Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat Devlin for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well be the steal of the draft.
Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by whether or not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both prove to be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft position and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have High hopes for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never becomes more than Henne II.
That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly handled. If he does, this draft could be epic.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason shades, etc.
Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of what this team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard with the new look and finally steal one.
(This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and while the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to play in the midday sun.)
I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded) forecast has the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE and maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the rear.
Valravn
As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat Devlin
> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well be the
> steal of the draft.
> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by whether or
> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both prove to
> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft position
> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have High hopes
> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never becomes
> more than Henne II.
> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly handled. If
> he does, this draft could be epic.
> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason shades, etc.
> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
> with the new look and finally steal one.
> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and while
> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to play in
> the midday sun.)
> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded) forecast has
> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE and
> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the rear.
> Valravn
> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example. Blazing speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas - with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the A-gap. By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could get to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could be on of the better ones in the NFL.
Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat Devlin
> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well be the
> steal of the draft.
> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by whether or
> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both prove to
> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft position
> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have High hopes
> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never becomes
> more than Henne II.
> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly handled. If
> he does, this draft could be epic.
> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason shades, etc.
> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
> with the new look and finally steal one.
> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and while
> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to play in
> the midday sun.)
> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded) forecast has
> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE and
> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the rear.
> Valravn
> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example. Blazing
speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the A-gap.
By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could get
to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could be on
of the better ones in the NFL.
Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger things from Clay
(unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much that his touches are limited).
For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game yet. Maybe one day, maybe not.
>> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat Devlin
>> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
>> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
>> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well be the
>> steal of the draft.
>> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by whether or
>> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
>> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both prove to
>> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft position
>> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have High hopes
>> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
>> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never becomes
>> more than Henne II.
>> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
>> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly handled. If
>> he does, this draft could be epic.
>> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason shades,
>> etc.
>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and while
>> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to play in
>> the midday sun.)
>> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded) forecast has
>> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE and
>> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the rear.
>> Valravn
>> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
> I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
> interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example. Blazing
> speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
> with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the A-gap.
> By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
> sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could get
> to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
> safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
> thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could be on
> of the better ones in the NFL.
> Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
> both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
> doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
> with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
> Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
> things from Clay
> (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
> that his touches are limited).
> For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game yet.
> Maybe one day, maybe not.
That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage won't be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's experience, isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.
> >> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat Devlin
> >> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
> >> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
> >> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well be the
> >> steal of the draft.
> >> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by whether or
> >> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
> >> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both prove to
> >> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft position
> >> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have High hopes
> >> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
> >> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never becomes
> >> more than Henne II.
> >> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
> >> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly handled. If
> >> he does, this draft could be epic.
> >> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason shades,
> >> etc.
> >> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
> >> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
> >> with the new look and finally steal one.
> >> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and while
> >> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to play in
> >> the midday sun.)
> >> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded) forecast has
> >> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE and
> >> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the rear.
> >> Valravn
> >> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
> > I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
> > interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example. Blazing
> > speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
> > with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the A-gap.
> > By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
> > sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could get
> > to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
> > safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
> > thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could be on
> > of the better ones in the NFL.
> > Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
> > both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
> > doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
> > with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
> > Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
> > things from Clay
> > (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
> > that his touches are limited).
> > For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game yet.
> > Maybe one day, maybe not.
> That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage won't
> be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's experience,
> isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami
> gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
I will try to hold off on revealing just how overly optimistic I am
until we see some or all of these prospects in at least the
meaningless exhibition games of August. I can easily imagine all
sorts of things about Tannehill, Miller and The others. I was intigued
by the Miller pick as soon as I read about him the day he was
drafted. Terrific prospect.
I doubt anyone imagines the sort of weirdness that this season may
bring: It's not like there aren't huge surprises each and every year.
Once things happen, then they seem logical. Before that they are
nonsense. The sort of nonsense I am hoping for is way over due.
With my head in the clouds, I will hope that the Patriots finally hit
the wall, that Rex Ryan and that whole Jets Circus blows up like a
fireworks factory. I will hope that Philbin turns out to be just the
sort of level-headed and unassuming guy that the Dolphins clearly need
and that somehow Ireland has pulled out a minor miracle with his 2012
choices.
It has simply been way too long since the Dolphins really mattered.
>>>> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat Devlin
>>>> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
>>>> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
>>>> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well be the
>>>> steal of the draft.
>>>> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by whether or
>>>> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
>>>> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both prove to
>>>> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft position
>>>> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have High hopes
>>>> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
>>>> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never becomes
>>>> more than Henne II.
>>>> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
>>>> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly handled. If
>>>> he does, this draft could be epic.
>>>> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason shades,
>>>> etc.
>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>>> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and while
>>>> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to play in
>>>> the midday sun.)
>>>> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded) forecast has
>>>> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE and
>>>> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the rear.
>>>> Valravn
>>>> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
>>> I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
>>> interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example. Blazing
>>> speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
>>> with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the A-gap.
>>> By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
>>> sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could get
>>> to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
>>> safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
>>> thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could be on
>>> of the better ones in the NFL.
>>> Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
>>> both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
>>> doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
>>> with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
>>> Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
>>> things from Clay
>>> (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
>>> that his touches are limited).
>>> For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game yet.
>>> Maybe one day, maybe not.
>> That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage won't
>> be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's experience,
>> isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami
>> gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> I will try to hold off on revealing just how overly optimistic I am
> until we see some or all of these prospects in at least the
> meaningless exhibition games of August. I can easily imagine all
> sorts of things about Tannehill, Miller and The others. I was intigued
> by the Miller pick as soon as I read about him the day he was
> drafted. Terrific prospect.
> I doubt anyone imagines the sort of weirdness that this season may
> bring: It's not like there aren't huge surprises each and every year.
> Once things happen, then they seem logical. Before that they are
> nonsense. The sort of nonsense I am hoping for is way over due.
> With my head in the clouds, I will hope that the Patriots finally hit
> the wall, that Rex Ryan and that whole Jets Circus blows up like a
> fireworks factory. I will hope that Philbin turns out to be just the
> sort of level-headed and unassuming guy that the Dolphins clearly need
> and that somehow Ireland has pulled out a minor miracle with his 2012
> choices.
> It has simply been way too long since the Dolphins really mattered.
For perspective, Valravn started out with his opinion of some rookies he thinks 'should' (he was careful not to be blindly optimistic) do well. I think most of us like the same people he does, although I know little about Egnew. My response was to name a few already in Miami who 'should' do well.
I think both of us know reality rarely matches hope so I expect tweaks to the list by end of August. Nonetheless, Miller and Martin, IMO, garner the most realistic optimism of the rookies and I still expect good years from Wilson, Clay, and Thomas. Not 'imagination.' There is some evidence to justify the optimism. OTOH, if you or someone else starts a thread on players who may disappoint (e.g., Clemons), I'll add my opinion to that as well.
Not mentioned, but in my mind, three obvious changes I think could be important in 2012. 1) Sparano/Henning are gone. That, by itself, should add 7-10 points to each game. I am almost giddy with anticipation of quick slants, check-offs, and an up-tempo O like a REAL NFL O has. Does that guarantee high-scoring? Nope, but their absence HAS to help. 2) Colombo is gone - nuf said. 3) A faster start by the D. I have no exhibit A to justify this but I expect a better pass rush in the 1st few games than the nonexistent type we saw last year, and I doubt Dansby will start the season in the condition we saw early last year.
I agree, the world looks different in pads and 11-on-11. I also expect some bumps the 1st few games as everyone learns a new system. But there is no PW this year. No Wilford. No fear of the 3-point fist-pump. And, I hope, no addiction to dropping TD passes. We will see when the 'real' football starts. I expect, not surprisingly, some names quickly removed from the roster and some new faces over the summer. But for now, I see little that looks worse than last year.
>>>>> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat Devlin
>>>>> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
>>>>> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
>>>>> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well be the
>>>>> steal of the draft.
>>>>> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by whether or
>>>>> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
>>>>> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both prove to
>>>>> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft position
>>>>> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have High hopes
>>>>> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
>>>>> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never becomes
>>>>> more than Henne II.
>>>>> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
>>>>> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly handled. If
>>>>> he does, this draft could be epic.
>>>>> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason shades,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
>>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
>>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>>>> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and while
>>>>> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to play in
>>>>> the midday sun.)
>>>>> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded) forecast has
>>>>> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE and
>>>>> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the rear.
>>>>> Valravn
>>>>> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
>>>> I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
>>>> interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example. Blazing
>>>> speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
>>>> with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the A-gap.
>>>> By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
>>>> sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could get
>>>> to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
>>>> safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
>>>> thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could be on
>>>> of the better ones in the NFL.
>>>> Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
>>>> both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
>>>> doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
>>>> with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
>>>> Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
>>>> things from Clay
>>>> (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
>>>> that his touches are limited).
>>>> For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game yet.
>>>> Maybe one day, maybe not.
>>> That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage won't
>>> be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's experience,
>>> isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami
>>> gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> I will try to hold off on revealing just how overly optimistic I am
>> until we see some or all of these prospects in at least the
>> meaningless exhibition games of August. I can easily imagine all
>> sorts of things about Tannehill, Miller and The others. I was intigued
>> by the Miller pick as soon as I read about him the day he was
>> drafted. Terrific prospect.
>> I doubt anyone imagines the sort of weirdness that this season may
>> bring: It's not like there aren't huge surprises each and every year.
>> Once things happen, then they seem logical. Before that they are
>> nonsense. The sort of nonsense I am hoping for is way over due.
>> With my head in the clouds, I will hope that the Patriots finally hit
>> the wall, that Rex Ryan and that whole Jets Circus blows up like a
>> fireworks factory. I will hope that Philbin turns out to be just the
>> sort of level-headed and unassuming guy that the Dolphins clearly need
>> and that somehow Ireland has pulled out a minor miracle with his 2012
>> choices.
>> It has simply been way too long since the Dolphins really mattered.
>For perspective, Valravn started out with his opinion of some rookies he >thinks 'should' (he was careful not to be blindly optimistic) do well. >I think most of us like the same people he does, although I know little >about Egnew. My response was to name a few already in Miami who >'should' do well.
>I think both of us know reality rarely matches hope so I expect tweaks >to the list by end of August. Nonetheless, Miller and Martin, IMO, >garner the most realistic optimism of the rookies and I still expect >good years from Wilson, Clay, and Thomas. Not 'imagination.' There is >some evidence to justify the optimism. OTOH, if you or someone else >starts a thread on players who may disappoint (e.g., Clemons), I'll add >my opinion to that as well.
>Not mentioned, but in my mind, three obvious changes I think could be >important in 2012. 1) Sparano/Henning are gone. That, by itself, >should add 7-10 points to each game. I am almost giddy with >anticipation of quick slants, check-offs, and an up-tempo O like a REAL >NFL O has. Does that guarantee high-scoring? Nope, but their absence >HAS to help. 2) Colombo is gone - nuf said. 3) A faster start by the >D. I have no exhibit A to justify this but I expect a better pass rush >in the 1st few games than the nonexistent type we saw last year, and I >doubt Dansby will start the season in the condition we saw early last >year.
>I agree, the world looks different in pads and 11-on-11. I also expect >some bumps the 1st few games as everyone learns a new system. But there >is no PW this year. No Wilford. No fear of the 3-point fist-pump. >And, I hope, no addiction to dropping TD passes. We will see when the >'real' football starts. I expect, not surprisingly, some names quickly >removed from the roster and some new faces over the summer. But for >now, I see little that looks worse than last year.
>>>>>> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat Devlin
>>>>>> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
>>>>>> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
>>>>>> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well be the
>>>>>> steal of the draft.
>>>>>> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by whether or
>>>>>> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
>>>>>> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both prove to
>>>>>> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft position
>>>>>> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have High hopes
>>>>>> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
>>>>>> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never becomes
>>>>>> more than Henne II.
>>>>>> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
>>>>>> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly handled. If
>>>>>> he does, this draft could be epic.
>>>>>> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason shades,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
>>>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
>>>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>>>>> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and while
>>>>>> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to play in
>>>>>> the midday sun.)
>>>>>> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded) forecast has
>>>>>> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE and
>>>>>> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the rear.
>>>>>> Valravn
>>>>>> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
>>>>> I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
>>>>> interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example. Blazing
>>>>> speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
>>>>> with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the A-gap.
>>>>> By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
>>>>> sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could get
>>>>> to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
>>>>> safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
>>>>> thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could be on
>>>>> of the better ones in the NFL.
>>>>> Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
>>>>> both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
>>>>> doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
>>>>> with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
>>>>> Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
>>>>> things from Clay
>>>>> (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
>>>>> that his touches are limited).
>>>>> For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game yet.
>>>>> Maybe one day, maybe not.
>>>> That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage won't
>>>> be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's experience,
>>>> isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami
>>>> gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> I will try to hold off on revealing just how overly optimistic I am
>>> until we see some or all of these prospects in at least the
>>> meaningless exhibition games of August. I can easily imagine all
>>> sorts of things about Tannehill, Miller and The others. I was intigued
>>> by the Miller pick as soon as I read about him the day he was
>>> drafted. Terrific prospect.
>>> I doubt anyone imagines the sort of weirdness that this season may
>>> bring: It's not like there aren't huge surprises each and every year.
>>> Once things happen, then they seem logical. Before that they are
>>> nonsense. The sort of nonsense I am hoping for is way over due.
>>> With my head in the clouds, I will hope that the Patriots finally hit
>>> the wall, that Rex Ryan and that whole Jets Circus blows up like a
>>> fireworks factory. I will hope that Philbin turns out to be just the
>>> sort of level-headed and unassuming guy that the Dolphins clearly need
>>> and that somehow Ireland has pulled out a minor miracle with his 2012
>>> choices.
>>> It has simply been way too long since the Dolphins really mattered.
>> For perspective, Valravn started out with his opinion of some rookies he
>> thinks 'should' (he was careful not to be blindly optimistic) do well.
>> I think most of us like the same people he does, although I know little
>> about Egnew. My response was to name a few already in Miami who
>> 'should' do well.
>> I think both of us know reality rarely matches hope so I expect tweaks
>> to the list by end of August. Nonetheless, Miller and Martin, IMO,
>> garner the most realistic optimism of the rookies and I still expect
>> good years from Wilson, Clay, and Thomas. Not 'imagination.' There is
>> some evidence to justify the optimism. OTOH, if you or someone else
>> starts a thread on players who may disappoint (e.g., Clemons), I'll add
>> my opinion to that as well.
>> Not mentioned, but in my mind, three obvious changes I think could be
>> important in 2012. 1) Sparano/Henning are gone. That, by itself,
>> should add 7-10 points to each game. I am almost giddy with
>> anticipation of quick slants, check-offs, and an up-tempo O like a REAL
>> NFL O has. Does that guarantee high-scoring? Nope, but their absence
>> HAS to help. 2) Colombo is gone - nuf said. 3) A faster start by the
>> D. I have no exhibit A to justify this but I expect a better pass rush
>> in the 1st few games than the nonexistent type we saw last year, and I
>> doubt Dansby will start the season in the condition we saw early last
>> year.
>> I agree, the world looks different in pads and 11-on-11. I also expect
>> some bumps the 1st few games as everyone learns a new system. But there
>> is no PW this year. No Wilford. No fear of the 3-point fist-pump.
>> And, I hope, no addiction to dropping TD passes. We will see when the
>> 'real' football starts. I expect, not surprisingly, some names quickly
>> removed from the roster and some new faces over the summer. But for
>> now, I see little that looks worse than last year.
> WR looks worse to me.
I can convince myself that isn't true. BM probably had more crucial drops/penalties than big plays. The key isn't the big ER, it is catches/YAC per team. How will that turn out? Dunno. Certainly, Miami needs 1-2 guys who can draw a double-team and I don't see that, so in that case, I agree.
>>>>>> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat Devlin
>>>>>> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
>>>>>> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
>>>>>> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well be >>>>>> the
>>>>>> steal of the draft.
>>>>>> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by whether >>>>>> or
>>>>>> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
>>>>>> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both prove >>>>>> to
>>>>>> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft >>>>>> position
>>>>>> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have High >>>>>> hopes
>>>>>> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
>>>>>> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never >>>>>> becomes
>>>>>> more than Henne II.
>>>>>> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
>>>>>> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly handled. >>>>>> If
>>>>>> he does, this draft could be epic.
>>>>>> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason shades,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of what >>>>>> this
>>>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston >>>>>> off-guard
>>>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>>>>> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and >>>>>> while
>>>>>> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to play in
>>>>>> the midday sun.)
>>>>>> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded) forecast >>>>>> has
>>>>>> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE and
>>>>>> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the >>>>>> rear.
>>>>>> Valravn
>>>>>> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
>>>>> I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
>>>>> interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example. Blazing
>>>>> speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
>>>>> with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the >>>>> A-gap.
>>>>> By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
>>>>> sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could get
>>>>> to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
>>>>> safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
>>>>> thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could be on
>>>>> of the better ones in the NFL.
>>>>> Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
>>>>> both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
>>>>> doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
>>>>> with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
>>>>> Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
>>>>> things from Clay
>>>>> (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
>>>>> that his touches are limited).
>>>>> For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game yet.
>>>>> Maybe one day, maybe not.
>>>> That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage won't
>>>> be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's >>>> experience,
>>>> isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami
>>>> gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> I will try to hold off on revealing just how overly optimistic I am
>>> until we see some or all of these prospects in at least the
>>> meaningless exhibition games of August. I can easily imagine all
>>> sorts of things about Tannehill, Miller and The others. I was intigued
>>> by the Miller pick as soon as I read about him the day he was
>>> drafted. Terrific prospect.
>>> I doubt anyone imagines the sort of weirdness that this season may
>>> bring: It's not like there aren't huge surprises each and every year.
>>> Once things happen, then they seem logical. Before that they are
>>> nonsense. The sort of nonsense I am hoping for is way over due.
>>> With my head in the clouds, I will hope that the Patriots finally hit
>>> the wall, that Rex Ryan and that whole Jets Circus blows up like a
>>> fireworks factory. I will hope that Philbin turns out to be just the
>>> sort of level-headed and unassuming guy that the Dolphins clearly need
>>> and that somehow Ireland has pulled out a minor miracle with his 2012
>>> choices.
>>> It has simply been way too long since the Dolphins really mattered.
>> For perspective, Valravn started out with his opinion of some rookies he
>> thinks 'should' (he was careful not to be blindly optimistic) do well.
>> I think most of us like the same people he does, although I know little
>> about Egnew. My response was to name a few already in Miami who
>> 'should' do well.
>> I think both of us know reality rarely matches hope so I expect tweaks
>> to the list by end of August. Nonetheless, Miller and Martin, IMO,
>> garner the most realistic optimism of the rookies and I still expect
>> good years from Wilson, Clay, and Thomas. Not 'imagination.' There is
>> some evidence to justify the optimism. OTOH, if you or someone else
>> starts a thread on players who may disappoint (e.g., Clemons), I'll add
>> my opinion to that as well.
>> Not mentioned, but in my mind, three obvious changes I think could be
>> important in 2012. 1) Sparano/Henning are gone. That, by itself,
>> should add 7-10 points to each game. I am almost giddy with
>> anticipation of quick slants, check-offs, and an up-tempo O like a REAL
>> NFL O has. Does that guarantee high-scoring? Nope, but their absence
>> HAS to help. 2) Colombo is gone - nuf said. 3) A faster start by the
>> D. I have no exhibit A to justify this but I expect a better pass rush
>> in the 1st few games than the nonexistent type we saw last year, and I
>> doubt Dansby will start the season in the condition we saw early last
>> year.
>> I agree, the world looks different in pads and 11-on-11. I also expect
>> some bumps the 1st few games as everyone learns a new system. But there
>> is no PW this year. No Wilford. No fear of the 3-point fist-pump.
>> And, I hope, no addiction to dropping TD passes. We will see when the
>> 'real' football starts. I expect, not surprisingly, some names quickly
>> removed from the roster and some new faces over the summer. But for
>> now, I see little that looks worse than last year.
> WR looks worse to me.
I can convince myself that isn't true. BM probably had more crucial
drops/penalties than big plays. The key isn't the big ER, it is
catches/YAC per team. How will that turn out? Dunno. Certainly, Miami
needs 1-2 guys who can draw a double-team and I don't see that, so in
that case, I agree.
I dont think you need the 1-2 guys to draw double teams at WR in the new offense. You need to create mismatches. If Hartline and Bess catch everything thrown their way, and Gates can stretch the coverage (whether thrown to or not) that leaves Bush, Clay, Miller, Fasano, and or Egnew covered by a LB. That should work. Well. Especially with the time to throw that this OL should provide now that Columbo is gone and Long is healthy.
>>>>>>> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat
>>>>>>> Devlin
>>>>>>> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
>>>>>>> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well
>>>>>>> be the
>>>>>>> steal of the draft.
>>>>>>> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by
>>>>>>> whether or
>>>>>>> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
>>>>>>> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both
>>>>>>> prove to
>>>>>>> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft
>>>>>>> position
>>>>>>> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have
>>>>>>> High hopes
>>>>>>> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
>>>>>>> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never
>>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>>> more than Henne II.
>>>>>>> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
>>>>>>> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly
>>>>>>> handled. If
>>>>>>> he does, this draft could be epic.
>>>>>>> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason
>>>>>>> shades,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of
>>>>>>> what this
>>>>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston
>>>>>>> off-guard
>>>>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>>>>>> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to
>>>>>>> play in
>>>>>>> the midday sun.)
>>>>>>> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded)
>>>>>>> forecast has
>>>>>>> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the
>>>>>>> rear.
>>>>>>> Valravn
>>>>>>> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
>>>>>> I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
>>>>>> interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example.
>>>>>> Blazing
>>>>>> speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
>>>>>> with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the
>>>>>> A-gap.
>>>>>> By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
>>>>>> sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
>>>>>> safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
>>>>>> thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could
>>>>>> be on
>>>>>> of the better ones in the NFL.
>>>>>> Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
>>>>>> both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
>>>>>> doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
>>>>>> with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
>>>>>> Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
>>>>>> things from Clay
>>>>>> (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
>>>>>> that his touches are limited).
>>>>>> For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game
>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>> Maybe one day, maybe not.
>>>>> That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage
>>>>> won't
>>>>> be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's
>>>>> experience,
>>>>> isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami
>>>>> gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> I will try to hold off on revealing just how overly optimistic I am
>>>> until we see some or all of these prospects in at least the
>>>> meaningless exhibition games of August. I can easily imagine all
>>>> sorts of things about Tannehill, Miller and The others. I was intigued
>>>> by the Miller pick as soon as I read about him the day he was
>>>> drafted. Terrific prospect.
>>>> I doubt anyone imagines the sort of weirdness that this season may
>>>> bring: It's not like there aren't huge surprises each and every year.
>>>> Once things happen, then they seem logical. Before that they are
>>>> nonsense. The sort of nonsense I am hoping for is way over due.
>>>> With my head in the clouds, I will hope that the Patriots finally hit
>>>> the wall, that Rex Ryan and that whole Jets Circus blows up like a
>>>> fireworks factory. I will hope that Philbin turns out to be just the
>>>> sort of level-headed and unassuming guy that the Dolphins clearly need
>>>> and that somehow Ireland has pulled out a minor miracle with his 2012
>>>> choices.
>>>> It has simply been way too long since the Dolphins really mattered.
>>> For perspective, Valravn started out with his opinion of some rookies he
>>> thinks 'should' (he was careful not to be blindly optimistic) do well.
>>> I think most of us like the same people he does, although I know little
>>> about Egnew. My response was to name a few already in Miami who
>>> 'should' do well.
>>> I think both of us know reality rarely matches hope so I expect tweaks
>>> to the list by end of August. Nonetheless, Miller and Martin, IMO,
>>> garner the most realistic optimism of the rookies and I still expect
>>> good years from Wilson, Clay, and Thomas. Not 'imagination.' There is
>>> some evidence to justify the optimism. OTOH, if you or someone else
>>> starts a thread on players who may disappoint (e.g., Clemons), I'll add
>>> my opinion to that as well.
>>> Not mentioned, but in my mind, three obvious changes I think could be
>>> important in 2012. 1) Sparano/Henning are gone. That, by itself,
>>> should add 7-10 points to each game. I am almost giddy with
>>> anticipation of quick slants, check-offs, and an up-tempo O like a REAL
>>> NFL O has. Does that guarantee high-scoring? Nope, but their absence
>>> HAS to help. 2) Colombo is gone - nuf said. 3) A faster start by the
>>> D. I have no exhibit A to justify this but I expect a better pass rush
>>> in the 1st few games than the nonexistent type we saw last year, and I
>>> doubt Dansby will start the season in the condition we saw early last
>>> year.
>>> I agree, the world looks different in pads and 11-on-11. I also expect
>>> some bumps the 1st few games as everyone learns a new system. But there
>>> is no PW this year. No Wilford. No fear of the 3-point fist-pump.
>>> And, I hope, no addiction to dropping TD passes. We will see when the
>>> 'real' football starts. I expect, not surprisingly, some names quickly
>>> removed from the roster and some new faces over the summer. But for
>>> now, I see little that looks worse than last year.
>> WR looks worse to me.
> I can convince myself that isn't true. BM probably had more crucial
> drops/penalties than big plays. The key isn't the big ER, it is
> catches/YAC per team. How will that turn out? Dunno. Certainly, Miami
> needs 1-2 guys who can draw a double-team and I don't see that, so in
> that case, I agree.
> I dont think you need the 1-2 guys to draw double teams at WR in the
> new offense. You need to create mismatches. If Hartline and Bess catch
> everything thrown their way, and Gates can stretch the coverage (whether
> thrown to or not) that leaves Bush, Clay, Miller, Fasano, and or Egnew
> covered by a LB. That should work. Well. Especially with the time to
> throw that this OL should provide now that Columbo is gone and Long is
> healthy.
> Valravn
> Valravn
It has been stated and restated by the various pundits and players that the new offense will not feature any receiver and the intent is to steer clear of some sort of pass count prima donna WR like Brandon or, more famously, Randy Moss.
My read on this is that this offense would have been wholly toxic to Brandon Marshall and he was definitely a guy who would have been thought of as a double team sort of threat.
I think that whatever is going on with Bush may be related to his possible dissatisfaction with the new scheme. He went on record talking about how he intended to be the pass rushing leader at the end of the year. The write ups I've seen say that just can't happen in the new offense. I would have expected he'd be thrilled with more pass catching and less power running touches - but who knows?
The party line seems to be that they have plenty of guys who should be able to fill out the receiving corp they believe will suit this scheme. To me, the bigger question is whether they have the QB to act as the director of all of this action. The doubts regarding Tannehill are well known. Moore was only adequate and Garrard was at best a streaky sort of player when he was last healthy.
Obviously quite a few things need to work out for this all to come together as Philbin hopes. I would call these issues about equal in most respects.
>>>>>>> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat
>>>>>>> Devlin
>>>>>>> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
>>>>>>> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well
>>>>>>> be the
>>>>>>> steal of the draft.
>>>>>>> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by
>>>>>>> whether or
>>>>>>> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
>>>>>>> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both
>>>>>>> prove to
>>>>>>> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft
>>>>>>> position
>>>>>>> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have
>>>>>>> High hopes
>>>>>>> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
>>>>>>> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never
>>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>>> more than Henne II.
>>>>>>> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
>>>>>>> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly
>>>>>>> handled. If
>>>>>>> he does, this draft could be epic.
>>>>>>> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason
>>>>>>> shades,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of
>>>>>>> what this
>>>>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston
>>>>>>> off-guard
>>>>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>>>>>> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to
>>>>>>> play in
>>>>>>> the midday sun.)
>>>>>>> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded)
>>>>>>> forecast has
>>>>>>> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the
>>>>>>> rear.
>>>>>>> Valravn
>>>>>>> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
>>>>>> I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
>>>>>> interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example.
>>>>>> Blazing
>>>>>> speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
>>>>>> with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the
>>>>>> A-gap.
>>>>>> By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
>>>>>> sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
>>>>>> safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
>>>>>> thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could
>>>>>> be on
>>>>>> of the better ones in the NFL.
>>>>>> Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
>>>>>> both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
>>>>>> doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
>>>>>> with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
>>>>>> Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
>>>>>> things from Clay
>>>>>> (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
>>>>>> that his touches are limited).
>>>>>> For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game
>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>> Maybe one day, maybe not.
>>>>> That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage
>>>>> won't
>>>>> be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's
>>>>> experience,
>>>>> isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami
>>>>> gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> I will try to hold off on revealing just how overly optimistic I am
>>>> until we see some or all of these prospects in at least the
>>>> meaningless exhibition games of August. I can easily imagine all
>>>> sorts of things about Tannehill, Miller and The others. I was intigued
>>>> by the Miller pick as soon as I read about him the day he was
>>>> drafted. Terrific prospect.
>>>> I doubt anyone imagines the sort of weirdness that this season may
>>>> bring: It's not like there aren't huge surprises each and every year.
>>>> Once things happen, then they seem logical. Before that they are
>>>> nonsense. The sort of nonsense I am hoping for is way over due.
>>>> With my head in the clouds, I will hope that the Patriots finally hit
>>>> the wall, that Rex Ryan and that whole Jets Circus blows up like a
>>>> fireworks factory. I will hope that Philbin turns out to be just the
>>>> sort of level-headed and unassuming guy that the Dolphins clearly need
>>>> and that somehow Ireland has pulled out a minor miracle with his 2012
>>>> choices.
>>>> It has simply been way too long since the Dolphins really mattered.
>>> For perspective, Valravn started out with his opinion of some rookies he
>>> thinks 'should' (he was careful not to be blindly optimistic) do well.
>>> I think most of us like the same people he does, although I know little
>>> about Egnew. My response was to name a few already in Miami who
>>> 'should' do well.
>>> I think both of us know reality rarely matches hope so I expect tweaks
>>> to the list by end of August. Nonetheless, Miller and Martin, IMO,
>>> garner the most realistic optimism of the rookies and I still expect
>>> good years from Wilson, Clay, and Thomas. Not 'imagination.' There is
>>> some evidence to justify the optimism. OTOH, if you or someone else
>>> starts a thread on players who may disappoint (e.g., Clemons), I'll add
>>> my opinion to that as well.
>>> Not mentioned, but in my mind, three obvious changes I think could be
>>> important in 2012. 1) Sparano/Henning are gone. That, by itself,
>>> should add 7-10 points to each game. I am almost giddy with
>>> anticipation of quick slants, check-offs, and an up-tempo O like a REAL
>>> NFL O has. Does that guarantee high-scoring? Nope, but their absence
>>> HAS to help. 2) Colombo is gone - nuf said. 3) A faster start by the
>>> D. I have no exhibit A to justify this but I expect a better pass rush
>>> in the 1st few games than the nonexistent type we saw last year, and I
>>> doubt Dansby will start the season in the condition we saw early last
>>> year.
>>> I agree, the world looks different in pads and 11-on-11. I also expect
>>> some bumps the 1st few games as everyone learns a new system. But there
>>> is no PW this year. No Wilford. No fear of the 3-point fist-pump.
>>> And, I hope, no addiction to dropping TD passes. We will see when the
>>> 'real' football starts. I expect, not surprisingly, some names quickly
>>> removed from the roster and some new faces over the summer. But for
>>> now, I see little that looks worse than last year.
>> WR looks worse to me.
> I can convince myself that isn't true. BM probably had more crucial
> drops/penalties than big plays. The key isn't the big ER, it is
> catches/YAC per team. How will that turn out? Dunno. Certainly, Miami
> needs 1-2 guys who can draw a double-team and I don't see that, so in
> that case, I agree.
> I dont think you need the 1-2 guys to draw double teams at WR in the
> new offense. You need to create mismatches. If Hartline and Bess catch
> everything thrown their way, and Gates can stretch the coverage (whether
> thrown to or not) that leaves Bush, Clay, Miller, Fasano, and or Egnew
> covered by a LB. That should work. Well. Especially with the time to
> throw that this OL should provide now that Columbo is gone and Long is
> healthy.
> Valravn
> Valravn
I will concede an alpha-WR requiring double-team isn't critical but it seems to me most WCO's have 1-2 guys who demand attention (e.g., Welker) and defenders in that area always seem to 'lean' towards him. And for an O that spread the ball 'equally' to all WR's, GB had 3 guys clearly more equal than the others. To be fair, there are a few reasons for that, but one must conclude those 3 were apparently able to get open (and attention) a lot.
You are right about mismatches and right that Miami appears to have some explosive guys. I maintain 1-3 of these guys need to be the more equal of the rest - demanding coverage by the D's best (I'll avoid 'double-team') - to get mismatches elsewhere. True, if all WR's can create mismatches anywhere my, argument is in vain, but I know of no team with 6-8 WRs who can create mismatches on their own.
>>>>>>> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat
>>>>>>> Devlin
>>>>>>> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
>>>>>>> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well
>>>>>>> be the
>>>>>>> steal of the draft.
>>>>>>> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by
>>>>>>> whether or
>>>>>>> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
>>>>>>> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both
>>>>>>> prove to
>>>>>>> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft
>>>>>>> position
>>>>>>> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have
>>>>>>> High hopes
>>>>>>> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
>>>>>>> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never
>>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>>> more than Henne II.
>>>>>>> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
>>>>>>> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly
>>>>>>> handled. If
>>>>>>> he does, this draft could be epic.
>>>>>>> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason
>>>>>>> shades,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of
>>>>>>> what this
>>>>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston
>>>>>>> off-guard
>>>>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>>>>>> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to
>>>>>>> play in
>>>>>>> the midday sun.)
>>>>>>> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded)
>>>>>>> forecast has
>>>>>>> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the
>>>>>>> rear.
>>>>>>> Valravn
>>>>>>> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
>>>>>> I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
>>>>>> interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example.
>>>>>> Blazing
>>>>>> speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
>>>>>> with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the
>>>>>> A-gap.
>>>>>> By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
>>>>>> sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
>>>>>> safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
>>>>>> thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could
>>>>>> be on
>>>>>> of the better ones in the NFL.
>>>>>> Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
>>>>>> both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
>>>>>> doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
>>>>>> with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
>>>>>> Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
>>>>>> things from Clay
>>>>>> (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
>>>>>> that his touches are limited).
>>>>>> For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game
>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>> Maybe one day, maybe not.
>>>>> That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage
>>>>> won't
>>>>> be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's
>>>>> experience,
>>>>> isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami
>>>>> gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> I will try to hold off on revealing just how overly optimistic I am
>>>> until we see some or all of these prospects in at least the
>>>> meaningless exhibition games of August. I can easily imagine all
>>>> sorts of things about Tannehill, Miller and The others. I was intigued
>>>> by the Miller pick as soon as I read about him the day he was
>>>> drafted. Terrific prospect.
>>>> I doubt anyone imagines the sort of weirdness that this season may
>>>> bring: It's not like there aren't huge surprises each and every year.
>>>> Once things happen, then they seem logical. Before that they are
>>>> nonsense. The sort of nonsense I am hoping for is way over due.
>>>> With my head in the clouds, I will hope that the Patriots finally hit
>>>> the wall, that Rex Ryan and that whole Jets Circus blows up like a
>>>> fireworks factory. I will hope that Philbin turns out to be just the
>>>> sort of level-headed and unassuming guy that the Dolphins clearly need
>>>> and that somehow Ireland has pulled out a minor miracle with his 2012
>>>> choices.
>>>> It has simply been way too long since the Dolphins really mattered.
>>> For perspective, Valravn started out with his opinion of some rookies he
>>> thinks 'should' (he was careful not to be blindly optimistic) do well.
>>> I think most of us like the same people he does, although I know little
>>> about Egnew. My response was to name a few already in Miami who
>>> 'should' do well.
>>> I think both of us know reality rarely matches hope so I expect tweaks
>>> to the list by end of August. Nonetheless, Miller and Martin, IMO,
>>> garner the most realistic optimism of the rookies and I still expect
>>> good years from Wilson, Clay, and Thomas. Not 'imagination.' There is
>>> some evidence to justify the optimism. OTOH, if you or someone else
>>> starts a thread on players who may disappoint (e.g., Clemons), I'll add
>>> my opinion to that as well.
>>> Not mentioned, but in my mind, three obvious changes I think could be
>>> important in 2012. 1) Sparano/Henning are gone. That, by itself,
>>> should add 7-10 points to each game. I am almost giddy with
>>> anticipation of quick slants, check-offs, and an up-tempo O like a REAL
>>> NFL O has. Does that guarantee high-scoring? Nope, but their absence
>>> HAS to help. 2) Colombo is gone - nuf said. 3) A faster start by the
>>> D. I have no exhibit A to justify this but I expect a better pass rush
>>> in the 1st few games than the nonexistent type we saw last year, and I
>>> doubt Dansby will start the season in the condition we saw early last
>>> year.
>>> I agree, the world looks different in pads and 11-on-11. I also expect
>>> some bumps the 1st few games as everyone learns a new system. But there
>>> is no PW this year. No Wilford. No fear of the 3-point fist-pump.
>>> And, I hope, no addiction to dropping TD passes. We will see when the
>>> 'real' football starts. I expect, not surprisingly, some names quickly
>>> removed from the roster and some new faces over the summer. But for
>>> now, I see little that looks worse than last year.
>> WR looks worse to me.
> I can convince myself that isn't true. BM probably had more crucial
> drops/penalties than big plays. The key isn't the big ER, it is
> catches/YAC per team. How will that turn out? Dunno. Certainly, Miami
> needs 1-2 guys who can draw a double-team and I don't see that, so in
> that case, I agree.
> I dont think you need the 1-2 guys to draw double teams at WR in the
> new offense. You need to create mismatches. If Hartline and Bess catch
> everything thrown their way, and Gates can stretch the coverage (whether
> thrown to or not) that leaves Bush, Clay, Miller, Fasano, and or Egnew
> covered by a LB. That should work. Well. Especially with the time to
> throw that this OL should provide now that Columbo is gone and Long is
> healthy.
> Valravn
> Valravn
I will concede an alpha-WR requiring double-team isn't critical but it
seems to me most WCO's have 1-2 guys who demand attention (e.g., Welker)
and defenders in that area always seem to 'lean' towards him. And for
an O that spread the ball 'equally' to all WR's, GB had 3 guys clearly
more equal than the others. To be fair, there are a few reasons for
that, but one must conclude those 3 were apparently able to get open
(and attention) a lot.
You are right about mismatches and right that Miami appears to have some
explosive guys. I maintain 1-3 of these guys need to be the more equal
of the rest - demanding coverage by the D's best (I'll avoid
'double-team') - to get mismatches elsewhere. True, if all WR's can
create mismatches anywhere my, argument is in vain, but I know of no
team with 6-8 WRs who can create mismatches on their own.
I like Welker a lot. Always have. I don't think he falls into the category of being able to create mismatches on his own. He can be completely contained, but for other teams having to worry about, Moss, or later, Gronkowski/Hernandez. Frankly, I see Bess as a little faster Welker who has only lacked the opportunity to catch passes from Brady.
I think the mismatches are created by the gameplan and the matchups inherent in the opposing defensive scheme/personnel.
My fantasy football experience tells me there are a couple of teams that
...
>>>>>>> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat
>>>>>>> Devlin
>>>>>>> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and it's
>>>>>>> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well
>>>>>>> be the
>>>>>>> steal of the draft.
>>>>>>> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by
>>>>>>> whether or
>>>>>>> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
>>>>>>> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both
>>>>>>> prove to
>>>>>>> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft
>>>>>>> position
>>>>>>> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have
>>>>>>> High hopes
>>>>>>> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
>>>>>>> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never
>>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>>> more than Henne II.
>>>>>>> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see Tannehill to
>>>>>>> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly
>>>>>>> handled. If
>>>>>>> he does, this draft could be epic.
>>>>>>> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason
>>>>>>> shades,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of
>>>>>>> what this
>>>>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston
>>>>>>> off-guard
>>>>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>>>>>> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to
>>>>>>> play in
>>>>>>> the midday sun.)
>>>>>>> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded)
>>>>>>> forecast has
>>>>>>> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the
>>>>>>> rear.
>>>>>>> Valravn
>>>>>>> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
>>>>>> I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
>>>>>> interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example.
>>>>>> Blazing
>>>>>> speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
>>>>>> with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the
>>>>>> A-gap.
>>>>>> By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
>>>>>> sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
>>>>>> safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he should
>>>>>> thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could
>>>>>> be on
>>>>>> of the better ones in the NFL.
>>>>>> Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
>>>>>> both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
>>>>>> doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he was
>>>>>> with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
>>>>>> Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
>>>>>> things from Clay
>>>>>> (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
>>>>>> that his touches are limited).
>>>>>> For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game
>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>> Maybe one day, maybe not.
>>>>> That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage
>>>>> won't
>>>>> be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's
>>>>> experience,
>>>>> isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami
>>>>> gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> I will try to hold off on revealing just how overly optimistic I am
>>>> until we see some or all of these prospects in at least the
>>>> meaningless exhibition games of August. I can easily imagine all
>>>> sorts of things about Tannehill, Miller and The others. I was intigued
>>>> by the Miller pick as soon as I read about him the day he was
>>>> drafted. Terrific prospect.
>>>> I doubt anyone imagines the sort of weirdness that this season may
>>>> bring: It's not like there aren't huge surprises each and every year.
>>>> Once things happen, then they seem logical. Before that they are
>>>> nonsense. The sort of nonsense I am hoping for is way over due.
>>>> With my head in the clouds, I will hope that the Patriots finally hit
>>>> the wall, that Rex Ryan and that whole Jets Circus blows up like a
>>>> fireworks factory. I will hope that Philbin turns out to be just the
>>>> sort of level-headed and unassuming guy that the Dolphins clearly need
>>>> and that somehow Ireland has pulled out a minor miracle with his 2012
>>>> choices.
>>>> It has simply been way too long since the Dolphins really mattered.
>>> For perspective, Valravn started out with his opinion of some rookies he
>>> thinks 'should' (he was careful not to be blindly optimistic) do well.
>>> I think most of us like the same people he does, although I know little
>>> about Egnew. My response was to name a few already in Miami who
>>> 'should' do well.
>>> I think both of us know reality rarely matches hope so I expect tweaks
>>> to the list by end of August. Nonetheless, Miller and Martin, IMO,
>>> garner the most realistic optimism of the rookies and I still expect
>>> good years from Wilson, Clay, and Thomas. Not 'imagination.' There is
>>> some evidence to justify the optimism. OTOH, if you or someone else
>>> starts a thread on players who may disappoint (e.g., Clemons), I'll add
>>> my opinion to that as well.
>>> Not mentioned, but in my mind, three obvious changes I think could be
>>> important in 2012. 1) Sparano/Henning are gone. That, by itself,
>>> should add 7-10 points to each game. I am almost giddy with
>>> anticipation of quick slants, check-offs, and an up-tempo O like a REAL
>>> NFL O has. Does that guarantee high-scoring? Nope, but their absence
>>> HAS to help. 2) Colombo is gone - nuf said. 3) A faster start by the
>>> D. I have no exhibit A to justify this but I expect a better pass rush
>>> in the 1st few games than the nonexistent type we saw last year, and I
>>> doubt Dansby will start the season in the condition we saw early last
>>> year.
>>> I agree, the world looks different in pads and 11-on-11. I also expect
>>> some bumps the 1st few games as everyone learns a new system. But there
>>> is no PW this year. No Wilford. No fear of the 3-point fist-pump.
>>> And, I hope, no addiction to dropping TD passes. We will see when the
>>> 'real' football starts. I expect, not surprisingly, some names quickly
>>> removed from the roster and some new faces over the summer. But for
>>> now, I see little that looks worse than last year.
>> WR looks worse to me.
> I can convince myself that isn't true. BM probably had more crucial
> drops/penalties than big plays. The key isn't the big ER, it is
> catches/YAC per team. How will that turn out? Dunno. Certainly, Miami
> needs 1-2 guys who can draw a double-team and I don't see that, so in
> that case, I agree.
> I dont think you need the 1-2 guys to draw double teams at WR in the
> new offense. You need to create mismatches. If Hartline and Bess catch
> everything thrown their way, and Gates can stretch the coverage (whether
> thrown to or not) that leaves Bush, Clay, Miller, Fasano, and or Egnew
> covered by a LB. That should work. Well. Especially with the time to
> throw that this OL should provide now that Columbo is gone and Long is
> healthy.
> Valravn
> Valravn
I will concede an alpha-WR requiring double-team isn't critical but it
seems to me most WCO's have 1-2 guys who demand attention (e.g., Welker)
and defenders in that area always seem to 'lean' towards him. And for
an O that spread the ball 'equally' to all WR's, GB had 3 guys clearly
more equal than the others. To be fair, there are a few reasons for
that, but one must conclude those 3 were apparently able to get open
(and attention) a lot.
You are right about mismatches and right that Miami appears to have some
explosive guys. I maintain 1-3 of these guys need to be the more equal
of the rest - demanding coverage by the D's best (I'll avoid
'double-team') - to get mismatches elsewhere. True, if all WR's can
create mismatches anywhere my, argument is in vain, but I know of no
team with 6-8 WRs who can create mismatches on their own.
I like Welker a lot. Always have. I don't think he falls into the category
of being able to create mismatches on his own. He can be completely
contained, but for other teams having to worry about, Moss, or later,
Gronkowski/Hernandez. Frankly, I see Bess as a little faster Welker who has
only lacked the opportunity to catch passes from Brady.
I think the mismatches are created by the gameplan and the matchups inherent
in the opposing defensive scheme/personnel.
My
...
>>>>>>>> Lamar Miller made another nifty play, taking a screen from Pat
>>>>>>>> Devlin
>>>>>>>> for a score. Miller often stands out when he gets the ball, and
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> clear coaches will need to carve out a role for him as a rookie.
>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to good things from Miller - he may very well
>>>>>>>> be the
>>>>>>>> steal of the draft.
>>>>>>>> Others have said that this draft will ultimately be judged by
>>>>>>>> whether or
>>>>>>>> not Tannehill becomes the franchise QB the Dolphins have so sorely
>>>>>>>> lacked. I like many of the picks, Miller and Martin should both
>>>>>>>> prove to
>>>>>>>> be upper tier players, both at bargain rates in terms of draft
>>>>>>>> position
>>>>>>>> and consequently resulting salaries under the new CBA. I have
>>>>>>>> High hopes
>>>>>>>> for Vernon and maybe Egnew. If those four work out as well as they
>>>>>>>> could, this would be a successful draft even if Tannehill never
>>>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>>>> more than Henne II.
>>>>>>>> That said, with fingers firmly crossed, I'd love to see
>>>>>>>> Tannehill to
>>>>>>>> become the guy and see no reason why he couldnt if properly
>>>>>>>> handled. If
>>>>>>>> he does, this draft could be epic.
>>>>>>>> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah hope springs eternal, aqua colored preseason
>>>>>>>> shades,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls. I see 9-7 as the low end of
>>>>>>>> what this
>>>>>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston
>>>>>>>> off-guard
>>>>>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>>>>>>> (This could turn out to be a freakishly light schedule again and
>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>> the Raiders dont suck, they have to travel across country to
>>>>>>>> play in
>>>>>>>> the midday sun.)
>>>>>>>> I'll go even one further. My fearless (entirely unfounded)
>>>>>>>> forecast has
>>>>>>>> the Dolphins and the Bill's battling for second place in the AFCE
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> maybe a wildcard spot with the Jets imploding and pulling up the
>>>>>>>> rear.
>>>>>>>> Valravn
>>>>>>>> As usual, I read a lot more than post - I hate to type.
>>>>>>> I will not disagree, but I would like to add a little. I'm also
>>>>>>> interested in players already on the team. Gates, for example.
>>>>>>> Blazing
>>>>>>> speed. If he can learn the NFL game, he could be dangerous. Thomas -
>>>>>>> with Henning gone, I hope we see more than Thomas running in the
>>>>>>> A-gap.
>>>>>>> By game 3-4 every D knew they didn't have to worry about him in a
>>>>>>> sweep or off-tackle, thus, often he was in traffic before he could
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> to LOS. And if he is healthy, even better. Wilson - if he gets a
>>>>>>> safety spot, he could be a QBs nightmare. Clay - in the WCO he
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> thrive. And if Jerry or whoever become solid at RG, the OL could
>>>>>>> be on
>>>>>>> of the better ones in the NFL.
>>>>>>> Downside? Already seeing some mysterious injuries. A new scheme on
>>>>>>> both sides of the ball. No proven quality WRs. (Yes, I know Philbin
>>>>>>> doesn't believe in the importance of top WRs. Easy to say when he
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> with a team that had good WRs and an all-pro QB).
>>>>>>> Of those you mentioned, I too like Wilson's upside and expect bigger
>>>>>>> things from Clay
>>>>>>> (unless one of the dozens of other new TE prospects steps up so much
>>>>>>> that his touches are limited).
>>>>>>> For all his speed, Gates doesnt seem to be figuring out the game
>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>> Maybe one day, maybe not.
>>>>>> That, plus Miami has 1-2 other speedsters, so his speed advantage
>>>>>> won't
>>>>>> be unique this year. I picked Gates because he has a year's
>>>>>> experience,
>>>>>> isn't afraid of contact, and showed some nice moves. As long as Miami
>>>>>> gets at least ONE speed guy, I'll take it.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> I will try to hold off on revealing just how overly optimistic I am
>>>>> until we see some or all of these prospects in at least the
>>>>> meaningless exhibition games of August. I can easily imagine all
>>>>> sorts of things about Tannehill, Miller and The others. I was intigued
>>>>> by the Miller pick as soon as I read about him the day he was
>>>>> drafted. Terrific prospect.
>>>>> I doubt anyone imagines the sort of weirdness that this season may
>>>>> bring: It's not like there aren't huge surprises each and every year.
>>>>> Once things happen, then they seem logical. Before that they are
>>>>> nonsense. The sort of nonsense I am hoping for is way over due.
>>>>> With my head in the clouds, I will hope that the Patriots finally hit
>>>>> the wall, that Rex Ryan and that whole Jets Circus blows up like a
>>>>> fireworks factory. I will hope that Philbin turns out to be just the
>>>>> sort of level-headed and unassuming guy that the Dolphins clearly need
>>>>> and that somehow Ireland has pulled out a minor miracle with his 2012
>>>>> choices.
>>>>> It has simply been way too long since the Dolphins really mattered.
>>>> For perspective, Valravn started out with his opinion of some
>>>> rookies he
>>>> thinks 'should' (he was careful not to be blindly optimistic) do well.
>>>> I think most of us like the same people he does, although I know little
>>>> about Egnew. My response was to name a few already in Miami who
>>>> 'should' do well.
>>>> I think both of us know reality rarely matches hope so I expect tweaks
>>>> to the list by end of August. Nonetheless, Miller and Martin, IMO,
>>>> garner the most realistic optimism of the rookies and I still expect
>>>> good years from Wilson, Clay, and Thomas. Not 'imagination.' There is
>>>> some evidence to justify the optimism. OTOH, if you or someone else
>>>> starts a thread on players who may disappoint (e.g., Clemons), I'll add
>>>> my opinion to that as well.
>>>> Not mentioned, but in my mind, three obvious changes I think could be
>>>> important in 2012. 1) Sparano/Henning are gone. That, by itself,
>>>> should add 7-10 points to each game. I am almost giddy with
>>>> anticipation of quick slants, check-offs, and an up-tempo O like a REAL
>>>> NFL O has. Does that guarantee high-scoring? Nope, but their absence
>>>> HAS to help. 2) Colombo is gone - nuf said. 3) A faster start by the
>>>> D. I have no exhibit A to justify this but I expect a better pass rush
>>>> in the 1st few games than the nonexistent type we saw last year, and I
>>>> doubt Dansby will start the season in the condition we saw early last
>>>> year.
>>>> I agree, the world looks different in pads and 11-on-11. I also expect
>>>> some bumps the 1st few games as everyone learns a new system. But there
>>>> is no PW this year. No Wilford. No fear of the 3-point fist-pump.
>>>> And, I hope, no addiction to dropping TD passes. We will see when the
>>>> 'real' football starts. I expect, not surprisingly, some names quickly
>>>> removed from the roster and some new faces over the summer. But for
>>>> now, I see little that looks worse than last year.
>>> WR looks worse to me.
>> I can convince myself that isn't true. BM probably had more crucial
>> drops/penalties than big plays. The key isn't the big ER, it is
>> catches/YAC per team. How will that turn out? Dunno. Certainly, Miami
>> needs 1-2 guys who can draw a double-team and I don't see that, so in
>> that case, I agree.
>> I dont think you need the 1-2 guys to draw double teams at WR in the
>> new offense. You need to create mismatches. If Hartline and Bess catch
>> everything thrown their way, and Gates can stretch the coverage (whether
>> thrown to or not) that leaves Bush, Clay, Miller, Fasano, and or Egnew
>> covered by a LB. That should work. Well. Especially with the time to
>> throw that this OL should provide now that Columbo is gone and Long is
>> healthy.
>> Valravn
>> Valravn
> I will concede an alpha-WR requiring double-team isn't critical but it
> seems to me most WCO's have 1-2 guys who demand attention (e.g., Welker)
> and defenders in that area always seem to 'lean' towards him. And for
> an O that spread the ball 'equally' to all WR's, GB had 3 guys clearly
> more equal than the others. To be fair, there are a few reasons for
> that, but one must conclude those 3 were apparently able to get open
> (and attention) a lot.
> You are right about mismatches and right that Miami appears to have some
> explosive guys. I maintain 1-3 of these guys need to be the more equal
> of the rest - demanding coverage by the D's best (I'll avoid
> 'double-team') - to get mismatches elsewhere. True, if all WR's can
> create mismatches anywhere my, argument is in vain, but I know of no
> team with 6-8 WRs who can create mismatches on their own.
> I like Welker a lot. Always have. I don't think he falls into the
> category of being able to create mismatches on his own. He can be
> completely contained, but for other teams having to worry about, Moss,
> or later, Gronkowski/Hernandez. Frankly, I see Bess as a
> I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
> with the new look and finally steal one.
6-10 wont shock me. That's the low end. 9-7 would please me.
>> I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
>> with the new look and finally steal one.
> 6-10 wont shock me. That's the low end. 9-7 would please me.
Sorry - OT but every time I hear the name "Lamar" I remember the kid throwing the javelin designed for limp-wristed throwing in "Revenge of the Nerds"... :)
> >> I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
> >> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
> >> with the new look and finally steal one.
> > 6-10 wont shock me. That's the low end. 9-7 would please me.
> Sorry - OT but every time I hear the name "Lamar" I remember the kid
> throwing the javelin designed for limp-wristed throwing in "Revenge of
> the Nerds"... :)
Really? That seems rather obscure...
What I think of when I hear "Lamar" is a Dolphin player carrying
tacklers on his back and into the endzone. I believe I'm thinking of
Lamar Smith and his ironman performance in a playoff game against
Seattle(?).
> On Jun 7, 7:49 am, IYM<"S U N riser"@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On 6/7/2012 1:33 AM, Jimmy July wrote:
>>> On 5/30/2012 9:01 PM, Valravn wrote:
>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls.
>>> Oh, HEY, that's obviously MY cue.
>>>> I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>> 6-10 wont shock me. That's the low end. 9-7 would please me.
>> Sorry - OT but every time I hear the name "Lamar" I remember the kid
>> throwing the javelin designed for limp-wristed throwing in "Revenge of
>> the Nerds"... :)
> Really? That seems rather obscure...
> What I think of when I hear "Lamar" is a Dolphin player carrying
> tacklers on his back and into the endzone. I believe I'm thinking of
> Lamar Smith and his ironman performance in a playoff game against
> Seattle(?).
Indy. The last time the Dolphins won a playoff game.
<euphem...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 7:49 am, IYM <"S U N riser"@optonline.net> wrote:
> > On 6/7/2012 1:33 AM, Jimmy July wrote:
> > > On 5/30/2012 9:01 PM, Valravn wrote:
> > >> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls.
> > > Oh, HEY, that's obviously MY cue.
> > >> I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
> > >> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
> > >> with the new look and finally steal one.
> > > 6-10 wont shock me. That's the low end. 9-7 would please me.
> > Sorry - OT but every time I hear the name "Lamar" I remember the kid
> > throwing the javelin designed for limp-wristed throwing in "Revenge of
> > the Nerds"... :)
> Really? That seems rather obscure...
> What I think of when I hear "Lamar" is a Dolphin player carrying
> tacklers on his back and into the endzone. I believe I'm thinking of
> Lamar Smith and his ironman performance in a playoff game against
> Seattle(?).
Lamar got so beat up for his trouble in that game, he could barely
walk the following week.
> <euphem...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 7:49 am, IYM <"S U N riser"@optonline.net> wrote:
> > > On 6/7/2012 1:33 AM, Jimmy July wrote:
> > > > On 5/30/2012 9:01 PM, Valravn wrote:
> > > >> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls.
> > > > Oh, HEY, that's obviously MY cue.
> > > >> I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
> > > >> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
> > > >> with the new look and finally steal one.
> > > > 6-10 wont shock me. That's the low end. 9-7 would please me.
> > > Sorry - OT but every time I hear the name "Lamar" I remember the kid
> > > throwing the javelin designed for limp-wristed throwing in "Revenge of
> > > the Nerds"... :)
> > Really? That seems rather obscure...
> > What I think of when I hear "Lamar" is a Dolphin player carrying
> > tacklers on his back and into the endzone. I believe I'm thinking of
> > Lamar Smith and his ironman performance in a playoff game against
> > Seattle(?).
> Lamar got so beat up for his trouble in that game, he could barely
> walk the following week.
> Terry Gowan
Yep, we stunk it up against the Raiders 0-27. Wannstedt finally found
his stride. We were so bad that game, 200 yards from Lamar wouldn't
have been enough as we would have turned it over before scoring.
Lamar's TD was the second coolest/loudest thing I ever saw in person
at JRS. #1 was the 4th and 5, 3:09 remaining in Q4, down by 3, TD
bomb, #13 to Fryar, wrapping up a 473 yd/ 5 TD day by Marino in his
first game back after the Achilles tear. ...when the sportswriters
were calling for Dan to hang it up and to ride the Scott Mitchell
express....
But I digress.
Here is a TERRIBLE, but funny, youtube link to the final minutes of
our last playoff victory. Lamar's final gallop starts around 4:50,
but there is enough funny stuff to make the entire video NEARLY
watchable...
> On Jun 7, 7:49 am, IYM<"S U N riser"@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On 6/7/2012 1:33 AM, Jimmy July wrote:
>>> On 5/30/2012 9:01 PM, Valravn wrote:
>>>> Now, I'll invite the idiot trolls.
>>> Oh, HEY, that's obviously MY cue.
>>>> I see 9-7 as the low end of what this
>>>> team should do this year. Maybe 11-5 if they can catch Houston off-guard
>>>> with the new look and finally steal one.
>>> 6-10 wont shock me. That's the low end. 9-7 would please me.
>> Sorry - OT but every time I hear the name "Lamar" I remember the kid
>> throwing the javelin designed for limp-wristed throwing in "Revenge of
>> the Nerds"... :)
> Really? That seems rather obscure...
> What I think of when I hear "Lamar" is a Dolphin player carrying
> tacklers on his back and into the endzone. I believe I'm thinking of
> Lamar Smith and his ironman performance in a playoff game against
> Seattle(?).
Really! Lamar Smith was pretty awesome. Sammy Smith cost a first round pick and did NOTHING. Lamar Smith carried the team for a year and cost pocket change.
