Classic Belichick Quotes on the Draft
Julio
turn to pick we’ll turn them in. I’ve done them in one day.
I’ve done them in two days. I’ve done them in three days.
Whatever it is it is...We picked ahead of some teams. We
picked behind some teams. We’ll see how all that comes together."
J.
Tutor
He is such a joy to read and listen to <sarcasm mode>. Really, why do
sports writers even bother him? When they have loquaciuos guys like
Herm Edwards, Rex Ryan and so many others that can give them what they
are looking for. They should just leave BB to his cave.
Remy McSwain
news:375f708e-8f61-4263...@l6g2000vbo.googlegroups.com,
I'm not sure why this seems to be such a problem for many fans,
especially fans of other teams. I agree that Herm gave the fans
what they wanted in terms of animation, but if I were a Jets fan,
his loquaciousness would've been most embarrassing to me.
I absolutely agree that I would much prefer more informative
reactions from BB. However, his MO seems to work well for him, and
the team. Hermie is behind a desk, and "so many others' are also
long since gone. And RR has only been there for a year.
I'm not suggesting that the only way to last is to be much less
forth-coming. Walsh was very informative, and we know what his
track record was. I'm simply saying that every coach has to do what
works for them, and if BBs style works for him, and it means having
3 SB wins, and 4 AFC titles, and being a perennial contending team,
then I'll take that over the track record of other teams any day, no
matter how loquacious their many coaches have been.
Tutor
> Innews:375f708e-8f61-4263...@l6g2000vbo.googlegroups.com,
>
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Don't misunderstand me. I respect Belichick and have no problems with
his style of dealing with the media. It's just not entertaining,
that's all. I would think, given a choice, a sports writer would
choose to leave the guy alone and pursue something that is going to be
more interesting, fun and perhaps controversial... just a bit.
Approaching BB, you will get none of that. And that's fine. And yes,
as amusing as Herm was, he didn't exactly come off like the sharpest
tool in the shed.
Remy McSwain
news:470ece00-7e87-4e3d...@u21g2000vbr.googlegroups.com,
I misunderstaood your meaning with the comment "They should just
leave BB to his cave."
> It's just
> not entertaining, that's all. I would think, given a choice, a
> sports writer would choose to leave the guy alone and pursue
> something that is going to be more interesting, fun and perhaps
> controversial... just a bit. Approaching BB, you will get none
> of that. And that's fine. And yes, as amusing as Herm was, he
> didn't exactly come off like the sharpest tool in the shed.
I think most writers have to ask as a matter of journalist
responsibility (such as it is in sports). I think they know that
they won't get very much, but once in a while, he does surprise
them. And besides, they couldn't very well bitch about his
stonewalling if they never put him in a position to stonewall. But I
do agree with you that, as a fan, it CAN be rather frustrating at
times.
NK
wrote:
>Don't misunderstand me. I respect Belichick and have no problems with
>his style of dealing with the media. It's just not entertaining,
>that's all.
I dunno, I find it entertaining to watch him "answer" questions
while conveying no information at all. I thought "We picked ahead of
some teams. We picked behind some teams." was pretty funny.
--
NK
Glenn Greenstein
It's a process
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:375f708e-8f61-4263...@l6g2000vbo.googlegroups.com,
>
>
>
Remy, what BB said is an insult to everyone intelligence. You picked
before some teams and after others, you also made picks when it was
your turn and did it in 1, 2 and now 3 days. Wow, someone call the
press room and hold the back page.
Tutor
POTW
Now there's a sportswriter's worst nightmare.... choosing between
interviewing Belichick and Mangini. Make sure all the chambers are
loaded and just pull the trigger.
Remy McSwain
news:4fb53041-ff46-4f3f...@k33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com,
Glenn, anyone with any intelligence, who is also a real fan of the
game, and who also might have a sense of humor instead of just
looking for reasons to personally dislike an opposing coach, would
be amused about the game within the game that BB plays with the
press. And here, I thought NY fans were thick skinned instead of
thin skinned whinners about how opposing coaches are seeking them
out to personally insult them. (Just kidding Glenn. Life's too
short to take any of this personally).
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:4fb53041-ff46-4f3f...@k33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com,
The act is getting old Remy
Remy McSwain
news:23df228d-7383-4690...@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
That's quite a different matter, Glenn, and I'm not sure has any
real relevance. Did you really expect him to change his spots just
for the sake of it over these years? If Rex has just as much
success and logevity with the Jets as BB has had with the Pats, do
you really expect Rex to change his schtick as well, just to keep
things fresh for the fans? C'mon, Glenn. Lighten up.
Ian
Which way do you propose they point the gun?
--
Ian
rochrist
Yeah, agree. I consider some of his press conferences to be high art.
rochrist
Lighten up, Francis. We can't all be Tubby Rex.
Nunya Bidnits
"Tutor" <dcat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Herm Edwards is coaching again? Where should I send the sympathy card?
MartyB in KC
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:23df228d-7383-4690...@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
Honestly this is how I feel.
The reason you are a fan and why you even watch games is to be
entertained. the draft and all the little things written and said to
fans by the media and the CS is also done pure and simply for
entertainment value so it is fair to say that BB is in the
entertainment business as much as he is in the pro-football business.
I want to be entertained. This is basically also the reason I don't
care that Cromartie has 7 kids with 6 wives in 5 states. If it does
not interfere with what he does on Sundays 16 or more weeks a year, he
can have another 20 kids with 10 more wives in 2 countries, it really
doesn't matter to me what he does until it effects me personally and
what would effect me is if he doesn't entertain me on Sundays.
BB was entertaining at one time but now I don't see it. Maybe it is
from suffering with Mangini and having a loose cannon like Rex in the
fold, who knows but it is how I feel.
Remy McSwain
news:1b274216-4270-44b4...@u31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
Glenn, I think your train of thought that lead you to believe that
it's somehow BB's job to 'entertain' you with his press conferences
is terribly flawed. Certainly, the NFL is in the entertainment
business. But does that mean that the commissioner should've told
jokes or sung a tune with every announcement? After all, that's the
natural extension of your logic.
The primary point of the NFL is the entertainment value of the
games. The fact that it's so entertaining and intriguing that it
stirs conversation, speculation, and curiosity that so many more
aspects of the enterprise can also be entertaining is the bonus
plan. The fact that the NFL can make a whole lot of money on these
ancillary benefits is also a bonus for everyone. But to conclude
that the owners, coaches, players, refs, and others owe it to you to
provide you with additional entertainment in addition to what they
do to put a great product on the field is quite a stretch, at best.
That's like saying that a director 'owes' it to you to do any more
than direct great films. Certainly, it's great when they provide
more. But to be a valid reason for complaint when they don't giver
it to you? Not so much, me thinks.
However, you're entitled to your expectations, and entitled to
complain when they're not met. IMO, I just don't think your reasons
have very much merit, is all.
Boy...@bos001428.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me
> The reason you are a fan and why you even watch games is to be
> entertained. the draft and all the little things written and said to
> fans by the media and the CS is also done pure and simply for
> entertainment value so it is fair to say that BB is in the
> entertainment business as much as he is in the pro-football business.
> I want to be entertained.
How is this true? Its a coach's job to entertain us with his words? Is
it the player's job to do the same when they are being interviewed as
well?
The thing I want is a very serious football player that is ready to do
whatever it takes to win on Sunday. And then, with that, I'm
entertained. I'm entertained because of the rawness of the
competition, not because Chad ocho cinco does something funny after
catching a ball.
--
Galen Boyer
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Marc
"Nunya Bidnits" <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
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Personally, I think BB has Asperger's. Think about it. He has an obvious
discomfort in being around the media; his deadpan delivery when speaking; a
general lack of emotional expression; and his complete and total obsession
and perseverence with knowing everything there is to know about one thing.
That being said, I get a kick out of listening to BB talk to the media.
He's a master at stating the obvious.
You can almost hear him infer "Dumbass!" at the end of every sentence. Who
needs animation?
Marc
Boy...@bos001428.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me
How about his unbelievably disgusting long groweling snorts?
MZ
I don't think he has a discomfort around the media. I've seen him give
a pleasant interview many times. And sometimes when he's in the middle
of being cold at a press conference, someone will ask him something
about the history of the game and he goes on for 10 minutes with
excitement. I think he has a disdain for cliche questions more than
anything else.
Julio
NK wrote:
> I dunno, I find it entertaining to watch him "answer" questions
> while conveying no information at all. I thought "We picked ahead of
> some teams. We picked behind some teams." was pretty funny.
Exactly, that's why I posted it! Didn't know I was going to set
off a long thread. Some people are pretty humorless whenever the
Pats are mentioned though. (Glenn....)
J.
Julio
> while conveying no information at all. I thought "We picked ahead of
> some teams. We picked behind some teams." was pretty funny.
Exactly, that's why I posted it! Didn't know I was going to set
Remy McSwain
It might be that, but I've always thought that he sees a whole lot
of reasons why the more he divulges, the more harm can come on many
levels. The more meat the media has to play with, the more they'll
play.
When BB was first hired here, he was called everything in the book,
including being duplicitous pond scum, and he hadn't even signed his
contract yet. He tried to explain why he was leaving NY, but
because he couldn't get into ALL of the reasons, the media took off
and ran with it to the point of being well over the top in their
personal attacks. I think he's also seen that kind of thing happen
to players and collegues as well. So whether it's justified or not,
I think he's come to the conclusion that there's nothing to be
gained by trying to explain the benching and suspension of Terry
Glen, or why a certain player was traded or released, or how he
feels about a player holdout.
In this case, what's to be gained by saying that he hates the
current draft format? You don't think the media would have a field
day with that one? You don't think they'd run to the commissioner
or Kraft and pursue it? And what if he likes it, and says so? So
he gets into a routine where he's forthcoming only when he likes
something? By deductive reasoning, it means that the media could
justifiably deduce that he hates something when he doesn't comment.
I'm not suggesting that he sits there and thinks through all of the
possible ramifications of each answer he might give to each
question. Instead, I'm suggesting that he's lived through how
seemingly innocuous answers have come back to bite him, and others,
in the ass in the past, and so he's adopted a general policy of
simply giving very minimal answers. Some day, he'll write a book
about his coaching days, and he'll explain his philosophy on this,
and I think it'll be extraordinary reading.
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:1b274216-4270-44b4...@u31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
No, that is an exaggeration of what I said. It is possible to be
entertained in other ways than what you just wrote.
>
> The primary point of the NFL is the entertainment value of the
> games. The fact that it's so entertaining and intriguing that it
> stirs conversation, speculation, and curiosity that so many more
> aspects of the enterprise can also be entertaining is the bonus
> plan. The fact that the NFL can make a whole lot of money on these
> ancillary benefits is also a bonus for everyone. But to conclude
> that the owners, coaches, players, refs, and others owe it to you to
> provide you with additional entertainment in addition to what they
> do to put a great product on the field is quite a stretch, at best.
>
> That's like saying that a director 'owes' it to you to do any more
> than direct great films. Certainly, it's great when they provide
> more. But to be a valid reason for complaint when they don't giver
> it to you? Not so much, me thinks.
That has to be one of the worst analogies I ever heard. If a director
does not make entertaining films, he is going to be unemployed really
quickly. I would also say it is not an obligation of the director to
be entertaining to the cast while he is doing his job just as I don't
need to entertain anyone at my work place. The goal there is to get
results. BB being a public figure who speaks to the general public
comes of as a condescending asshole who seems more annoyed that he has
to sit up there an answer questions than he does caring about what
people think and if they even care what he says. If you really think
that is what the public wants to hear then I guess I am in the
minority.
>
> However, you're entitled to your expectations, and entitled to
> complain when they're not met. IMO, I just don't think your reasons
> have very much merit, is all.
Just as I think your argument to that is pretty poor.
Glenn Greenstein
so-tickle-me wrote:
And what you just described is entertaining and I personally am
entertained by that, not when a HC thinks he is so far above everyone
in an ivory tower that he answers a question in a way that makes you
think he thinks everyone in the audience and in the room are so far
beneath him that he can throw you any kind of crumbs and you will say
"Thank you sir, may I have another".
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:KbOdne-BSJ-Q5krW...@giganews.com,
>
>
>
> MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> > Marc wrote:
> >> in messagenews:hr7e4v$k7f$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Actually he got this from Bill Parcells but there is one difference.
Bill Parcells was entertaining in his pressers
Remy McSwain
news:33a9ad6a-3768-4717...@e40g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
Pick any way that you wish. The bottom line is that a coach has no
more responsibility to be entertaining when he's at the podium that
does the commissioner when he's at his just because the overall
point of the league is entertaining. There are a whole lot of
aspects of the NFL which, when isolated from the whole, are not the
least bit entertaining. Nor should they be.
>> The primary point of the NFL is the entertainment value of the
>> games. The fact that it's so entertaining and intriguing that it
>> stirs conversation, speculation, and curiosity that so many more
>> aspects of the enterprise can also be entertaining is the bonus
>> plan. The fact that the NFL can make a whole lot of money on
>> these ancillary benefits is also a bonus for everyone. But to
>> conclude that the owners, coaches, players, refs, and others
>> owe it to you to provide you with additional entertainment in
>> addition to what they do to put a great product on the field is
>> quite a stretch, at best.
>>
>> That's like saying that a director 'owes' it to you to do any
>> more than direct great films. Certainly, it's great when they
>> provide more. But to be a valid reason for complaint when they
>> don't giver it to you? Not so much, me thinks.
> That has to be one of the worst analogies I ever heard. If a
> director
> does not make entertaining films, he is going to be unemployed
> really
> quickly.
Glenn, that's not the analogy that I made. My point is that just
because he's in the entertainment business, doesn't mean that HE has
got to be entertaining. It only means that he has a job, the goal
of which is to produce something that is entertaining. It's the
coaches job to produce abd or prepare a team to compete to the
maximum of its ability to win a game, and a championship. The logic
that because his job is in the entertainment business, HE has to be
entertaining is simply flawed.
> I would also say it is not an obligation of the
> director to
> be entertaining to the cast while he is doing his job just as I
> don't
> need to entertain anyone at my work place. The goal there is to
> get
> results. BB being a public figure who speaks to the general
> public
> comes of as a condescending asshole who seems more annoyed that
> he has
> to sit up there an answer questions than he does caring about
> what
> people think and if they even care what he says. If you really
> think
> that is what the public wants to hear then I guess I am in the
> minority.
Well, he may very well come off that way to you. But that's
different than saying that it his job to entertain you at those
press conferences.
But as to whether or not he's condescending, I don't perceive that
at all. Maybe it's because I don't have any demands that he provide
me, a fan, with any more information that he wants to provide.
Maybe it's because I understand that, in some cases, he might very
well have justifiable reasons for wanting the public, and his
competition, from knowing more than he wants them to know. Or maybe
it's because I'm just not thinned skinned. I really don't know.
But after observing the guy for many years, including many
appearances on WEEI wherein he's very informative, I don't see the
condescension at all. Maybe you're thinking of the other BB (Brian
Billick) :-)
>> However, you're entitled to your expectations, and entitled to
>> complain when they're not met. IMO, I just don't think your
>> reasons have very much merit, is all.
>
> Just as I think your argument to that is pretty poor.
Fair enough.
Remy McSwain
news:6919f352-1657-45d4...@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
WOW! I have a feeling that you're very easily offended. The fact
that he doesn't want the public to know more than he does may well
be for many different reasons. Why would you assume that it's
because he thinks he's above everyone else?
Remy McSwain
news:8d4dd393-8fc0-4ee9...@r34g2000yqj.googlegroups.com,
Yes, BP WAS much more entertaining at his pressers, but if arrogance
is your issue, I think BP was a whole lot more arrogant than BB.
The whole 'groceries' speech was a sham, and he regularly treated
reporters like they were dirt just for asking the kinds of questions
that all of us had on our minds.
We can argue that all we like except that in the end, I want a coach
who can deliver SB championships to the team I follow, and BB gave
us 3 of those. And if part of the reason is that he's got greater
peace of mind knowing that he's safe behind the curtain, then he can
hide as much as he wants behind there for all that I care. Lat I
checked, his job was HC, not orator.
PatsSox
"Remy McSwain" <Paradi...@gmail.com> wrote in message ...
People should read, "The Education of a Coach" by David Halberstam.
Great book that explains a lot about why Belichick has little use for the
inane questions asked by the press.
Anyone in New England who has seen Belichick on Patriots All Access
knows the man has a sense of humor. Anyone who doubts the man can be
entertaining.... when it is appropriate... has never seen this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzbMP7pLRkA
Saying nothing to the press has worked thus far.... I love that he
answers questions without answering them... and that he has taught his
players that the less they say the better off they'll all be.
Remy McSwain
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:6919f352-1657-45d4...@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
Actually Remy, I think you have been immersed in BB's shit so long
that you can't tell when he is being rude or not. There are ways of
telling you something without belittling someone. Stating the obvious
when you answer a question is rude unless you think you are speaking
to a moron. When BB was asked how the draft went, what would have been
wrong with answering like this.
"It was fine. As you all know the draft takes a few years to realize
how you did but we made what we felt were the best choices for the
team".
See what I mean. That is also stating the obvious and give zero
insight to what the Pats were thinking going in and how they did but
without stating the obvious.
Glenn Greenstein
> "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote in message ...
I haven't read the book nor will I but I do have this comment.
I have seen that clip before and I will say it was a great thing BB
did to be part of such a good cause and event but the only reason that
would seem like he has a sense of humor is because otherwise he is
such a troll. I mean other than actually going up on stage and singing
the words dead or alive during the chorus, what made him so
entertaining? He clapped his hands after Weiss started, I'll give him
that.
MZ
Yeah, that's more like a "how to look like a tard in public" moment.
I think he gives good interviews when he wants to though. His pre-draft
interview was really good. I remember his Letterman interview after the
first super bowl too. I really think his issue is that he thinks the
questions being asked are stupid and cliche and he responds in kind.
Remy McSwain
news:40cd0c03-f228-4c45...@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
OK, Glenn. I frankly don't see how your wording would've been any
less insulting by your own standards. Either stating the obvious is
rude because it assumes that the audience is too ignorant to see
that it's a non-answer in disguise, or it's not. Therefore, I could
make just as good a case that your wording is just as insulting.
Anyway, I'm done beating this one around. As Galen said, when you
take the whole body of the guys work on EEI, and on All Patriots
Access, and in other forums, he comes off as anything but
condescending. He's entertaining, humorous, and very informative.
But if passionate fans of arch-rival teams who envy the three SB
rings he's earned partially at their team's expense, while it's been
forever since their own team has even gotten to the game where they
can win one for themselves, want to see him as condescending, then I
guess they can find a way to do it. :-)
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:40cd0c03-f228-4c45...@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
Oh, I just love it when you Pat fans play the jealousy card. I should
be telling you that is getting old as well. How long has it been since
your team won a playoff game let alone a SB?
Remy McSwain
You must be a hoot at parties. Lighten up, Glenn. This is all about
"entertainment", remember? It's not about health care, education, or war.
Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh!
Glenn Greenstein
Yeah, you accuse me of having ring envy and I should lighten up.
Remy McSwain
news:3a544f75-cece-4f82...@y36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com,
Glenn, I didn't 'accuse' you of anything. I suggested some aspect
of human nature in a very lighthearted way. Maybe you should stop
thinking that everyone is out to insult or attack you in some way.
BB wasn't insulting you by refusing to answer questions that he
either thinks are silly, or because he doesn't want to divulge
certain information. I wasn't "accusing" you of anything at all
except to boast a little bit about the Pats 3 rings, and that maybe
your view of BB would be skewed a little by the fact that the 3 X SB
winning Pats are an arch-rival of the Jets. It's just human nature,
and even then, I said it all in the spirit of the fun that people
have with "entertaining" sports.
If that offended you, then I'm not really sorry. Instead, maybe you
should just realize that the whole "my team is better than your
team" is just a good natured part of the "entertainment" value of
sports. After all, I didn't say nothin about yo Momma, did I?
REally, Glenn. Accused? Really?
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:3a544f75-cece-4f82...@y36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com,
Remey, I'm going to give you a pass here. You are new to this place
and probably don't know the majority of Pat fans that come here are
assholes who make boasts of how great the Pats are and how the Jets
are just a bunch of slugs. We even have a nice contingent that bash NY
itself, one in particular that says he doesn't even consider NY part
of the USA.
If you are going to be a good contributing poster, then I welcome you
and hope to have a lot of good give and take with you as I do with
MZ.
Sorry if I misjudged you, it's just I'm a rude fucking NYer ;-)
Oh, and I still think BB is a conceded ass :-p
Remy McSwain
That's a rather condecending comment from someone who claims to abhore it,
and so thanks, Glenn, but I'll pass on the pass.
Glenn Greenstein
suit yourself
mr. gone
you come across as far more boorish and loutish in this thread than bb
ever has. congratulations.
JetsLife
> Innews:375f708e-8f61-4263...@l6g2000vbo.googlegroups.com,
>
>
>
>
>
> Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 26, 12:21 pm, Julio <hoolio3sanc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "It was fine. When they schedule them we are there. When it’s
> >> our turn to pick we’ll turn them in. I’ve done them in one day.
> >> I’ve done them in two days. I’ve done them in three days.
> >> Whatever it is it is...We picked ahead of some teams. We
> >> picked behind some teams. We’ll see how all that comes
> >> together."
>
> >> J.
>
> > He is such a joy to read and listen to <sarcasm mode>. Really,
> > why do sports writers even bother him? When they have
> > loquaciuos guys like Herm Edwards, Rex Ryan and so many others
> > that can give them what they are looking for. They should just
> > leave BB to his cave.
>
> especially fans of other teams. I agree that Herm gave the fans
> what they wanted in terms of animation, but if I were a Jets fan,
> his loquaciousness would've been most embarrassing to me.
>
> I absolutely agree that I would much prefer more informative
> reactions from BB. However, his MO seems to work well for him, and
> the team. Hermie is behind a desk, and "so many others' are also
> long since gone. And RR has only been there for a year.
>
> I'm not suggesting that the only way to last is to be much less
> forth-coming. Walsh was very informative, and we know what his
> track record was. I'm simply saying that every coach has to do what
> works for them, and if BBs style works for him, and it means having
> 3 SB wins, and 4 AFC titles, and being a perennial contending team,
> then I'll take that over the track record of other teams any day, no
> matter how loquacious their many coaches have been.
You forgot the asterisks: 3 SB wins* and 4 AFC titles*
*Potentially - likely? - won while cheating
BB has been, and always will be, a shady character who was caught
cheating. His cheating isn't his only past shady behavior.
I'd rather have a non-cheating RR, Herm or any coach any day,
championships or not. I want my team to compete - win or lose - with
dignity. The Jets' Lombardi trophy is spotless -- the Pats are
forever tarnished.
Glenn Greenstein
Relax life, he considers himself a non asshole Pat fan.
YMMV
Glenn Greenstein
And some here was saying I'm sensitive
Remy McSwain
news:1f4f7406-fe8d-414a...@24g2000yqy.googlegroups.com,
I'm not sure what your point here is Glenn, but it seems to me that
if you can't take it, you really should not be trying to bait
anyone. Given how extraordinarily seriously you take all of this
"entertainment" stuff, and how even more quick you are to label
people as "condescending", and "insulting" and "accusatory", it
doesn't come as any surprise whatsoever that you'd label yet others
as "assholes" for simply having an opinion which differs from your
own.
But tell me, Glenn, if my obtuse, tongue in cheek reference to three
SB wins by the Pats IN THE PATS NG defines me as an asshole, then
what does that accusation, and this last post by you along those
same lines, make you? At least mine wasn't any sort of personal
attack whatsoever, and had only to do with the "entertainment"
aspects of football. Yours', OTOH, went well beyond that.
You do know, right Glenn, that the above was a rhetorical question?
mr. gone
you can be hypersensitive toward your own feelings and loutish toward
everyone else's - as you clearly exemplify.
Glenn Greenstein
If I come off that way I apologize as it is not intentional but don't
expect me to start using emoticons.
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:1f4f7406-fe8d-414a...@24g2000yqy.googlegroups.com,
not noticed and as far as I can tell this isn't a x-post. Let me fill
you in on something that appears to be a well kept secret to you, we
talk trash here about other teams not called the Jets. This isn't to
say we can't have a constructive argument, I see them here all the
time with other fans from other teams but all I did was say BB act of
being a troll is getting old and you get your tits twisted into a knot
defending him so don't tell me I can't take it. You also follow that
up with this ring envy post and then when I go after you for it "Oh
come on Glenn, it was all in fun. Don't be so serious" IOW's nice spin
job.
I even extended an olive branch to you and you snapped it off and
threw it in my face so I'm really sorry if you think I'm baiting you
but what I wrote is exactly how you represented yourself to me. You
really have nobody to blame for this but the way you have acted. So
far I have not seen a single constructive thing written here that is
in the least related to the Jets so why not go back to the cesspool
you call a NG and read Drews and Mr. Dudes rants. I really have a
feeling nobody here is going to miss you.
Enjoy.
Remy McSwain
news:06db9ae0-5b6c-4f72...@a34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com,
Glenn, all this stuff about olive branches, and assholes, and
trolling, and selective snipping, and all the rest is taking all of
this just a little too seriously. I really do think that for you to
perceive one, good natured, rather obtuse reference to the Pats SBs,
which is something that a long-suffering fan of a particular team
SHOULD be able to boast ever so slightly about, as so grossly out of
bounds as to start with all of those insults simply says on hell of
a lot more about you, on many different levels, then it could ever
say about me.
Remy McSwain
news:01874d07-1ece-45bd...@j33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com,
Nonsense. To claim that the legacy of all of those championship
teams is tarnished because BB was silly enough to capture some games
on film from a unique angle is about as silly as it gets. And to
further think that, by contrast, the Jets have always been lily
white is just as silly. But if you need the rationalization that
you'd rather the Jets never win a SB unless the coach, and the
entire organization, conduct themselves like mother Theresa, then
you should be quite happy, because you got what you want, and most
Pats fans have gotten what they want. But BP was slimely in his own
right, and I'm guessing you weren't complaining much back when he
was the Jets coach.
mr. gone
your constant whiny griping about belichick for not being
"entertaining" (which he is *not* obligated to do, however you may
feel) combined with your showing a far more loutish attitude toward
those who disagree with you needs no emoticons. your feelings are very
clear.
JetsLife
> Innews:01874d07-1ece-45bd...@j33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com,
How is it nonsense to question all achievements during BB's reign?
How we do know when he was or wasn't video-cheating? Once someone
has demonstrated a behavior, logic dictates said person may have
engaged in the same/other cheating behaviors before and since. Who
knows?
Thus, there is an *, a tarnish, a question mark to all of BB's
achievements.
It's instructive how you minimize BB's cheating.
Additionally, your information regarding his video-cheating is
inaccurate. One thing BB had his minion do was secretly video-tape
opposing coaches' signals. Anyone who knows anything about football
would say that goes way beyond "silly." Including the commissioner
stripping a 1st rounder from the Pats, the widespread furor, etc. And
wasn't there a huge fine as well? I don't recall, not least as I have
no use for cheaters. Honest competitors - be it my team or a foe -
are the kind I respect and remember. Because they competed and
achieved with honor.
I never said the Jets or any team are lily white. The thing is, the
Jets aren't documented cheaters. BB and the Pats are.
Of course I want the Jets to win the Super Bowl. But if they or any
team does so at the cost of their competitive honor, it ain't worth a
damn.
galen...@yahoo.com
> How is it nonsense to question all achievements during BB's reign?
How is it nonsense to question all of football? Everybody cheats. Some
get caught and some don't.
> How we do know when he was or wasn't video-cheating?
How do we know other teams weren't?
> Once someone has demonstrated a behavior, logic dictates said person
> may have engaged in the same/other cheating behaviors before and
> since. Who knows?
Who know if the Jets aren't cheaters?
> Thus, there is an *, a tarnish, a question mark to all of BB's
> achievements.
Who cares? Are the Steelers 4 in the 70s tarnished because of steroids?
> It's instructive how you minimize BB's cheating.
What exactly did he do that was so egregious? Take video? Wow, other
teams don't do that? Try to steal signs? Wow other teams don't do
that. All he did was be arrogant and get caught, plain and simple.
> Additionally, your information regarding his video-cheating is
> inaccurate. One thing BB had his minion do was secretly video-tape
> opposing coaches' signals.
LOL! Oh my God! One coach steals another coaches signals? Oh my God.
That is so awful!!!
> Anyone who knows anything about football would say that goes way
> beyond "silly."
It wasn't silly. It was cheating to the point that he got caught. All
other cheat all day long. They just didn't get caught. But, you can't
know how much they cheat anymore than you can question how much more BB
cheats.
> Including the commissioner stripping a 1st rounder from the Pats, the
> widespread furor, etc. And wasn't there a huge fine as well? I don't
> recall, not least as I have no use for cheaters. Honest competitors -
> be it my team or a foe - are the kind I respect and remember. Because
> they competed and achieved with honor.
Honest competitors? Where the hell does any of those exist in the NFL?
You are living in what is termed, La La land.
> I never said the Jets or any team are lily white. The thing is, the
> Jets aren't documented cheaters. BB and the Pats are.
So. That doesn't mean the Jets don't cheat. So, who cares.
> Of course I want the Jets to win the Super Bowl. But if they or any
> team does so at the cost of their competitive honor, it ain't worth a
> damn.
Yeah, right. What a pile of garbage. I guess you were proud that they
backed into the playoffs last year? Would you throw your same, "I am so
honorable" horseshit at that one? Would you want your Jets to actually
make the playoffs legitimately, or, is that different? Are you gonna
stand up and say, "I want my Jets to win legitimate in all phases", or,
just when another team has done better than your team, are you gonna
throw it around?
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JetsLife
LMAO.
You just can't accept the fact you're rings are tarnished!
LMAO!
JetsLife
You're lengthy reply only shows how much you know I'm right! It bugs
you and all Pats fans that everything you've achieved is under a
cloud!
LMAO!
galen...@yahoo.com
Doesn't bug me. Its a newsgroup. What's cool is that fans such as you
spend hours and hours and hours in newsgroups trying to find someway to
legitimize your sorry team's losing history.
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Remy McSwain
news:5765c059-b4a2-4191...@d39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
Because if the standard is that unless someone is lily white in
everything they do, then everything else they do is therefore
tarnished would mean that everything that everyone does is
tarnished. Just last season Tanny admitted to cheating wherein he
didn't properly disclose Farve's injury. Does that mean that
everything the Jets have accomplshied under his reign, and
everything he will ever accomplish, is therefore tarnbished? No.
The only reasonable thing to do is to take a look at the nature of
the offense, and the intent, and go from there.
In BB's case, he decided to push the interpretation of the rule.
And to do what? To film the game from an angle that wasn't allowed.
> Thus, there is an *, a tarnish, a question mark to all of BB's
> achievements.
>
> It's instructive how you minimize BB's cheating.
Leave it to you to start down the road of making this personal. I'm
not minimizing cheating. But just as with every other kind of
offense, there are degrees. If cheating is cheating is cheating,
then both BB and Tanny and just about every other coach and GM
should be fired, not the least of whom is Parcells.
> Additionally, your information regarding his video-cheating is
> inaccurate. One thing BB had his minion do was secretly
> video-tape opposing coaches' signals. Anyone who knows anything
> about football would say that goes way beyond "silly."
> Including the commissioner stripping a 1st rounder from the
> Pats, the widespread furor, etc. And wasn't there a huge fine
> as well? I don't recall, not least as I have no use for
> cheaters. Honest competitors - be it my team or a foe - are the
> kind I respect and remember. Because they competed and achieved
> with honor.
Yes, he paid his debt. If you're going to invoke what the
commissioner did, then you need to invoke what he didn't do, and he
never stripped the Pats of their rings, nor did he ever even imply
that the SB wins weren't legitimate. Punishments were handed out,
everyone took their medicine, and everyone, except, it seems,
certain fans of certain teams whoseem to be starved for success have
moved on.
> I never said the Jets or any team are lily white. The thing is,
> the Jets aren't documented cheaters. BB and the Pats are.
cheating is cheating, according to you, and so if they're not lily
white, that means they're tarnished. You can't have it both ways.
> Of course I want the Jets to win the Super Bowl. But if they or
> any team does so at the cost of their competitive honor, it
> ain't worth a damn
Then you must be a very happy fan.
Remy McSwain
news:7c83f1e3-0e7c-444d...@k41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
It seems that you can't accept the fact that there are no Jets
accomplishments to claim are tarnished.
Remy McSwain
news:52a49df7-a9ab-4fb9...@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
Actually, by that standard, your response shows how deeply you
resent the fact that the Jets haven't accomplished anything in the
lifetime of most of their fans.
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:7c83f1e3-0e7c-444d...@k41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
Gee Remy, was that in fun as well?
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:52a49df7-a9ab-4fb9...@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
The fun just keeps coming, doesn't it.
Remy McSwain
news:b65929c1-2974-4913...@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com,
It was said in the very same spirit as the comment to which it was
in response. He's pointing out what he thinks I can't accept about
the Pats, and so I then pointed out what I think he can't accept
about the Jets. No escalation, no personal attacks, no whining
about accusations or insults. So why wouldn't you pose the same
question then to JL?
Remy McSwain
news:083814cf-6606-4f47...@a21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com,
As opposed to whining about attacks, and insults, only to be
followed by derision? Yes, Glenn, I have little doubt that you
can't tell the difference, or that you can't see that my responses
to JL are along the same lines as his posts to me. I don't see
either of us complaining much, though, so why are you trying so hard
to agitate? Stick to sports, Glenn, if you think you can.
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:b65929c1-2974-4913...@o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com,
Right, you didn't insult or talk trash about his team. Why would that
escalate anything, especially to a guy who goes by the name of
JetsLife. Shouldn't bother him in the least I bet.
LMAO
What's even funnier is so many years later it still bothers Pat fans
whenever someone brings up the " * ".
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:083814cf-6606-4f47...@a21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com,
got caught. There is no disputing that. Now if you don't think that
taints anything that is your position but his is a different one and
you called it ridiculous. Why is it so ridiculous? Because you don't
agree? I would say there is a ton of gray area in the matter where
both sides can make very valid arguments but you only care to see it
your way. It just so happens btw I would side with you on this, I
doubt that there was any thing on the tapes that would affect an
entire season to the extent it enabled a team to win a SB but since no
one but BB and Goodell ever saw the tapes, nobody really knows so your
argument in your own words is as ridiculous as his and for you to draw
the conclusion you did and write that is totally trollish.
Remy McSwain
news:6b579549-5505-4ccf...@k29g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
<sigh> No Glenn, it shouldn't bother either one of us, not in any
personal sense. I take it that your point is that because of his
handle, it's OK by you that he "talk trash" about the Pats, but
because he takes the Jets so seriously, if I respond in the very
same vein, then I'm the one who'd being over the top? Now, how
silly is that?
To the extent that we're fans, it "bothers" us as fans of a
particular team. But most people can keep what "bothers" them in
perspective, and realize that there's a difference between
"bothering" someone personally, and "bothering" them within the
context of the good-natured fun of sports.
Frankly, Glenn, I really don't think that you're capable of seeing
the difference.
> What's even funnier is so many years later it still bothers Pat
> fans whenever someone brings up the " * ".
It might "bother" some Pats fans, but it only "bothers" me, and most
others I know, within the context of having fun with sports. But,
to paraphrase you, Glenn, it's even funnier that some Jets fans who
take these things MUCH too seriously are personally bothered by a
passing reference to the fact that the Pats have won 3 SBs in this
regime, while the Jets haven't won a thing since most of them we're
born. So right back atchya, Glenn. ROFLOL!
Remy McSwain
news:ece5ae8b-2b11-4e95...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com,
"Trollish", Glenn? Again, you seem to lack perspective. I called
his argument "nonsense" because I honestly don't think it makes
sense. I didn't imply that he was an asshole, or a troll, or
anything else. What's the difference between him saying that I
can't accept his position as though it's true beyond debate, and my
response that his position doesn't make sense. GAWD, Glenn, are you
really_that_thin skinned? There_is_no substantive difference
between the two.
I was having an exchange with a Jets fan about football, and you
jumped in to continue whatever it is you're out to prove about my
posts. So I apologize if I embarassed you by calling you out about
how I think that you take all of this much too seriously. So let it
go, Glenn. Life is just too short, don't you think?
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:6b579549-5505-4ccf...@k29g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
point really. I just don't get why you think I made this personal. You
have been twisting that fact ever since this exchange began. I never
called you anything directly, and saying you are a nonasshole pat fans
sarcastically or not doesn't mean I was trying to call you that, I was
just telling JL how you see yourself and then allow him to make his
own evaluation. You on the other hand are the one being hypersensitive
to my remarks.
>
> To the extent that we're fans, it "bothers" us as fans of a
> particular team. But most people can keep what "bothers" them in
> perspective, and realize that there's a difference between
> "bothering" someone personally, and "bothering" them within the
> context of the good-natured fun of sports.
>
> Frankly, Glenn, I really don't think that you're capable of seeing
> the difference.
>
> > What's even funnier is so many years later it still bothers Pat
> > fans whenever someone brings up the " * ".
>
> It might "bother" some Pats fans, but it only "bothers" me, and most
> others I know, within the context of having fun with sports. But,
> to paraphrase you, Glenn, it's even funnier that some Jets fans who
> take these things MUCH too seriously are personally bothered by a
> passing reference to the fact that the Pats have won 3 SBs in this
> regime, while the Jets haven't won a thing since most of them we're
> born. So right back atchya, Glenn. ROFLOL!
the Pats have so right back at ya.
ROFLMAO
Glenn Greenstein
> Innews:ece5ae8b-2b11-4e95...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com,
Oh forget this. You must have some serious reading comprehension issue
if this is your response to what I wrote.
JetsLife
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:11:20 -0700 (PDT), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Don't misunderstand me. I respect Belichick and have no problems with
> >his style of dealing with the media. It's just not entertaining,
> >that's all.
>
> I dunno, I find it entertaining to watch him "answer" questions
> while conveying no information at all. I thought "We picked ahead of
> some teams. We picked behind some teams." was pretty funny.
>
> --
> NK
I hear that. BB, in his own way, can be entertaining to watch dealing
with media.
JetsLife
Sure it bugs you. You wouldn't have responded at length if it
didn't.
As to this post, such foolishness coming from a Patriots fan. You
should know better. Before BB & Brady, the Pats weren't quite
lighting the world on fire. They made a couple SB appearances, but
there was a lot of sorry losing for, well, the entire the history of
the Pats.
And now because they potentially - likely? - cheated their way to
several SB championships* they have such a better legacy than the
Jets? LOL
Every Pats fan I've run into worth their salt knows there's a tarnish
to their championships. It's only the dishonorable Pats fan who can't
admit as much.
No, the histories of the Jets & Pats both contain much losing.
However, it is only the Jets who won their championship with
unquestionable competitive honor.
*Won while potentially - likely? - cheating.
Remy McSwain
news:ec842c48-39ef-45a2...@b18g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
JetsLife <Jets...@aol.com> wrote:
> As to this post, such foolishness coming from a Patriots fan.
> You should know better. Before BB & Brady, the Pats weren't
> quite lighting the world on fire. They made a couple SB
> appearances, but there was a lot of sorry losing for, well, the
> entire the history of the Pats.
Actually, it was one of the most pathetic franchises in the league.
Except for the 'Fairbanks years', I was almost ashamed to admit that
I was a Pats fan.
> And now because they potentially - likely? - cheated their way to
> several SB championships* they have such a better legacy than the
> Jets? LOL
Notwithstanding the innuendo that they only got there by cheating,
yes, they have a much better legacy than the Jets. Sure, if you
were to take a look at the overall W-L record, I wouldn't be
surprised if the Jets came out ahead. But 5 AFC titles, three SB
wins, and I forgot how many division championships? Yes, I'll
accept that legacy over the Jets' any day, and time.
> Every Pats fan I've run into worth their salt knows there's a
> tarnish to their championships. It's only the dishonorable Pats
> fan who can't admit as much.
Well, given that you think any fan who doesn't agree with you on
this isn't worth his salt, then that's kind of a self-fulfilling
prophesy, don't you think?
> No, the histories of the Jets & Pats both contain much losing.
> However, it is only the Jets who won their championship with
> unquestionable competitive honor.
Well, I'm not so sure of even that, but given that the Jets would
have to actually win something to call it an honorable win, I guess
I'd agree that they never won dishonorably.
> *Won while potentially - likely? - cheating.
:-)
galen...@yahoo.com
Its a newsgroup bub. Responses happen in those things.
> As to this post, such foolishness coming from a Patriots fan. You
> should know better. Before BB & Brady, the Pats weren't quite
> lighting the world on fire. They made a couple SB appearances, but
> there was a lot of sorry losing for, well, the entire the history of
> the Pats.
And they also have a history of a dynasty.
Deal with it.
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JetsLife
Jesus buddy I never actually ready your responses. When and if I do
-- wow buddy, I think it's gonna make your foolishness look that much
more foolish. Wow I just caught a glance and wow, not good for you.
Anyway: I did want to state for the record to Patriot nation -- and
you being a part of that: I respect your franchise, your achievements,
hell even maybe winning clean. But a real fan, on either side, can
admit that maybe, just maybe?, your achievements are in question?
Ask any real Jet or Patriot and they respect each other --- they may
hate each other -- but they respect each other.
But no one, except only BB and his minions, can answer the question:
when and how much did ya'll cheat?
Remy, I'm busy but I'm coming for you next.
I respect your franchise, I honor it, but I won't accept the fact that
there is not a legitimate question mark about its competitive honor.
No true competitor ever would.
Remy McSwain
news:a80afec8-b621-426e...@q33g2000vbt.googlegroups.com,
JetsLife <Jets...@aol.com> wrote:
> Jesus buddy I never actually ready your responses. When and if
> I do -- wow buddy, I think it's gonna make your foolishness look
> that much more foolish. Wow I just caught a glance and wow, not
> good for you.
WOW!
> Anyway: I did want to state for the record to Patriot nation --
> and you being a part of that: I respect your franchise, your
> achievements, hell even maybe winning clean. But a real fan, on
> either side, can admit that maybe, just maybe?, your
> achievements are in question?
To the extant that any win can ever be in question, well, of course.
Hell, Tanny proved that he's a cheater by lying about Farve's
injuries. So, I don't see how a proven liar can be trusted on any
level. However, whereas the Jets haven't won anything under his
reign (or anyone else's reign in the modern era), then I'm at a
disadvantage to then say that all of his accomplishments have been
tarnished. He doesn't have any.
> Ask any real Jet or Patriot and they respect each other --- they
> may hate each other -- but they respect each other.
>
> But no one, except only BB and his minions, can answer the
> question: when and how much did ya'll cheat?
No one can answer the same question about any franchise.
> Remy, I'm busy but I'm coming for you next.
LOL! OK.
> I respect your franchise, I honor it, but I won't accept the
> fact that there is not a legitimate question mark about its
> competitive honor.
That's one of your problems.
galen...@yahoo.com
> Jesus buddy I never actually ready your responses. When and if I do
> -- wow buddy, I think it's gonna make your foolishness look that much
> more foolish. Wow I just caught a glance and wow, not good for you.
Translation, you have no actual way to back up your "holier than though"
horseshit.
> Anyway: I did want to state for the record
Ooooh, wow, lets all get our calendars out.
> to Patriot nation -- and you being a part of that: I respect your
> franchise, your achievements, hell even maybe winning clean.
We all feel better now...
> But a real fan, on either side, can admit that maybe, just maybe?,
> your achievements are in question?
Love your use of "real". Do you have a definition of that or is it
somehow somewhere, defined in your own little world.
> Ask any real Jet or Patriot and they respect each other --- they may
> hate each other -- but they respect each other.
>
> But no one, except only BB and his minions, can answer the question:
> when and how much did ya'll cheat?
When and how did the Jet's cheat? We can't answer that either.
> Remy, I'm busy but I'm coming for you next.
>
> I respect your franchise, I honor it, but I won't accept the fact that
> there is not a legitimate question mark about its competitive honor.
> No true competitor ever would.
Deal with it.
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JetsLife
A history of a dynasty? LMAO
It's only simpleton Pats fans like yourself that claim a dynasty -
deal with it.
LOL
JetsLife
Tried to play nice with you, but clearly you're one of those typical
bitter classless dishonorable Pats fan, too dishonest and classless to
engage in honest debate.
What's your address? I'll send you some flowers to assuage your
bitterness about never winning a Super Bowl without * .
Just like your cheating classless coach, you also bring shame upon
your franchise.
LMAO
JetsLife
> Innews:a80afec8-b621-426e...@q33g2000vbt.googlegroups.com,
To the extent that the Pats are a documented cheating franchise, every
win you've ever had under BB is under question.
I know that bothers you but like any cheater, the Pats brought it upon
themselves.
When you win your first Super Bowl post-cheating BB era, then you can
talk. Until then you're nothing more than a bunch of cheaters.
Incompetent cheaters at that! LOL!
galen...@yahoo.com
> To the extent that the Pats are a documented cheating franchise, every
> win you've ever had under BB is under question.
>
> I know that bothers you but like any cheater, the Pats brought it upon
> themselves.
>
> When you win your first Super Bowl post-cheating BB era, then you can
> talk. Until then you're nothing more than a bunch of cheaters.
> Incompetent cheaters at that! LOL!
As I thought. Your holier than thou was a pile of horseshit. You don't
respect that Pats, although you tried to couch your horseshit with it.
You are jealous of success that the PATS have because your team has
none.
Why don't you cheer for your team to back into this coming year's
playoffs as well, cause that's about all you have to cheer for.
3 superbowls in 4 years is a dynasty. Deal with it.
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Remy McSwain
news:3abbfad0-69e8-4d4a...@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com,
By that standard, every win of virtually every franchise is in
question.
> I know that bothers you but like any cheater, the Pats brought
> it upon themselves.
Well, to the extent that you can possibly know what bothers me, I
can know that it bothers you that the Pats have legitimately won 3
SBs, 5 AFC championships, and too many AFCE championships to keep
track. And all the while, the Jets have won a whole lot of
off-season championships, but not much else. If it didn't bother
you to the core, you wouldn't waste all of your time on such a
rediculous proposition.
> When you win your first Super Bowl post-cheating BB era, then
> you can talk. Until then you're nothing more than a bunch of
> cheaters. Incompetent cheaters at that! LOL!
Then why would you even bother following the Jets under Tanny? Even
if the Jets, by some miracle, win something this year, it'll be
tarnished. :-)
So that's it? "I'm coming for you next" amounted to that? ROFLOL!