LOL. STILL waiting.
>>
>> are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk
>> is over with ?
>>
>
> Michael we are waiting for your first football post.
Johnny Morongo
Nov 20, 2012, 12:55:03 PM11/20/12
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Johnny Morongo
Nov 20, 2012, 12:57:16 PM11/20/12
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On 11/20/2012 8:32 AM, buRford wrote:
> now & then... gonna take a while to get head back into the perpetual mess that is the
> Jets.
Perpetual mess? You HAVE been away for a long time. ;)
> now & then... gonna take a while to get head back into the perpetual mess that is the
> Jets.
Michael
Nov 20, 2012, 3:17:11 PM11/20/12
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On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:55:09 PM UTC-5, Johnny Morongo wrote:
> On 11/20/2012 8:56 AM, Michael wrote: > On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:56:23 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote: >> On 11/19/2012 8:25 PM, Michael wrote: > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:08:06 PM UTC-5, buRford wrote: >> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup. >> >> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff. >> >> >> >> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game. >> >> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive. >> >> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ? >> >> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis?? >> >> >> >> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!* >> >> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some >> >> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his >> >> promising beginning. >> >> >> >> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win. >> >> But, I think i t's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help. >> >> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft >> >> picks, has run its course. >> >> >> >> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are >> >> all healthy, & fruitful!!! > > are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk is over with ? > Michael we are waiting for your first football post. > > post my johnson > All these references to your balls and johnson. Hmmm.
At least Frederick the Great wasn't my choice for best general of all time.
> On 11/20/2012 8:56 AM, Michael wrote: > On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:56:23 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote: >> On 11/19/2012 8:25 PM, Michael wrote: > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:08:06 PM UTC-5, buRford wrote: >> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup. >> >> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff. >> >> >> >> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game. >> >> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive. >> >> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ? >> >> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis?? >> >> >> >> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!* >> >> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some >> >> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his >> >> promising beginning. >> >> >> >> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win. >> >> But, I think i t's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help. >> >> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft >> >> picks, has run its course. >> >> >> >> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are >> >> all healthy, & fruitful!!! > > are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk is over with ? > Michael we are waiting for your first football post. > > post my johnson > All these references to your balls and johnson. Hmmm.
johnctxjets
Nov 20, 2012, 4:17:00 PM11/20/12
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of Schott was off, Michael pop a Xanax, then how did Rex take him & then
extend? Rex's ego thinking he could out do it? I know papa's answer but
I think Woody is too stupid to suck up. I think it really is they hate
eating salary.
Yes on Tannebaum stick w/ Rex.
Good OC's DC's are rare. HC even rarer. I can buy that some guys never
can get past one level but an OK coach who is great on defense is better
than an OK who can't coach either side. Rex & Pettine better hope that
Michael is right about Sparano. If he isn't sack him this year or he or
maybe Pettine becomes the next sacrificial lamb.
johnctxjets
Nov 20, 2012, 4:23:12 PM11/20/12
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> now & then... gonna take a while to get head back into the perpetual mess that is the
> Jets.
>
your hood) going Catholic would be so loaded up with guilt he would have
no time for this mess.
:)
It really has gotten to the point where I only watch if I can't get in
to the dentist for a root canal on Sundays.
johnctxjets
Nov 20, 2012, 4:25:06 PM11/20/12
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papacarl
Nov 20, 2012, 4:31:45 PM11/20/12
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"buRford" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:25:20 -0500, "papacarl" <papa...@notatverizon.net>
wrote:
Carl... Happy Belated!
I was running around yesterday, & by the time I stopped, I thought it too
late to call
you.
Would've been nice to to see ya play... congrats on the success.
Will call you soon, to catch up!
***********************************
I owe you a trip up North....or you can come here for dinner....would love
that. It was really a great day
and just happened to coincide with my birthday...and now I'm really freakin
old. The new girl singing with my
group is only 18...we wrote a song called "50 Years Between 'Em"...about an
old guy who meets a young girl in
the park, plays some music...talks about life, croaks....I'm on
schedule...was 68 yesterday. Music keeps me alive now
and the young singers make you have to work at it, plus it is so much more
fun than watching "some" football teams.
We did raise a whole bunch of money to give to The Gift of Life Family
House. It was cool.
papacarl
Nov 20, 2012, 5:46:55 PM11/20/12
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"johnctxjets" wrote in message news:k8grtc$gch$1...@dont-email.me...
Woody does not "suck up"....he uses...and he does not think clearly, he
thinks on some things with emotion and he is an ideologue, I think some of
that may have gotten in his way, and I think it may be what the Tebow thing
is about too. AND...I also think you are right, he wanted to save money in
some way. I also think that Rex may have the kind of ego that does not want
another top level guy around him, not even an offensive guru...or he had no
choice in the matter. There is NO way to explain that move that makes
sense. Nor, is there a reason a coach like Fisher taking Schott...I don't
get it...watching them this year all the same crap seems obvious, I think we
will see Schott go the way of the now extinct Kotite bird...seldom seen
around a football field. It will take time, but it will happen....he can
join the preacher as an analyst.
Michael
Nov 20, 2012, 8:03:25 PM11/20/12
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I still say... There was *Napoleon* and then there were the rest of them.
Johnny Morongo
Nov 20, 2012, 8:25:12 PM11/20/12
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On 11/20/2012 5:03 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:23:28 PM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote:
>> On 11/20/2012 2:17 PM, Michael wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:55:09 PM UTC-5, Johnny Morongo wrote:
>>
>>>> On 11/20/2012 8:56 AM, Michael wrote: > On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:56:23 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote: >> On 11/19/2012 8:25 PM, Michael wrote: > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:08:06 PM UTC-5, buRford wrote: >> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup. >> >> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff. >> >> >> >> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game. >> >> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive. >> >> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ? >> >> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis?? >> >> >> >> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!* >> >> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some >> >> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his >> >> promising beginnin
g.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win. >> >> But, I think i t's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help. >> >> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft >> >> picks, has run its course. >> >> >> >> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are >> >> all healthy, & fruitful!!! > > are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk is over with ? > Michael we are waiting for your first football post. > > post my johnson > All these references to your balls and johnson. Hmmm.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> At least Frederick the Great wasn't my choice for best general of all time.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> He & George Henry Thomas.....absolutely....
>
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:23:28 PM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote:
>> On 11/20/2012 2:17 PM, Michael wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:55:09 PM UTC-5, Johnny Morongo wrote:
>>
>>>> On 11/20/2012 8:56 AM, Michael wrote: > On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:56:23 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote: >> On 11/19/2012 8:25 PM, Michael wrote: > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:08:06 PM UTC-5, buRford wrote: >> Been very busy, & kinda lost interest in the team for the first time since I was a pup. >> >> Hiring Sparano, then bringing in Tebow, just pushed me over the cliff. >> >> >> >> But I had some time today, & watched the beginning of the game. >> >> Saw ol' Schott, & after the nausea passed... watched the Rams score on their first drive. >> >> Hmmmm, seen this before... great first drive, then ? >> >> Could Schott have brought the first drive then nothing, with him to St Louis?? >> >> >> >> So, after doing a few things, back to the game... yup, Schott still has *it!* >> >> Poor Sam Bradford. Had a promising career. Figure by next year, he'll be showing some >> >> signs of regression... then, well, we've seen what's happened to Sanchez, since his >> >> promising beginnin
g.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Really is weird not being pulled by the Jets. Not really caring if they win. >> >> But, I think i t's temporary, although Woody selling the team would sure help. >> >> Probably time for Tanny to be ejected. Building a team of JAGs, with a few quality draft >> >> picks, has run its course. >> >> >> >> Anyway, hope everyone's doing well, & yer families, friends, finances, & furry friends are >> >> all healthy, & fruitful!!! > > are you going to stick around and talk football after this circle-jerk is over with ? > Michael we are waiting for your first football post. > > post my johnson > All these references to your balls and johnson. Hmmm.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> At least Frederick the Great wasn't my choice for best general of all time.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> He & George Henry Thomas.....absolutely....
>
> I still say... There was *Napoleon* and then there were the rest of them.
>
Hannibal!
>
Michael
Nov 20, 2012, 10:21:08 PM11/20/12
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I still put Napoleon ahead of Hannibal. First off, Napoleon fought and won more capitol battles than Alexander, Hannibal and Fredric The Great combined. The Napoleonic ere battlefield was also the most complex battlefield that a "general" commanded on site. There were melee infantry (bayonets), projectile infantry (powder and shot), horse cavalry and gunpowder artillery. Prior to that era, gunpowder infantry and artillery was a fashion statement. In the classical era (Hannibal-Scipio) there was no gunpowder element. After the Napoleonic era (WWI-WWII), the days of a general being on site to command an army vs. another general mano-a-mano were gone. Generalship spilt into two branches. The operational general such as von Manstein and the battlefield general such as Patton. Napoleon was also able to adapt, think outside the box and was in the eyes of the pundits, one of the most inspirational generals of all time. He gets a black eye for Russian, but he reached his military objective and took Moscow. That campaign was a political misjudgment and not a battlefield loss.
mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu
Nov 20, 2012, 11:19:37 PM11/20/12
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On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:21:08 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
> I still put Napoleon ahead of Hannibal.
Dude Hitler rocked!! That Blitzkrieg stuff?? Brilliant!!
> I still put Napoleon ahead of Hannibal.
Hitler is a thousand times better than a five foot two French surrender monkey or an idiot that made elephants climb across the Alps!
Hitler was a stud!
That Jew thing? Not so much.
mr dude
papacarl
Nov 20, 2012, 11:53:37 PM11/20/12
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"Michael" wrote in message
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Nope...Sun Tzu
Johnny Morongo
Nov 21, 2012, 12:10:39 AM11/21/12
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On 11/20/2012 8:53 PM, papacarl wrote:
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> ******************************************
> Nope...Sun Tzu
Perhaps. But I know nothing of his actual military genius, as opposed
to his Art of War. My insufficient knowledge.
>
> ******************************************
> Nope...Sun Tzu
Perhaps. But I know nothing of his actual military genius, as opposed
to his Art of War. My insufficient knowledge.
papacarl
Nov 21, 2012, 12:38:21 AM11/21/12
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"Johnny Morongo" wrote in message news:k8hnon$5f3$1...@dont-email.me...
person..but he was or at least someone was a general or military leader who
developed all those strategies, they seem to have worked quite well quite
often. Another may be Shaka Zulu....he certainly made the British army
think so.
Michael
Nov 21, 2012, 11:09:36 AM11/21/12
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On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:38:43 AM UTC-5, papacarl wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" wrote in message news:k8hnon$5f3$1...@dont-email.me... On 11/20/2012 8:53 PM, papacarl wrote: > > ****************************************** > Nope...Sun Tzu Perhaps. But I know nothing of his actual military genius, as opposed to his Art of War. My insufficient knowledge. There is some controversy as to when he lived, and if he was really one person..but he was or at least someone was a general or military leader who developed all those strategies, they seem to have worked quite well quite often. Another may be Shaka Zulu....he certainly made the British army think so.
Sun Tzu as an actual "general" exists someplace in history between imagination and vapor. Shaka Zulu in the running for greatest general of all time ??? Please, Papa... Stick to football.
> "Johnny Morongo" wrote in message news:k8hnon$5f3$1...@dont-email.me... On 11/20/2012 8:53 PM, papacarl wrote: > > ****************************************** > Nope...Sun Tzu Perhaps. But I know nothing of his actual military genius, as opposed to his Art of War. My insufficient knowledge. There is some controversy as to when he lived, and if he was really one person..but he was or at least someone was a general or military leader who developed all those strategies, they seem to have worked quite well quite often. Another may be Shaka Zulu....he certainly made the British army think so.
Michael
Nov 21, 2012, 11:21:21 AM11/21/12
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On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:19:38 PM UTC-5, mr du...@harvarduniversity.edu wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:21:08 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: > I still put Napoleon ahead of Hannibal. Dude Hitler rocked!! That Blitzkrieg stuff?? Brilliant!! Hitler is a thousand times better than a five foot two French surrender monkey or an idiot that made elephants climb across the Alps! Hitler was a stud! That Jew thing? Not so much. mr dude
This thread tangent is about bona fied generals. Not corporals with personality disorders. Though if you want to dwedge up the krauts, you can cout von Manstein in the running for the best "opperational general" of the industrial era and Rommel and Guderian in the running for the best battlefield general of the industrial era.
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:21:08 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: > I still put Napoleon ahead of Hannibal. Dude Hitler rocked!! That Blitzkrieg stuff?? Brilliant!! Hitler is a thousand times better than a five foot two French surrender monkey or an idiot that made elephants climb across the Alps! Hitler was a stud! That Jew thing? Not so much. mr dude
graybeard
Nov 21, 2012, 12:31:55 PM11/21/12
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:31:45 -0500, "papacarl"
<papa...@notatverizon.net> wrote:
>The new girl singing with my
>group is only 18...we wrote a song called "50 Years Between 'Em"...about an
>old guy who meets a young girl in
>the park, plays some music...talks about life, croaks....I'm on
>schedule...was 68 yesterday.
My favorite band, Steely Dan, beat you to it some years ago with "Hey
<papa...@notatverizon.net> wrote:
>The new girl singing with my
>group is only 18...we wrote a song called "50 Years Between 'Em"...about an
>old guy who meets a young girl in
>the park, plays some music...talks about life, croaks....I'm on
>schedule...was 68 yesterday.
Nineteen", a song that makes me somewhat melancholy these days (you only
have a year on me). I once read that one of the defining moments in a
man's life is the day he realizes that he has become invisible to young
women.
--
graybeard
Michael
Nov 21, 2012, 12:55:39 PM11/21/12
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On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:31:56 PM UTC-5, graybeard wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:31:45 -0500, "papacarl" <papa...@notatverizon.net> wrote: >The new girl singing with my >group is only 18...we wrote a song called "50 Years Between 'Em"...about an >old guy who meets a young girl in >the park, plays some music...talks about life, croaks....I'm on >schedule...was 68 yesterday. My favorite band, Steely Dan, beat you to it some years ago with "Hey Nineteen", a song that makes me somewhat melancholy these days (you only have a year on me). I once read that one of the defining moments in a man's life is the day he realizes that he has become invisible to young women. -- graybeard
Steely Dan ?!?!?!
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:31:45 -0500, "papacarl" <papa...@notatverizon.net> wrote: >The new girl singing with my >group is only 18...we wrote a song called "50 Years Between 'Em"...about an >old guy who meets a young girl in >the park, plays some music...talks about life, croaks....I'm on >schedule...was 68 yesterday. My favorite band, Steely Dan, beat you to it some years ago with "Hey Nineteen", a song that makes me somewhat melancholy these days (you only have a year on me). I once read that one of the defining moments in a man's life is the day he realizes that he has become invisible to young women. -- graybeard
OMFG !!!
Steely Dan is for pencil necks that have themselves fooled into believing that they are urbane, refined and intellectually sophisticated. When Steely Dan fans grow into middle age, they are the geeks that pay a $100.00+ cover and $35.00 a drink at a place that has a four drink minimum to listen to crappy high jazz that they don't really like... All in the name of cultivating an image.
There is nothing more to a Steely Dan song than there is to an AC/DC song. It is all in the packaging. Remember... You can sell a small stone the type you find in your back yard for $20.00. All you have to do is put it in a little box with some straw and print "Pet Rock" on the box.
papacarl
Nov 21, 2012, 2:29:36 PM11/21/12
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"graybeard" wrote in message
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LOL...lots of us old guys writing about younger women, this song is about
generation
overlap...way too many young people today have little contact with
grandparents.
That is sort of what this one is about. I really think one of the reasons
I'm alive
and survived some very difficult times is because I got to be around young
people so much, it does give you a better outlook on life. Some of my peers
are a real pain in the ass, moan, groan, bitch, complain...the best advice
used to
be on a box of shoes..."Just Do It"....life's too short to stop doing the
things you enjoy, as
long as you can still do them I think....I'd venture that for someone who
has had as
much surgery as I've had, cancer once, double organ transplant and a bunch
of other stuff
that I'm about as active as it gets...slower, but still going. I liked
Steely Dan.
papacarl
Nov 21, 2012, 2:31:51 PM11/21/12
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"Michael" wrote in message
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You don't know much about this either....ask the officers in Viet Nam who
got hammered by advocates of this philosophy. You know, you can be an
arrogant SOB at times.
HVAC
Nov 21, 2012, 4:39:52 PM11/21/12
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On 11/21/2012 12:31 PM, graybeard wrote:
>
>
> My favorite band, Steely Dan, beat you to it some years ago with "Hey
> Nineteen", a song that makes me somewhat melancholy these days (you only
> have a year on me). I once read that one of the defining moments in a
> man's life is the day he realizes that he has become invisible to young
> women.
Ah... But there's always girls like Courtney who at 16 married a 51 year
>
>
> My favorite band, Steely Dan, beat you to it some years ago with "Hey
> Nineteen", a song that makes me somewhat melancholy these days (you only
> have a year on me). I once read that one of the defining moments in a
> man's life is the day he realizes that he has become invisible to young
> women.
old guy. Later he was charged with 'assault with a dead weapon'.
http://boston.3432.voxcdn.com/files/2011/10/article-2052795-0E81FC2400000578-346_634x904.jpg
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papacarl
Nov 21, 2012, 6:20:20 PM11/21/12
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I think YOU should be the next GM....kick Tanny's ass out of there...let's
start a make Michael GM movement.... :-)
Now...say something about some body part :-)
Johnny Morongo
Nov 21, 2012, 8:01:37 PM11/21/12
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band too. More so than even the Beatles, and that's saying something
for a guy who wrote his under graduate thesis, in 1966, on John Lennon.
I've been mad nutz for them since Can't Buy A Thrill. Saw them at Jones
Beach for their '93 comeback tour then out here a couple of years ago at
a semi-local casino.
Thems were the days, I tell ya.
Johnny Morongo
Nov 21, 2012, 8:04:33 PM11/21/12
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let alone the same sentence, unless of course you're AC/DC yourself.
Michael
Nov 21, 2012, 8:12:17 PM11/21/12
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On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:32:14 PM UTC-5, papacarl wrote:
> "Michael" wrote in message
>
> news:ececc618-337b-4414...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:38:43 AM UTC-5, papacarl wrote:
>
> > "Johnny Morongo" wrote in message news:k8hnon$5f3$1...@dont-email.me... On
>
> > 11/20/2012 8:53 PM, papacarl wrote: > >
>
> > ****************************************** > Nope...Sun Tzu Perhaps. But I
>
> > know nothing of his actual military genius, as opposed to his Art of War.
>
> > My insufficient knowledge. There is some controversy as to when he lived,
>
> > and if he was really one person..but he was or at least someone was a
>
> > general or military leader who developed all those strategies, they seem
>
> > to have worked quite well quite often. Another may be Shaka Zulu....he
>
> > certainly made the British army think so.
>
>
>
> Sun Tzu as an actual "general" exists someplace in history between
>
> imagination and vapor. Shaka Zulu in the running for greatest general of
>
> all time ??? Please, Papa... Stick to football.
>
>
>
> **********************************
>
> You don't know much about this either...
Keep telling that to yourself when ever you feel your self appointed authority over any and every subject to be in challenge. As long as it makes you feel better.
> "Michael" wrote in message
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> news:ececc618-337b-4414...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:38:43 AM UTC-5, papacarl wrote:
>
> > "Johnny Morongo" wrote in message news:k8hnon$5f3$1...@dont-email.me... On
>
> > 11/20/2012 8:53 PM, papacarl wrote: > >
>
> > ****************************************** > Nope...Sun Tzu Perhaps. But I
>
> > know nothing of his actual military genius, as opposed to his Art of War.
>
> > My insufficient knowledge. There is some controversy as to when he lived,
>
> > and if he was really one person..but he was or at least someone was a
>
> > general or military leader who developed all those strategies, they seem
>
> > to have worked quite well quite often. Another may be Shaka Zulu....he
>
> > certainly made the British army think so.
>
>
>
> Sun Tzu as an actual "general" exists someplace in history between
>
> imagination and vapor. Shaka Zulu in the running for greatest general of
>
> all time ??? Please, Papa... Stick to football.
>
>
>
> **********************************
>
> You don't know much about this either...
>ask the officers in Viet Nam who got hammered by advocates of this philosophy.
Explain in detail what military merit Shaka displayed that would put him in the discussion for greatest general of all time ??? Since you also refer to the effort of the North Vietnamese, you can also explain to me what great military merit they displayed. Is it Giap that you are counting in the discussion ??? Even you must know that the Tet Offensive was a battlefield disaster for the Communist north as was most every other one of their battlefield efforts. Like Shaka, they were politically savvy, but they could not have won on the battlefield against their contemporary foes.
Johnny Morongo
Nov 21, 2012, 8:15:38 PM11/21/12
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On 11/21/2012 9:31 AM, graybeard wrote:
> I once read that one of the defining moments in a man's life is the day he realizes that he has become invisible to young women.
>
I once wrote a poem about that moment. Me, inside a main street shop
>
window on looking out, beautiful young something outside looking in. We
smile at each other my heart leaps she comes into the store and,
beaming, walks right past me into the arms of a much younger man and I
know that my time has passed.
I think I was 43.
Johnny Morongo
Nov 21, 2012, 8:18:30 PM11/21/12
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Michael
Nov 21, 2012, 8:26:21 PM11/21/12
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Michael
Nov 21, 2012, 8:45:56 PM11/21/12
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You might not identify with audience that artists like AC/DC and Def Leopard are written and marketed to, but musically speaking, the are no less complex than Steely Dan in any respect. If you consider albums like Mutt Lang's Back In Black and Hysteria, they more than rival the production quality of anything that Steely Dan have done.
What do you think Steely Dan is, Richard Wagner's Ring Cycle ???
You are yet one more poor pencil neck that has been sold a bill of musical goods by Steeley Dan. So long as you feel sophisticated when you listen to your Steely Dan albums, I suppose your money was well spent. The same goes for any AC/DC fan that buys the music and packaging that comes along with their wares.
Michael
Nov 21, 2012, 9:02:59 PM11/21/12
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Johnny Morongo
Nov 21, 2012, 11:52:45 PM11/21/12
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do you know?
Dismissed.
Michael
Nov 22, 2012, 7:01:11 AM11/22/12
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I don't listen to the classic rock stations too often, but if I have one on and Steely Dan is played, I NEVER change the station. I like it. It is slick, and as you would expect from a Fagen product, it's got that "hook". Like Zappa, they also recorded a lot of their work with some of the best session players on the market. As is also advertised ad nauseum, Fagen and Becker know their way around the studio. With commercial rock/pop music, turning the knobs is 95 % of the craft.
I also mentioned AC/DC. Without the use of your larger brain, a knee jerk reaction would be to think that AC/DC and Steely Dan don't belong in the same sentence.
NOT TRUE.
Only the packaging is different.
Both are masters of mid tempo pop/rock. Steely Dan is flavored with high minded jazz. I actually consider Steely Dan to be a "gateway" band. Many 'o twit that got hooked on Steely Dan found their way to the wonderful world of jazz. AC/DC on the other hand is blues bases pop/rock. Also a "gateway" band, but to the warm humanity of blues.
As far as talent and taste go in the rock/pop category, you wont find better than Fagen. He is one crafty dude. The same is for sure with the Young brothers. Few if any have come up with as many catchy and listenable riffs as Malcolm Young and few rock/pop lead guitarists have played as many masterful and tasteful rock/pop solos as Angus Young. IMHO, as far as pure feel and taste go, only David Gilmour can out-do Angus Young.
In the studio, the Youngs are every bit as experienced and capable as Fagen and Becker. The Young family includes George Young of Vanda and Young fame. For the uneducated among us, they descend from the Easybeats and became very well known as top producers.
The only difference between Steely Dan and AC/DC is the packaging. One is aimed at pencil necks that fancy themselves as socially refined and intellectual. They sip wine, watch "films", and impress each other at jazz clubs with four syllable words. The other is aimed at dudes that are louts and proud of it. The drink whisky and piss on walls. In place of four syllable words, they use four letter words to get their point across. The dont see "films" they see "flicks". They wear denim vests with the sleeves cut off. and they see through the bull shit.
Other than that, there is very little difference between The Dan and DC.
Like I said... What do you Dan fans think you are listening to, Wagner's Ring Cycle ???
BWT...
Happy Thanksgiving and God Bless.
papacarl
Nov 22, 2012, 10:26:23 AM11/22/12
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"Johnny Morongo" wrote in message news:k8kb36$oh0$1...@dont-email.me...
Some music needs to be considered in the context of the time it was created.
Some will go beyond that and have a more lasting value becoming timeless.
"For What It's Worth" fits the latter I think. But there are some tunes
that those who came later will never relate to, can't understand that did
have a perfect place in the context of the time they were created. Then,
there are some unique people who seem to be able to take a song and the
performers at face value and not over analyze and actually get it. Steely
Dan was important because at a time when popular music was going against
what had happened in the 60's their music embraced ALL forms and used the
jazz and funk infusion along with other pop music to build on. Frankly, I
don't see where Michael gets his Pet Rock comparison at all. It was 70's
music for growing older hippies who were rejecting disco crap. Do I listen
to it....rarely if ever, but it certainly has it's place and I actually do
go to see a couple of bands who follow that jazz, funk, R&B tradition and
like it a lot. It's nothing like what I play, but I like lots of different
stuff.
papacarl
Nov 22, 2012, 10:42:26 AM11/22/12
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I'm all in for Custer...he reminds me most of the J E T S !
Michael
Nov 22, 2012, 10:52:01 AM11/22/12
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Consider what you just wrote.
"It was 70's music for growing older hippies who were rejecting disco crap"
and then you wrote:
"Frankly, I don't see where Michael gets his Pet Rock comparison at all."
If you could, read my post just above for additional clarification.
"Frankly, I don't see where Michael gets his Pet Rock comparison at all."
One more thing that I'm sure you, Johnny or myself might not be to happy to hear.
Some of the more well known Steely Dan and AC/DC songs will still be on the play list LONG after the last of the tree of bite the dust. The songs are timeless.
The larger point of my commentary that was kicked off with a little inflammatory bait was that there is little more to Steely Dan, an artist that is considered to be "intellectual" musically speaking than there is to AC/DC, an artist that is considered to be anything but an intellectual study.
It would be fair to ask why I decided to pull this out of my ass to begin with. When ever I hear "Steely Dan", I'm compelled to remind the world that it isn't Beethoven's 9th or Wagner's Ring Cycle. I've been around a lot of players. Too many of them jack-off over artists that come in a fancy package.
Happy Thanksgiving
Johnny Morongo
Nov 22, 2012, 11:43:19 AM11/22/12
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papacarl
Nov 22, 2012, 12:18:47 PM11/22/12
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Well...I know way more who "jack off" over some artists just because they
work as hard as they can to look non-commercial or not mainstream....the
fact is, most people would not even hear the music if it were not put into
the fancy package. I'll retract part of what I said...maturing
hippies...people who still "got it" but were maturing and changing...but
still rejecting disco which was a real backlash deal. Hell...I think a
Lomax recording of field hollers is intellectual.
papacarl
Nov 22, 2012, 12:20:34 PM11/22/12
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"Johnny Morongo" wrote in message news:k8lknj$k2u$1...@dont-email.me...
Let's make Custer the Jets mascot...go into battle with no plan, no
imagination, walk right in and have NO ability to make adjustments...did
Custer trade away his best soldiers?
John C TX
Nov 22, 2012, 12:58:03 PM11/22/12
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1. Custer & Jets...classic..
2. Michael, Ike & Monty were so horrible they make Patton looked good. Look up Devers Strassbourg & see how the war in Europe could have been over by Xmas 44. Pattton....ugh...how about his attempt to rescue his son in law? His daughter must have been pretty ugly to waste men like that.
3.Hannibal is a fun choice
2. Michael, Ike & Monty were so horrible they make Patton looked good. Look up Devers Strassbourg & see how the war in Europe could have been over by Xmas 44. Pattton....ugh...how about his attempt to rescue his son in law? His daughter must have been pretty ugly to waste men like that.
3.Hannibal is a fun choice
Ritchie
Nov 22, 2012, 1:01:03 PM11/22/12
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On Nov 22, 12:20 pm, "papacarl" <papa.c...@notatverizon.net> wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" wrote in messagenews:k8lknj$k2u$1...@dont-email.me...
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> >> On 11/21/2012 8:21 AM, Michael wrote:
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> >> On 11/21/2012 8:21 AM, Michael wrote:
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> >> d...@harvarduniversity.edu wrote:
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> >> >> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:21:08 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: > I
> >> >> still put Napoleon ahead of Hannibal. Dude Hitler rocked!! That >>
> >> Blitzkrieg stuff?? Brilliant!! Hitler is a thousand times better than
> >> a >> five foot two French surrender monkey or an idiot that made
> >> elephants >> climb across the Alps! Hitler was a stud! That Jew thing?
> >> Not so much. >> mr dude
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> >> > This thread tangent is about bona fied generals. Not corporals with
> >> > personality disorders. Though if you want to dwedge up the krauts,
> >> you > can cout von Manstein in the running for the best "opperational
> >> general" > of the industrial era and Rommel and Guderian in the
> >> running for the > best battlefield general of the industrial era.
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> >> Patton would give you a run for your money there.
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> > I agree 100 %. My choice for best battlefield general of the
> > "indusrail" era would be Patton. I would put him above Rommel.
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> > I'm all in for Custer...he reminds me most of the J E T S !
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> LOL. LOL. And Happy Bird Day, Carl, and to the rest a youse too.
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> Let's make Custer the Jets mascot...go into battle with no plan, no
> imagination, walk right in and have NO ability to make adjustments...did
> Custer trade away his best soldiers?
Now thats funny!!!
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> >> >> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:21:08 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: > I
> >> >> still put Napoleon ahead of Hannibal. Dude Hitler rocked!! That >>
> >> Blitzkrieg stuff?? Brilliant!! Hitler is a thousand times better than
> >> a >> five foot two French surrender monkey or an idiot that made
> >> elephants >> climb across the Alps! Hitler was a stud! That Jew thing?
> >> Not so much. >> mr dude
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> >> > This thread tangent is about bona fied generals. Not corporals with
> >> > personality disorders. Though if you want to dwedge up the krauts,
> >> you > can cout von Manstein in the running for the best "opperational
> >> general" > of the industrial era and Rommel and Guderian in the
> >> running for the > best battlefield general of the industrial era.
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> >> Patton would give you a run for your money there.
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> > I agree 100 %. My choice for best battlefield general of the
> > "indusrail" era would be Patton. I would put him above Rommel.
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> > I'm all in for Custer...he reminds me most of the J E T S !
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> LOL. LOL. And Happy Bird Day, Carl, and to the rest a youse too.
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> Let's make Custer the Jets mascot...go into battle with no plan, no
> imagination, walk right in and have NO ability to make adjustments...did
> Custer trade away his best soldiers?
Michael
Nov 22, 2012, 2:07:38 PM11/22/12
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WWII would not even have started if Clemenceau took his head out of his ass and listened to the sentiments and sensibilities of Wilson, Lloyd George and Keynes. Remember the quote: "Treat them like the enemy and they won't disappoint."
I dare say they did not disapoint... 50 million dead.
If you are not all that fond of Patton, check out Mark Clark and how he ran the whole of the Italian campaign. How about his subordinate, Lucas at Anzio ??? Talk about a dick in ice water.
Back to cooking... Gonna have a toal of 26 people here today. That is my reward for living in the middle of relatives that live both 100 miles to the south and 100 miles to the north. Central command here today :-)
papacarl
Nov 22, 2012, 3:09:25 PM11/22/12
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Have a good day. Enjoy the family !
johnctxjets
Nov 26, 2012, 10:43:06 AM11/26/12
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On 11/22/2012 1:07 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:58:03 PM UTC-5, John C TX wrote:
>> 1. Custer & Jets...classic..
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>> 2. Michael, Ike & Monty were so horrible they make Patton looked good. Look up Devers Strassbourg & see how the war in Europe could have been over by Xmas 44. Pattton....ugh...how about his attempt to rescue his son in law? His daughter must have been pretty ugly to waste men like that.
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>> 3.Hannibal is a fun choice
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> The war could have been over in 1940. The French had a quantitative and qualitative advantage in both men and material when the Germans invaded Poland on Septermber 1st, 1939. If the French general staff took their hands of their peckers, they could have advanced to Berlin as fast as the foot infantry could march. That would have been the end of that.
They didn't have a quantitative advantage because their generals weren't
> On Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:58:03 PM UTC-5, John C TX wrote:
>> 1. Custer & Jets...classic..
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>> 2. Michael, Ike & Monty were so horrible they make Patton looked good. Look up Devers Strassbourg & see how the war in Europe could have been over by Xmas 44. Pattton....ugh...how about his attempt to rescue his son in law? His daughter must have been pretty ugly to waste men like that.
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>> 3.Hannibal is a fun choice
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> The war could have been over in 1940. The French had a quantitative and qualitative advantage in both men and material when the Germans invaded Poland on Septermber 1st, 1939. If the French general staff took their hands of their peckers, they could have advanced to Berlin as fast as the foot infantry could march. That would have been the end of that.
good & didn't know to use the tanks they had that were better. Their
soldiers were never as good as the Germans. A motorized armored division
was new to them.
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> WWII would not even have started if Clemenceau took his head out of his ass and listened to the sentiments and sensibilities of Wilson, Lloyd George and Keynes. Remember the quote: "Treat them like the enemy and they won't disappoint."
in a stalemate & maybe no WWII.
Lloyd George played to the British public & the destruction of Germany
was more important than a sustainable Germany.
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> I dare say they did not disapoint... 50 million dead.
>
> If you are not all that fond of Patton, check out Mark Clark and how he ran the whole of the Italian campaign. How about his subordinate, Lucas at Anzio ??? Talk about a dick in ice water.
That invasion along with Galipoli are on Churchill. He & FDR are proof
> I dare say they did not disapoint... 50 million dead.
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> If you are not all that fond of Patton, check out Mark Clark and how he ran the whole of the Italian campaign. How about his subordinate, Lucas at Anzio ??? Talk about a dick in ice water.
that the victors write the history.
Getting back to my point Patton could not get it done when he needed to...
Johnny Morongo
Nov 26, 2012, 2:59:07 PM11/26/12
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On 11/26/2012 7:43 AM, johnctxjets wrote:
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> Wilson?? Wilson should have kept us out of the war. It would have ended
> in a stalemate & maybe no WWII.
Wilson had other fish to fry, and in order to fry them he had to get a
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> Wilson?? Wilson should have kept us out of the war. It would have ended
> in a stalemate & maybe no WWII.
seat at the table at the cost of having skin in the game. Ergo, we
enter the war, and the rest, as they say, is history.
Michael
Nov 26, 2012, 5:10:41 PM11/26/12
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On Monday, November 26, 2012 10:41:21 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote:
> On 11/22/2012 1:07 PM, Michael wrote:
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> > On Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:58:03 PM UTC-5, John C TX wrote:
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> >> 2. Michael, Ike & Monty were so horrible they make Patton looked good. Look up Devers Strassbourg & see how the war in Europe could have been over by Xmas 44. Pattton....ugh...how about his attempt to rescue his son in law? His daughter must have been pretty ugly to waste men like that.
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> > The war could have been over in 1940. The French had a quantitative and qualitative advantage in both men and material when the Germans invaded Poland on Septermber 1st, 1939. If the French general staff took their hands of their peckers, they could have advanced to Berlin as fast as the foot infantry could march. That would have been the end of that.
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You mean to say that the French did not have a qualitative advantage in *tactics* ??? The French had more men and mechanized gear than the Germans had. The French tanks were also better than the ones the Germans had in 1939. As far as the poor use of what they had... If the French general staff had opted to attack Germany after the Germans invaded Poland, they would have been able to cause major issues for the Germans. So much so, that the Germans would not have been able to undertake their invasion of France. Guderion wasn't the only field General that knew how to use tanks. French field commanders also had the idea of using tanks as an "armored fist". At the time the single advantage that the Germans had in the use of armor, tactically speaking was command and control. They had transceivers in all of their tanks and the French did not. Again... The French blunder was inaction on the part of the general staff. They knew how to use tanks too.
> On 11/22/2012 1:07 PM, Michael wrote:
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> > On Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:58:03 PM UTC-5, John C TX wrote:
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> >> 1. Custer & Jets...classic..
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> >> 2. Michael, Ike & Monty were so horrible they make Patton looked good. Look up Devers Strassbourg & see how the war in Europe could have been over by Xmas 44. Pattton....ugh...how about his attempt to rescue his son in law? His daughter must have been pretty ugly to waste men like that.
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> > The war could have been over in 1940. The French had a quantitative and qualitative advantage in both men and material when the Germans invaded Poland on Septermber 1st, 1939. If the French general staff took their hands of their peckers, they could have advanced to Berlin as fast as the foot infantry could march. That would have been the end of that.
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> good & didn't know to use the tanks they had that were better. Their
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> soldiers were never as good as the Germans. A motorized armored division
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> was new to them.
> > WWII would not even have started if Clemenceau took his head out of his ass and listened to the sentiments and sensibilities of Wilson, Lloyd George and Keynes. Remember the quote: "Treat them like the enemy and they won't disappoint."
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> Wilson?? Wilson should have kept us out of the war. It would have ended
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> in a stalemate & maybe no WWII.
> Lloyd George played to the British public & the destruction of Germany
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> was more important than a sustainable Germany.
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> > I dare say they did not disapoint... 50 million dead.
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> > If you are not all that fond of Patton, check out Mark Clark and how he ran the whole of the Italian campaign. How about his subordinate, Lucas at Anzio ??? Talk about a dick in ice water.
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> That invasion along with Galipoli are on Churchill. He & FDR are proof
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> that the victors write the history.
It also makes me consider that the Battle Of Brittan was not all that big a deal. If the Germans managed to get air supremacy, all it means is that their attempted channel crossing would have been a total disaster. They were going to try to cross the channel with converted barges. Neither side had any idea of the logistics it would take to pull of a cross channel invasion.
> Getting back to my point Patton could not get it done when he needed to...
Michael
Nov 26, 2012, 5:13:54 PM11/26/12
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John C TX
Nov 27, 2012, 12:45:04 AM11/27/12
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Johnny what fish?
He talked about self-determination that he denied the Irish...also the Balkans, arabs, Armenians, Kurds, etc.
The US was the sole super power as everyone was in debt to us. He was an Anglophile of the worst kind. He had power.
He talked about self-determination that he denied the Irish...also the Balkans, arabs, Armenians, Kurds, etc.
The US was the sole super power as everyone was in debt to us. He was an Anglophile of the worst kind. He had power.
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Nov 27, 2012, 9:14:09 AM11/27/12
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>> Getting back to my point Patton could not get it done when he needed to...
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> He did good work in North Africa, Sicily and during operation Cobra. He only blew it big time once. Even Grant screwed up at Cold Harbor and Lee lost it for all the marbles at Gettysburg.
North Africa was over in fact Rommel at the height of his power never
even had an army but a Corps & no air cover. The entire Montgomery
success was a PR piece.
We had some stupid generals. Did you ever see the numerical superiority
we had at Normandy? Ike still almost blew it.
Michael
Nov 27, 2012, 1:41:47 PM11/27/12
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On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:12:22 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote:
> On 11/26/2012 4:10 PM, Michael wrote: > On Monday, November 26, 2012 10:41:21 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote: >> On 11/22/2012 1:07 PM, Michael wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:58:03 PM UTC-5, John C TX wrote: >> >>>> 1. Custer & Jets...classic.. >> >>>> >> >>>> 2. Michael, Ike & Monty were so horrible they make Patton looked good. Look up Devers Strassbourg & see how the war in Europe could have been over by Xmas 44. Pattton....ugh...how about his attempt to rescue his son in law? His daughter must have been pretty ugly to waste men like that. >> >>>> >> >>>> 3.Hannibal is a fun choice >> >>> >> >>> The war could have been over in 1940. The French had a quantitative and qualitative advantage in both men and material when the Germans invaded Poland on Septermber 1st, 1939. If the French general staff took their hands of their peckers, they could have advanced to Berlin as fast as the foot infantry could march. That would have been the end of that. >> >> >> >> They didn't have a quantitative advantage because their generals weren't >> >> good & didn't know to use the tanks they had that were better. Their >> >> soldiers were never as good as the Germans. A motorized armored division >> >> was new to them. > > You mean to say that the French did not have a qualitative advantage in *tactics* ??? The French had more men and mechanized gear than the Germans had. The French tanks were also better than the ones the Germans had in 1939. As far as the poor use of what they had... If the French general staff had opted to attack Germany after the Germans invaded Poland, they would have been able to cause major issues for the Germans. So much so, that the Germans would not have been able to undertake their invasion of France. Guderion wasn't the only field General that knew how to use tanks. French field commanders also had the idea of using tanks as an "armored fist". At the time the single advantage that the Germans had in the use of armor, tactically speaking was command and control. They had transceivers in all of their tanks and the French did not. Again... The French blunder was inaction on the part of the general staff. They knew how to use tanks too. > >>> WWII would not even have started if Clemenceau took his head out of his ass and listened to the sentiments and sensibilities of Wilson, Lloyd George and Keynes. Remember the quote: "Treat them like the enemy and they won't disappoint." >> >> >> >> Wilson?? Wilson should have kept us out of the war. It would have ended >> >> in a stalemate & maybe no WWII. > > Wilson was of the mind that Germany should be allowed to regain economic health. So did Lloyd George. Both of those dopes were swayed by public opining and Clemenceau as well. Since France payed the butcher's bill, Wilson and Lloyd George went along with his policy of reducing post war Germany to a state of sustained econimica deperation. It was the German economical condition that produced actions to the politial expression of the Nazis. If not for those circumstances, Hitler would have been nothing but a crank on the street corner. > >> Lloyd George played to the British public & the destruction of Germany >> >> was more important than a sustainable Germany. >> >>> >> >>> I dare say they did not disapoint... 50 million dead. >> >>> >> >>> If you are not all that fond of Patton, check out Mark Clark and how he ran the whole of the Italian campaign. How about his subordinate, Lucas at Anzio ??? Talk about a dick in ice water. >> >> >> >> That invasion along with Galipoli are on Churchill. He & FDR are proof >> >> that the victors write the history. > > Don't forget Dieppe... The Brits were smart to send the Canadians on that one. > It also makes me consider that the Battle Of Brittan was not all that big a deal. If the Germans managed to get air supremacy, all it means is that their attempted channel crossing would have been a total disaster. They were going to try to cross the channel with converted barges. Neither side had any idea of the logistics it would take to pull of a cross channel invasion. Like Galipoli: Aussies, Kiwis, & Irish > >> Getting back to my point Patton could not get it done when he needed to... > > He did good work in North Africa, Sicily and during operation Cobra. He only blew it big time once. Even Grant screwed up at Cold Harbor and Lee lost it for all the marbles at Gettysburg. IMHP he blew it when it mattered.
Yes, but he accomplished too much two write him out of the discussion. El Guettar, Sicily, Cobra and the reliefe of Bastonge is a heafty resume' despite a speed bump on the road.
> On 11/26/2012 4:10 PM, Michael wrote: > On Monday, November 26, 2012 10:41:21 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote: >> On 11/22/2012 1:07 PM, Michael wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:58:03 PM UTC-5, John C TX wrote: >> >>>> 1. Custer & Jets...classic.. >> >>>> >> >>>> 2. Michael, Ike & Monty were so horrible they make Patton looked good. Look up Devers Strassbourg & see how the war in Europe could have been over by Xmas 44. Pattton....ugh...how about his attempt to rescue his son in law? His daughter must have been pretty ugly to waste men like that. >> >>>> >> >>>> 3.Hannibal is a fun choice >> >>> >> >>> The war could have been over in 1940. The French had a quantitative and qualitative advantage in both men and material when the Germans invaded Poland on Septermber 1st, 1939. If the French general staff took their hands of their peckers, they could have advanced to Berlin as fast as the foot infantry could march. That would have been the end of that. >> >> >> >> They didn't have a quantitative advantage because their generals weren't >> >> good & didn't know to use the tanks they had that were better. Their >> >> soldiers were never as good as the Germans. A motorized armored division >> >> was new to them. > > You mean to say that the French did not have a qualitative advantage in *tactics* ??? The French had more men and mechanized gear than the Germans had. The French tanks were also better than the ones the Germans had in 1939. As far as the poor use of what they had... If the French general staff had opted to attack Germany after the Germans invaded Poland, they would have been able to cause major issues for the Germans. So much so, that the Germans would not have been able to undertake their invasion of France. Guderion wasn't the only field General that knew how to use tanks. French field commanders also had the idea of using tanks as an "armored fist". At the time the single advantage that the Germans had in the use of armor, tactically speaking was command and control. They had transceivers in all of their tanks and the French did not. Again... The French blunder was inaction on the part of the general staff. They knew how to use tanks too. > >>> WWII would not even have started if Clemenceau took his head out of his ass and listened to the sentiments and sensibilities of Wilson, Lloyd George and Keynes. Remember the quote: "Treat them like the enemy and they won't disappoint." >> >> >> >> Wilson?? Wilson should have kept us out of the war. It would have ended >> >> in a stalemate & maybe no WWII. > > Wilson was of the mind that Germany should be allowed to regain economic health. So did Lloyd George. Both of those dopes were swayed by public opining and Clemenceau as well. Since France payed the butcher's bill, Wilson and Lloyd George went along with his policy of reducing post war Germany to a state of sustained econimica deperation. It was the German economical condition that produced actions to the politial expression of the Nazis. If not for those circumstances, Hitler would have been nothing but a crank on the street corner. > >> Lloyd George played to the British public & the destruction of Germany >> >> was more important than a sustainable Germany. >> >>> >> >>> I dare say they did not disapoint... 50 million dead. >> >>> >> >>> If you are not all that fond of Patton, check out Mark Clark and how he ran the whole of the Italian campaign. How about his subordinate, Lucas at Anzio ??? Talk about a dick in ice water. >> >> >> >> That invasion along with Galipoli are on Churchill. He & FDR are proof >> >> that the victors write the history. > > Don't forget Dieppe... The Brits were smart to send the Canadians on that one. > It also makes me consider that the Battle Of Brittan was not all that big a deal. If the Germans managed to get air supremacy, all it means is that their attempted channel crossing would have been a total disaster. They were going to try to cross the channel with converted barges. Neither side had any idea of the logistics it would take to pull of a cross channel invasion. Like Galipoli: Aussies, Kiwis, & Irish > >> Getting back to my point Patton could not get it done when he needed to... > > He did good work in North Africa, Sicily and during operation Cobra. He only blew it big time once. Even Grant screwed up at Cold Harbor and Lee lost it for all the marbles at Gettysburg. IMHP he blew it when it mattered.
>We had some stupid generals. Did you ever see the numerical superiority we had at Normandy? Ike still almost blew it.
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On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:12:22 AM UTC-5, johnctxjets wrote:
The German general staff made every mistake they could make during the first
crucial hours of the invasion and the Allies still struggled.
You could have just as easily have been speaking about the Steelers this
The German general staff made every mistake they could make during the first
crucial hours of the invasion and the Allies still struggled.
past Sunday ; )
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