How the Dolphins blew it
BobJensen08863
Hasselbeck still a hot topic
Dolphins feel they had a trade for Pack's backup quarterback
ARMANDO SALGUERO
asal...@herald.com
PALM DESERT, Calif. -- Matt Hasselbeck will be Seattle's starting quarterback
in 2001, but were it not for odd timing and curious behind-the-scenes dealing,
he would be preparing for his first season as the Dolphins' starter.
The Dolphins were confident that they had acquired the
quarterback from the Green Bay Packers in exchange for their first-round pick
on March 2. Personnel boss Rick Spielman was so certain the deal was done, he
negotiated a new Dolphins contract with Hasselbeck's agent.
But even as the Dolphins believed they had a deal, the Packers were negotiating
a trade with Seattle -- ultimately trading Hasselbeck and their first-round
draft pick (17th overall) for Seattle's first-rounder (10th overall) and a
third-rounder.
The aborted deal has not severed the relationship between the Packers and
Dolphins, two teams that traded with each other six times since 1994. But one
Dolphins source says cryptically, ``We won't forget what happened.''
According to interviews conducted during the NFL owners' meeting, the Dolphins
and Packers first discussed a trade for Hasselbeck during the scouting combine
in late February. The Packers' asking price for their unproven, second-string
quarterback was a first-round pick. And that price seemed high to the Dolphins.
``I had reservations about giving up our No. 1,'' Dolphins coach Dave Wannstedt
said. ``You don't just trade that pick away every day. But we ultimately
figured we would give up that pick.''
To make the trade palatable to Wannstedt -- and improve Miami's take in the
deal -- Spielman asked the Packers to exchange second-round picks. The Packers
had the earlier selection in the second round so the Dolphins would effectively
be improving their position in that round and adding a starting QB.
``We had a deal and then they had to add something,'' Green Bay general manager
Ron Wolf told The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. ``If they had not added
something, then we would have done the deal with Miami.''
Although Wannstedt was on board with giving up Miami'sfirst-rounder and
exchanging second rounders, Spielman tried to make things even sweeter for the
Dolphins by extracting a switch of third-rounders as well.
Spielman told Wolf he needed to make that exchange -- again, getting a higher
pick in the third round -- to convince Wannstedt the deal should be
consummated.
According to the Miami source, the Packers ultimately agreed to that deal. But
Wolf says there was no agreement because Spielman had to get approval for the
new terms from Wannstedt.
``There was no deal,'' Wolf told The Journal Sentinel. ``They had to get it
approved, but by the time they came back, we had another player.''
Spielman called Wannstedt to get final approval for the trade but the two did
not immediately connect, according to the Miami source. In the interim,
Spielman reached an agreement in principle with agent Van McElroy on what was
supposed to be Hasselbeck's Miami contract. McElroy was given permission by the
Packers to discuss a new contract with other teams.
Spielman completed that negotiation and then called Wannstedt again, this time
receiving final go-ahead to make the trade. Spielman then called Wolf and was
told the Packers were sending Hasselbeck to Seattle instead.
Green Bay coach Mike Sherman, who is succeeding the retiring Wolf as the
Packers' personnel boss, had stepped in and called Seattle coach Mike Holmgren
to propose a Hasselbeck trade. Sherman is a former assistant to Holmgren and
the Dolphins believe that bond gave Seattle an edge.
``That may have something to do with it,'' Wannstedt said.
Spielman declined to discuss the specifics of the deal, saying only he ``was
disappointed'' when he found out the Packers went in another direction.
He made that comment between meetings at the Desert Springs Marriott Resort and
Spa. Spielman was filling that free time by reading a book:
The Packer Way. By Ron Wolf.
Terry Gowan
worth a 1st and a 3rd? We'll see. I would have hesitated to trade a 1st
for him. He could be another Mark Brunnel, or he could be another perennial
back-up who never makes the grade starting in the NFL. We'll see.
Terry Gowan
BobJensen08863 wrote in message
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MoonScorch
it." It just eats you up that Wannstedt has done a good job and the
Schmoe-of-the-Month up there in NYJ land for the last two decades hasn't done
squat.
Mike
Tim Lines
Terry Gowan wrote:
> Whether or not the Dolphins "blew it" remains to be seen. Is Hasselbeck
> worth a 1st and a 3rd? We'll see. I would have hesitated to trade a 1st
> for him. He could be another Mark Brunnel, or he could be another perennial
> back-up who never makes the grade starting in the NFL. We'll see.
Jensen also says that Seattle was making a play for Brunnel. If true, then
Holmgren has his doubts about Hasselback as a starter as well and we didn't miss
out on anything at all.
Tutor
rounder and swapped 1st rounders with the Seahawks. Basically, they moved up
seven spots from #17 to #10 in the first round. It seems like Green Bay took
less for Hasselbeck than the Dolphins were offering, at least according to the
Miami Herald article.
Doc
see what the draft brings.
Doc
"Terry Gowan" <tgo...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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rt
I think that #10 spot is what iced it for GB, plus, the relationship between
Wolf and Holmgren. No way did they end up poorer than had they gone with
Miami's offer.
Your posts are welcome here anytime, but would it be too much to ask if you
could bring Boob Jensen back to Rt. 22 in NJ and the hell out of here. The
guy is making me miss Mike Wilk.
We're beating you guys this year (no, I did not forget I said that last
year)...
RT
"Tutor" <tu...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3AC65BC4...@nac.net...
BobJensen08863
>From: Tim Lines lin...@iname.com
>Date: 3/31/01 4:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3AC648AF...@iname.com>
Never said it. First a lie, then a slam on Holmgren for a comment that was
never made by some one else. On the other hand it is an upgrade over the usual
'can't respond so I'll hurl a juvenile insult' mindset of most Miami fans.
Bob Jensen
BobJensen08863
>From: Tim Lines lin...@iname.com
>Date: 3/31/01 4:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3AC648AF...@iname.com>
>
>
>
>
>> Whether or not the Dolphins "blew it" remains to be seen. Is Hasselbeck
>> worth a 1st and a 3rd? We'll see. I would have hesitated to trade a 1st
>> for him. He could be another Mark Brunnel, or he could be another
>perennial
>> back-up who never makes the grade starting in the NFL. We'll see.
Look at the bright side, the last time DunceDave gave up a first rounder for a
QB it turned out to be Rick Mirer.
Bob Jensen
LdoubleE80
>Date: 3/31/01 11:19 PM Eastern
>Look at the bright side, the last time DunceDave gave up a first rounder for
>a
>QB it turned out to be Rick Mirer.
>Bob Jensen
DunceDave 12-6
DogAssJets 9-7
Ouch.
Terry Gowan
<20010331231924...@ng-cv1.aol.com>...
What evidence do you have that Matt Hasselbeck is a great QB? You've
already proclaimed Wanny as a failure by not signing him. This would
indicate that Hasselbeck is already a success at QB. What's the basis for
your story?
Terry Gowan
Terry Gowan
>Green Bay did not get a first and a third for Hasselbeck. They got a third
>rounder and swapped 1st rounders with the Seahawks. Basically, they moved
up
>seven spots from #17 to #10 in the first round. It seems like Green Bay
took
>less for Hasselbeck than the Dolphins were offering, at least according to
the
>Miami Herald article.
This being the case (I'll take your word for it, I haven't read any articles
on the trade), there's no way Dave was going to compete with a #10 pick.
#26 is all Dave had to offer. Tell me, as an objective fan, do you think
the Dolphins "blew it" in regards to Matt Hasselbeck?
Terry Gowan
Tutor
Trying to figure that out. Nobody knows how Hasselbeck will play. It shouldn't
surprise anyone that teams in need of a QB would trade the #26 for him. Not
because of anything he has done, but just from the hype. He is as good a
prospect as any right now. If Miami wanted him and the Packers were ready to
take #26 and swap 2d round picks, then why didn't it happen? Did Wanndtstat
get cold feet? Or did he just wait too long <doh!> until Seattle dangled the
#10 in front of the Packers? From the Packers point of view, is moving up seven
spots to #10 better than gaining an additional first round pick? Given the
choice, which would you choose...having two first round picks at #17 and 26 or
one at #10? I'm curious what player Green Bay is drooling over at #10. In the
end, if Hasselbeck succeeds, then it will be easy to say the Dolphins blew it.
If Hasselbeck doesn't cut it then Wanny will have been a genius.
DC
Lennybrsco
already proclaimed Wanny as a failure by not signing him. This would
indicate that Hasselbeck is already a success at QB. What's the basis for
your story?
Terry Gowan >>
The basis for the jackass' story is the same M.O. he has always employed.
Boob latches on to a story he perceives to be negative about the Dolphins, show
no ability to critically analyze it and repeats the same dull, tired mantra
over and over like a lab monkey hoping we will concede.
eÜphemism
I guess I don't "get it."
The Dolphins evidently made a play for Hasselbeck. To read the reports, they thought
they had a deal until GB announced otherwise. You can't "blow it" if the deal goes
south in that fashion. Idiots like Rubenstein and Jensen make such comments - it's
the anal need they have to say anything negative.
Hasselbeck is and was worth pursuing - that's about all anybody can say for sure.
The price tag changed and Miami didn't get him... criticizing Wannstedt under these
circumstances is just like those who contended that JJ "passed" on Randy Moss. Screw
the facts... let's just toss garbage.
Ü
Tutor
eÜphemism wrote:
IMO, the price tag on Hasselbeck went down, not up, when the Packers turned to Seattle.
Had they done the deal with Miami, Green Bay would have had an additional 1st round pick
to their own #17. Instead, they moved up seven spots in the first round to #10 and got
a third rounder. From my understanding of the Herald article, it was Miami that kept
changing the price tag (in demanding more swaps of later round picks), not Green Bay who
did so. If the Herald article is correct, then two possibilities exist. Either Wanny
cooled to the idea of obtaining Hasselbeck or he shot himself in the foot by demanding
more and more later round swaps, to the point where another team got Hasselbeck for less
than what Miami was offering.
Anyway, my hunch is that Hasselbeck will be a decent NFL starter. Granted, I only
watched him play in pre-season, but he was accurate, quick and poised against the Jets
1st string defense in 2000 and also against the Jets in 1999. I'd rather the Jets line
up against Fiedler or Lucas any day.
DC
Tutor
Lennybrsco wrote:
Forgetting your obsession with Jensen for the moment, there is part of the Herald
report that I find very interesting. The excerpt below strongly implies that the
Dolphins wanted and could have had Hasselbeck on their own terms but just flat out
waited too long to communicate with the Pack and consummate the deal. In that
time, the appeal of the #10 pick lured the Packers away from trading with Miami. I
think this is where the perception of "blowing it" arises. If the report below is
accurate (granted, a fairly big "if"), then Miami stumbled over its own feet in its
efforts to upgrade the QB position. No worry....you've got Ray Lucas <g>.
Excerpt:
``We had a deal and then they had to add something,'' Green Bay general manager
Ron Wolf told The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. ``If they had not added
something, then we would have done the deal with Miami.''
Although Wannstedt was on board with giving up Miami'sfirst-rounder and
exchanging second rounders, Spielman tried to make things even sweeter for the
Dolphins by extracting a switch of third-rounders as well.
Spielman told Wolf he needed to make that exchange -- again, getting a higher
pick in the third round -- to convince Wannstedt the deal should be
consummated.
According to the Miami source, the Packers ultimately agreed to that deal. But
Wolf says there was no agreement because Spielman had to get approval for the
new terms from Wannstedt.
``There was no deal,'' Wolf told The Journal Sentinel. ``They had to get it
approved, but by the time they came back, we had another player.''
Spielman called Wannstedt to get final approval for the trade but the two did
not immediately connect, according to the Miami source. In the interim,
Spielman reached an agreement in principle with agent Van McElroy on what was
supposed to be Hasselbeck's Miami contract. McElroy was given permission by the
Packers to discuss a new contract with other teams.
DC
Lennybrsco
I'm in the camp that says giving up a 1st rounder for a preseason wonder is too
much.
Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make.
Tutor
Lennybrsco wrote:
I don't disagree with you about that. My curiosity is about whether Wannstadt
adopted this same philosophy at the last minute in negotiations for Hasselbeck or
whether he tripped over his own feet in failing to consumate a transaction that
both he and Green bay were ready and willing to do.
DC
eÜphemism
Taking the Herald report as gospel, it sounds as though Miami's front office probably
blew the chance to get Hasselbeck. I expect that Matt will a good acquisition for
Seattle - I am sorry to hear that Miami may have muffed the deal by falling asleep at
the switch. It happens.
Ü
Rich R.
Miami.
Jensen, please analyze Wannstedt's 2000 draft. I ask that because I know you wont
do it because you are GUTLESS.
Lennybrsco
Wannstadt
adopted this same philosophy at the last minute in negotiations for Hasselbeck
or
whether he tripped over his own feet in failing to consumate a transaction that
both he and Green bay were ready and willing to do.
DC
>>
Gotta hope the former was true. The word out of Seattle after their mini-camp
was that Holmgren thinks Hasselback has more work to do than he originally
thought in terms of being technically sound enough to run his offense.
Giving away first rounders for unproven players happens all the time. I think
it is a bad practice.
Dogbert
one name. scott mitchell. ask detroit how that worked out.
Lennybrsco
in
Miami.
Jensen, please analyze Wannstedt's 2000 draft. I ask that because I know you
wont
do it because you are GUTLESS.
>>
Rich,
I don't know how this boob even functions. To paraphrase Dean Wormer, "fat,
drunk and stupid is no way to go through life"
Gutless is an accurate description of him as well.
Tutor
Lennybrsco wrote:
On the other hand, you would have to label any #26 draft pick also as an unproven
player. It should be interesting to compare the performance of Hasselbeck against
whoever #26 turns out to be over the next several years.
LdoubleE80
>Date: 4/1/01 7:10 PM Eastern Daylight
>Rich,
>
>I don't know how this boob even functions. To paraphrase Dean Wormer, "fat,
>drunk and stupid is no way to go through life"
>
>Gutless is an accurate description of him as well.
Did you ever see Billy Madison? Jensen is in it--he's the principal. <g>
BobJensen08863
>Date: 4/1/01 5:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3AC79794...@ix.netcom.com>
>
>There goes JACKASS again forgetting that Wannstedt has a year under his belt
>in
>Miami.
>Jensen, please analyze Wannstedt's 2000 draft. I ask that because I know you
>wont
>do it because you are GUTLESS.
A Chicago Bear type draft. Why draft a RT as your first pick, quality RT's can
be gotten in the 7th round. THe little I saw of Wade was his ompersonation of a
turnstyle when going up agaisnt Ellis. What did any of the other picks do
except show the proverbial 'potential'. The Jets by comparison wound up with
three starters and future franchise QB.
Bob Jensen
Lennybrsco
Exactly, this was your first clue to stop right here. 'Course you are never
quite smart enough to do what you should.
rt
of others' ideas. Wade was a dynamite pick and has exceeded the Dolphins
high expectations. I suppose Ogden and Boselli-types can be found in the
7th. round, right?
Just keep reading and bastardizing draft previews, Boob. At least it
insulates your lack of football knowledge and capability for independent
thought.
Oh yeah, I forgot"Future franchise" QB? Of what, the XFL?? And you are so
certain that little Chad will be great because?? Because the Jets couldn't
keep Lucas? Because of his cute blond curly hair?? Because Marshall
University is known as "Quarterback U"???
RT
"BobJensen08863" <bobjens...@aol.com> wrote in message
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LdoubleE80
>Date: 4/2/01 7:53 AM Eastern Dayligh
>Oh yeah, I forgot"Future franchise" QB? Of what, the XFL?? And you are so
>certain that little Chad will be great because?? Because the Jets couldn't
>keep Lucas? Because of his cute blond curly hair?? Because Marshall
>University is known as "Quarterback U"???
Robert, you know as well as I that the Jets have a storied history of drafting
top-notch players who always play up to their potential as soon as they strap
on the Green and White <g>.
LdoubleE80
>Date: 4/2/01 6:46 AM Eastern Daylight
>THe little I saw of Wade
...which qualifies you to make absolutely no analyzation. Besides, the only
ideas you come up with are ones that you read. You aren't capable of an
original thought since you know not what to base it on.
rt
"LdoubleE80" <ldoub...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dooooh! <slaps forehead Homer Simpson style>
I forgot, you're right.
(future franchise QB- what a moron!!)
rt
Rich R.
again.
Here is a brief rundown GUTLESS:
Todd Wade proved to be a fine run blocker, just look at the type of year that Lama
Smith had.
Good move by Wannstedt in drafting Wade.
2nd pick: Ben Kelly: Got injured in pre-season.
3rd pick: Deon Dyer: Again showed to be a fine fullback with enormous blocking
ability.
Had a very good year blocking for Lamar Smith. Again a good find for Wannstedt.
I will stop here because I am sure that is all the information you can handle at
this time.
Now being and living here in New York how can you say the jets did fine in their
picks?
From what I saw:
1: Ellis was good
2: Abraham was good when HEALTHY.
3: Becht did absolutely nothing.
4: Pennington did nothing. You dont know if another Browning Nagle is waiting on
the sidelines.
Good draft by Wannsted. You know it since you have nothing to talk about with your
two-bit
organization that does nothing year after endless year.
What you need JACKASS is thorozine big-gulp.
BobJensen08863
>From: "rt" TurnerrePl...@earthlink.net
>Date: 4/2/01 7:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <WKZx6.6028$rk4.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
>Boob, for goodness' sake please don't drift from your "cutting and pasting"
>of others' ideas. Wade was a dynamite pick and has exceeded the Dolphins
>high expectations. I suppose Ogden and Boselli-types can be found in the
>7th. round, right?
>
round. Come to think of it, the Jets starting RT Ryan Young was a 7th round
draft pick of two years ago. Want an unbaised opinion, get the Sporting News
Draft issue. They rate Young as a player who can play for any team, while Wade
does not receive that highest rating. To sum up, an unbiased observer rates the
Jets RT (7th round pick) much hugher than the Dolphins RT (2nd round pick)..
Thanks for taking the Ryan Young bait, you guys never fail to bite.
Bob Jensen
LdoubleE80
>Date: 4/2/01 5:45 PM Eastern Daylight
>Who says Wade was a dynamite pick? And yes you can get a quality RT in the
>7th
>round. Come to think of it, the Jets starting RT Ryan Young was a 7th round
>draft pick of two years ago. Want an unbaised opinion, get the Sporting News
>Draft issue. They rate Young as a player who can play for any team, while
>Wade
>does not receive that highest rating. To sum up, an unbiased observer rates
>the
>Jets RT (7th round pick) much hugher than the Dolphins RT (2nd round pick)..
>Thanks for taking the Ryan Young bait, you guys never fail to bite.
>Bob Jensen
And Miami STILL won 3 more games than the Jets. Absolutely amazing. What
coaching by Wannstedt!
BobJensen08863
>Message-id: <3AC8E816...@ix.netcom.com>
>
>Again , little you know. Maybe watch Dolphin football before you open your
>trap
>again.
>Here is a brief rundown GUTLESS:
>Todd Wade proved to be a fine run blocker, just look at the type of year that
>Lama
>Smith had.
>Good move by Wannstedt in drafting Wade.
Says who? You. The Jets RT Randy Young was rated higher than Wade by the
Sporting News Draft Guide, a player who could play for any team, according to
an independant unbiased observer. And a player who. like I said was a quality
7th round draft pick
>2nd pick: Ben Kelly: Got injured in pre-season.
>3rd pick: Deon Dyer: Again showed to be a fine fullback with enormous
>blocking
>ability.
>Had a very good year blocking for Lamar Smith. Again a good find for
>Wannstedt.
Not a single starter in that group, although they all possess Potential, like
any other drafted player not good enough to start. I suppose when you waste
number one picks on the likes of Curtis Enis, Rashad Salaam and Rick Mirer,
taking a 2nd round journeyman RT has to look good.
Bob Jensen.
Enter Your Name Here
At #26, the players are proven role players, first round sleepers, or
overlooked wonders.
eÜphemism
> Not a single starter in that group, although they all possess Potential, like
> any other drafted player not good enough to start. I suppose when you waste
> number one picks on the likes of Curtis Enis, Rashad Salaam and Rick Mirer,
> taking a 2nd round journeyman RT has to look good.
> Bob Jensen.
I suppose that worrying about issues involving the Chicago Bears makes you feel
better as a fan of the team that paid in blood for hiring a short-time loser like
Parcells and his evil twin Bellichick. Mirer also passed through the bowels of
Jetsville along with three head coaches and all the poorly chewed hopes of the
Fireman Ed crowd. Your team shits on you year after year, yet here you are acting
like royalty. What I see is a guy criticizing a breed he can't afford while his
own mutt is busy humping his leg.
Ü
Enter Your Name Here
that fact, Wade was a dynamite pick. The OL was ailing, and it improved so
drastically this season, it makes me wonder how bad James Brown really was.
Our running game improved greatly, and Wade was Rookie of the Week early in
the season. Hell, the only thing preventing him from winning rookie of the
year was the fact he was a lineman.
Another thing, why would the Sporting News Draft Issue be rating a player
who was drafted 2-3 years ago. Are you using an old issue, where Wade's name
wouldn't show because, oh I don't know, he wasn't eligible for the draft? Or
are you making the story up?
Thirdly, it's about time that you figured that your Wanny bashing is useless
because you are overlooking one of the key components of life: improvement.
Wanny improved greatly in his drafting ability. That's why our OL rocked,
with the addition of Wade, our Special Teams rocked with the addition of Ben
Kelly (for the while he was un-injured), and our backfield got stronger with
the addition of Dyer. Not to mention bringing in impact players like Lamar
Smith. To put it simply, Wanny looked over on some of the points you
mentioned, and he realized change was needed and so he improved his staff,
became more conservative and less hasty in drafting and FA signing, and led
a winning team. Take the example and apply it. Go over your own posts and
what people have said, and then try to improve the quality of them. Because
the only reason you are surviving here is because people are bored, and
enjoy bashing you. If you persist to the regular season, people will just
kill-file you.
rt
"BobJensen08863" <bobjens...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dogbert
wrote:
if you really want to draft poorly, make sure contact the experts in
green and white. ken obrien, blair thomas... oh hell that list is
far too long for me to post here.
i got a better one for you boob. let's check the drafting position in
the first round over the last few years.
jests phins
2000 12, 13, 18, 27 53 #
1999 57 # 43 #
1998* 56 # 29
1997 8, 31 15
1996 1 20
1995 9, 16 25
1994 12 20
1993 4 26
1992* 15 12
1991* 34 # 23
1990 2 9
1989* 14 9, 25
1988 8 16
1987* 21 16
1986 22 52 #
1985 10 27
1984 10, 15 14
1983 24 27
1982 23 24
1981 3 13
1980 2 21
1979 14 24
1978 4 51#
1977 4 13
1976 6 17
* years phins picked ahead of jests
# year with no first round pick.
out of 25 years the phins have only picked ahead of the jests 5 times.
the phins have only gotten more than one pick one time. the jests
have had four, including 4 picks in the first round last year. the
average picking position for the jests is 13.75. the average picking
position for the phins is 24. so boob, who has wasted more talent of
the two teams? with the four picks the jests got last year they still
couldn't finish ahead of the phins or even make the playoffs.
provided to you courtesy of http://www.nfldraft.net/index.asp and
microsoft excel spreadsheet.
MoonScorch
>>3rd pick: Deon Dyer: Again showed to be a fine fullback with enormous
>>blocking
>>ability.
>>Had a very good year blocking for Lamar Smith. Again a good find for
>>Wannstedt.
>
>Not a single starter in that group, although they all possess Potential, like
>any other drafted player not good enough to start. I suppose when you waste
>number one picks on the likes of Curtis Enis, Rashad Salaam and Rick Mirer,
>taking a 2nd round journeyman RT has to look good.
>Bob Jensen.
Well because the Jets have never had the luxury of drafting for depth rather
than blatant need in their drafting history, I can understand how you don't
understand these draft picks. Ben Kelly was drafted to return kicks and become
a nickel DB; he wasn't brought in to challenge for a starting spot. Dyer was
drafted as a blocking fullback. Konrad is a pass catcher.
Now run along, Corky. Your bus is leaving.
Mike
LdoubleE80
>Date: 4/2/01 9:06 PM Eastern Daylight
>Not a single starter in that group, although they all possess Potential, like
>any other drafted player not good enough to start.
Like Chad Pennington. Too easy...ladeeedahhh..Start making this more difficult
or I'm going to take away your senior citizen's discount card. Sheesh.
BobJensen08863
>From: "Enter Your Name Here" abki...@hotmail.com
>Date: 4/2/01 9:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9aba3l$j6t$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>
>
>Another thing, why would the Sporting News Draft Issue be rating a player
>who was drafted 2-3 years ago. Are you using an old issue, where Wade's name
>wouldn't show because, oh I don't know, he wasn't eligible for the draft? Or
>are you making the story up?
The Sporting News Draft issue rates all starters and backups on each team as
'can play with any team', 'solid starter' or 'fringe player' based on last
year's final depth chart. It's funny that you don't like the truth therefore I
must have made up the story. It's also this years issue published last month.
In fact, TSN rates the Jets having one of the best lines in the NFL with four
players Fabini, Mawae, Thomas and Young with the highest rating and the
Dolphins got one of the lowest ratings with only one player given the highest
rating. There isn't a single Dolphin who would start on the Jets OL.
Bob Jensen
Dogbert
wrote:
and with all those so called great players what was the jests record
last year? funny how the jests have the greatest team on paper in
your eyes but fail to prove it where it really counts. most likely
parallels your sex life. what little of it i am sure you have.
LdoubleE80
>Date: 4/3/01 6:33 AM Eastern Daylight
>The Sporting News Draft issue rates all starters and backups on each team as
>'can play with any team', 'solid starter' or 'fringe player' based on last
>year's final depth chart. It's funny that you don't like the truth therefore
>I
>must have made up the story. It's also this years issue published last month.
>In fact, TSN rates the Jets having one of the best lines in the NFL with four
>players Fabini, Mawae, Thomas and Young with the highest rating and the
>Dolphins got one of the lowest ratings with only one player given the highest
>rating. There isn't a single Dolphin who would start on the Jets OL.
>Bob Jensen
So David Loverne is better than Mark Dixon. Thanks for showing your ignorance
once more. It's funny that when any "source" gives the Jets a favorable rating
it is "independent." When a source rips the Jets for the sad-sack franchise
that they are, the source is automatically discredited as being a "Jet-hater."
Jensen is so predictable it's pathetic.
I'll post this to this NG like I did in the Jets since Jensen, in his normal
douchebag-like manner, avoided it because it used a foreign concept to him
"logic." So for your enjoyment...
Rushing Yards in 2000
G GS Att Yds Ypc YPG
Curtis Martin 16 16 316 1204 3.8 75.25
Lamar Smith 15 15 309 1139 3.7 75.93
The numbers don't lie. If Lamar Smith gained the same number of yards behind an
OBVIOUSLY inferior line (so sayeth the independent Sporting News) then he must
be a superior running back to Curtis Martin...and to think Lamar Smith costs
about 1 million compared to Curtis Martin's 8 million. What cap management--
What...a...coup!
BobJensen08863
>Date: 4/3/01 3:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010403154336...@ng-ca1.aol.com>
>
>>From: bobjens...@aol.com (BobJensen08863)
>>Date: 4/3/01 6:33 AM Eastern Daylight
>
>>The Sporting News Draft issue rates all starters and backups on each team as
>>'can play with any team', 'solid starter' or 'fringe player' based on last
>>year's final depth chart. It's funny that you don't like the truth therefore
>>I
>>must have made up the story. It's also this years issue published last
>month.
>>In fact, TSN rates the Jets having one of the best lines in the NFL with
>four
>>players Fabini, Mawae, Thomas and Young with the highest rating and the
>>Dolphins got one of the lowest ratings with only one player given the
>highest
>>rating. There isn't a single Dolphin who would start on the Jets OL.
>>Bob Jensen
>
>So David Loverne is better than Mark Dixon.
Dave Loverne isn't a starter he's a backup LG. The Jets starting RG is Kerry
Jenkins who TSN rated as a solid player as did they Mark Dixon. You should at
least get facts straight before commenting on them.
Bob Jensen
LdoubleE80
>Date: 4/3/01 6:03 PM Eastern Daylight
>Dave Loverne isn't a starter he's a backup LG. The Jets starting RG is Kerry
>Jenkins who TSN rated as a solid player as did they Mark Dixon. You should at
>least get facts straight before commenting on them.
>Bob Jensen
Please excuse. Once again, if you think Kerry Jenkins is better than Mark
Dixon, please think so. It doesn't matter that Mark Dixon was given Pro Bowl
support from many league officials last year, while Kerry Jenkins is under
constant criticism from Jet fans...and I noticed you ignored the REST of my
post since you can't comprehend real numbers and sound logic. Thanks for living
up to your "cowardly" label.
Rich R.
what gives you the right to comment on him if you only saw him on an infrequent
basis.
Jackass, did it ever occur to you that Miami picked Wade early because he was
projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round and it was a need for Miami to pick up an
offensive lineman. No it didn't occur to you.
For a bunch of guys who didn't start, they sure did a damn good job for Miami.
There you go again acting like a wannabee troll again failing to give us your
thoughts on Miami's 2000 draft. I knew you couldn't do it GUTLESSJENSON,but you
keep on giving us Dave Wannstedt's years in Chicago because like you they mean
nothing to us DOLPHIN fans.
buster55
puts so much stock in it. After all, it did rate John Abraham as a "fringe
player".
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