The Patriots on a downward spiral.
MZ
and lost only one game. I don't think anyone here thinks they'll lose only
1 game again in '08. So, yes, I will concede that the Pats will "decline"
next year as opposed to this one.
So what are the differences between this year's team and last year's?
In terms of coaching, the only major shakeup is the addition of Dom Capers.
It remains to be seen how positive an impact this will have, but it's hard
to imagine it being a downgrade.
On offense, the team loses Donte Stallworth and Kyle Brady. And that's
about it. Reiss has speculated that Stephen Neal may miss camp, but he
missed most of last season anyway, so you can't really count that as a
downgrade. That should be a good reason to try to add a guard on the second
day of the draft though. So the most prolific offense in NFL history loses
its 4th best receiver and its blocking TE. Big deal. I think Chad Jackson
will be a definite possibility to take over for Donte as what I call the
"gimmicky" receiver; the one you might run a reverse with or a quick out
and let him get some yardage. Kyle Brady will be a tough loss, but David
Thomas will return as the #2 TE. He obviously doesn't have Brady's blocking
skill, but he's certainly a better receiver. The running game will take a
hit with the loss of Kyle Brady, but hopefully Sammy Morris can contribute a
whole season this year.
Basically, on offense I think the team will be prepared to again "run up the
score" a lot. The starting lineup is intact. There's very little "decline"
there.
On special teams, they've lost nobody. In fact, they've added Sam Aiken,
who's pretty good. I think they need to address their KR spot though. Or
just use Maroney back there. I'm not sold on Hobbs or Andrews or Jackson as
kick returners. They may also consider upgrading the punter, but this team
relies less on the punter than any other.
Defensively is where they've been hit. But let's look at the losses: Rosie
Colvin, Asante Samuel, Junior Seau (maybe), Randall Gay, and Eugene Wilson.
Well, Wilson doesn't matter -- he barely played anyway. Randall Gay spent
practically all of last season as the nickel corner, a role that he wasn't
particularly good at, IMO. Personally, I've seen enough from Mike
Richardson to know that he can fill those shoes. Also, they picked up Jason
Webster for depth and may return Chad Scott, so I'm not particularly worried
about the nickel corner position.
Therefore, the major losses will be the (possible) loss of the third down
ILB, the starting ROLB (who was gone for a significant portion of last year
anyway), and starting CB. And this is supposedly going to transform the 2nd
best defense in football last year into a bad unit? If they don't make any
more moves, then there's no way they make it to #2 again. But if they're
able to land two starters in the draft and with whatever free agent money
they have remaining, then there's no reason to believe the D will be much
worse.
An LB and a starting CB are the only "needs" this team has right now.
Everything else is a "want".
Polarhound
> An LB and a starting CB are the only "needs" this team has right now.
> Everything else is a "want".
I still wouldn't mind seeing Dan Connor under the Draft Day tree.
drtyu
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McDuck
Great post, and football to boot.
I do have a few questions.
Don't you think that age on the defense is an issue (some pluses,
mostly minuses)? Tedy Bruschi and Rodney Harrison seem to be showing
their age, Seymour seemed to be wearing down some from his several
injuries. and Ellis Hobbs, whom I like, seems hobbled a lot. On the
plus side, Brandon Meriweather and Mike Richardson should be better
with a year (additional year) of experience. But any draft pick will
be, by definition, totally inexperienced.
Age does not seem to be a major issue on offense, or is it? A plus at
backup QB, I assume. And at WR for Jackson. Still, the league will
have caught up with the offense some, as seemed to happen as the
season progressed. Presumably, there will be some changes to counter
the league adjustments.
My biggest worry on offense is RB. I was surprised at how well Sammy
Morris ran until he was injured, but I always have concerns about RBs
coming back from injury --- they typically need to be v. healthy to be
good.
That said, any view on RB Kevin Jones, just cut by the Lions. It
seemed to be totally an injury cut, since Jones, by reputation, has a
great work ethic and was pretty good (both as runner and receiver and
even as blocker) before his foot injury (the same injury Law had,
with that French name --- begins with L-- which I've forgotten). Then
Jones had a knee injury later in the season. Not reliable, but perhaps
on IR or whatever.
RM81
good assessment, I think they'll still win more than they lose but it
won't be like last years record.
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> a downward spiral? What a retarded subject for the post you wrote.
Huh? I addressed the notion that the Patriots are on a downward spiral,
which is something you see in almost every football message board out there.
Hence the subject title.
MZ
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> Great post, and football to boot.
Thanks.
> I do have a few questions.
>
> Don't you think that age on the defense is an issue (some pluses,
> mostly minuses)? Tedy Bruschi and Rodney Harrison seem to be showing
> their age, Seymour seemed to be wearing down some from his several
> injuries. and Ellis Hobbs, whom I like, seems hobbled a lot. On the
> plus side, Brandon Meriweather and Mike Richardson should be better
> with a year (additional year) of experience. But any draft pick will
> be, by definition, totally inexperienced.
Yeah, Tedy seems to slow down with every year. We'll see whether or not
he's as effective this year. Rodney also isn't getting any younger.
However, keep in mind that he missed a lot of camp last year and the first
four games due to suspension, so things should be better for him this year.
Also, it's good that you brought up Seymour, since he missed all of camp and
nearly half the season last year. He should fare better this season too.
The only one who I really think loses the comparison test is Bruschi,
whereas Meriweather's progression is undeniable, and Hobbs and Sanders
continue to get better as well. So I don't think think the "age" argument
is as big a deal as they say it is...yet. I think the much bigger issue
(really, the only real issue...) is the departure of Samuel and Colvin.
> Age does not seem to be a major issue on offense, or is it? A plus at
> backup QB, I assume. And at WR for Jackson. Still, the league will
> have caught up with the offense some, as seemed to happen as the
> season progressed. Presumably, there will be some changes to counter
> the league adjustments.
>
> My biggest worry on offense is RB. I was surprised at how well Sammy
> Morris ran until he was injured, but I always have concerns about RBs
> coming back from injury --- they typically need to be v. healthy to be
> good.
>
> That said, any view on RB Kevin Jones, just cut by the Lions. It
> seemed to be totally an injury cut, since Jones, by reputation, has a
> great work ethic and was pretty good (both as runner and receiver and
> even as blocker) before his foot injury (the same injury Law had,
> with that French name --- begins with L-- which I've forgotten). Then
> Jones had a knee injury later in the season. Not reliable, but perhaps
> on IR or whatever.
Lis Franc injury.
Yeah, I like the idea of adding Jones if the price is right. But Sri and
others have pointed out that this draft class is very deep at running back,
so a 4th round pick or so might be well spent on RB. I think the age issue
on offense shouldn't be entirely overlooked, at least as it pertains to two
positions: RB (we need Faulk's replacement...a guy who I think might be
very difficult to replace); and G (Neal's hurt and isn't young, and
Hochstein isn't that young either -- and I don't think Yates is very good).
Ideally, I'd like to see them pick a CB and LB early, to address the major
needs. An RB in the 4th or thereabouts and a G in the 5th. It's been shown
that you can get decent players at those positions in that part of the
draft.
Sri Krsna
>Basically, on offense I think the team will be prepared to again "run up the
>score" a lot. The starting lineup is intact. There's very little "decline"
>there.
>
>
Yeah, and even though I'm hardly sold on Chad Jackson, I don't think the
loss of Stallworth, a receiver I was never that high on, will mean the
offense will be any less productive. DS made some nice plays for us last
year, but he really was a role player and someone who can be replaced.
Same with K. Brady and in the worse case scenario, we can just line up
Hochstein or whomever as the eligible receiver/blocking TE.
As the draft closes, I'm getting more anxious about our OT situation
though. I can't see opposing teams choosing to go nickle or dime against
the Pats only to end up getting picked apart. I think we'll see more
attacking defenses against Brady and the Pats offense because that's
really the only way to stop this high octane offense so protecting him
becomes more of a priority especially against the Colts and their edge
speed rushers on both flanks. Hell, if they add Colvin to their roster,
then our OLine situation becomes more of a problem.
>An LB and a starting CB are the only "needs" this team has right now.
>Everything else is a "want".
>
>
Agreed and though I don't want to dwell on the subject, I still don't
get the release of Colvin. Also, I wouldn't say Seau is a third down
ILB. As you'll recall, even at this age, he's still one of the best in
the league from the LB position on run throughs and stuffing the RB for
a loss. Also, recall the Indy game in which the Pats played mostly a 43
with Rodney as a OLB. Bruschi and Seau basically split time as the MLB
and I really don't think their play depended on the situation.
Sri Krsna
>That said, any view on RB Kevin Jones, just cut by the Lions. It
>seemed to be totally an injury cut, since Jones, by reputation, has a
>great work ethic and was pretty good (both as runner and receiver and
>even as blocker) before his foot injury (the same injury Law had,
>with that French name --- begins with L-- which I've forgotten). Then
>Jones had a knee injury later in the season. Not reliable, but perhaps
>on IR or whatever.
>
>
One thing about the Pats underrated and unappreciated running game was
how well the backs took care of the ball last year. I just don't recall
any critical fumbles lost last season. And this is exactly why I'm not
that high on K. Jones. If the Pats decide to go after another RB, I
prefer it to be in the draft or waiting a few more weeks/months because
more high profile backs will be released. But I really don't see another
solid RB being a "need" on the team.
MZ
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> Agreed and though I don't want to dwell on the subject, I still don't get
> the release of Colvin.
He's also not drawing interest from other teams (he's probably too hurt).
So do you think there's a chance he returns to the Pats?
> Also, I wouldn't say Seau is a third down ILB. As you'll recall, even at
> this age, he's still one of the best in the league from the LB position on
> run throughs and stuffing the RB for a loss. Also, recall the Indy game in
> which the Pats played mostly a 43 with Rodney as a OLB. Bruschi and Seau
> basically split time as the MLB and I really don't think their play
> depended on the situation.
Yeah, it was shorthand. He really did an awesome job from the weak side in
the 3-4. I think he would have struggled a lot more if he was forced to
play strong ILB more often, as Bruschi had to do in '06 or when Thomas was
moved outside. Bruschi can play in either capacity well. But I think the
biggest difference between the two is that Bruschi almost always came off
the field in passing situations, whereas Seau usually didn't.
Sri Krsna
>He's also not drawing interest from other teams (he's probably too hurt).
>So do you think there's a chance [Colvin] returns to the Pats?
>
According to what I've read from interviews with Colvin, I don't think
his injury is that severe and there are teams interested in him. He's
just waiting to see which offer and situation best suits his need and
his family's. Also, it sounds to me like the Pats and BB are just
heading in another direction so I don't expect him back, and it didn't
sound like Colvin thinks BB will change his mind on the matter. This
leads me to believe that the Pats brass think highly of some of the
DE/OLB prospects.
OceanView
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It's entirely possible that Dom Capers' addition will offset some of the
defensive losses, though I'd still like to see some youth.
Neil X.
I'm a bit more worried than you and Mark seem to be about the LB
situation. I don't think it would be a good idea to depend on Bruschi
as a starter at this point. He'd be great as a situational backup,
but he's older, slower and smaller than what NE needs at ILB at this
point in his career. I can envision him having an impact if he played
half the snaps per game than he did this year--fresh legs later in the
game, etc.
At this point, I'm assuming that Thomas and Vrabel will spend most of
their time outside. I could be wrong about that, of course. Maybe
they're projecting Thomas to play mostly inside again this year. But
he's more of an impact player outside than in, it would be better to
leave him mostly at OLB if they can do it. So who plays inside? It's
going to be someone who isn't currently on the roster, no?
Neil X.
MZ
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I've assumed that they'll continue to use Thomas on the inside, as he's a
better ILB compared to his peers than he is an OLB. In other words, there
are more players in the league that you can say are as good or better than
Thomas at OLB, than there are at ILB. That means that it's probably easier
to grab an OLB replacement than an ILB replacement of his caliber. But his
flexibility means that they do have the luxury of adding either spot.
With the roster in its current form, the most likely starters would be
either Seau (if he returns), Eric Alexander (both of which would mean Thomas
on the outside), or Pierre Woods. Neither Alexander nor Woods saw much time
in the base D last year. But sometimes they would bring in Alexander in the
goalline D, and you may recall Woods playing a series in the super bowl, and
he did pretty well too. I'd hate for it to come to either of them starting,
but they could add depth -- which would mean we only need one starter at LB.
Neil X.
I don't think that the team gets the full benefits of Thomas's speed
when he plays inside. On the outside, he is a behemoth with winged
feet. It seemed to me that he had much more impact when he moved
outside after Colvin was hurt. I don't know where he ranks versus the
rest of the league, inside versus outside, but he played better for
the Pats on the outside. So I would like to see him stay there. It
was the same way with Vrabel--he could do the job inside, but he makes
more of an impact outside. There's something to be said for putting
players where they play best.
> With the roster in its current form, the most likely starters would be
> either Seau (if he returns), Eric Alexander (both of which would mean Thomas
> on the outside), or Pierre Woods. Neither Alexander nor Woods saw much time
> in the base D last year. But sometimes they would bring in Alexander in the
> goalline D, and you may recall Woods playing a series in the super bowl, and
> he did pretty well too. I'd hate for it to come to either of them starting,
> but they could add depth -- which would mean we only need one starter at LB.
I don't think Seau will be back, just a guess. The Pats need to find
two ILBs (or 1 ILB and 1 OLB, if Thomas moves back inside,) which is
why I'm worried about the position. Woods, I didn't much notice him
in the SB at the time, and I"m NOT going back to the tape of that,
yet. It would be great if he became a major contributor. He
certainly has the size to make an impact. 6'5" 250 pounds, he's a big
boy.
But Belichick clearly thinks about LB differently from most folks.
"Old and slow" doesn't seem to bother him nearly as much as
"inexperienced" does. I suspect that the holes at LB will be filled
with 30-something veterans, not the draft. I'd sure like to think a
young stud could come in and start right away at LB for the Pats, but
even a seasoned vet like Thomas took a long time to assimilate the
position. He'll probably be much, much better next year.
I note that T.J. Slaughter is listed as an LB on the Pats roster. He
didn't play a single down in the league last year. You know anything
about him?
Neil X.
MZ
> On Mar 17, 11:38 am, "MZ" <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> I've assumed that they'll continue to use Thomas on the inside, as he's a
>> better ILB compared to his peers than he is an OLB. In other words,
>> there
>> are more players in the league that you can say are as good or better
>> than
>> Thomas at OLB, than there are at ILB. That means that it's probably
>> easier
>> to grab an OLB replacement than an ILB replacement of his caliber. But
>> his
>> flexibility means that they do have the luxury of adding either spot.
>
>
> I don't think that the team gets the full benefits of Thomas's speed
> when he plays inside. On the outside, he is a behemoth with winged
> feet. It seemed to me that he had much more impact when he moved
> outside after Colvin was hurt. I don't know where he ranks versus the
> rest of the league, inside versus outside, but he played better for
> the Pats on the outside. So I would like to see him stay there. It
> was the same way with Vrabel--he could do the job inside, but he makes
> more of an impact outside. There's something to be said for putting
> players where they play best.
And I don't think he necessarily plays best on the outside. Yes, he was
more involved in the pass rush from the outside. I also liked that they
matched him up in man coverage with the slot receiver whenever the receiver
was on the offensive left, a role that I think he uniquely plays. But I
think downfield coverage and in the seam was lacking when he was moved
outside.
The 3-4, unlike the 4-3, often relies more strongly on the ILB to assume
coverage duties on the TEs or in the middle of the field (depending on who
they're rushing, etc). Bruschi and Seau in that capacity was painful to
watch. Also, aside from his great speed he also has great size, which is a
good attribute to have when you're playing ILB on the strong side. So from
that spot he can make use of his rare mixture of size and speed. In the
3-4, raw speed is less of an asset on the outside than it is in the 4-3,
IMO. Look at Colvin and Vrabel, two guys who are quick off the snap, pretty
good at getting after the QB, but in terms of raw speed they're slow as
molasses in today's NFL. Yet in coverage, Colvin did an awesome job in the
flat (Vrabel, not so much, IMO). So I think in many cases, raw speed on the
outside (not to be confused with quickness) is overrated in the 3-4.
>> With the roster in its current form, the most likely starters would be
>> either Seau (if he returns), Eric Alexander (both of which would mean
>> Thomas
>> on the outside), or Pierre Woods. Neither Alexander nor Woods saw much
>> time
>> in the base D last year. But sometimes they would bring in Alexander in
>> the
>> goalline D, and you may recall Woods playing a series in the super bowl,
>> and
>> he did pretty well too. I'd hate for it to come to either of them
>> starting,
>> but they could add depth -- which would mean we only need one starter at
>> LB.
>
>
> I don't think Seau will be back, just a guess. The Pats need to find
> two ILBs (or 1 ILB and 1 OLB, if Thomas moves back inside,) which is
> why I'm worried about the position. Woods, I didn't much notice him
> in the SB at the time, and I"m NOT going back to the tape of that,
> yet. It would be great if he became a major contributor. He
> certainly has the size to make an impact. 6'5" 250 pounds, he's a big
> boy.
Yeah, Woods seems to have McGinest's body type. Those long arms should help
him against OTs against the edge. He's also pretty fast for a guy that
size. But McGinest was very good at (and underrated in) two things:
setting the edge and jamming receivers. I don't know that we can expect
Woods to be as adept at either of those things. He always looked good in
preseason getting after the QB though, so I wonder why he wasn't used more
often than he was last year.
> But Belichick clearly thinks about LB differently from most folks.
> "Old and slow" doesn't seem to bother him nearly as much as
> "inexperienced" does. I suspect that the holes at LB will be filled
> with 30-something veterans, not the draft. I'd sure like to think a
> young stud could come in and start right away at LB for the Pats, but
> even a seasoned vet like Thomas took a long time to assimilate the
> position. He'll probably be much, much better next year.
Yeah. But as for the draft, remember we used to say that Belichick doesn't
draft O-linemen early, then he went and selected the best guard in the draft
in the first round. So I wouldn't completely rule it out. Especially if
the rumors were true about him being interested in taking Vilma with the
first pick a few years back.
> I note that T.J. Slaughter is listed as an LB on the Pats roster. He
> didn't play a single down in the league last year. You know anything
> about him?
Not really.
shariq...@yahoo.com
going to offer him a contract
MZ
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> Any news about the status of Adam Seward? I am assuming they are not
> going to offer him a contract
I haven't heard anything. They might be trying to hammer out a deal with
the Panthers in a trade though, similar to what they did with Welker last
year.
MZ
I also wonder if it may have been a shit-or-get-off-the-pot message to Seau.
They may want him to commit now to returning (even if it means officially
signing after the minicamps, etc), and they could have used Seward as the
leverage.
Neil X.
>
> And I don't think he necessarily plays best on the outside. Yes, he was
> more involved in the pass rush from the outside. I also liked that they
> matched him up in man coverage with the slot receiver whenever the receiver
> was on the offensive left, a role that I think he uniquely plays. But I
> think downfield coverage and in the seam was lacking when he was moved
> outside.
>
> The 3-4, unlike the 4-3, often relies more strongly on the ILB to assume
> coverage duties on the TEs or in the middle of the field (depending on who
> they're rushing, etc). Bruschi and Seau in that capacity was painful to
> watch. Also, aside from his great speed he also has great size, which is a
> good attribute to have when you're playing ILB on the strong side. So from
> that spot he can make use of his rare mixture of size and speed. In the
> 3-4, raw speed is less of an asset on the outside than it is in the 4-3,
> IMO. Look at Colvin and Vrabel, two guys who are quick off the snap, pretty
> good at getting after the QB, but in terms of raw speed they're slow as
> molasses in today's NFL. Yet in coverage, Colvin did an awesome job in the
> flat (Vrabel, not so much, IMO). So I think in many cases, raw speed on the
> outside (not to be confused with quickness) is overrated in the 3-4.
Yes, I understand that ILBs have much more coverage responsibility in
Belichick's 3-4 than most inside/middle linebackers do, but don't
underestimate the usefulness of speed outside, too. Colvin and
Vrabel's success outside, despite being slow, speaks more to their
remarkably quick read/react capacity than it does to speed not being
needed outside. Vrabel succeeds on the outside despite being slow.
If he had more speed, he would be even better. I love the idea of
Thomas being free to attack the QB around the edge sometimes, and I
have to think that with Capers joining the team, Thomas's value to the
team as a rusher is increased. I suspect we'll see a lot more of
Thomas blitzing next year than we saw in '07.
> Yeah, Woods seems to have McGinest's body type. Those long arms should help
> him against OTs against the edge. He's also pretty fast for a guy that
> size. But McGinest was very good at (and underrated in) two things:
> setting the edge and jamming receivers. I don't know that we can expect
> Woods to be as adept at either of those things. He always looked good in
> preseason getting after the QB though, so I wonder why he wasn't used more
> often than he was last year.
Let's hope that Woods didn't see the field more because they liked the
way that Seau and Bruschi were playing too much to sit them down.
Doubtful, but let's hope anyway.
> as for the draft, remember we used to say that Belichick doesn't
> draft O-linemen early, then he went and selected the best guard in the draft
> in the first round. So I wouldn't completely rule it out. Especially if
> the rumors were true about him being interested in taking Vilma with the
> first pick a few years back.
It's safe to say that nobody outside of the organization knows who the
Patriots will select until Goodell reads the name. It's also safe to
assume that at least two TEs will be selected at some point.
Neil X.
Sri Krsna
>I'm a bit more worried than you and Mark seem to be about the LB
>situation. I don't think it would be a good idea to depend on Bruschi
>as a starter at this point. He'd be great as a situational backup,
>but he's older, slower and smaller than what NE needs at ILB at this
>point in his career. I can envision him having an impact if he played
>half the snaps per game than he did this year--fresh legs later in the
>game, etc.
>
You're right in that I'm not worried about the LB situation, and more
specifically about Bruschi, whom I think will be fine for another year
or two. That's not to say I don't share the same concerns as you with
regard to youth and speed in the long run at the position. But again, I
think a starting rotation of Vrabel - Seau - Bruschi - AD or Vrabel - AD
- Bruschi/Seau (rotation) - rookie be it Gholston, Harvey, Avril or
whomever will be fine for at least this upcoming season. Granted, both
Seau and Bruschi are slower, older and will need to be monitored
carefully and protected by Pees and BB, but to reiterate something I've
said a few weeks ago, you just can't past how well these old warriors
played this past season in various situations ranging from run stopping
to underneath coverage. It's fair to say they weren't great in coverage,
but they did make their fair share of plays even in coverage and I
suspect Pees and BB could scheme better to compensate for their lack of
speed by having them drop deeper into coverage or by rotating Rodney
(something they did much of this past season) or Tank in their place.
>
>At this point, I'm assuming that Thomas and Vrabel will spend most of
>their time outside. I could be wrong about that, of course. Maybe
>they're projecting Thomas to play mostly inside again this year. But
>he's more of an impact player outside than in, it would be better to
>leave him mostly at OLB if they can do it. So who plays inside? It's
>going to be someone who isn't currently on the roster, no?
>
>
>
And that's the thing. From what I've seen, none of the free agent ILBs
or even OLBs like Haggans, Hobson or even Takeo are appreciably better
than Bruschi or Seau. Actually, with Haggans and Hobson, they're both
quite worse. Nor do I consider a guy like Seward as the magic bullet
that cures the issues at the LB spot. Even at their respective stages in
their careers and even at their ages, both Seau and Bruschi are better
options at the position even if one doesn't take salaries into the
equation. Thus, AD is really the trump card for the Pats given that he
can play outside and inside at a high level, and if he were to play
inside, this means Bruschi and Seau split snaps at the other ILB spot
with a first day rookie pick at the OLB. Any way you cut it, I still
think it's an excellent rotation, but there is a need at one LB spot be
it an ILB or a pass rushing OLB even if Seau were to come back.
Sri Krsna
Yeah, and waiting until draft day to see how the draft unfolds before
pulling the trigger on a trade.
McDuck
That was my sense --- that Seau is not keen to go to camp and would
prefer to sign a bit late. Can't blame him.
GAZ
> a downward spiral? What a retarded subject for the post you wrote.
He's not retarded. He's special.
David
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What are you talking about? Your defense is loaded with youth: Rodney
Harrison, Chad Scott, Junior Seau, Tedy Bruschi ........ etc.
MZ
Still trolling, huh? This attempt is even more pathetic than the last
one. Especially since you listed all the "old" players on the D -- which
gave you a huge list of 2 players (and an additional two who aren't even
on the team). Wow. Two. I guess this is sort of like the mass exodus in
the secondary, right?
Sri Krsna
>What are you talking about? Your defense is loaded with youth: Rodney
>Harrison, Chad Scott, Junior Seau, Tedy Bruschi ........ etc.
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Chad Scott and Junior Seau are both free agents who do not have
contracts with the Pats as of now. Players like Warren, Wilfork,
Meriweather and so on are also on the Pats defense's roster in addition
to the over 30 players.