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Johnny Morongo
May 12, 2012, 12:39:01 PM5/12/12
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This observation comes from the blog, Gang Green Nation, by "tinley24".
As far as I'm concerned, the author has it right. Cavanaugh has a
proven track record of failure, and his three years with Sanchez is just
further proof. And now he's working on improving Tbow's mechanics?
It's just one of the reasons that I'm still skeptical about this year's
team's chances. Anyway, and FWIW:
__________________________________________________________________
Was this the WORST move of the off season ?
May 11, 2012 1:17 PM EDT
The draft is finished and we have a better idea of what type of squad we
will have going into the new season . We have filled some of our holes
and left others alone in the hope that they can fix themselves . But
something just occurred to me that the biggest requirement for a
successful season will be our play at QB .
We have 5 young guys on the team at the moment . We all know Mark
Sanchez and Tim Tebow but we also have Greg McElroy ,G.J. Kinnie and
Matt Simms . If you look at that list of QB's the one word you could use
to describe all of them is " potential " . They all need to be developed
for their game to improve . The person who's job it STILL is to develop
these guys is Matt Cavanaugh . We have seen how a coaching change helped
Alex Smith last year but we have stayed loyal to Matt Cavanaugh . Is
this the biggest make or break to our season ?
Well looking at how he did so far with Sanchez i would suggest we are in
for much of the same from Cavanaugh again this year . Hopefully the
change at OC might make a difference but its a long shot . With so many
young QB's on the roster we needed a coach that has a successful track
record developing young QB's but the FO stayed with what they had and
kept Matt Cavanaugh .
I am still very optimistic about our chances of success this year but
was keeping Matt Cavanaugh with such a young group of QB's the biggest
mistake we have made this year ?
Only time will tell but for me its just another example of the FO being
happy to stand still when other teams are moving forward . This year is
a big year for so many guys in this franchise and if Sanchez doesn't
improve then i think that Matt Cavanaugh and the FO should be held as
responsible as the player .
As far as I'm concerned, the author has it right. Cavanaugh has a
proven track record of failure, and his three years with Sanchez is just
further proof. And now he's working on improving Tbow's mechanics?
It's just one of the reasons that I'm still skeptical about this year's
team's chances. Anyway, and FWIW:
__________________________________________________________________
Was this the WORST move of the off season ?
May 11, 2012 1:17 PM EDT
The draft is finished and we have a better idea of what type of squad we
will have going into the new season . We have filled some of our holes
and left others alone in the hope that they can fix themselves . But
something just occurred to me that the biggest requirement for a
successful season will be our play at QB .
We have 5 young guys on the team at the moment . We all know Mark
Sanchez and Tim Tebow but we also have Greg McElroy ,G.J. Kinnie and
Matt Simms . If you look at that list of QB's the one word you could use
to describe all of them is " potential " . They all need to be developed
for their game to improve . The person who's job it STILL is to develop
these guys is Matt Cavanaugh . We have seen how a coaching change helped
Alex Smith last year but we have stayed loyal to Matt Cavanaugh . Is
this the biggest make or break to our season ?
Well looking at how he did so far with Sanchez i would suggest we are in
for much of the same from Cavanaugh again this year . Hopefully the
change at OC might make a difference but its a long shot . With so many
young QB's on the roster we needed a coach that has a successful track
record developing young QB's but the FO stayed with what they had and
kept Matt Cavanaugh .
I am still very optimistic about our chances of success this year but
was keeping Matt Cavanaugh with such a young group of QB's the biggest
mistake we have made this year ?
Only time will tell but for me its just another example of the FO being
happy to stand still when other teams are moving forward . This year is
a big year for so many guys in this franchise and if Sanchez doesn't
improve then i think that Matt Cavanaugh and the FO should be held as
responsible as the player .
Tutor
May 12, 2012, 6:06:00 PM5/12/12
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the name is Matt Cavanawful. Apparently he is the teflon don of jets
position coaches.
position coaches.
RävNsfän®
May 12, 2012, 11:18:22 PM5/12/12
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"Johnny Morongo" <Mor...@Burf.com> wrote in message
news:jom3nf$a4j$1...@dont-email.me...
: This observation comes from the blog, Gang Green Nation, by "tinley24".
Lesson learned in B'more. Ravens fans referred to him as Cavanawful
throughout his stint in B'more. ~Drew
news:jom3nf$a4j$1...@dont-email.me...
: This observation comes from the blog, Gang Green Nation, by "tinley24".
throughout his stint in B'more. ~Drew
Michael
May 13, 2012, 7:25:41 AM5/13/12
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when I detailed the "clues" I saw that rex, sanchez and a few others
on the offense were done with schotty. i went so far as to guarantee
that schotty would be gone given the writing i saw on the wall... i
had that one right, but i was all washed up on cav. i was sure he'd
be gone too. cav's skills or lack there of were not as directly
visible as schottys, but sanche'z regression or at least, lack of real
progress *could* be seen as a result of cav's missmanagment. that is
actually a stretch to make, because sanchez himself could be a problem
even for walsh. there is strong indication that sanchez is a talented
guy that was poorly coached. IMHO, that is the case... cav sucked.
i want to know how and why cav is still there ??? when they canned
shotty, cav should have gone with him.
what is up here ??? suggest a plot
Michael
May 13, 2012, 7:27:41 AM5/13/12
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On May 12, 11:18 pm, "RävNsfän®" <no!@#$%s...@myhouse.com> wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote in message
drew... do you have any idea what kept cav in baltimoe ??? how does
this guy manage to stick around ??? no organization is perfect, but
the ravrns are one of the best in the leage. how does a quality
outfit like that keep that hozer around ??? fill me in.
> "Johnny Morongo" <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote in message
this guy manage to stick around ??? no organization is perfect, but
the ravrns are one of the best in the leage. how does a quality
outfit like that keep that hozer around ??? fill me in.
Tutor
May 13, 2012, 9:10:58 PM5/13/12
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On May 12, 12:39 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mark-sanchez-turnovers-poor-decision-making-ny-jets-qb-coach-matt-cavanaugh-article-1.1077377
For all the coddling that Mark Sanchez has received by the Jets
organization in his first three years, quarterbacks coach Matt
Cavanaugh has never sugarcoated the truth with the young quarterback.
After Sanchez's uneven season that included a career-high 26 touchdown
passes and a career-high 26 turnovers, Cavanaugh laid out his goals
for the quarterback, including becoming an effective game manager in
Tony Sparano's new offensive system.
"There were turnovers that were not his fault that were credited to
him," Cavanaugh told the Daily News in his first public comments since
the Jets missed the playoffs at 8-8 last season. "But there were
enough that playing that position he needs to cut some of those down.
Most of them came from just poor decision-making."
"So I spent a lot of time with him talking about 'Let's get focused on
managing the game,'" Cavanaugh added. "Taking the big plays when
they're there (and) understanding that… even though it's drawn up to
be a touchdown, not every play has to be a touchdown. Not every play
has to be a completion. Sometimes throwing it away is a good thing.
Sometimes taking a sack is better than throwing an interception."
Last season, Cavanaugh admitted that those themes didn't make an
impact on Sanchez until the Jets finished the season in free fall.
"Sometimes when you have quote-unquote the success that he had the
first two years, maybe it doesn't hit home," Cavanaugh said. "Maybe
it's like, 'Hey, I thought I was playing pretty good. Yeah, I threw
some picks and some of them were bad decisions, but we still got to
the AFC Championship Game.' (Last) year, I think he became much more
aware (that) it's a fragile business."
Sanchez had thrown for 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions before an
epic three-week meltdown that included nine turnovers to end the
season.
"When we were sitting at 8-5, he probably still wasn't questioning
some of the decisions that he made that cost us a ball or cost us
points or put our defense in a tough spot," Cavanaugh admitted. "When
the season ended 8-8 and his last three games were not very good… I
think it became much more evident to him."
"The things that we talk about can't be a 'sometimes' thing,"
Cavanaugh added. "It's got to be a mentality that you have all the
time. It's not something that you just turn on and off. If you're free-
wheeling on your own a bunch of the time, you may be winning, but at
some point it's going to bite you in the rear end.… I think he
understands that now."
Cavanaugh echoed Sanchez's sentiment that the Jets' starter doesn't
need Tim Tebow, or any other quarterback, to push him to become
better. Cavanaugh reiterated that Sanchez still has the requisite
skill set to become a champion if he becomes more consistent.
"If you're going to be a really good quarterback, you're self-
motivated," Cavanaugh said. "I think he believes that in his heart.
He's as confident as anybody. He's as confident as I am that he can be
really really good in this league, win a lot of games and help us win
a Super Bowl if he stays focused, if he sticks to the game plan, if he
manages the game at the right time…"
"He knows he has that ability," Cavanaugh added. "So I don't think he
needs any outside forces to motivate him."
But does Sanchez have the mental fortitude to withstand fans clamoring
for the ultra-popular Tebow if he struggles?
"I think he's going to have to," Cavanaugh said. "I believe that most
quarterbacks who play really well consistently are not concerned with
who's behind them. They're concerned with what's in front of them
(and) what they want to accomplish. They know that this business
doesn't look kindly on people that don't get the job done. Eventually,
if you're not performing, you're not going to be playing."
"He knows regardless of who's behind him, who's on the roster (or) who
people want to compare him to," Cavanaugh added, "He knows that he
needs to play more consistently. That's the only focus I want him to
have. Because it's too distracting (and) it takes too much energy to
worry about other things."
Johnny Morongo
May 13, 2012, 11:13:15 PM5/13/12
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http://tinyurl.com/89zwp6k
____________________________________________________________________________
Mark Sanchez’s turnovers come from ‘poor decision- making’, NY Jets QB
coach Matt Cavanaugh says.
Adds that 'success' Sanchez had in 1st two seasons may have stunted QB's
growth
own a bunch of the time, you may be winning, but at some point it's
going to bite you in the rear end.… I think he understands that now."
Cavanaugh echoed Sanchez’s sentiment that the Jets starter doesn’t need
Tim Tebow, or any other quarterback, to push him to become better.
Cavanaugh reiterated that Sanchez still has the requisite skill-set to
going to bite you in the rear end.… I think he understands that now."
Cavanaugh echoed Sanchez’s sentiment that the Jets starter doesn’t need
Tim Tebow, or any other quarterback, to push him to become better.
become a champion if he becomes more consistent.
“If you’re going to be a really good quarterback, you’re
self-motivated,” Cavanaugh said. “I think he believes that in his heart.
“If you’re going to be a really good quarterback, you’re
He’s as confident as anybody. He’s as confident as I am that he can be
really really good in this league, win a lot of games and help us win a
Super Bowl if he stays focused, if he sticks to the game plan, if he
manages the game at the right time.
really really good in this league, win a lot of games and help us win a
Super Bowl if he stays focused, if he sticks to the game plan, if he
“He knows he has that ability,” Cavanaugh added. “So I don’t think he
needs any outside forces to motivate him.”
But does Sanchez have the mental fortitude to withstand fans clamoring
for the ultra-popular Tebow if he struggles?
“I think he’s going to have to,” Cavanaugh said. “I believe that most
quarterbacks who play really well consistently are not concerned with
who’s behind them. They’re concerned with what’s in front of them (and)
what they want to accomplish.
They know that this business doesn’t look kindly on people that don't
get the job done. Eventually, if you’re not performing, you’re not going
to be playing.
“He knows regardless of who’s behind him, who's on the roster (or) who
people want to compare him to... he knows that he needs to play more
But does Sanchez have the mental fortitude to withstand fans clamoring
for the ultra-popular Tebow if he struggles?
“I think he’s going to have to,” Cavanaugh said. “I believe that most
quarterbacks who play really well consistently are not concerned with
who’s behind them. They’re concerned with what’s in front of them (and)
what they want to accomplish.
They know that this business doesn’t look kindly on people that don't
get the job done. Eventually, if you’re not performing, you’re not going
to be playing.
“He knows regardless of who’s behind him, who's on the roster (or) who
consistently,” Cavanaugh said. “That’s the only focus I want him to
have. Because it’s too distracting (and) it takes too much energy to
worry about other things.”
_______________________________________________________________________
This guy is a real class act. Of course, he's really good at getting a
player to improve. Look at how well he's done with Mark.
JetsLife
May 14, 2012, 11:55:31 AM5/14/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
This isn't a reply directly to you but all commentators in this
thread:
Being contrarian/curious: just how much impact, good or bad, does any
QB coach have on a QB?
Isn't it about 1 million times more impt. who the OC is, and more
important than that: the personnel surrounding the QB?
I am decidely no expert on A) what QB coaches actually do and B) how
much impact they have on a QB. But I imagine it's not overly
consequential either way?
Papa Carl
May 14, 2012, 12:49:51 PM5/14/12
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"Johnny Morongo" wrote in message news:jopt8l$745$1...@dont-email.me...
coach. It's all BS. He takes no responsibility, doesn't acknowledge an
offense that made no sense at times or any other factor. Hell, that game
against Baltimore alone was enough to rattle any QB...not just a young one,
BAD decisions?????? Who the Hell's decision was it to have Hunter play
RT???? NO freakin pass protection for most of the season. Can anyone tell
me what success Cavanaugh has had? What is his strong point? What has he
ever done right?
Nomen Nescio
May 14, 2012, 2:50:33 PM5/14/12
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In article <2aSdneyIJectqizS...@giganews.com>
Trent Dilfer as QB. He has a lot of experience in the league:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Cavanaugh
"Papa Carl" <papa.c...@NOTATverizon.net> wrote:
> This sounds like a guy who doesn't really know what he wants to do as a
> coach. It's all BS. He takes no responsibility, doesn't acknowledge an
> offense that made no sense at times or any other factor. Hell, that game
> against Baltimore alone was enough to rattle any QB...not just a young one,
> BAD decisions?????? Who the Hell's decision was it to have Hunter play
> RT???? NO freakin pass protection for most of the season. Can anyone tell
> me what success Cavanaugh has had? What is his strong point? What has he
> ever done right?
He had pretty good success as OC with the Ravens, winning a SB with
> This sounds like a guy who doesn't really know what he wants to do as a
> coach. It's all BS. He takes no responsibility, doesn't acknowledge an
> offense that made no sense at times or any other factor. Hell, that game
> against Baltimore alone was enough to rattle any QB...not just a young one,
> BAD decisions?????? Who the Hell's decision was it to have Hunter play
> RT???? NO freakin pass protection for most of the season. Can anyone tell
> me what success Cavanaugh has had? What is his strong point? What has he
> ever done right?
Trent Dilfer as QB. He has a lot of experience in the league:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Cavanaugh
John C TX
May 14, 2012, 3:12:13 PM5/14/12
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Johnny, see it wasn't Schott!
:)
Rex may be loyal to a fault. Maybe Cavanaugh's wife has nice feet. Maybe Rex thinks Schott was the problem & prevented Cavanaugh from doing his job. Maybe Cavanaugh is retarded.
:)
Rex may be loyal to a fault. Maybe Cavanaugh's wife has nice feet. Maybe Rex thinks Schott was the problem & prevented Cavanaugh from doing his job. Maybe Cavanaugh is retarded.
Michael
May 14, 2012, 3:29:45 PM5/14/12
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On May 13, 11:13 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
> player to improve. Look at how well he's done with Mark.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is not "throwing him under the bus. This is honest and accurate
>
> - Show quoted text -
commentary from cav. Sanchez does not suck all the time... Only a lot
of the time. His decisions can be painfully bad to watch. That
leaves two questions.
1. Why ? (the position coaching, former offensive system or is sanchez
just a cement head)
2. Can he be fixed ?
Tutor
May 14, 2012, 4:19:26 PM5/14/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
I actually felt the same way about Cavanawful's comments. I think he
> - Show quoted text -
was spot on there. So he is honest at least. That doesn't make
Cavastrophe any better of a position coach, but at east there was one
shred of honesty from a breathing creature with major responsibility
on the coaching staff.
Tutor
May 14, 2012, 4:17:28 PM5/14/12
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On May 14, 2:50 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
> In article <2aSdneyIJectqizSnZ2dnUVZ_qidn...@giganews.com>
Ravens fans despise him in much the same way we despised Hackett and,
eventually, Schottenheimer. They are the ones who coined the phrase
"Cavanawful".
> In article <2aSdneyIJectqizSnZ2dnUVZ_qidn...@giganews.com>
eventually, Schottenheimer. They are the ones who coined the phrase
"Cavanawful".
Tutor
May 14, 2012, 4:19:53 PM5/14/12
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cd
May 14, 2012, 4:48:18 PM5/14/12
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Sparano isn't going to play nice with Cavanaugh as maybe
Schottenheimer did. This looks like Cavanaugh ahead of the crash,
sending up signals that Sanchez is already a problem. He wins if
Sanchez gets better, and if he doesn't simple validation of a known.
I have a lot of confidence in Sparano, think he will be the most in
your face OC the Jets have had, maybe since Weis,
Papa Carl
May 14, 2012, 5:36:44 PM5/14/12
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"Nomen Nescio" wrote in message
news:6e580247371eb80e...@dizum.com...
asking...I don't think he did a damn thing with the Jets in a positive
way...but that could have been the crappy system he was in...still...if he
was such a good OC....WHY did he take such a step down....he left Pitt as a
college OC to come back to the NFL as an assistant after having much higher
profile jobs...I don't see where this is going. Maybe I'm totally
wrong...he is great....and just never had an opportunity to do anything with
the mess that existed on offense. And...btw....the Ravens won that SB with
one of the best defenses to ever play the game, AND...he did get a QB who
for that year managed the game well. But I'd doubt I'd credit the SB win to
the OC in that season.
Harlan Lachman
May 14, 2012, 6:03:54 PM5/14/12
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In article <2aSdneyIJectqizS...@giganews.com>,
> Mark Sancheząs turnovers come from Śpoor decision- makingą, NY Jets QB
>
> Cavanaugh echoed Sancheząs sentiment that the Jets starter doesnąt need
> self-motivated,˛ Cavanaugh said. łI think he believes that in his heart.
> Heąs as confident as anybody. Heąs as confident as I am that he can be
> get the job done. Eventually, if youąre not performing, youąre not going
> to be playing.
>
> łHe knows regardless of whoąs behind him, who's on the roster (or) who
> have. Because itąs too distracting (and) it takes too much energy to
Do players get noticeably better each year and do they continue to
repeat errors? If so, the problem is with the coach. (College is
somewhat less so since coaches can take away scholarships and replace
lesser talent and at HS and the Pros (due to the cap at the latter) easy
upgrades are not possible.
Matt has been a breath of a latrine that has never been cleaned out. I
hope Sparano cans him before preseason or we be in trouble.
h
> coach Matt Cavanaugh says.
> Adds that 'success' Sanchez had in 1st two seasons may have stunted QB's
> growth
>
> For all the coddling that Mark Sanchez has received by the Jets
> organization in his first three years, quarterbacks coach Matt Cavanaugh
> has never sugarcoated the truth with the young quarterback. After
> Sanchez's uneven season that included a career-high 26 touchdown passes
> and a career-high 26 turnovers, Cavanaugh laid out his goals for the
> quarterback, including becoming an effective game manager in Tony
> Sparano's new offensive system.
>
> "There were turnovers that were not his fault that were credited to
> him," Cavanaugh told the Daily News in his first public comments since
> the Jets missed the playoffs at 8-8 last season. "But there were enough
> that playing that position he needs to cut some of those down. Most of
> them came from just poor decision-making."
>
> "So I spent a lot of time with him talking about 'Let's get focused on
> managing the game,'" Cavanaugh added. "Taking the big plays when they're
> there (and) understanding thatŠ even though it's drawn up to be a
> Adds that 'success' Sanchez had in 1st two seasons may have stunted QB's
> growth
>
> For all the coddling that Mark Sanchez has received by the Jets
> organization in his first three years, quarterbacks coach Matt Cavanaugh
> has never sugarcoated the truth with the young quarterback. After
> Sanchez's uneven season that included a career-high 26 touchdown passes
> and a career-high 26 turnovers, Cavanaugh laid out his goals for the
> quarterback, including becoming an effective game manager in Tony
> Sparano's new offensive system.
>
> "There were turnovers that were not his fault that were credited to
> him," Cavanaugh told the Daily News in his first public comments since
> the Jets missed the playoffs at 8-8 last season. "But there were enough
> that playing that position he needs to cut some of those down. Most of
> them came from just poor decision-making."
>
> "So I spent a lot of time with him talking about 'Let's get focused on
> managing the game,'" Cavanaugh added. "Taking the big plays when they're
> touchdown, not every play has to be a touchdown. Not every play has to
> be a completion. Sometimes throwing it away is a good thing. Sometimes
> taking a sack is better than throwing an interception."
>
> Last season, Cavanaugh admitted that those themes didn't make an impact
> on Sanchez until the Jets finished the season in free fall.
>
> "Sometimes when you have quote-unquote the success that he had the first
> two years, maybe it doesn't hit home," Cavanaugh said. "Maybe it's like,
> 'Hey, I thought I was playing pretty good. Yeah, I threw some picks and
> some of them were bad decisions, but we still got to the AFC
> Championship Game.' (Last) year, I think he became much more aware
> (that) it's a fragile business."
>
> Sanchez had thrown for 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions before an epic
> three-week meltdown that included nine turnovers to end the season.
>
> "When we were sitting at 8-5, he probably still wasn't questioning some
> of the decisions that he made that cost us a ball or cost us points or
> put our defense in a tough spot," Cavanaugh admitted. "When the season
> ended 8-8 and his last three games were not very goodŠ I think it became
> be a completion. Sometimes throwing it away is a good thing. Sometimes
> taking a sack is better than throwing an interception."
>
> Last season, Cavanaugh admitted that those themes didn't make an impact
> on Sanchez until the Jets finished the season in free fall.
>
> "Sometimes when you have quote-unquote the success that he had the first
> two years, maybe it doesn't hit home," Cavanaugh said. "Maybe it's like,
> 'Hey, I thought I was playing pretty good. Yeah, I threw some picks and
> some of them were bad decisions, but we still got to the AFC
> Championship Game.' (Last) year, I think he became much more aware
> (that) it's a fragile business."
>
> Sanchez had thrown for 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions before an epic
> three-week meltdown that included nine turnovers to end the season.
>
> "When we were sitting at 8-5, he probably still wasn't questioning some
> of the decisions that he made that cost us a ball or cost us points or
> put our defense in a tough spot," Cavanaugh admitted. "When the season
> much more evident to him."
>
> "The things that we talk about can't be a 'sometimes' thing," Cavanaugh
> added. "It's got to be a mentality that you have all the time. It's not
> something that you just turn on and off. If you're free-wheeling on your
> own a bunch of the time, you may be winning, but at some point it's
> going to bite you in the rear end.Š I think he understands that now."
>
> "The things that we talk about can't be a 'sometimes' thing," Cavanaugh
> added. "It's got to be a mentality that you have all the time. It's not
> something that you just turn on and off. If you're free-wheeling on your
> own a bunch of the time, you may be winning, but at some point it's
>
> Cavanaugh echoed Sancheząs sentiment that the Jets starter doesnąt need
> Tim Tebow, or any other quarterback, to push him to become better.
> Cavanaugh reiterated that Sanchez still has the requisite skill-set to
> become a champion if he becomes more consistent.
>
> łIf youąre going to be a really good quarterback, youąre
> Cavanaugh reiterated that Sanchez still has the requisite skill-set to
> become a champion if he becomes more consistent.
>
> self-motivated,˛ Cavanaugh said. łI think he believes that in his heart.
> Heąs as confident as anybody. Heąs as confident as I am that he can be
> really really good in this league, win a lot of games and help us win a
> Super Bowl if he stays focused, if he sticks to the game plan, if he
> manages the game at the right time.
>
> łHe knows he has that ability,˛ Cavanaugh added. łSo I donąt think he
> Super Bowl if he stays focused, if he sticks to the game plan, if he
> manages the game at the right time.
>
> needs any outside forces to motivate him.˛
>
> But does Sanchez have the mental fortitude to withstand fans clamoring
> for the ultra-popular Tebow if he struggles?
>
> łI think heąs going to have to,˛ Cavanaugh said. łI believe that most
>
> But does Sanchez have the mental fortitude to withstand fans clamoring
> for the ultra-popular Tebow if he struggles?
>
> quarterbacks who play really well consistently are not concerned with
> whoąs behind them. Theyąre concerned with whatąs in front of them (and)
> what they want to accomplish.
> They know that this business doesnąt look kindly on people that don't
> get the job done. Eventually, if youąre not performing, youąre not going
> to be playing.
>
> łHe knows regardless of whoąs behind him, who's on the roster (or) who
> people want to compare him to... he knows that he needs to play more
> consistently,˛ Cavanaugh said. łThatąs the only focus I want him to
> have. Because itąs too distracting (and) it takes too much energy to
> worry about other things.˛
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> This guy is a real class act. Of course, he's really good at getting a
> player to improve. Look at how well he's done with Mark.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> This sounds like a guy who doesn't really know what he wants to do as a
> coach. It's all BS. He takes no responsibility, doesn't acknowledge an
> offense that made no sense at times or any other factor. Hell, that game
> against Baltimore alone was enough to rattle any QB...not just a young one,
> BAD decisions?????? Who the Hell's decision was it to have Hunter play
> RT???? NO freakin pass protection for most of the season. Can anyone tell
> me what success Cavanaugh has had? What is his strong point? What has he
> ever done right?
As a coach, one should be judged by how one shapes the talent one has.
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> This guy is a real class act. Of course, he's really good at getting a
> player to improve. Look at how well he's done with Mark.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> This sounds like a guy who doesn't really know what he wants to do as a
> coach. It's all BS. He takes no responsibility, doesn't acknowledge an
> offense that made no sense at times or any other factor. Hell, that game
> against Baltimore alone was enough to rattle any QB...not just a young one,
> BAD decisions?????? Who the Hell's decision was it to have Hunter play
> RT???? NO freakin pass protection for most of the season. Can anyone tell
> me what success Cavanaugh has had? What is his strong point? What has he
> ever done right?
Do players get noticeably better each year and do they continue to
repeat errors? If so, the problem is with the coach. (College is
somewhat less so since coaches can take away scholarships and replace
lesser talent and at HS and the Pros (due to the cap at the latter) easy
upgrades are not possible.
Matt has been a breath of a latrine that has never been cleaned out. I
hope Sparano cans him before preseason or we be in trouble.
h
Anonymous
May 14, 2012, 6:57:21 PM5/14/12
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begin with, not because of his pro coaches. The way some of you
talk about coaching, you would think that QB coaches would be
household names because of the great QB's they've created, you
know, Brady/Manning1/Manning2/Brees/Rogers/Staubach/Montana etc.
>If so, the problem is with the coach. (College is
> somewhat less so since coaches can take away scholarships and replace
> lesser talent and at HS and the Pros (due to the cap at the latter) easy
> upgrades are not possible.
>
> Matt has been a breath of a latrine that has never been cleaned out. I
> hope Sparano cans him before preseason or we be in trouble.
Cavanaugh worked with Ryan in Baltimore, Ryan knew exactly what he
was getting when he hired him. If you indict him, you indict Ryan.
Cavanaugh sounds like one of those old-salt types like Stottlemyre
the head coach keeps around so he can get some honest answers
instead of butt-kissing.
Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> As a coach, one should be judged by how one shapes the talent one has.
> Do players get noticeably better each year and do they continue to
> repeat errors?
Most of the time, that's because the player isn't that great to
> As a coach, one should be judged by how one shapes the talent one has.
> Do players get noticeably better each year and do they continue to
> repeat errors?
begin with, not because of his pro coaches. The way some of you
talk about coaching, you would think that QB coaches would be
household names because of the great QB's they've created, you
know, Brady/Manning1/Manning2/Brees/Rogers/Staubach/Montana etc.
>If so, the problem is with the coach. (College is
> somewhat less so since coaches can take away scholarships and replace
> lesser talent and at HS and the Pros (due to the cap at the latter) easy
> upgrades are not possible.
>
> Matt has been a breath of a latrine that has never been cleaned out. I
> hope Sparano cans him before preseason or we be in trouble.
was getting when he hired him. If you indict him, you indict Ryan.
Cavanaugh sounds like one of those old-salt types like Stottlemyre
the head coach keeps around so he can get some honest answers
instead of butt-kissing.
Papa Carl
May 14, 2012, 7:20:43 PM5/14/12
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given the way the rest of the O played last season, especially after that
Baltimore game.....Sanchez was in fear of getting killed most of the season
and they got little help from key players...I am saying the smart thing for
Cav to have done would be to say as little as possible. You can not judge
last season by looking at one player's decisions...what great decisions
could Cav make while about to be pounded into the ground?
Papa Carl
May 14, 2012, 9:26:33 PM5/14/12
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first year with the Jets and Dan Henning was the QB coach. The same QB
coach who the next season got Lucas to play way above his ability.
Hammer
May 15, 2012, 7:23:05 AM5/15/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
What do you mean, eventually??? :)
> - Show quoted text -
Nomen Nescio
May 15, 2012, 9:04:11 AM5/15/12
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he wasn't injured. I think it was more Parcells telling him "Stop
throwing int's or else" than anything. In any case, what you are
saying is that a mediocre qb can be made serviceable if you sit on
his face hard enough. Is the QB coach's teaching forgotten
as soon as he leaves? As soon as Parcells was gone, Vinny was
back to Mr. Int machine. (You forgot: Parcells' first year he
didn't have Vinny, Vinny only played in Parcell's second year,
and the third year Vinny was hurt, so it looks like Parcells had
as much or more to do with it than Henning). And just how good was
Lucas, with or
without Henning? How do you know he was playing above his ability?
What you seem to be saying is: with the perfect QB coach, Sanchez
could
be ok. Yeah, maybe, but it doesn't sound good for his long-term
chances.
"Papa Carl" <papa.c...@NOTATverizon.net> wrote:
> Being contrarian/curious: just how much impact, good or bad, does any
> QB coach have on a QB?
>
> Isn't it about 1 million times more impt. who the OC is, and more
> important than that: the personnel surrounding the QB?
>
> I am decidely no expert on A) what QB coaches actually do and B) how
> much impact they have on a QB. But I imagine it's not overly
> consequential either way?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Hint: What was the best season of Vinny Testaverde's career? Answer: The
> first year with the Jets and Dan Henning was the QB coach. The same QB
> coach who the next season got Lucas to play way above his ability.
His best season was when Bill Parcells was the head coach and when
> Being contrarian/curious: just how much impact, good or bad, does any
> QB coach have on a QB?
>
> Isn't it about 1 million times more impt. who the OC is, and more
> important than that: the personnel surrounding the QB?
>
> I am decidely no expert on A) what QB coaches actually do and B) how
> much impact they have on a QB. But I imagine it's not overly
> consequential either way?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Hint: What was the best season of Vinny Testaverde's career? Answer: The
> first year with the Jets and Dan Henning was the QB coach. The same QB
> coach who the next season got Lucas to play way above his ability.
he wasn't injured. I think it was more Parcells telling him "Stop
throwing int's or else" than anything. In any case, what you are
saying is that a mediocre qb can be made serviceable if you sit on
his face hard enough. Is the QB coach's teaching forgotten
as soon as he leaves? As soon as Parcells was gone, Vinny was
back to Mr. Int machine. (You forgot: Parcells' first year he
didn't have Vinny, Vinny only played in Parcell's second year,
and the third year Vinny was hurt, so it looks like Parcells had
as much or more to do with it than Henning). And just how good was
Lucas, with or
without Henning? How do you know he was playing above his ability?
What you seem to be saying is: with the perfect QB coach, Sanchez
could
be ok. Yeah, maybe, but it doesn't sound good for his long-term
chances.
Tutor
May 15, 2012, 9:30:23 AM5/15/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
You are forgetting the many plays where Sanchez had time, was
> - Show quoted text -
unmolested and still made the worst possible decision. If you check,
I'll bet we find that way under half his million turnovers were caused
by opposing passrush.
Michael
May 15, 2012, 12:26:11 PM5/15/12
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On May 15, 9:04 am, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
> In article <8r2dnXmzKNZULSzSnZ2dnUVZ_oydn...@giganews.com>
you make a good point. this is why I have been so excited about
Sparano. I think it is great that rex now has an OC that is a no
frills run oriented OC that knows how to use his o-line guys to go
effect. what I am most excited about is sparano's reputation for
being a no nonsense hard ass. Sparano wont give Sanchez warm milk and
tuck him into bed. I don't see Sparano licking Ryan's knuckles nor do
I see him letting cav piss in his broth. Sparano is a leader and a
real coach. even if cav sucks and rex wants to stick his fingers in
the offensive pie, Sparano wont have it. rex himself said he did not
like Sparano when he coached for the fins because "Sparano thinks he
is as tuff as I am". with Sparano who is pretty much the jets second
HC, we don't have to worry about a mixed up convoluted situation with
the offense due to meddling nor do we have to worry about bozo players
acting out or sulking. that shit is done. cav is the one that is
going to be playing follow the leader. as for sanchez... no more warm
milk and cookies. i want his Cali ass and his psyche pounded until he
becomes a man or decides he'd rather go to LA and be a model. hump or
hit the bricks, kid...
> In article <8r2dnXmzKNZULSzSnZ2dnUVZ_oydn...@giganews.com>
Sparano. I think it is great that rex now has an OC that is a no
frills run oriented OC that knows how to use his o-line guys to go
effect. what I am most excited about is sparano's reputation for
being a no nonsense hard ass. Sparano wont give Sanchez warm milk and
tuck him into bed. I don't see Sparano licking Ryan's knuckles nor do
I see him letting cav piss in his broth. Sparano is a leader and a
real coach. even if cav sucks and rex wants to stick his fingers in
the offensive pie, Sparano wont have it. rex himself said he did not
like Sparano when he coached for the fins because "Sparano thinks he
is as tuff as I am". with Sparano who is pretty much the jets second
HC, we don't have to worry about a mixed up convoluted situation with
the offense due to meddling nor do we have to worry about bozo players
acting out or sulking. that shit is done. cav is the one that is
going to be playing follow the leader. as for sanchez... no more warm
milk and cookies. i want his Cali ass and his psyche pounded until he
becomes a man or decides he'd rather go to LA and be a model. hump or
hit the bricks, kid...
Papa Carl
May 15, 2012, 12:44:43 PM5/15/12
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But.....Dan Henning was the QB coach. In the game
when Vinny went down Lucas was not even dressed. Before that game you could
see Lucas sitting on the bench with Henning, Henning's arm around Lucas
consoling him.
They went out and got Mirer who did not get it done and went to Lucas. Lucas
never played as well again as he did under Henning's tutelage that year. As
for who was the
coach that made the difference it was absolutely Henning. Doug Williams was
the MVP in a Redskins SB win...and Henning was there then too....Doug
Williams has said publicly
that he gave the game ball he was awarded to Henning. VT has referenced his
performance with the Jets as being the work of Henning. I think you grossly
overestimate how much time
an NFL head coach has to deal with everything. The skill sets of the QB and
his ability to deal with the game AND the head coach are the work of the QB
coach. Again, OMHO.
Papa Carl
May 15, 2012, 12:50:29 PM5/15/12
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sicken me. What I saw was he does
get rattled badly after being hit or rushed. And, he does not seem to do
well when others start to screw up. Last season he
had more than any QB's share of balls that should have been caught and
weren't. You may be right...I was screaming about him
a lot last season and I went nuts when I heard an interview with him and he
sounded like a whining brat. But...I still can't get over
how totally inept the entire offensive scheme was last season and I
attribute a lot to that. I'm certain that had a lot to do with
Schott's departure too. I can see your point...I'm not a fan of Sanchez,
but he has done some things really well at times and
I'd like to see someone develop that and build on what he can do and not
play to his weakness...which is exactly what the
process has been...he is not a straight drop back QB....OMHO.
Johnny Morongo
May 15, 2012, 1:35:31 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/2012 6:30 AM, Tutor wrote:
>
> You are forgetting the many plays where Sanchez had time, was
> unmolested and still made the worst possible decision. If you check,
> I'll bet we find that way under half his million turnovers were caused
> by opposing passrush.
So this story, just out today, has our favorite Matt praising Tbow.
>
> You are forgetting the many plays where Sanchez had time, was
> unmolested and still made the worst possible decision. If you check,
> I'll bet we find that way under half his million turnovers were caused
> by opposing passrush.
Curious. It's also curious that until this time, in this year,
Cavenawful has never come forward to make this kind of public comment.
And he's been here now, what 7 years? Very strange. Like someone let
the dog loose. Maybe on purpose? Is he a warning shot across Mark's
bow, setting the stage for his inevitable downfall?
Tim Tebow continues to impress NY Jets coaches at quarterback position
with progress and tireless work ethic
Mark Sanchez should be on notice as Tebow getting noticed by QB coach
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tim-tebow-continues-impress-ny-jets-coaches-quarterback-position-progress-tireless-work-ethic-article-1.1078309#ixzz1uxbYjePJ
ESPN also has a print and video page:
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7932591/new-york-jets-qbs-coach-matt-cavanaugh-says-tim-tebow-very-good
The video piece has an interesting take by Merril Hodge (sp?) who has an
interesting comment on Tbow's accuracy, which he says is unfixable. He
doesn't, however, note that Sanchez's biggest problem as a passer, and
this has been true of him for his three years here, is the fact that he
was always throwing behind his receivers, i.e., he too is inaccurate.
Nice coaching job, Matt, you clown.
But, IMHO, neither of them are accurate QBs. But there maybe a more
accurate passer than either of them who, like Tbow, is a former National
Champion, and he's already on the roster.
My vision: Sanchez gets hammered in the first game by Mario Williams who
runs over an invisible Hunter, knocking him out of the game and putting
him on the IR, Tbow comes in and completes more passes into the ground
or to the opposing team than he does to his own receivers over that
nasty first five game stretch, and Rex is forced to turn to McElroy, who
does a Wally Pip on both of them and we wind up with a new, sixth round,
franchise QB for the next 15 years, a la Brady's run up in NE.
Papa Carl
May 15, 2012, 2:13:57 PM5/15/12
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right???? They would never allow that or even help it to develop.
My gut says Woody wanted Tebow and wants him to play...he likes all the
press and drama that comes with Tebow and he may have even had a sip
of Rex's lemonade about defense being able to win it all. I still think
this is going to be a circus, and Tebow will wind up getting to be the
starter
at some point. God I hope one of those young guys is really good.
Michael
May 15, 2012, 2:34:10 PM5/15/12
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On May 15, 1:35 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
> On 5/15/2012 6:30 AM, Tutor wrote:
>
>
>
> > You are forgetting the many plays where Sanchez had time, was
> > unmolested and still made the worst possible decision. If you check,
> > I'll bet we find that way under half his million turnovers were caused
> > by opposing passrush.
>
> So this story, just out today, has our favorite Matt praising Tbow.
> Curious. It's also curious that until this time, in this year,
> Cavenawful has never come forward to make this kind of public comment.
> And he's been here now, what 7 years? Very strange. Like someone let
> the dog loose. Maybe on purpose? Is he a warning shot across Mark's
> bow, setting the stage for his inevitable downfall?
>
> Tim Tebow continues to impress NY Jets coaches at quarterback position
> with progress and tireless work ethic
> Mark Sanchez should be on notice as Tebow getting noticed by QB coach
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tim-tebow-continues-i...
> On 5/15/2012 6:30 AM, Tutor wrote:
>
>
>
> > You are forgetting the many plays where Sanchez had time, was
> > unmolested and still made the worst possible decision. If you check,
> > I'll bet we find that way under half his million turnovers were caused
> > by opposing passrush.
>
> So this story, just out today, has our favorite Matt praising Tbow.
> Curious. It's also curious that until this time, in this year,
> Cavenawful has never come forward to make this kind of public comment.
> And he's been here now, what 7 years? Very strange. Like someone let
> the dog loose. Maybe on purpose? Is he a warning shot across Mark's
> bow, setting the stage for his inevitable downfall?
>
> Tim Tebow continues to impress NY Jets coaches at quarterback position
> with progress and tireless work ethic
> Mark Sanchez should be on notice as Tebow getting noticed by QB coach
>
>
> ESPN also has a print and video page:
>
> http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7932591/new-york-jets-qbs-...
> ESPN also has a print and video page:
>
>
> The video piece has an interesting take by Merril Hodge (sp?) who has an
> interesting comment on Tbow's accuracy, which he says is unfixable. He
> doesn't, however, note that Sanchez's biggest problem as a passer, and
> this has been true of him for his three years here, is the fact that he
> was always throwing behind his receivers, i.e., he too is inaccurate.
> Nice coaching job, Matt, you clown.
>
> But, IMHO, neither of them are accurate QBs. But there maybe a more
> accurate passer than either of them who, like Tbow, is a former National
> Champion, and he's already on the roster.
>
> My vision: Sanchez gets hammered in the first game by Mario Williams who
> runs over an invisible Hunter, knocking him out of the game and putting
> him on the IR, Tbow comes in and completes more passes into the ground
> or to the opposing team than he does to his own receivers over that
> nasty first five game stretch, and Rex is forced to turn to McElroy, who
> does a Wally Pip on both of them and we wind up with a new, sixth round,
> franchise QB for the next 15 years, a la Brady's
not probable, but at least you have written somthing with a happy
> The video piece has an interesting take by Merril Hodge (sp?) who has an
> interesting comment on Tbow's accuracy, which he says is unfixable. He
> doesn't, however, note that Sanchez's biggest problem as a passer, and
> this has been true of him for his three years here, is the fact that he
> was always throwing behind his receivers, i.e., he too is inaccurate.
> Nice coaching job, Matt, you clown.
>
> But, IMHO, neither of them are accurate QBs. But there maybe a more
> accurate passer than either of them who, like Tbow, is a former National
> Champion, and he's already on the roster.
>
> My vision: Sanchez gets hammered in the first game by Mario Williams who
> runs over an invisible Hunter, knocking him out of the game and putting
> him on the IR, Tbow comes in and completes more passes into the ground
> or to the opposing team than he does to his own receivers over that
> nasty first five game stretch, and Rex is forced to turn to McElroy, who
> does a Wally Pip on both of them and we wind up with a new, sixth round,
> franchise QB for the next 15 years, a la Brady's
ending for once. that's progress.
RävNsfän®
May 15, 2012, 6:14:11 PM5/15/12
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"Michael" <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On May 12, 11:18 pm, "RävNsfän®" <no!@#$%s...@myhouse.com> wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jom3nf$a4j$1...@dont-email.me...
> Lesson learned in B'more. Ravens fans referred to him as Cavanawful
> throughout his stint in B'more. ~Drew
drew... do you have any idea what kept cav in baltimoe ??? how does
this guy manage to stick around ??? no organization is perfect, but
the ravrns are one of the best in the leage. how does a quality
outfit like that keep that hozer around ??? fill me in.
Well Mike, as you know Billick always was his own biggest fan. He arrived in
B'more ...96 % pure EGO & 4 % water vapor after his "genius" stint as OC
with the Vikings NFL record leading juggernaut offense the year prior.
Cavanaugh was among the staff he towed into town but I am not certain that
Cav was an offensive coach under Billick while in Minnesota. Neither here
nor there thanks to a great defensive unit that allowed Billick to hand then
owner, Art Modell, the allusive - only SB trophy during his lengthy NFL
franchise ownership. In Modell's eyes and heart Billick could do no wrong.
Funny, ...or perhaps not so, is the fact that I was calling for Billick's
genius head within our NG from the 4th game into that 2000 season to when he
was canned. The Ravens passing offenses remained anemic without the
franchise QB that Billick believed he would choose via the draft and which
failed on two separate occasions. Since Testiverdi and until McNair in 2006,
the Ravens had not come close to fielding an NFL caliber QB.
When new owner, Steve Biscotti, took over the franchise the Ravens had gone
to the playoffs the prior season. The next season the Ravens floundered as
they generally did under Bilick, ...up then down in alternate seasons.
Biscotti finally ordered Billick to shit-can Cavanaugh 1/3 the way into his
2nd season as the owner and that shook Billick to his core so that he took
over as OC for the remainder of that season and the team (up again) went to
the playoffs. Biscotti paid big bucks to Billick when renewing his contract
at the end of that season. The following year Billick installed his
brother-in-law as OC and the inconsistent Ravens belly-flopped once again.
Obvious to the owner then was that Cavanaugh wasn't the only problem needing
correction. Thus, by the end of his second season into his new four year
mega-contract, Billick was served up his own walking papers by Bisciotti,
which re-earned my respect lost when he re-signed him. Taking that financial
loss squarely from his personal bank account was awe inspiring. Bisciotti
realized his error and despite the financial loss did what needed to be
done.
Billick never had, nor will he ever have, the guts to admit his errors. had
he done so he might still be coaching. Just shows how everyone within the
NFL realized that Billick was not the "genius" that he had proclaimed of
himself within his book.
--
~Drew
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On May 12, 11:18 pm, "RävNsfän®" <no!@#$%s...@myhouse.com> wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jom3nf$a4j$1...@dont-email.me...
> throughout his stint in B'more. ~Drew
drew... do you have any idea what kept cav in baltimoe ??? how does
this guy manage to stick around ??? no organization is perfect, but
the ravrns are one of the best in the leage. how does a quality
outfit like that keep that hozer around ??? fill me in.
Well Mike, as you know Billick always was his own biggest fan. He arrived in
B'more ...96 % pure EGO & 4 % water vapor after his "genius" stint as OC
with the Vikings NFL record leading juggernaut offense the year prior.
Cavanaugh was among the staff he towed into town but I am not certain that
Cav was an offensive coach under Billick while in Minnesota. Neither here
nor there thanks to a great defensive unit that allowed Billick to hand then
owner, Art Modell, the allusive - only SB trophy during his lengthy NFL
franchise ownership. In Modell's eyes and heart Billick could do no wrong.
Funny, ...or perhaps not so, is the fact that I was calling for Billick's
genius head within our NG from the 4th game into that 2000 season to when he
was canned. The Ravens passing offenses remained anemic without the
franchise QB that Billick believed he would choose via the draft and which
failed on two separate occasions. Since Testiverdi and until McNair in 2006,
the Ravens had not come close to fielding an NFL caliber QB.
When new owner, Steve Biscotti, took over the franchise the Ravens had gone
to the playoffs the prior season. The next season the Ravens floundered as
they generally did under Bilick, ...up then down in alternate seasons.
Biscotti finally ordered Billick to shit-can Cavanaugh 1/3 the way into his
2nd season as the owner and that shook Billick to his core so that he took
over as OC for the remainder of that season and the team (up again) went to
the playoffs. Biscotti paid big bucks to Billick when renewing his contract
at the end of that season. The following year Billick installed his
brother-in-law as OC and the inconsistent Ravens belly-flopped once again.
Obvious to the owner then was that Cavanaugh wasn't the only problem needing
correction. Thus, by the end of his second season into his new four year
mega-contract, Billick was served up his own walking papers by Bisciotti,
which re-earned my respect lost when he re-signed him. Taking that financial
loss squarely from his personal bank account was awe inspiring. Bisciotti
realized his error and despite the financial loss did what needed to be
done.
Billick never had, nor will he ever have, the guts to admit his errors. had
he done so he might still be coaching. Just shows how everyone within the
NFL realized that Billick was not the "genius" that he had proclaimed of
himself within his book.
--
~Drew
RävNsfän®
May 15, 2012, 6:55:29 PM5/15/12
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Please... "good success" with the Ravens as OC? He failed to make it beyond
his first season at Penn State after B'more canned him.
Matt Stover, rookie RB Jamal Lewis and more importantly, the Baltimore
Ravens records breaking-records setting, historic defense carried a mediocre
QB, a dozen or so average to just above average coaches, and their loser of
a franchise owner in Art Modell to the only successes they likely ever will
know. Only HC'es,... Marvin Lewis (Cinnci), Rex Ryan (Jets) and Mike Smith
(Atlanta), retain the opportunity to extricate themselves from under the
shadow cast by the Ravens great defensive success story in 2000.
--
~Drew
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: In article <2aSdneyIJectqizS...@giganews.com>
his first season at Penn State after B'more canned him.
Matt Stover, rookie RB Jamal Lewis and more importantly, the Baltimore
Ravens records breaking-records setting, historic defense carried a mediocre
QB, a dozen or so average to just above average coaches, and their loser of
a franchise owner in Art Modell to the only successes they likely ever will
know. Only HC'es,... Marvin Lewis (Cinnci), Rex Ryan (Jets) and Mike Smith
(Atlanta), retain the opportunity to extricate themselves from under the
shadow cast by the Ravens great defensive success story in 2000.
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~Drew
RävNsfän®
May 15, 2012, 7:03:13 PM5/15/12
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Thanks for the recognition Tutor. Ravens fans did pay dearly for far too
many conservative seasons to earn the right to coin said phrase. However,
should anyone believe that there is a need to resurrect said coined phrase
from time to time then please, by all means ...feel free to have at it with
our blessings!
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~Drew
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many conservative seasons to earn the right to coin said phrase. However,
should anyone believe that there is a need to resurrect said coined phrase
from time to time then please, by all means ...feel free to have at it with
our blessings!
--
~Drew
Michael
May 15, 2012, 8:37:00 PM5/15/12
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On May 15, 6:14 pm, "RävNsfän®" <no!@#$%s...@myhouse.com> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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cav's leash... i'm not quite sure what is keeping him with the jets. i
thought cav was "block cast" with schotty jr. i was actually quite
surprised that the jets retained cav after they euphemistically shit-
canned schotty jr. since rex has ties to both the ravens and billic,
perhaps rex feels comfortable with cav. we both know how much rex
gives a shit about passing, so he probably could care less about
paying attention to the lack of quality displayed by his qb coach.
given what you just detailed for me, ryan may very well be the guy
that pushed to keep cav around even after schotty was kissed off. that
is about the only thing i can come up with. it seems everywhere cav
goes, the fan base wants his head on a paper plate. my hope is that
sparano swings his balls around and knocks cav out of the way.
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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drew... i had no idea, but it figures that poser billick was holding
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cav's leash... i'm not quite sure what is keeping him with the jets. i
thought cav was "block cast" with schotty jr. i was actually quite
surprised that the jets retained cav after they euphemistically shit-
canned schotty jr. since rex has ties to both the ravens and billic,
perhaps rex feels comfortable with cav. we both know how much rex
gives a shit about passing, so he probably could care less about
paying attention to the lack of quality displayed by his qb coach.
given what you just detailed for me, ryan may very well be the guy
that pushed to keep cav around even after schotty was kissed off. that
is about the only thing i can come up with. it seems everywhere cav
goes, the fan base wants his head on a paper plate. my hope is that
sparano swings his balls around and knocks cav out of the way.
Johnny Morongo
May 15, 2012, 9:36:05 PM5/15/12
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you so readily accept what Drew and other Ravens fans have to say about
Cav but won't hear any negatives at all about from the Dolphins fans who
have told you,on more than one occasion, how badly your Uncle Tony
sucked as a HC down there. Whistling past the graveyard, are we?
Michael
May 15, 2012, 9:52:26 PM5/15/12
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dolphins fans know their problem is ross and ireland... sparano was
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scape goated.
we'll talk more about uncle tony as the season progresses. i trust my
evaluation and instincts... sparano is a good man... and even better
one for what the jets are doing right now
Michael
May 15, 2012, 10:00:36 PM5/15/12
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forgot to add... as far as cav goes.... i'm not convinced one way or
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the other yet, but currently, i'd be more apt to believe that he
sucks...
Tutor
May 16, 2012, 8:34:48 AM5/16/12
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On May 15, 9:36 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
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Johnny, in actuality, most Dolphin fans have had their panties in a
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bunch not about Sparano but Ireland/Ross and the rest of the FO. Most
will tell you that Tony never had a fair chance. Also, there is a
huge difference between OC and HC. I guess the same might be said for
QB position coach and OC when discussing Cavanaugh, but at least with
Cavanaugh we have a negative track record in both. Not so with
Sparano. He did wedll enough in Dallas on the offensive side.
Michael
May 16, 2012, 5:03:17 PM5/16/12
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sparano was upwardly mobile at a fast pace in his career from minor
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college to dalls to HAND PICKED HC of the Fish by Tuna... Fools and
duds dont make an impression on Tuna and Henning like Sparano did.
Sparano's HC tenure got off to a great start... Winning the DIV with
none other than pop gun. His line and running game were THE BEST in
the league. Sparano did not slow down until he hit a speed bump in the
form of Ross and IReland. That is not a speed bump... That i a
fucking speed mountain.
I have had enough of the posters in here that say my regard for
Sparano is missplaced or unfounded. Look at his career. Up up and up
until those two dip shits. And now, we got uncle Tony. Fins loss is
our gain.
You'll see.... If ever I was sure about anything football related
before it was proven it is that Sparano is a serious piece of
manpower. He knows what he is doing and he is an excellent football
leader. The icing on the cake is that he fits the Rex jets like a
glove.
Anonymous
May 16, 2012, 11:42:55 PM5/16/12
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they have a mediocre/bad QB, as most teams do. For instance,
Schottenheimer here. When they have a good QB, no one can do
wrong (how did Tony Dungy last so long?). The fans always
call for the backup QB when the starter can't do the job,
even if the backup is worse.
Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>it seems everywhere cav
> goes, the fan base wants his head on a paper plate. my hope is that
> sparano swings his balls around and knocks cav out of the way.
Every fan base wants every coach's head on a paper plate when
>it seems everywhere cav
> goes, the fan base wants his head on a paper plate. my hope is that
> sparano swings his balls around and knocks cav out of the way.
they have a mediocre/bad QB, as most teams do. For instance,
Schottenheimer here. When they have a good QB, no one can do
wrong (how did Tony Dungy last so long?). The fans always
call for the backup QB when the starter can't do the job,
even if the backup is worse.
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