It Was Good being An American While It Lasted...
mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu
Healthfare vote.
The good news, is that abortions will be free provided by you the
taxpayer (I am all for sticking a rusty coat hanger into the brain of
a future moocher or looter) - the bad news is that due to government
inefficiency the wait for abortions will be ten months (you do the
math).
Some bad news: you take your young child to your regular doctor. Your
regular doctor has retired because of strict Obama price controls
which limits his income. Instead you are visiting a new inexperienced
doctor.
Normally you be in or out of the doctor's office in an hour or two,
but ahead of your little girl are Mo'nique, Yolanda, and Shaniqua with
their twenty two kids! And what pisses you off is that you have to
wait for hours and hours for people whose health care YOU are paying
for!!
Your poor child gets sicker and sicker so you rush the child to the
emergency room! Lo and behold you are told that there is an eight hour
wait because Maria Gonzalez, Mary Perez, and Ricardo Rodriguez are
there with their eighteen kids!!
Now you are fucking furious because you know that YOU are paying for
THEIR health care and you know that they broke the law to enter YOUR
country illegally!
Meanwhile, your child is getting worse and worse by the minute. She is
dehydrated and wants some of her favorite juice to ease her suffering.
You walk across the street to the store and in the long line ahead of
you are Mo'nique, Yolando, and Shaniqua holding up the line by paying
with food stamps that YOU paid for!!
They are slapping their unruly fatherless kids in the face and arguing
about the price of everything!
Now you are really fucking pissed!! YOU pay for other people's health
care and food while your own child suffers!
Then you hear that your child's grandmother has fallen ill and the
government won't pay for her operation. Obama said "We need to cut
costs and who costs the most in this country as for as health care is
concerned - the elderly of course. Obama prescribes your Mother some
aspirin.
Welcome to the new reality producers!!! This government is going to
take every fucking penny you earn and dole it out to the moochers and
looters of our once great nation!
mr dude (I'm sure you Libs are sucking cock to celebrate Obama
Healthfare until you find out how it affects YOUR family)
DW
<foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The good news, is that abortions will be free provided by you the
> taxpayer
But then if men could get pregnant there would be a constitutional
amendment
guaranteeing a free quick and safe abortion through the nineth month.
> Now you are fucking furious because you know that YOU are paying for
> THEIR health care and you know that they broke the law to enter YOUR
> country illegally!
And this was before health care reform passed.
> Then you hear that your child's grandmother has fallen ill and the
> government won't pay for her operation.
Those are the infamous death panels otherwise known as the
insurance company.
Husky
This is all percipitated by lawyers. The Pols (Both parties) refused
to address Tort reform, over the years, allowing it to grow into the
beast it is, today.
I'm curious how much "health care" money goes to lawyers.
Ray O'Hara
"Husky" <cyn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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if it was you or your kid and the doctor screwed up you'd be at the laeyers
office in a flash.
look up the "pinto memo"
http://www.calbaptist.edu/dskubik/pinto.htm
clouddreamer
Yup.
You know, this death panel argument is pretty weird. In Canada, nobody
is denied care at all...doesn't matter the age or health of the patient.
I have a doctor friend who works in geriatrics and the elderly are given
all the health care they want to the very end. My father is turning 80
and just had his prostrate cancer successfully treated. A 78 year old
friend of my mother has had two bouts of breast cancer in the last ten
years - both cases treated and now she is cancer free. Before my
grandmother died in 95 (at 95 years old) she was given a hip replacement
while in her late 80s. No one questioned the care in any way shape or form.
Yet, in the US you have annual limits and lifetime limits on your
coverage. I spoke to someone this morning whose relative lives in Texas
and is dying of prostrate cancer because the insurance company said he
had reached his limit. They treated him until he reached the limit then
poof, the last level of treatment was denied and he is now terminal.
What is that if not a death panel?
:\
--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.
Polarhound
> You know, this death panel argument is pretty weird. In Canada, nobody
> is denied care at all...doesn't matter the age or health of the patient.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/
"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care,"
Polarhound
And another one for you:
http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/18276/Long_Waits_for_Health_Care_Plague_Canada.html
4-6 month AVERAGE waits to see a specialist.
Three YEARS to get get a knee ligament operated on.
Access to a waiting list is not access to health care.
clouddreamer
Never said the system was perfect, but do you know what is waiting for
the person at the end of the waiting list?
Treatment.
Treatment without question.
And the waiting lists are based on priority. I've waited five months for
an ultrasound for a minor complaint...but when I had acute symptoms, I
got in within a matter of days.
In rare cases, someone may die while waiting, but what is that compared
to the person with a completely treatable cancer being told to go home
in die because they don't have enough money to pay for treatment or
being told by an insurance company that they've reached their limit.
Imagine...after years of forking over tens of thousands to the
insurer...they drop you like a rock and you die. INSANE.
I've known people with leukemia, brain, breast, prostrate and lung
cancer survive and return to society as a productive tax paying citizen.
None of them lost their jobs or homes because of their illnesses. In the
case of the leukemia survivor, he was given a bone marrow transplant at
a time when the procedure was deemed "experimental" by US insurers and
not covered...and wouldn't be for another three years. If he was
American, he would be dead.
Sure, if you look deep enough, you'll find problems, but it's still
heads, tails and feet better than letting your life be determined by a
profit margin.
..
clouddreamer
> Polarhound wrote:
>> clouddreamer wrote:
>>
>>> You know, this death panel argument is pretty weird. In Canada,
>>> nobody is denied care at all...doesn't matter the age or health of
>>> the patient.
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/
>>
>> "Access to a waiting list is not access to health care,"
>
> And another one for you:
>
> http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/18276/Long_Waits_for_Health_Care_Plague_Canada.html
A conservative website. It tells you want it wants you to hear.
>
>
> 4-6 month AVERAGE waits to see a specialist.
Not in practice. The longest I've waited is 4 months for a non-emergency
consultation. On average, I've waited six weeks.
Again. The wait is based on priority. A person with acute cancer doesn't
go to the end of the list. They go to the beginning of it.
>
> Three YEARS to get get a knee ligament operated on.
Sorry. Not the case. I've had both my knees done. One within six weeks
and the other done three months later (because I delayed it).
And again, the wait lists are based on priority.
As I said, it's not perfect, but waiting for treatment is a hell of a
lot better than waiting for no treatment or waiting to die.
..
Husky
> "Husky" <cyns...@gmail.com> wrote in message
But not asking for a Million for a chipped nail. A lot of this is
directly connected to Greedy people.
If you want to talk about ridiculous verdicts, that'll take another
thread!
mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu
>
> You know, this death panel argument is pretty weird. In Canada, nobody
> is denied care at all..
You lie!!!!!!
In a bittersweet victory, the family of an Essex County woman has
received partial reimbursement for cancer treatment in Detroit, more
than a year after she died from effects of the disease.
Ida Moretto died Dec. 21, 2006 after being treated in 2005 for a
baseball-sized tumour in her left cheek at the Karmanos Cancer
Institute in Detroit.
In a decision dated March 20, the Health Services Appeal and Review
Board reversed a decision by OHIP disallowing Moretto’s application
for reimbursement on the basis that the type of treatment involved
“was not available for her in Windsor,” said her Toronto lawyer, Brian
Cohen.
“It was clear to the (appeals) board that there was no option
available to her when she needed it. It was not available in the
Windsor area,” Cohen said Tuesday.
Basically, Moretto had two courses of treatment in Detroit. But
although she filed for OHIP approval to pay for the treatment, the
form was not sent in by her Windsor doctor for about two months, Cohen
said. So although the appeals board reversed an OHIP decision to deny
all reimbursement for about $100,000 Canadian, it only allowed
reimbursement from the date the application was received in July of
2005, covering the second half of the treatment at the Karmanos
centre. The estate will get about 45 per cent of the claim once the
final accounting of the bill has been made, Cohen said.
In a bittersweet victory, the family of an Essex County woman has
received partial reimbursement for cancer treatment in Detroit, more
than a year after she died from effects of the disease.
Ida Moretto died Dec. 21, 2006 after being treated in 2005 for a
baseball-sized tumour in her left cheek at the Karmanos Cancer
Institute in Detroit.
In a decision dated March 20, the Health Services Appeal and Review
Board reversed a decision by OHIP disallowing Moretto’s application
for reimbursement on the basis that the type of treatment involved
“was not available for her in Windsor,” said her Toronto lawyer, Brian
Cohen.
“It was clear to the (appeals) board that there was no option
available to her when she needed it. It was not available in the
Windsor area,” Cohen said Tuesday.
Basically, Moretto had two courses of treatment in Detroit. But
although she filed for OHIP approval to pay for the treatment, the
form was not sent in by her Windsor doctor for about two months, Cohen
said. So although the appeals board reversed an OHIP decision to deny
all reimbursement for about $100,000 Canadian, it only allowed
reimbursement from the date the application was received in July of
2005, covering the second half of the treatment at the Karmanos
centre. The estate will get about 45 per cent of the claim once the
final accounting of the bill has been made, Cohen said.
mr dude
mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu
>
> You know, this death panel argument is pretty weird. In Canada, nobody
> is denied care at all...
You Lie!!!!!!!!!!
Access Denied: Albertans with Chronic Kidney Disease face treatment
obstacles
Restrictive public coverage prevents patients from receiving
important
therapy
EDMONTON, June 10 /CNW/ - Patients from Alberta living with
Chronic
Kidney Disease (CKD) on dialysis are at a clear disadvantage versus
their
fellow patients across the rest of the country when it comes to
controlling
high phosphate levels. Where all other provinces and territories in
Canada
allow some form of access to alternate therapy choices, Alberta is the
only
province where Renagel, an effective and safe therapy to control
phosphorous
levels in dialysis patients, is not publicly reimbursed, thus limiting
the
specialists' access to it.
"A clear divide in the equality of treatment availability for
patients in
Alberta is unmistakably evident," says Dr. Nairne Scott-Douglas,
Medical
Director of the Southern Alberta Renal Program. "As nephrologists, all
that we
ask is to have access to all therapy options in our armamentarium and
then let
us use our training and expertise to prescribe the best solution for
each
individual patient in appropriate clinical situations."
The impact of limiting access is apparent; a nation-wide study of
dialysis patients suggests that those in Alberta are receiving, on
average,
twice the amount of daily calcium recommended by Health Canada while
some are
ingesting up to four times the suggested dosage largely due to the
absorption
of calcium from their phosphate binders.
mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu
>
> You know, this death panel argument is pretty weird. In Canada, nobody
> is denied care at all...
You Lie!!!!!!!!!
My family resides in Nova Scotia, Canada. In my mother's experience
based on her age, she was denied treatment for a serious infection.
She almost died. Therefore, I do agree that older Canadians are denied
care. This was certainly our family’s experience. Some Canadian
doctors refuse to take on patients, because they have reached their
fifties. These middle aged adults now have to fight the system for
care, because they are getting older, but are not yet in their golden
years.
Some Canadian doctors have also been known to refuse to take on
patients with disabilities or chronic illnesses. These doctors do
consider such patients to be time consuming. Doctors would take home a
smaller pay cheque.
Long waiting lists can result in furthering significant illness and
disabilities due to delaying treatment. Waiting lists are inefficient.
Lost time from work means a loss of productively for individuals,
their work places, and for the provinces economy. A loss in incomes
also means choosing between food, paying rent or medical bills such as
for medications or physiotherapy. Deaths have also been known to
happen when people are forced wait too long for even urgent
operations. Their illness progresses to the point that in some cases
they are too ill to have the surgery. Even if they have their
operation its too late. There is less cost to the system if a patient
dies, because the system no longer pays out for their care. That is if
they receive the necessary treatment or surgery. Pharmaceuticals are
another matter. Often the newer expensive cancer treatments or others
are not covered in Canada. Coverage varies considerably depending on
one’s province. Often, however, because medications tend not to be
covered one either has coverage through their private insurance or
pays out of pocket for their medication. Another obstacle, an
increasing number of Canadians do not have a general physician.
There are many problems with our healthcare system in Canada.
Universal care does not mean access to care. At least not in Canada.
Ray O'Hara
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I'm sure you can provide a cite for that claim.
why do you wingnuts always resort to lies
Husky
You're right, I can. http://www.hurt911.org/tort-reform-jury-verdict-lawsuit.html
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=%22lawsuits%22+%22excessive+awards%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=ae8f9588018abe0f
You're an idiot. What lies?
Polarhound
> Polarhound wrote:
>> Polarhound wrote:
>>> clouddreamer wrote:
>>>
>>>> You know, this death panel argument is pretty weird. In Canada,
>>>> nobody is denied care at all...doesn't matter the age or health of
>>>> the patient.
>>>
>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/
>>>
>>> "Access to a waiting list is not access to health care,"
>>
>> And another one for you:
>>
>> http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/18276/Long_Waits_for_Health_Care_Plague_Canada.html
>
>
> A conservative website. It tells you want it wants you to hear.
Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot: If it's not on the front page of Kos
it doesn't count.
>
>>
>>
>> 4-6 month AVERAGE waits to see a specialist.
>
> Not in practice. The longest I've waited is 4 months for a non-emergency
> consultation. On average, I've waited six weeks.
That's nice, most of us get seen in under a week right now.
> Again. The wait is based on priority. A person with acute cancer doesn't
> go to the end of the list. They go to the beginning of it.
Do we really need to start with the endless links showing you are a
liar? Oh wait, that's right, it's not on DemocratUnderground so it
doesn't count with you.
> And again, the wait lists are based on priority.
As of 2005, Canada was down to 2.1 doctors per 1000 patients. If this
system was working so well, why are they talking about privatization of
health care again?
Polarhound
> And the waiting lists are based on priority. I've waited five months for
> an ultrasound for a minor complaint...but when I had acute symptoms, I
> got in within a matter of days.
That's nice, down here you can get into your doctor the same day for
acute issues, and regular ones are a matter of days, not HALF A YEAR.
> Sure, if you look deep enough, you'll find problems, but it's still
> heads, tails and feet better than letting your life be determined by a
> profit margin.
As opposed to the government hitting me up for 48% of my income every
year just to pay for health care as it does yours?
Now if you'll excuse me, I have an appointment in an hour with my doctor
for a minor issue.. An appointment I made while I was typing this.
Enjoy your five month wait.
Polarhound
> But not asking for a Million for a chipped nail. A lot of this is
> directly connected to Greedy people.
*snort*
You lost your credibility on this subject when you championed against
tort reform.
Polarhound
> I'm sure you can provide a cite for that claim.
> why do you wingnuts always resort to lies
Not our fault the truth hurts you so much.
clouddreamer
> clouddreamer wrote:
>
>> And the waiting lists are based on priority. I've waited five months
>> for an ultrasound for a minor complaint...but when I had acute
>> symptoms, I got in within a matter of days.
>
> That's nice, down here you can get into your doctor the same day for
> acute issues, and regular ones are a matter of days, not HALF A YEAR.
>
>> Sure, if you look deep enough, you'll find problems, but it's still
>> heads, tails and feet better than letting your life be determined by a
>> profit margin.
>
> As opposed to the government hitting me up for 48% of my income every
> year just to pay for health care as it does yours?
Bullshit. I make six figures and have yet to come close to that.
clouddreamer
> clouddreamer wrote:
>> Polarhound wrote:
>>> Polarhound wrote:
>>>> clouddreamer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You know, this death panel argument is pretty weird. In Canada,
>>>>> nobody is denied care at all...doesn't matter the age or health of
>>>>> the patient.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/
>>>>
>>>> "Access to a waiting list is not access to health care,"
>>>
>>> And another one for you:
>>>
>>> http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/18276/Long_Waits_for_Health_Care_Plague_Canada.html
>>
>>
>>
>> A conservative website. It tells you want it wants you to hear.
>
> Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot: If it's not on the front page of Kos
> it doesn't count.
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4-6 month AVERAGE waits to see a specialist.
>>
>> Not in practice. The longest I've waited is 4 months for a
>> non-emergency consultation. On average, I've waited six weeks.
>
> That's nice, most of us get seen in under a week right now.
The key word being "most."
And that's for specialists, not my doctor. I can get in to see her same
day. I get x-rays and blood tests on the same day. So, don't bullshit me
with your timeline. I have relatives in the US and they've waited weeks
to see specialists.
>> Again. The wait is based on priority. A person with acute cancer
>> doesn't go to the end of the list. They go to the beginning of it.
>
> Do we really need to start with the endless links showing you are a
> liar? Oh wait, that's right, it's not on DemocratUnderground so it
> doesn't count with you.
>
I don't need Kos or DemocratUnderground to tell me about the health care
system that I use.
When my brother got leukemia, his treatment started within days and a
bone marrow transplant saved his life. A transplant that, at the time,
was considered "experimental" in the US and therefore would not have
been covered by insurance. If he was American, he'd be dead or still
paying off hundreds of thousands in medical debt. Instead, he's alive
and spent the last 30 years as a productive taxpaying citizen.
>> And again, the wait lists are based on priority.
>
> As of 2005, Canada was down to 2.1 doctors per 1000 patients. If this
> system was working so well, why are they talking about privatization of
> health care again?
They can talk all they like. It won't happen with a minority
Conservative government.
Not Sure
Sorry, but unless we're speaking of your weight, nothing about you
comes close to six figures, liar. Better luck next time :)
mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu
> Polarhound wrote:
>
> Bullshit. I make six figures and have yet to come close to that.
>
Only 6 figures???
You're not a very good balloon animal maker!!!
I bet very few people book you for birthday parties!
mr dude
mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu
> We must change the way we live
> Or the climate will do it for us.
In Canada, unions control the entire healthcare process. In Manitoba,
for example, there is an eight-month wait for colonoscopies, yet the
unions do not permit weekend or evening procedures, thereby extending
the waiting lists. The unions are doing to healthcare in Canada what
they have done to education in America: stifling creativity,
reinforcing bureaucracy and extending waiting times.
Because of these long waits for colonoscopies, there is now a 25
percent higher incidence of colon cancer in Canada than in the United
States. And because the leading drugs that we routinely use to treat
the malady in the U.S. are banned in Canada because of their high
cost, 41 percent of Canadians who get the cancer die of it, compared
with only 32 percent in the United States. Overall, the cancer death
rate in Canada runs 16 percent higher than in the United States.
Cancer does not wait for waiting lists to clear.
mr dude (Canada is killing it's own citizens!!!!!!)
mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu
> I don't need Kos or DemocratUnderground to tell me about the health care
> system that I use.
And who would know the health care system that YOU use better than
HEAD of the Camnadian Haelth care system????
Canadian Medical Association: "System is Imploding"
By Mona Charen | 08/18/09 | 12:25 AM EDT
Here's a cautionary tale from last week's Canadian Press. The incoming
president of the Canadian Medical Association, Dr. Anne Doig, has
described the health system as in crisis. "(Canadians) have to
understand that the system that we have right now, if it keeps on
going without change, is not sustainable," she said. "... We all agree
that the system is imploding. We all agree that things are more
precarious than perhaps Canadians realize."
mr dude (getting tired of bitch slapping you)
Ray OHara
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you fucking moron those weren't my posts they are Husky's you fucking moron.
learn to use the usenet
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